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[opensuse] Various Novell clients for Linux
by Roger Oberholtzer 12 Dec '08

12 Dec '08

Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE. The Netware client is more of a mystery. http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/19968.html implies that with fiddling it can work with 10.2, 10.3 and 11.0. But why not a proper package for the releases of openSUSE? I understand that Novell would like to sell things. I work at a place with a Netware site license - we have already bought everything. It is everywhere. Except on any openSUSE clients. Is the idea that folk who want to work in a strictly MS environment are fine with openSUSE (Novell +MS deal helps ensure that), but folk who want to work in a Netware environment are not in as good a position to be integrated with Netware? Something seems odd about that. I can only interpret the continued lack of real releases of these clients for the releases of openSUSE to mean that Novell are not as interested in Netware integration of openSUSE as they are of MS integration. I can join a Windows active domain via Yast. I can do nothing to integrate with Netware. How odd. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Security Updates
by Donald D Henson 11 Dec '08

11 Dec '08

I keep getting notified that a security update is available for python and postfix. However, when I click the update button, I get the following error: Dependency resolution failed A package could not be found that allows the task to complete. More information is available in the detailed report. More details patch:esound-138.noarch conflicts with pavucontrol.i586 < 0.9.6-4.1 provided by pavucontrol-0.9.6-0.pm.1.i586 Would some kind soul tell me what I need to do to clear this thing? -- Don Henson

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[opensuse] Of software RAID on SUSE Linux
by Tero Pesonen 08 Dec '08

08 Dec '08

Hi all! I've been pondering some options for how to set up my next SUSE system, and have come to the conclusion that software RAID would most likely serve my needs best. I've only had non-RAIDed, "regular" desktop systems till now, since the days of SuSE 8.0 or thereabout, but have of late become fed up with the reliability issues the typical IDE/SATA drives suffer from and the stress test they pose on one's backup policies. So now that I've decided to have my next box assembled for me from components I select, I've also decided to discard the traditional "one or two primary disks + a backup disk" approach; as despite how often or well I backup, if, or rather when, the disk where the OS lies dies, there's awfully lot of trouble and work anyway. I first looked at SCSI disks as a more reliable alternative -- if a disk can withstand server-level I/O for a few years, it sure as hell will stand up to anything I can throw at it on my humble desktop -- but there still exists a single point of failure unless I RAID-1 two decent-sized SCSI disks. This, with the controllers etc., would be very expensive, at least based on my I've seen thus far. The SCSI drives are also said to be noisy beasts -- a no-no for a desktop at which I will have to spend quite a few hours every day. Next I read about RAID controllers and the possibility of putting a few standard SATA disks into one, thus gaining fault tolerance for simple hardware failures (i.e. a disk dies). Of course, a RAID won't help against other kinds of data loss, such as the power supply's failing and killing other components with some mighty spike; or from fire, or flood, or what ever. That is OK. That's why I backup. Next I learnt that decent RAID controllers are supposedly very expensive. Worse, some people have reported of the controllers themselves breaking down unexpectedly, taking with them all the disks or, with luck, simply failing to function correctly, having to be replaced. The hardware controlled RAID is, so I learnt, often incompatible with other controllers, requiring it to be replaced with one from the same manufacturer or even with the exact same model which may or may not still be readily available, keeping the system down till one is found. This seemed more difficult than I had anticipated. However, based on what I last read about software RAIDs, it seems I actually need not make this more difficult than it has to be. I do not need performance but mere reliability. It seems the Linux software RAID would be able to provide this. I'd like to know if I've understood this correctly, and whether the proposed-below setup would work as expected on the to-be openSUSE 11.1 system. (I've also considered Enterprise Desktop for longer support, but the base system is getting a tad old while the next version won't still be out anytime soon, I'd think. Luckily the regular 11.1 will still include KDE 3.5) So, I would acquire for the system, say, four disk, three of which would be "online" as a RAID-1 setup at any given time, representing together a single virtual disk with x number of partitions, seen by the system as a single block device, while the fourth could sit as an online spare disk that upon the Linux RAID's learning of one disk's failure, would become online as part of the array and would be integrated / reconstructed accordinly. A fifth disk could be kept offline as a spare disk for the one that would get removed, and thus becoming the new online spare disk, and so forth. Or I could have just an offline spare disk that I would insert in the failed one's place during a power off, after which I would have it partitioned as necessary and have it then become part of the RAID array and to be reconstructed. And all would be well again and peace would reign. If this is indeed true, and based on what I read at openSUSE's guide on this at http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_install_SUSE_Linux_on_software_RAID it should be, will it matter at all what kind of (SATA) disks I use for the array as long as they all meet the minimum disk size as dictated by the virtual disk they present? In other words, may I combine disks from different manufacturers, with different specs, etc. without affecting the RAID somehow negatively? I.e. the disks need not be identical; this would be preferred to avoid an unlikely-but-not-unheard-of situation where a defect is shared by a batch of drives from the same manufacturer; or that they wear down the exact same speed and fail close to one another, etc. If one disk is slower than the others, will it impose the speed limit onto the RAID virtual block device? Meaning, that all disks will have to return some kind of "I/O done" before the Linux RAID will request further I/O? (Seems most logical for reliability.) On the other hand, replacing disks later with larger capacity ones will cause no problem as they only need to meet the minimum size criterion. Hence, I could replace them one-by-one such that each new disk, replacing a removed old one, is first let to fully integrate/reconstruct; finally, after all disk have been replaced, I could enlarge a partition or two, for example, as allowed by the new shared minimum, thus increasing the capacity of the virtual device that is being RAIDed. And there would, of course, be regular other backup routines in place, such as rsyncing the RAIDed block device to an external disk via USB/Firewire etc. Also, I presume the kernel would not mind a non-RAIDed internal SATA disk(s) being part of the system as well. Would it be possible to have two separate RAID arrays? (as long as all the disk can be connected and there is space and power available...) Is it really true that the system may still boot gracefully after the disk where the MBR was dies and is replaced during a power down? How exactly will this work -- is the MBR too mirrored on all disks? To me this kind of setup seems now the most convenient one, especially with the guide available on how to install openSUSE with a software RAID and how to monitor it. I'd presume there would be no other benefits in going for SCSI over this except better performance? I also believe hardware RAID controllers would only improve performance, too, while possessing no other relevant factors affecting typical desktop use? It seems I could get five or six 320GB SATA drives for the price of a single 146GB SCSI one, and I would need at least two of those for RAID-1 and a controller too, and extra capacity elsewhere. A lot of money, that is, with no improvement in reliability, it would seem, as three or four SATA's in a RAID with spare disks at hand would seem quite enough despite however unlucky I happened to be with picking the disks. One more question: Will I be able to access each disk's (that make the RAID) SMART data still with hdparm or even though the system would see them as a single block device? (Or so I presume, as they share the same mount points) I'd like to hear if the general ideas and arguments made above are more or less correct. I'm not going to order my new system just yet -- it is still a few weeks away at minimum, as is 11.1 too, I think -- but I'd like to think these issues through well beforehand. Thanks for all comments! Regards, Tero Pesonen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] 11.0 - openSuSE Updater Fails (Repeatedly) on Tonights Updates
by David C. Rankin 07 Dec '08

