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[opensuse] Kwin not starting up when logging in
by Scott Simpson 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

For some reason, on my 10.3 box "kwin" has stopped starting up when I log in and I have to start it manually? Anyone else having this problem or is there some way to debug it? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Gates Predicts...
by Stevens 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

God, I love it. A cross-post here from the opensuse-offtopic list. That should be driving the ARs nuts. ROFLMAO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
by Aaron Kulkis 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Bill Anderson wrote: > Aaron Kulkis wrote: >> Bill Anderson wrote: >>> Bob S wrote: >>>> Hello SuSE users, >>>> >>>> While searching for files in /usr/bin I noticed something that seems >>>> odd to me. There is a folder in there named X11. It is a link to the >>>> same folder. If you open it, it shows the exact same thing as >>>> /usr/bin. You can continue opening the X11 directory until you have >>>> a /usr/bin//X11/X11/X11/X11 file open on ad-infitum. They all show >>>> the exact same files and megabytes. What is this? Can somebody >>>> explain the purpose? >>>> >>>> Bob S >>>> >>> Not sure of the reason, but it only impacts on the logical path pwd >>> -L. The physical path (pwd -P) remains as /usr/bin. The impact is to >>> have all X11 binaries appear in /usr/bin instead of /usr/bin/X11. >>> Like many symbolic links, it makes the applications happy even when >>> the underlying structure changes. For those of us who use UNIX, we >>> are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin, >> >> since when? there are several programs which have always >> been in /bin because they are needed in runlevel 0 and >> run level S, neither of which have /usr mounted, but which >> are not administrative only, (and thus do NOT reside in >> /sbin or /usr/sbin). > Since the early 1990s, /bin has been a symbolic link to /usr/bin. If you > go to runlevel S, you will find that there are a minimal number of > utilities in /usr/bin. These are hidden if you have a separate mount for > /usr. The intent was for /usr to be a static directory. I think you're on drugs: akulkis@kulkix:/> ls -al / total 112 drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2007-12-18 15:26 . drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2007-12-18 15:26 .. drwx------ 2 root root 4096 2007-01-09 05:54 .gnupg lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-04-23 12:24 K00ntp -> ../ntp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-04-23 12:24 S99ntp -> ../ntp drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-12-27 11:39 bin drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-12-27 11:39 boot drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 7880 2008-01-07 01:32 dev drwxr-xr-x 120 root root 8192 2008-01-07 05:34 etc drwxr-xr-x 31 root root 4096 2007-12-15 20:17 home drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2006-12-27 11:39 lib lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2006-12-26 10:58 local -> /home/local drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2006-12-26 08:38 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2008-01-07 05:31 media drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-07-15 12:36 mnt drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 2008-01-05 00:12 opt dr-xr-xr-x 290 root root 0 2008-01-07 01:22 proc drwx------ 25 root root 4096 2008-01-07 01:32 root drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 8192 2006-12-27 11:43 sbin drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2006-12-26 09:31 srv drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-22 22:25 subdomain drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 0 2008-01-07 01:22 sys drwxrwxrwt 133 root root 16384 2008-01-07 15:00 tmp drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 151 2006-12-26 09:02 usr drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 2006-12-27 11:35 var drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-12-26 08:38 windows akulkis@kulkix:/> >> >> examples being: cp, chown, dd, grep, awk, cat, chmod, chgrp, >> date, kill, ln, ls, mount, umount, rm, rmdir, sed, stty, >> tar, shells (sh/ksh/csh/tcsh/bash), false, true, uname, >> ed, ex, vi > I think you need to get on a Unix box, and check out the actual > structure. Linux has never followed this path, and holds to the old Unix > structure. I have been working with Unix since 1978, and have been > through a number of file structure changes. Which Unix vendors made this change? > > The point is that symbolic links are used to for backwards compatibility. Yes, I realize that. > > As a side light, a number of the utilities that you mention are now > shell built-ins, which take precedence over the equivalent command. For > example, pwd is a built-in that has the -L and -P options for ksh and > bash. Primarily because forking off a shell, then execing a new executable, just to print the name of the working directory is a waste, and belongs in the shell. /bin/pwd was basically a patch for a deficiency in the early versions of sh and ksh. Csh and tcsh have always had $cwd (current working directory) > The /usr/bin command does