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Re: [opensuse] A novice's perspective: .deb and .rpm
by AP 05 Oct '13

05 Oct '13

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > YOU shows only patches, while "zypper up" shows also newer RPM versions > in configured repositories. On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote: > YOU does the equivalent of "zypper patch". To do the equivalent of "zypper > up" in YaST package manager (qt version) you right-click on the list of > packages, and select all tin this list update if newer. YOU probably means Yast. Means Yast updates the currently installed things (which is in the system), while 'zypper up' installs the newer version(s), if available to those applications which are already present in the system. Is it like this? On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Doug <dmcgarrett(a)optonline.net> wrote: > PCLinuxOS uses the RPM system, and Synaptic for the installer. Simple: > Select the program from the list, click on it, select install and apply, > and Bob's your uncle! (You never even see the raw rpm file.) Yes, that's correct but here, in PCLinuxOS which you quote, what is working equivalent to 'zypper in openSUSE'? Thanks. -- Life and death. At some point we're gonna leave this world. Do I know when? Absolutely not. --- Terrell Owens Just I dislike pain, so all other beings dislike pain. Don't kill any living beings. --- Mahaveer Swami -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] A novice's perspective: .deb and .rpm
by AP 05 Oct '13

05 Oct '13

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > On 2013-10-05 13:31 (GMT+0530) AP composed: >> ...what is the difference between 'zypper' and 'rpm'? > Rpm is rather like a GM drive train (engine, transmission, wheels, axles). > Zypper is like a body (sheet metal, controls, seats, stereo, trunk) wrapped > around the drive train (e.g. Chevrolet) that enables the drive train to be > both friendly and useful. There are other bodies for Rpm, such as Yum (e.g. > Buick) and Urpmi (e.g. Cadillac). But one doubt is that in openSUSE 12.2 (which I have installed), when I updated from Yast (after entering the root password), I was able to udpate the system and it more required any change (since it was fully updated to the latest). I opened the terminal and typed 'su' and became root. Now I typed 'zypper up' and a wonder, it was saying around 126 MBs of updation required. What this update was about which Yast was not able to do? Thanks. -- Life and death. At some point we're gonna leave this world. Do I know when? Absolutely not. --- Terrell Owens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Re: A novice's perspective: .deb and .rpm
by AP 05 Oct '13

05 Oct '13

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Haller <dnh(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > Have a look at the output of above 'rpm' command. The history that is > available under "Extras" is not as useful, IMO, esp. it does not show > any packages you installed/removed directly with rpm (which I often > do, a 'rpm -e foo' is much faster than 'zypper rm foo' Okay thanks but what is the difference between 'zypper' and 'rpm'? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Missing key on Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E430
by Marcos Mello 05 Oct '13

05 Oct '13

Hi list, I installed openSUSE 12.3 on a Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E430 from Brazil (pt-br keyboard) and the "/?" key does not work. So far I just did a BIOS update to the latest version 2.54 but no luck :( It needs a quirk even with Windows: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/diagnose-and-fix/detail.page?DocID=HT037686 Any help appreciated. -- Marcos -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Re: A novice's perspective: .deb and .rpm
by AP 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:25 PM, David Haller <dnh(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > Not at all. It's the same concept. > Created and packaged slightly differently. Compare .msi vs. .exe or > rather .msi vs. .cab in the Winders world ... (as the .exe brings the > installer (often InstallShield (-> see "rpm" and "dpkg" the programs)) > along with it and .msi, .cab, .rpm, .deb do not). > > In the winders world, you'd get a "install.exe" or "setup.exe" along > with that .cab files (with .msi it's in the system just like with > .rpm/.deb you use rpm/dpkg, it comes with the system). Usually though, > you do not use rpm/dpkg directly, but use frontends like apt-get, > aptitude, zypper, yast, yum, .... (but there is a lot of nifty stuff > you can do that the frontends can't). As you ask here and opensuse > uses RPM, try finding the equivalent to even the very simple > rpm -qa --last | less > with any frontend. AFAIK: neither yast nor zypper can do that. > But why should they reimplement a feature that is already implemented > just fine in rpm? Yes, a sort of "shim" just calling rpm and > displaying the output would be nice, but, ah, let's say, stuff like > that is not a priority ;) Can you please explain this para? The rest I understood and got the idea... > Ok, now, for you to help understand that rpm vs. deb more clearly: > > Think of a program. > That program consists of a set of files that use other files > (libraries) that have to match. > You don't have to worry about that though, that what those > packagemanagers (rpm, dpkg etc.) are supposed to handle for you. > Ok, so, you got a bunch of files need some libs in some version each. > What now. You bundle them up. And add to the bundle what libs are > needed for the program to run. > How you actually bundle and "add" the dependencies is rather > irrelevant. Same job. But there have emerged 3 main ways to do it. > DEB, RPM and PKG/Ports (aka tarballs, forget about that for now > again). > The job? Well: > bundle the files: > /usr/bin/foo > /usr/lib64/libfoo.so.0 > in some kind of archive, e.g. tar (as .deb does) or cpio (as rpm > does). Now comes the hard part, the dependencies: /usr/bin/foo needs > some libglib-2.0.so.0 and libfoo needs that _and_ some libbar.so.0. We > want, that you are notified to install those libs if not already > installed. So we add something to the .deb/.rpm (in whatever way, how > is irrelevant (deb uses an extra tarball, rpm a header)) to tell the > installer (dpkg/rpm) to also install whatever provides us with > libglib-2.0.so.0 and whatever gives us libbar.so.0. > If you use dpkg/rpm directly, they will tell you just that you need to > install libglib... and libbar first. > If you use a frontend like apt-get, aptitude, zypper, yast, yum, etc., > the will automatically select the packages providing those two > libraries (and _their_ dependencies as well). > So, basically, your question sums up to something this: > Should I put my resumee in a black or a blue folder? Staple or bind > it? And what's the difference between the black and the blue? > Does the _CONTENT_ of your resumee differ in any way depending on what > coloured-folder you put it? Whether you stapled it together or bound > it in some other way? > Does it change the _content_, if you wrap your gift for your loved > ones in blue, green or red for christmas? It changes the outside, you > may have also have changed the stuff for the ribbons. But as much as > you may change ribbon-material and other packaging, it does not change > the content. > Think of .deb as "stapled and blue" and .rpm as "bound and black". Or > the other way around. It does not matter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] How to know why a server rebooted?
by Greg Freemyer 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