07 Dec '08

Listmates, Tonights updates of xorg-fonts, jasper, hal and mozilla fail repeatedly with error dialog box messages about missing files to the screen. However, the files are actually in the update repository and the files are actually downloaded to your computer -- they update just partially fails. After the first failure, the dialogs all concerned xorg. Of course with everything going to the qt or gtk crud dialogs (or whatever they are), there is no way to copy the text of the error dialogs to share with the list, so I just took screenshots. Each screenshot is of a separate dialog window error message. The original update listing of files is 54k, the remainder are about 12k. (so much for a 60 byte copy of the text from the error). The list of updates tonight were: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/hal-jasper-ff-xorg… On the first failure, the xorg errors that I caught were: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… (I may have missed one or two dialogs) After the failure, the openSuSE updater icon says there are new updates and I check the details and it is the same exact list as before. So I choose install again, and this time it is mozilla that fails (apparently xorg was installed successfully on this run). The errors were: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… Same updater icon behavior, the next failures on the next install updates go-round concerned libjasper: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… Same updater icon behavior, the next failures on the next install updates go-round concerned hal: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… Now obviously something is being installed for the error messages to change on each successive running of updates, but I'm not sure what or in what order, because running the updater again when it showed new updates available resulted in more mozilla errors: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/zypper/error-patch-not-fo… Don't know what to make of it, but I am curious is others are seeing this behavior? Also, is there a way to copy the text from these dialogs that I don't know about yet? I would really like to be able to post and discuss the errors instead of a string of screenshots, but I haven't been able to with the new dialog. Also, could these be due to the change to the updater app using the new Package/Policy Kit backend to zypper. I didn't think I had done one of the updates that would force that change yet. The updater app still shows show zypp backend, but the packagekit backend is apparently available as an option. Any thoughts would be appreciated. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 www.rankinlawfirm.com | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] iostat & sysstat in Suse 11
by James D. Parra 05 Dec '08

