June 2006 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse] updating 10.1
by Danilo Jonas 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

1) what the heck is top-posting? (I don't really care, but two items in a list seemed lame) 2) the previous email was the first one on this topic 3) you're nothing but a troll houghi: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:18:28PM +0200, Danilo Jonas wrote: >> lol, next time you buy (sic!) something which doesn't work properly (lets say you can use 3 of 5 gears in a car only), keep in mind, moaning is useless, it'll be fixed...somehow...somewhen. beati pauperes spiritu eh?! > > 1) Please do not toppost. > 2) I did not pay anything for it > 3) I was aware that this was going to happen > 4) I happily run 10.0 wich is still very accurate and up to date. > 5) The moments I run SUSE 10.1 it does pretty much what I want it to do. > >> Don't get me wrong, I like 10.1, the more I use it, the more I like it, but it certainly cannot be called final release. It's possibly a beta version, but nothing more. > > And how often do you need to repeat yourself or others? Looks like AOLs "ME > TOO"

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[SLE] KuickShow no more show jpeg
by Jose Thadeu Cavalcante 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi, After install the last update, SUSE 10.1/KDE3.5.3, kuickshow stopped to show jpeg files. Thanks Thadeu -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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RE: [SLE] KDE updates 10.1
by Marlier, Ian 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: suse(a)rio.vg [mailto:suse@rio.vg] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:39 AM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] KDE updates 10.1 > > This ties back to that "disconnect". The vibe I'm getting from you and > others with @suse.de's is that SuSE Linux is now development software > like Fedora and not intended for production machines. I suppose if you > hang out on the development lists where broken or buggy services are par > for the course, you might forget that many of us depend on SuSE Linux to > run our businesses. > > My confidence in depending on SuSE to run production servers has been > shaken. I was planning on rolling out a new set of Xen servers with > SuSE 10.1, but I've had to put that on hold. So far, SuSE has done > nothing to recover my confidence. You would use an OS that's been in release for two weeks in a production environment? While I agree that it's nice to have the latest and greatest, the desire for stability generally suggests that a "waiting period" is a Good Thing. That holds whether you're talking about SuSE, SuSE-OSS, SLES, Windows Server, etc etc etc. Once the software is in release, stick it on a test system, see how it works...if it doesn't work, then back-burner it until the problems are fixed, and then test again. Wash, rinse, repeat :-) (An example: I've got Windows running on most corporate desktops, because of a particular piece of software that our vendor only provides for Win32. We've started talking about looking into Windows Vista -- in late 2007/early 2008, when it will have been out for a year or so. And we run SuSE 9.3 as our production OS, having been burned by a too-early jump to SuSE 9.0 and the problems that resulted from the "upgrade" to 9.1.) I agree with the general sentiment, that adding in the ZENWorks updater to this release was a mistake. As a Systems guy, if my programmers tried to dump a feature like that into a release as late in the product cycle as this was added, I'd throw a bit of a temper tantrum. And I think someone from Novell/SuSE's project management group should go back and look at the decision process that lead to its inclusion. But if the complaint is that you can't just take a brand-new release and dump it into a production environment, well...maybe it's time to get a _bit_ more conservative with your own release cycle :-) -- there's always going to be a bug in there somewhere... - Ian

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[SLE] update repository
by Michal Hlavac 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hello, I could not find URL of official update repository??? thanks, miso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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RE: [opensuse] updating 10.1
by Mike Dzikowski 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

This is open source software folks, lets not forget. Mike D. -----Original Message----- From: MetricUS [mailto:metricus@web.de] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:55 PM To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] updating 10.1 If 9.3 is the only SUSE release that works that all those "people at SUSE" should go home! regards Metricus On Tuesday 30 May 2006 14:17, Andreas Hanke wrote: > Hi, > > MetricUS schrieb: > > Can you at least recommend me a distro that actually works? > > You already mentioned one yourself in your very own post... > > Andreas Hanke > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For > additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help(a)opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help(a)opensuse.org