All, I'm running openSUSE 12.3 on a virtual server in the cloud. Yesterday it rebooted for some reason. I've looked in /var/log/messages and /var/log/warn and I done see a reason for the reboot. I didn't initiate it and the support team says they didn't do it. Is there somewhere else I should look? fyi: I've had this virtual server for a couple months and this is the first unexpected reboot. Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-offtopic] No Global Warming Facts, But There’s Still Global Warming
by Dirk Gently 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

Greg Freemyer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller(a)lightlink.com> wrote: >> The IPCC scientists are either the dumbest smart guys on earth or >> criminally negligent. It is the latter and they know it and don’t care. >> I’m certain of it. > > My understanding is that for AR5 they continued to focus on improving > the 20th century modeling and basically ignored the post 2000 > realities because they haven't yet figured out the forcings that would > cause a pause this long. Further the claim is they are still getting > a handle on the recent volcano and other forcing data, so they don't > want to use that period before the related forcing information > stabilizes. > > Given that the satellite instrument record is by far the best, their > ignoring the last 10 years of only a 35 year satellite record is > clearly negligence. My only question is if it is criminal negligence. > Obtaining money on the basis of false statements is fraud. Colluding with others (politicians) to raise more tax moneys, on the basis of false statements is conspiracy to commit fraud. They, and all of the politicians advocating a "carbon tax" ARE guilty of attempted fraud. > Greg > -- > Greg Freemyer > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Re: A novice's perspective: .deb and .rpm
by AP 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

This really seems a big story behind the two big and different (perhaps) scenarios - .deb and .rpm. The wikipedia link is great. I guess whole of the world's linux is categorized in either of these two categories. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote: > > On 2013-10-02 02:15, Jim Henderson wrote: > > On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:07:49 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote: > > > >> El 01/10/13 20:35, Jim Henderson escribió: > >> > >> > >>> My google-fu is failing me at the moment - can you point me to the > >>> project/RPM for this? > >> > >> I have no idea if such thing exists, I was just rambling about what > >> could be done in theory.. and yes I also wondered for a few minutes > >> after writing the email about the practical use-cases. > > > > Ah, I see - I thought you were saying this already existed. Would be > > cool if it did, that's for sure. :) > > If you want to extract a single file from an rpm, that's easy: 'mc' :-) > > Just browse to the rpm and hit "enter". You see the contents (there is > one directory for the metainfo). One of the virtual files may be a cpio > archive: "enter" on it opens that archive which contains the actual > files of the rpm. > > Is that what you want? :-) > > -- > Cheers / Saludos, > > Carlos E. R. > (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] What can be done about notifications...
by John Andersen 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

In KDE 4.11.2 I keep seeing notifications that are displayed with text that will not fit, and no way to expand the notification to see all of the text. Example screen shot here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35567349/Desktop-snapshot6.png Is there a setting for this? Is a bug report needed? -- Explain again the part about rm -rf / -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] famd impedes umounting devices.
by Carlos E. R. 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Look: Telcontar:~ # umount /data/hoard umount.nfs4: /data/hoard: device is busy Telcontar:~ # lsof /data/hoard lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs Output information may be incomplete. lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /var/run/user/1000/gvfs Output information may be incomplete. COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME famd 11203 cer 8r DIR 0,51 41 128 /data/hoard famd 11203 cer 10r DIR 0,51 18 131 /data/hoard/TheHoard famd 11203 cer 11r DIR 0,51 36 153 /data/hoard/Downloads.cer Telcontar:~ # rcfam restart redirecting to systemctl restart fam Telcontar:~ # umount /data/hoard Telcontar:~ # Why? I can not often umount external mounts because of that. In this case, it is an NFS mounted filesystem. Waiting does not work. There is no activity whatsoever on the mount, which has been mounted for hours. oS 12.3. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJLBZEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WfdQCeL6U5lAXX9ve6iKK/iyvVDvJP csAAn3bV4M2A3zoK7J20fh/gioG6cXw1 =9gJ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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