not have these options, and exists for > Bourne shell compatibility. You might also note that under Linux it is > /usr/bin/sh, /usr/bin/ksh, and /bin/bash. > Now I know you're on drugs: akulkis@kulkix:/> which sh /bin/sh akulkis@kulkix:/> which ksh /usr/bin/ksh akulkis@kulkix:/> which bash /bin/bash akulkis@kulkix:/> ls -al `which sh` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-12-26 08:43 /bin/sh -> bash akulkis@kulkix:/> ls -al `which ksh` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-12-27 11:39 /usr/bin/ksh -> /lib/ast/ksh akulkis@kulkix:/> ls -al `which bash` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 501804 2006-04-22 21:46 /bin/bash akulkis@kulkix:/> > Most people are not aware that the default behavior for ksh and bash is > to show the logical path, so that cd .. behaves as expected. It is the > shell that tracks the logical path. The system calls still refer to the > physical path, as does /bin/pwd. For those interested in understanding > this behavior try cd -P /usr/tmp and then do the pwd command. The shell > built-in for cd also support the -P and -L options. > > Bill Anderson > WW7BA > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Gates Predicts End of the Keyboard in Final CES Keynote
by Aaron Kulkis 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

M9. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > G T Smith schreef: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> Taken to another extreme. You put down your coffee cup and the "surface" >>> recognizes the need and heats the surface where the cup is sitting. Take >>> off you coffee cup and put down a glass of iced tea and it now cools >>> that spot. >>> >> Right that would be OK for coffee, but not so much use if you put your >> beer down (unless you are drinking gluh bier ...).. :-) > > If the beer is cold, the table would cool... > >> On a more serious note, the kind of AI to this kind of thing is still a >> a very long way away, and we are not talking a few years, more like a >> few decades..... >> >> a) To do this you need good pattern recognition. Neural net based >> applications a still more than a bit limited in accuracy, reliability >> and range of usage. Finger scanning yes, facial recognition not yet by a >> long way. >> >> b) The cognitive A.I. to deal with the semantics, intent, and action >> interpretation of human activity does not exist outside the lab. >> > > Helas, but i think i could live with an electronic servant very well.. ;-) > >>>>> I'm sure such things are still a few years in the future >>>> but............ >>>> >>>> It's a ridiculously stupid idea to think that this sort >>>> of thing will be in a coffee-table in every one's home > > Not only in a coffeetable, imagine your bartenderbot would make you a > marvelous glas of beer, with the right temperature, the moment it > notices you are in need of one..:-)) > and puts a glass of tequila next to it.... > >> While I would not call it stupid, I think something like holographic >> keyboards and displays are likely to be more cost effective (and you >> would not need a special table).... This kind of stuff is not new or >> original .... > > Yes, i agree, it would be much cheaper to have a virtual helmet, and a > pair of gloves... > You would only need those, and a hole to plug it in.... > This would reduce an enormous amount of furniture, and the > vacuumclean-bot, would work shorter, and much more easy.. > The room we live in could be much smaller than also: a very comfortable > chair to live in would be enough.. ;-) I think you should find the Mad Magazine archives [available on CD... Windows only :-( ] and read the very first issue. This is when the magazine was titled "Tales Calculated to Drive you Mad" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Kontact crash
by Chris Arnold 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Using 10.3 and kontact 1.2.4. when trying to enable the groupware settings in mail->misc->groupware and selecting the enable imap resource, kontact crashes. The backtrace is: System configuration startup check disabled. [?1034h(no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1". 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KMKernel::configChanged () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so #12 0xb5398eda in KMKernel::slotConfigChanged () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so #13 0xb539da5a in KMKernel::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so #14 0xb6c908ad in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #15 0xb6fc46ae in QSignal::signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #16 0xb6cac2a7 in QSignal::activate () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #17 0xb79b99ff in KSettings::Dispatcher::reparseConfiguration () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1 #18 0xb79b9a82 in KSettings::Dispatcher::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1 #19 0xb6c908ad in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #20 0xb7996d71 in KCMultiDialog::configCommitted () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1 #21 0xb79a9521 in KCMultiDialog::apply () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1 #22 0xb79a963b in KCMultiDialog::slotApply () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1 #23 0xb75824e4 in