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openSUSE Status Meeting 2006/05/30
by Henne Vogelsang 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. It was held on Tuesday 2006/05/30 18:00 CEST (16:00 GMT) Minutes: Status SUSE Linux 10.1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Andreas answered the questions posted in the Q/A section. Some were about the package management and Andreas asured everybody that the issues [1] are beeing worked on. A test repository is already available and after fixing one more bug it will be released as online update. Delta-RPMs are currently not supported but once this is fixed we will have another update to the package management stack. Then there was a question if the current update that is in the pipe contained performance enhancements for zmd. Andreas said that there are a couple of fixes that lead to enhanced performance but that poerformance in general is another thing that has to be worked on next. It was agreeed upon that we need to continue the discussion on opensuse-factory about the stack. The other round of questions was about future developments in SUSE Linux 10.2. First if the current design of having 2 rather independend ways of handling packages (yast/libzypp and zmd/libzypp [2]) be kept of if there are attempts to merge those two together. Andreas said that this is currently one of the topics we discuss on opensuse-factory and that he didnt knew what was the result yet. Also the question was asked how we plan to tackle windows vista which will be roughly released at the same time as SUSE Linux 10.2. Andreas said that he sees that the GNOME and KDE communitys and of course the openSUSE people that participate in them are the teams that continue the work on this. Now with 10.1 we need to take a step back and see whether the changes we did are beneficial to the users and how to continue from there. During this someone asked when we can expect GNOME 2.14.x for stable releases like 10.1. jpr said that we definately 2.16.x for 10.2 and that we'll probably put 2.15.x in to factory sometime around the end of june and follow the unstable tree from then on. Adrian and Andreas said that the GNOME team is already working on providing the newest packages in the build service. The next question was about XGL and KDE integration in 10.2. Beineri confirmed that there were no concrete plans for anything 10.2 related yet in that direction but that the KDE community is probably already working on that. mmj raised the question if there are any developments in running compiz as standalone windowmanager. jpr explained the plugin system of compiz then. cb400f asekd if somebody's feelings would be hurt if a wikipage was set up about issues in 10.1. Everybody agreed that we need to be very open about the issues and learn from them. Marcus pointed out that there already is such a page (Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs [3]) and cb400f said that he will expand that. The status LiveDVD was discussed and Andreas said that we are working on it but that he didnt knew an ETA yet. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Issues [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Zmd [3] http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs Status build service ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Adrian announced that, despite that it is in alpha phase, we will use the build service for the supplementary trees now. This means we do run it already in production mode from the point of the end-user. Interessting projects which get build there currently are * KDE:KDE3 (contains already 3.5.3) * KDE:Backports (contains updated KDE apps without the need to update also the complete KDE (big advantage)) * OSCAR cluster software * groupware software (Kolab, OX, eGroupWare) * Apache + php * Kernel Supplementarry dirs for KDE and misc got removed on ftp.suse.com already. Gnome will follow. "Daily" updates get logged on the build service news page [1] from today on. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/News Lizard pictures for SUSE Linux 10.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ michl announced that we have our first Alpha around the 15th of June and now need a codename and picture. The codename will be again some kind of lizard - therefore, if you have a nice photo of a lizard and can name the lizard, please contact myself (michl(a)suse.de) and Andreas (aj(a)suse.de) - and add something to http://en.opensuse.org/LizardPictures. Q&A Session ~~~~~~~~~~~ Most of the questions from the Q/A section got answered in the first topic so we opened up for topics people wanted to talk about. houghi asked about the wiki redesign and everybody agreeed that we need to stop discussing this and just do it. cboltz asked if the slides from LinuxTag be published on opensuse.org. Sonja took that action item (#179950). Transcript of this meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2006-05-30/transcript

