July 2012 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse] Laptop recommendation
by Lívio Cipriano 06 Aug '12

06 Aug '12

Hi, I want to buy a laptop, preference with 17" screen. Any recommendations(s)? Regards Lívio Cipriano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: Why bin & no bin64? => lets fix lib64=>lib, bin(32),lib(32)=>/usr32/{bin,lib}
by Linda Walsh 02 Aug '12

02 Aug '12

Nelson Marques wrote: > Ever heard of FHS? It's stands for Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. > > Enjoy the reading :) ---- It is based on really screwed up reasoning. Why was it accepted? Regardless, Suse doesn't follow it now, so why not move ahead with a more soundly reasoned solution. Seems a smart solution would be to use a separate file-system namespace with everything but the bin & lib directories being the same between 32&64 bit. Would provid transparency. Their rational .. that lib(X) is architecture dependent, also applies to /bin, yet they don't apply the same reasoning. ... more specifically under specific options, they also say: lib<qual> Alternate format essential shared libraries (optional) "Lib<qual>" is for an alternate format. Alternate to what? I would assert alternate format doesn't mean native format. And that on a X64 machine running an X64 kernel where x32 compatibility is *optional*, that it is 32-bit dirs that are optional. So the document is internally inconsistent besides being. ========= I think having a smart loader that virtualizes the arch-dependent dirs. To make it arch, blind, create a /usr64/{bin,lib}, then on any given machine, /usr/{bin,lib} can be mounts/links to the native binaries (/usr64 or /usr32...)... Rational -- their rational was based on 8 year old data when x86-32 packages out numbered x86-64 packages. Clearly that doesn't apply on a modern x86-64 bit system -- where it's better than 3:1 64-bit (linux certainly has taken the lead on this). Existing 32 bit binaries would almost never work on a 64 bit system -- you would need to have the same libraries installed.. Does suse support taking 32bit binaries from 2004 and installing them on a 2012-suse12.1 system? If not, the justification for this is negated. What they don't mention is that existing programs are rebuilt, often from sources, and will build with the defaults for that platform. That being the case, it would require modification of those programs to work if their lib path wasn't "/usr/lib". Supporting non-recompiled binaries from 8 or more years prior, I don't think has ever been supported. What were they thinking? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Buggy thunderbird 13?
by Carlos E. R. 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 With this "versionitis" of thunderbird, the program is in fact worse than ever. For example, twice I had the mouse pointer converted to a miniature page that I assume I have to drop at some folder for the operation to complete. But I can not drop the page anywhere! ESC does not work, and I retain that useless mouse pointer even if I go to an xterm. Clicking anywhere in the desktop does not work, not even outside Th. I have to alt-tab to an xterm, get the PID and kill thunderbird, using the keyboard, the mouse is dead till I kill Th. Another problem. Eventually, when syncing for off-network usage, it says that some operation did not complete because some folder is busy doing something else. I have to click ok and continue. This message is new. What on earth do I care the problems it finds? I want it to shut up and do its job as it always did. It doesn't even say what folder is busy and doing what and ordered by whom, so that I have a chance of killing that operation. Anybody else has seen this? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlALCnAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UHSQCghX8dU1/tmfnHIxKlWnkiD60+ TNUAn0ke2x8IZwA8wA3VGa50xtfiE1Al =ysai -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] How to submit bug reports that actually get to a package maintainer
by Wilfred van Velzen 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com> wrote: > When entering a bug, you only set SEverity - not Priority. > > Clicking on Severity gives: > https://bugzilla.novell.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity > > and below severity is priority: > "This field is utilized by the programmers/engineers to prioritize their > work to be done. " > > If you go from bugs.opensuse.org, you can find also this page: > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bug_definitions#Bug_Priorities > > Regarding importance, the importance links to a text field that explains > this as well. > > Yes, it's not well known but it's documented and some engineers work as > I explained. Ok, thanks for the explanation. Maybe only the 'Assignee' should be able to change the priority? (If that's practically possible) -- Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards, Wilfred van Velzen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] How to submit bug reports that actually get to a package maintainer
by Wilfred van Velzen 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