KDialogBase::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #24 0xb79a8822 in KCMultiDialog::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1 #25 0xb6c90811 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #26 0xb6c9144d in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #27 0xb6fcbf7c in QButton::clicked () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #28 0xb6d238ad in QButton::mouseReleaseEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #29 0xb6cc96e4 in QWidget::event () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #30 0xb6c320ac in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #31 0xb6c32fd3 in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #32 0xb72dbee2 in KApplication::notify () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #33 0xb6bd14fa in QETWidget::translateMouseEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #34 0xb6bd02c6 in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #35 0xb6be1070 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #36 0xb6c48c30 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #37 0xb6c48ac6 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #38 0xb6c31c1f in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #39 0x0805b703 in QWidget::setUpdatesEnabled () #40 0xbf891a6c in ?? () #41 0x00000001 in ?? () #42 0x00000001 in ?? () #43 0x00000000 in ?? () Is this a bug? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] POP3 Connection failed in Firefox
by Rastislav Krupanský 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Hello I try Firefox and Simple Mail addon (https://addons.mozilla.org/sk/firefox/addon/5593) under openSUSE 10.3, but i have problem with this addon. I always have error message "Simple mail error [pop3.atlas.sk:110]: connection failed" (and for pop3.atlas.cz also). I have completely same setting under windows and there it works correctly. So i tried it in another Linux - gOS LiveCD distro and there it works. But under openSUSE 10.3 (just to be sure i tried LiveCD-KDE also)it doesn't work. I tried to turn off firewall, but nothing changed. pop3 in Opera's M2 client works normally also under Linux. Any ideas why it works like this? What should i change? Ports 110 for pop3 and 25 for smtp are specified. Does anybody use this addon? Or has anybody ever tried it? Thanks. Regards -- Táto správa bola vytvorená integrovaným poštovým klientom prehliadača Opera: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] SNMP software
by Koenraad Lelong 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Hello, My router has snmp-functions and in the usermanual is written that this is "compatible with HP Openview compliant software". Is there some Linux-software I can use to access the router ? I played with net-snmp but I don't get anything back. I enabled snmp on another suse machine and from this I get answers on my queries. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Koenraad Lelong R&D Manager ACE electronics n.v. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Prstat equivalent
by Kain, Becki (B.) 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Hello: I tried searching at en.opensuse.org but "search is disabled, come back later". I'm looking for the equivalent of prstat, or something that will break down the threads that are part of a process to see why a process is pegging a cpu. Strace -p <pid> attatches my process, gives me a "read" and then just sits there. I don't think that will work if the process is in a race condition, which is what I'm trying to solve. Ideas please? TIA -becki kain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] SuseFirewall - protect SSH
by Marcin Floryan 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Hi! Is there a way to merge the following iptables rules with SuseFirewall? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m recent --set --name ssh --rsource iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m recent ! --rcheck --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 --name ssh --rsource -j ACCEPT I suspect those could be added once the firewall has started but ideally I would want this as part of the firewall startup. Regards, Marcin -- Marcin Floryan http://marcin.floryan.pl/ Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Opensuse updater error log file location?
by Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Using opensuse 10.2 and I rely on opensuse update icon/app to notify me of any security updates. On occasions opensuse updater comes up with a yellow triangle that indicates that one or more of the repositories checked was unavailable. If I rest my mouse on the yellow triangle a pop-up displays giving me the listing of the repositories that could not be reached. This display however does not let me copy and paste the results so I cannot monitor if a particular repository mirror is down. I have looked, in my best newbie grep, tail and cat, in /var/log/messages and elsewhere in the directory for a mention of the updater failing and which repositories caused the error. I have been unable to find a listing of the failed repositories and I wonder if the list could point me in the right direction to find log files for the opensuse update applet. TIA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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