Re: [opensuse] Moving to IPv6
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 02:37 +0400, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 13 September 2010 02:13:29 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
I don't know about "costly" (that is a relative term). At scale ADSL networks [obviously] have proven to be cost-effective. For whom? Currently ADSL companies advertise Internet access in my area slightly more expensive than Ethenet providers for the same download speed (and much slower upload speed).
Ok, but that doesn't say anything about the tech's cost-effectiveness. You may have non-technical issues and costs involved. In many many places ADSL connectivity is common and reasonably priced. It is important not to interpret ones own experiences as the 'general case' (assuming there is anything like a 'general case').
But imagine the situation of say 7-8 years ago. Internet was very expensive then.
Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 13 September 2010 02:53:40 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
But imagine the situation of say 7-8 years ago. Internet was very expensive then.
Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL.
Which could not compete with Ethernet even at 10 Mbit/s. Not to say that as I already sad, Internet was not the main service which people used in their LANs. Some people used Internet and some never did. Some ad-hoc LANs allowed people who did not pay for Internet if, say, they hosted a hub in their flat or a file server (because there were always problems with officials who did not allow hubs in attics). Sometimes the LAN organizers connected buildings only if there were enough interested people (say, 5) in that building. Connecting a building allowed to extend the LAN further to other buildings. There was no need in fiber optics then and Ethernet equipment was cheap. Such LANs over time upgraded equipment and evolved into providers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-09-13 01:10, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 13 September 2010 02:53:40 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
But imagine the situation of say 7-8 years ago. Internet was very expensive then.
Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL.
Which could not compete with Ethernet even at 10 Mbit/s.
Of course it could - because there was no ethernet. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 13 September 2010 02:53:40 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
But imagine the situation of say 7-8 years ago. Internet was very expensive then.
Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL.
Which could not compete with Ethernet even at 10 Mbit/s.
Not to say that as I already sad, Internet was not the main service which people used in their LANs. Some people used Internet and some never did.
It's an amazing story. Local ethernet cabling, but no content and no services so really only for nerds in different buildings. I mean, my mum would not have had much use for a local LAN. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 13 September 2010 11:04:57 Per Jessen wrote:
Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL.
Which could not compete with Ethernet even at 10 Mbit/s.
Not to say that as I already sad, Internet was not the main service which people used in their LANs. Some people used Internet and some never did.
It's an amazing story. Local ethernet cabling, but no content and no services
Of course with content and services. As I already said, there are PtP networks where you can find anything (films, music, new software etc), game servers, chats, forums, radio and TV broadcasts, FTP resources, torrent retracker from Internet (so you can download torrents at LAN speed), even mirrors of repositories of popular Linux distros (unfortunately, not OpenSUSE though) etc etc. For example, film libraries of my network: http://video.multilocal.ru/, http://video.userlan.ru/films.php just click and download. Games download server: http://games.multilocal.ru/ Game servers: http://www.steamworld.ru/index.php There re many other resources which are not accessible from Internet.
so really only for nerds in different buildings. I mean, my mum would not have had much use for a local LAN.
Girls very often just sit in the DC++ chat. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 13 September 2010 11:04:57 Per Jessen wrote:
Where you are. In ~2001 in many places there was reasonable Internet, including the early versions of ADSL.
Which could not compete with Ethernet even at 10 Mbit/s.
Not to say that as I already sad, Internet was not the main service which people used in their LANs. Some people used Internet and some never did.
It's an amazing story. Local ethernet cabling, but no content and no services
Of course with content and services. As I already said, there are PtP networks where you can find anything (films, music, new software etc), game servers, chats, forums, radio and TV broadcasts, FTP resources, torrent retracker from Internet (so you can download torrents at LAN speed), even mirrors of repositories of popular Linux distros (unfortunately, not OpenSUSE though) etc etc.
I thought you said none of that was available until today or in the later years?
For example, film libraries of my network: http://video.multilocal.ru/, http://video.userlan.ru/films.php just click and download. Games download server: http://games.multilocal.ru/ Game servers: http://www.steamworld.ru/index.php
Standard internet stuff then.
There re many other resources which are not accessible from Internet.
I think it's quite amazing - it's sounds like an internet2, well internet3. What came first then - cabling or content? In the 90s there was virtually no content, which is why we all (except you guys) were happy with a 56K dial-up to Compuserve. The content and services then slowly started coming, and the demand for bandwidth rose with it.
so really only for nerds in different buildings. I mean, my mum would not have had much use for a local LAN.
Girls very often just sit in the DC++ chat.
Is that a local LAN service? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 13 September 2010 13:31:21 Per Jessen wrote:
Which could not compete with Ethernet even at 10 Mbit/s.
Not to say that as I already sad, Internet was not the main service which people used in their LANs. Some people used Internet and some never did.
It's an amazing story. Local ethernet cabling, but no content and no services
Of course with content and services. As I already said, there are PtP networks where you can find anything (films, music, new software etc), game servers, chats, forums, radio and TV broadcasts, FTP resources, torrent retracker from Internet (so you can download torrents at LAN speed), even mirrors of repositories of popular Linux distros (unfortunately, not OpenSUSE though) etc etc.
I thought you said none of that was available until today or in the later years?
Just the opposite, it was available from the 90-s but now declining due to cheap Internet. My provider started this August to move all local resources from local IPs to the external IPs. They still pledge the will not charge for traffic, but the LAN will not be available for those who does not pay for Internet any more. Also all those who had static IPs in local zone now have to pay for static external IPs so the number of user-maintained resources is expected to decline. Some services still available on the local addresses: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0913/h_1284370926_0e5575b26c.png http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0913/h_1284370963_e52f1eed09.png
For example, film libraries of my network: http://video.multilocal.ru/, http://video.userlan.ru/films.php just click and download. Games download server: http://games.multilocal.ru/ Game servers: http://www.steamworld.ru/index.php
Standard internet stuff then.
There re many other resources which are not accessible from Internet.
I think it's quite amazing - it's sounds like an internet2, well internet3.
What came first then - cabling or content? In the 90s there was virtually no content, which is why we all (except you guys) were happy with a 56K dial-up to Compuserve. The content and services then slowly started coming, and the demand for bandwidth rose with it.
so really only for nerds in different buildings. I mean, my mum would not have had much use for a local LAN.
Girls very often just sit in the DC++ chat.
Is that a local LAN service?
Yes, it was in any LAN - local chat. You could chat with your schoolmates or anybody in your district. I personally connected to dc.meridian.lan server (because my local provider was named Meridian). But after a larger provider bought my local provider, it is very difficult to find anybody from your district in DC now. The old server dc.meridian.lan functioned for some time after the merge, but slowly declined. On the new dc server though one can be sure there are people only from my city so far :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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