> >>On 2012-07-31 at 09:44, Marcus Meissner <meissner(a)suse.de> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote: > > Dear list members, > > > > I have read http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports > > on submitting bug reports. And about a year ago I submitted a bug report > > on a packaging bug in the ‘neverball’ package (official OSS repository), > > using the above guidelines: > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699124 > > > > This never got a reply, and it looks like the assignee (which was > > automatically selected by Bugzilla) is a person that haven’t worked > > on openSUSE for *many* years, and probably will never look at the bug > > report (since he’s now at Canonical). > > > > Since the official way of reporting bugs in packages (like this one) > > doesn’t work, who should I contact, or where should I submit packaging > > bug reports so that they get to people that actually are able to do > > anything about them? I’d be grateful for any advice. > > I assigned it someone else. > > You could look through the maintainers in the "games" repository where > neverball lives and mail them. > > Or this list. > > Or you can fix this yourself via OBs collaboration and do a submitrequest:) > > Ciao, Marcus I've reported a bug that got absolutely zero responses or activity. Didn't even get triaged yet in 2 months time... https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=764739 -- Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards, Wilfred van Velzen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] OpenSuse next version
by Hans de Faber 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

Hello Listmates, I am wondering that its soooo silent about the delay of the next release of OS. Yes I know RC1 is out,but thats all i know. No expectations about the releasedate, this month maybe next ? Maybe its because the hollyday season! The delay is a fact of life, the noncommunication is strange. I hope to get a sing of life, Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Logging in to wifi services
by Bob Williams 30 Jul '12

30 Jul '12

Many wifi services in hotels etc., require you to complete a username and password login on a webpage to access the service. The laptop wifi device will connect to the service, then when you try to load a page in your browser you are redirected to the login page. Once logged in, you can use email and other internet services. I have a dual boot Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop, running Windows Vista and openSUSE 12.1 with KDE 4.8.4. The above wifi login process works well on Windows, but I cannot get it working in openSUSE. I started by using the Network Manager plasmoid, but it wants the login username and password before it will establish the connection, whereas these are not required until you get redirected to the login screen in the web browser. Does anyone else have this problem, and if so, how do you deal with it? Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.1.10-1.16-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.8.4 (4.8.4) "release 511" Uptime: 06:00am up 1 day 9:15, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.08, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] using the standard dvd iso image(s) via usbkey usbstick?
by cagsm 30 Jul '12

30 Jul '12

I am uncertain about the current situation, but I used to write the .iso image in the past year or so via windows and the suse studio image writer to an empty usb key stick and then simply boot the system this way instead of writing the iso image to an empty dvd. I dont recall exactly where I had this instructions from but it simply worked. But when I read the wiki pages these days, then it apparently seems as if this iso image writing directly to the usb key was only supposed to be for the livesystem iso images, and one needed to use certain other additional tools like syslinux and something about hybrid and such stuff I dont fully understand yet. http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick#Bootable_USB_from_DVD_or_Net-install <http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick#Bootable_USB_from_DVD_or_Net-install> I am 100% certain that I tested opensuse 12.1 iso image directly written to usbkey in a simple unaltered way via the <https://github.com/downloads/openSUSE/kiwi/ImageWriter.exe> https://github.com/downloads/openSUSE/kiwi/ImageWriter.exe But I had trouble doing so with the recent 12.2 iso images. Has anything changed as of lately how these iso images get built and constructed by the opensuse developers and backends, or was I just lucky in the past that it simply worked and now not working any more? I also browsed through the bugreporting list archives of the recent months, and there seem a number of odd bugs talking about usb iso image not fully compatible and readable any more and about installation or related problems and people also asking in this direction. Any have some definitive answers to this? Is it sufficient to write the .iso image file as raw (sectors) to the usbkey via the suse studio image writer (suppose its similar as if dd would raw dump it to the usb key device from within linux). And whats the whole deal about hybrid, and syslinux and all these things mentioned in the wiki article that I posted above? I am somewhat seriously confused. Thanks for helping. Regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Generating debuginfo packages with rpmbuild
by mailing lists 30 Jul '12

30 Jul '12

Hello, I am having a hard time making debuginfo packages for an unsupported version of opensuse (11.3). The appropiate variables seems to be defined but no debug packages are being generated ¿? # rpm --eval %__debug_install_post --eval %optflags /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/" -O2 -g -m64 -fmessage-length=0 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables does anyone knows how to create such packages?? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so removed in last update?
by Linda Walsh 28 Jul '12

28 Jul '12

Anders Johansson wrote: > On Sunday 22 July 2012 16:54:56 Linda Walsh wrote: >> p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib64/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so > > The package was split. You need to install p11-kit-module-gnome-keyring. I'm > very surprised it wasn't installed automatically for you. It was on my > machine. > > Did you by any chance install the update using either rpm or "zypper up" > instead of "zypper patch" or yast online update? ---- It was auto-updated, I believe -- since I don't use it. Found it trying to do a prelink -a, ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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