05 Dec '08

Hello all, Was sysstat (iostat, etc) removed from Suse 11? Is there a replacement for those tools? Thank you, James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Wi-fi button
by Anton Aylward 05 Dec '08

05 Dec '08

When I boot my laptop (openSUSE 11.0/KDE4) the wifi start, regardless, even before KDE comes up. I have /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-wlan0 with STARTMODE='manual' which I thought means I have to manually enable the wifi. Things aren't like that. Am I reading this incorrectly? What should I have set so that wifi doesn't come up on boot? The 'button' side of things is that there is a button on the front panel of the laptop labelled 'wireless'. When running the dreaded Microsoft Windows, this turned the wifi on and off. How can I get that button to turn the wifi on and off? -- The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. - Max DePree -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] need help deciphering a tcpdump
by Per Jessen 05 Dec '08

05 Dec '08

I've got a problem with an SMTP session between two mailservers (of which one is ours). The initial conversation works fine right up until the RCPT TO. We respond with '250 2.1.5 Ok' after which nothing else happens until we time out. I've captured the whole thing with tcpdump, and I've got a suspicion, but I'd like somebody else to have a look: http://jessen.ch/files/cellere-tcpdump We are the 88-address, the other side is the 195-ditto. If someone would care to take a peek at the above, and explain to me what's going on, I'd much appreciate it. thanks Per -- /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Ntfs external hard disk mount problem in 2008 (for me)
by ivo.linux 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

I have an external hard disk (e-hd) ntfs disk 500gb, I would keep ntfs file system but I have problem to write it with opensuse 11. Initially opensuse mount the e-hd with read permission, I used the GUI ntfs-config to enable the write access. As result i obtained that now user can not mount the e-hd (it require root privilegges ). I have edited fstab as followed reported but without any effects (it require root privilegges ). well my question is how I can set a user mount with write permission for my ntfs external disk Thanks #Highlighted # line added by ntfs-config /dev/sdc1 /media/ebox ntfs-3g defaults,nosuid,nodev,locale=it_IT.UTF-8,force 0 0 # line added by me /dev/sdc1 /media/ebox ntfs-3g auto,defaults,rw,users,locale=it_IT.UTF-8 0 0 #my fstab proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6L250R0_L50YRVAH-part5 / ext3 acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6L250R0_L50YRVAH-part6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sdc1 /media/ebox ntfs-3g defaults,nosuid,nodev,locale=it_IT.UTF-8,force 0 0 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6Y160P0_Y461FP9E-part5 /windows/C ntfs-3g defaults,rw,users,locale=it_IT.UTF-8 0 0 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6Y160P0_Y461FP9E-part2 /windows/D vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6L250R0_L50YRVAH-part8 /windows/E vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6L250R0_L50YRVAH-part7 swap swap defaults 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs noauto 0 0 /sys/bus/usb/drivers /proc/bus/usb usbfs devmode=664,devgid=110 0 0 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Trouble with Truecrypt and fusermount
by Sonny Hughes 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Follow-up I worked with AppArmor for a long time last night with no luck. Same problem when executing the mount from Truecrypt... On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Sonny Hughes <hughes.sonny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I do have that installed! > Hadn't thought of that. It usually "just works". I'll take a > look at that next. > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Don Raboud <dwraboud(a)telusplanet.net> wrote: >> On November 29, 2008 01:17:07 pm Sonny Hughes wrote: >>> I recently installed the latest version of Truecrypt on my SUSE 11.0 >>> system. Truecrypt seems to be working OK, at least in part. I can >>> create an encrypted file or device (USB stick) that will mount perfectly >>> on an XP system. >>> I have been unable to get any Truecrypt device or file to mount on my >>> SUSE machine. Instead of mounting I get : >>> "fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted" >>> <<<Snip >>> >>> >>> It's got to be something simple to fix, I just can't find it. Any ideas >>> would be appreciated >>> >>> Thanks and Regards! >> >> I've not tried Truecrypt or fusermount so this is a guess, but given the >> permission problems as root, my first suspicion would be apparmor. >> >> Do you have that installed? >> >> -- >> Don >> >> >> -- Ralph (Sonny) Hughes, CISSP, PMP Prattville, AL --------------------------------------------------------------- Oderint dum metuant -Caligula -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] BIOS question
by Roger Oberholtzer 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

You would think I would know this but alas... Is there a utility that comes with openSUSE that can be used to tell what type of RAM the computer has? Not the amount. But the type. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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