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Re: [opensuse] Moving to IPv6
by Adam Tauno Williams 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 12:10 +0400, Ilya Chernykh wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2010 04:31:19 Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 03:48 +0400, Ilya Chernykh wrote: > > > On Monday 13 September 2010 03:23:04 James Knott wrote: > > > > > For whom? Currently ADSL companies advertise Internet access in my > > > > > area slightly more expensive than Ethenet providers for the same > > > > > download speed (and much slower upload speed). > > > > In order to offer ethernet, you have to have cables capable of carrying > > > > it. There are a lot of buildings and neighbourhoods that have lots of > > > > phone cable but no cat5 or fibre. > > > What's the problem with stretching such cables? Currently at least 3 > > > providers have their separate ethernet networks in my building. > > You are repeatedly missing a *very* important point - you are talking > > *about where YOU are*. Ethernet cabling in existing facilities is > > extremely rare. > > There is a *HUGE* cost in just labor and materials to deploying such a > > network. Obviously where you are _somehow_ those organizations are > > defraying that cost [subsidies, tax breaks, grants, etc...]. > Are you talking about UTP cble? UTP cable is very cheap. You are ignoring the cost of *LABOR*. Someone has to install it - and they want to be paid. And for your network to work well it has to be installed by someone who knows what they are doing [UTP is fairly sensitive to a number of factors] - so they want to be paid a real wage. And, of course, the employer has to pay compensation insurance [or the local equivalent]. And you are still ignoring the legal costs [RIGHT-OF-WAY, see below]. One _cannot_ just "sling cable". > > I have some experience with issues regarding transportation, and network > > infrastructure suffers from one of the same major issues: > > *RIGHT-OF-WAY* If you want to put a wire on a pole, under a road, under > > a rail line, etc... you have to have RIGHT-OF-WAY from whatever > > authority controls that impediment. That means you need *LAWYERS* to > > build your network. Which may end up costing more than the physical > > infrastructure. > > > > The only way is via ADSL riding on > > > > the phone lines or by the cable TV networks. > > > Why do you think cable TV coaxial(or anything) is better than UTP? > > Nobody is saying it is. But it _is_ there, pretty universally. Cat-5 > > and fiber are nowhere near universal. > Coax cannot be compared with fiber or Cat-5. With coax you can only get about > 10 Mbit/s - much lower even than UTP. But installation was paid for 20 years ago. > > > To have cable TV you also have to make wiring. > > But the wire was installed 20 years ago. Cat-5 didn't exist. > Only coax from attic to the flats. You have to *get to the building* before the cable in the building even matters. > > > In this country television is historically by radio shared between flats > > > by coaxial. Even if there were (or are) some cables connecting the > > > buildings to a district TV hub (there were sometime in 90s translations > > > from a district TV studio), it is unevident by whom such cables may be > > > owned and why they should be interested in Internet deal and even if they > > > agree how all customers would share one cable? > > They are interesting for providing Internet because they are already > > there. There are no RIGHT-OF-WAY issues. I just replace what is on > > both ends of the wire and BAM - I have a network. > With 20-years-old coax? :-) And you compare it to fiber? How many flats > can you connect with such coax? Thousands. > > > Only imagine: plain UTP ethernet cable has bandwidth 10-100 times greater > > > than any old wiring that could exist, even without optics and cat5 > > > cables. If you want to provide modern cable TV with Internet, you still > > > have to provide optics to any building, so no difference from ethernet. > > No, you can provide a large amount of service on existing cable with a > > negligible installation cost; you just replace what is on both ends of > > the wire. > You cannot make coax work as fiber. No, but you can make it work as a network [there really is no need for fiber's bandwidth]. > > > > It cost a lot to rewire an > > > > area with a new cable type. > > > Which area do you mean? One building? Or a wider area? > > City blocks, neighborhoods, industrial parks, etc... where you have to > > cross roads, rail lines, rivers, and all manner of impediments you don't > > own. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Moving to IPv6
by Adam Tauno Williams 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 02:37 +0400, Ilya Chernykh wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2010 02:13:29 Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > I don't know about "costly" (that is a relative term). At scale ADSL > > networks [obviously] have proven to be cost-effective. > For whom? Currently ADSL companies advertise Internet access in my area > slightly more expensive than Ethenet providers for the same download speed > (and much slower upload speed). Ok, but that doesn't say anything about the tech's cost-effectiveness. You may have non-technical issues and costs involved. In many many places ADSL connectivity is common and reasonably priced. It is important not to interpret ones own experiences as the 'general case' (assuming there is anything like a 'general case'). > But imagine the situation of say 7-8 years ago. Internet was very expensive > then. Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] iphone filesystem support in 11.3?
by Michael Fischer 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

Hi. Wondering if anyone is able to plug in an iphone to an 11.3 machine and actually mount the iphone filesystem to say... copy photos to the SuSE machine? Thanks. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael(a)visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] iphone filesystem support in 11.3?
by Michael Fischer 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

On Sun, Sep 12, John Andersen wrote: > All you see is your pictures. Unless you jail break the iphone. Meaning you *can* mount the iphone drive and navigate to the photos? Does it finally have the notion of being auto-mounted by the kernel at some /dev/sdx? Thanks for the reply. Yours, Michael -- Michael Fischer michael(a)visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: opensuse.ca.unixheads.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUS_11.3/ ?
by Joe(theWordy)Philbrook 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

It would appear that on Sep 11, Ilya Chernykh did say: > To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.user > Message-ID: > <201009112153.50358.neptunia__38738.1205721342$1284227645$gmane$org(a)mail.r > u> > From: Ilya Chernykh <neptunia(a)mail.ru> > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:53:50 +0400 > In-Reply-To: > <alpine.LNX.2.00.1009111233290.3325-3MlhFNLmhunYxHkTW1RFBlKr0EmMEXJSn9A1Ff > 6Mc9Q(a)public.gmane.org> > Subject: Re: > opensuse.ca.unixheads.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUS_11.3/ ? > > On Saturday 11 September 2010 21:21:14 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > Autoupdate fails... > > > > I'm certainly no expert on OpenSuSE repositories, But When I asked about > > them on this list somebody gave me a fairly extensive list including the > > above. But now this one causes errors when I attempt to use yast2's > > "Online Update" tool. > > > > Has something untoward happened to this repo or what????? > > This repo ha been deleted and all packages archived until some maintainer > cares to support them. > Hmmm then since as I just discovered when I tried to browse: http://opensuse.ca.unixheads.org/repositories/KDE:/ that: Firefox can't find the server at opensuse.ca.unixheads.org. Does that mean that I may as well remove any repositories from opensuse.ca.unixheads.org??? (Such as their "tools" repo that I had to disable today to avoid errors on yast software manager startup...) Or is this a separate problem?? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtwdyp(a)ttlc.net>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Lost touchpad/trackpad
by Robert Schweikert 12 Sep '10

12 Sep '10

Hi, While trying to get display to a projector to work in openSUSE 11.3 I ended up having to shutdown the laptop (improper shutdown via power button). Ever since I've lost the trackpad, i.e. mouse pointer no longer moves when using the trackpad. How do I get it working again? Help is appreciated. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Software Engineer Consultant LINUX rschweikert(a)novell.com 781-464-8147 Novell Making IT Work As One -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] I'm still a little confused about "openSUSE BuildService"
by Joe(theWordy)Philbrook 12 Sep '10

12 Sep '10

Back aways a kind hearted soul on this list gave me an extensive list of working repositories. Which list included several with a description that included the term "openSUSE BuildService". Which I initially presumed to be a collection of source code repositories. But since I dislike guessing I goggled around and found a wiki. Which seems to indicate that software developers can use openSUSE BuildService as a tool to package/distribute their {GPL only?} software for multiple distributions?? It said something about the resulting binary packages being made available to the public. So now I'm thinking maybe the "openSUSE BuildService" repositories like, for example: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/xfce/openSUSE_11.3/ may actually contain the resulting binary packages compiled specifically for openSUSE 11.3??? Would somebody kindly let me know if I got any of that right? -- | ~-~ ~-~ Guess I just don't know. | <?> <?> Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <jtwdyp(a)ttlc.net> <sigh> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] 11.3 X server problems
by Vadym Krevs 12 Sep '10

12 Sep '10

On 12/09/10 12:11, Jos van Kan wrote: > Op 12-09-10 11:37, Vadym Krevs schreef: >> On 12/09/10 10:27, Jos van Kan wrote: > (snip) >>> There is a problem with the X server that I cannot quite nail down. After >>> rebooting the Xserver comes up fine and I get the normal kdm login >>> screen. But >>> when I log out, the X-server does not restart properly and I am left >>> with a >>> frozen black screen. I can still use the text consoles f1-f6. I can go >>> back to >>> level 3, which frees the graphic terminal, but after that the X server >>> won't >>> come up any more. >>> Switching sessions instead of logging out gives the same result. >>> The Xorg.0.log suggests to disable autoadddevice, but that disables ALL >>> hotplugging too, so that is no viable option. >>> >>> >>> Since this machine is used by several people this is a nuisance, >>> because every >>> user switch now requires a reboot. >>> Ideas anyone? I have the old sax2 xorg.conf still at my disposal. >>> Should I take >>> the Monitor and screen sections from that conf file? Since structure >>> has been >>> totally changed I do not like very much meddling in what I do not know. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >> Are there any clues in dmesg, /var/log/messages or /var/log/Xorg.0.log? >> > dmesg and Xorg.0.log give nothing special. /var/log/messages has a line that > might be at the heart of this: > > Sep 12 12:46:07 pavilion102 polkitd(authority=local): Unregistered > Authentication Agent for session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1 (system > bus name :1.29, object path /org/kde/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale > nl_NL@euro) > > This is a line that appeared after I logged out of a kde session. I'll > investigate further. Thanks so far. > I'd also have a look in openSUSE's bugzilla for 11.3 - perhaps someone's already raised a similar issue? -- Regards, Vadym -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] opensuse.ca.unixheads.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUS_11.3/ ?
by Joe(theWordy)Philbrook 12 Sep '10

12 Sep '10

Anybody know what's up with: http://opensuse.ca.unixheads.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.3/ Autoupdate fails... I'm certainly no expert on OpenSuSE repositories, But When I asked about them on this list somebody gave me a fairly extensive list including the above. But now this one causes errors when I attempt to use yast2's "Online Update" tool. Has something untoward happened to this repo or what????? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtwdyp(a)ttlc.net>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Chromium corrupts some downloads
by jsa 11 Sep '10

11 Sep '10

In installed Google Chromium from build service and tried to use it to download Google earth (from Google). Download completes fine, but the downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin is corrupted. Switching to Firefox gets around this. I filed a bug report, and post this here just in case anyone else is wondering why some things seem corrupted with Chrome used to download, and so that it will be caught by google spiders for the next guy scratching his head when he sees something like this: jsa@poulsbo:~/Download> sh ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 2: --noexec: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 3: --keep: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 4: the: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 5: --nox11: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 6: --nochown: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 7: --target: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 8: --tar: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 9: --: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 10: EOH: command not found ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 11: syntax error near unexpected token `}' ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: line 11: `}' See Bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638735 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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