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INIT: No inittab file found
by Sergey Mkrtchyan 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi all, I am really very surprized but at booting my Linux says "INIT: No inittab file found" and suggests me to choose a runlevel. I choosed runlevel s, and after a checking there is really no inittab file in my /etc/ folder. I haven't done anything "illegal", just was playing with the initscripts and everything was fine, and for sure it is immpossible that I have removed it by mistake. Any suggestions? Regards, -- Sergey Mkrtchyan Scientific Researcher Department of Molecular Physics, Faculty of Physics, Yerevan State University Tel: (374-10) 55-43-41 Fax: (374-10) 57-76-89

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/proc/kcore eating up space in my root FS
by Digvijoy Chatterjee 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

I am badly running out of space in my root FS ,and after running a find for files greater >100M i found a single culprit .../proc/kcore..is there anyway to rid myself of this file ?? Regards Digz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [root@spiti ~]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 1012M 885M 76M 93% / /dev/sda3 99M 12M 83M 12% /boot none 1014M 0 1014M 0% /dev/shm /dev/sda7 494M 143M 327M 31% /tmp /dev/sda5 23G 7.5G 14G 36% /usr /dev/sda8 494M 99M 370M 21% /var /dev/sda10 29G 4.0G 24G 15% /backup-space /dev/sda2 12G 7.2G 4.1G 64% /home [root@spiti ~]# du -sch /proc/kcore 817M /proc/kcore 817M total

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new at wireless configuration
by Ricardo Rodríguez - XEN 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi all, I am afraid I am a bit of a mess trying to install a wireless device in my plain old Toshiba S1900-203 running Open SuSE 10.1. I've installed the OS from the scratch through Internet. Both a Linksys #[WPC54G v2] and a Conceptronic Wireless 54Mbps USB 2.0 adapter were connected to the PC during installation. None of them was detected by the installation process, thus I'm connected to the net with the onboard ethernet card that is running fine. lspci -n lists the card with an pciID 104c:9066 that I can easily find at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List. Nothing about the USB device so I'm guessing some kind of controller must be installed prior to being able to see it. I've installed ndiswrapper related packages from the online source. ndiswrapper lists No driver installed what I'm guessing is a regular situation as far as I've installed nothing but the ndiswrapper packages. Before going ahead and trying to install Windows drivers for the Linksys card I would like to understand the iwconfig output: -- Last login: Tue May 30 13:53:31 2006 Have a lot of fun... citlali:~ # iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. sit0 no wireless extensions. citlali:~ # -- As far as I can understand, lo and eth0 are the local loopback and the onboard ethernet interface. Please, 1. what sit0 does stand for? 2. is this what is expected to get from a iwconfig considering no wireless driver is loaded 3. what do I need to install/use the Conceptronic USB Wireless adapter? Thank you very much for your help, Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez XEN, Resources Management

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Re: [SLE] new at wireless configuration
by Ricardo Rodríguez - XEN 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

>But that is exactly what you need to do, install the "windows" driver >using ndiswrapper for the linksys card to work. There are no native >drivers in 10.1 (nor 10.0). > >As root: > >ndiswrapper -i <driver>.inf (found on the CD) >ndiswrapper -m >modprobe ndiswrapper >ndiswrapper -l (should show the installed driver) > >I would also add ndiswrapper to the MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT="" line >in /etc/sysconfig/kernel to have the driver loaded during boot. > >-- >Ken Schneider >UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 It worked! Thanks. As stated in a previous message, the complete -i line is ndiswrapper -i LSTINDS.INF.Once I've added ndiswrapper to MODULES_LOAD_ON_BOOT, the power led greened at boot time. Now, the iwconfig output looks like this: -- citlali:~ # iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:54 Mb/s Tx-Power:10 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 RTS thr:4096 B Fragment thr:4096 B Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 sit0 no wireless extensions. citlali:~ # -- Thus I have added the network card by using YaST>Network Devices>Network Cards>Traditional Method with ifup>Add and choosing new Wireless PCMCIA card. After restarting the computer, power led is green at startup, but it seems that no wireless link is established. After adding the PCMCIA wireless card, the iwconfig output is not exactly the same: no access point is associated with wlan0, but a nichname appears -- citlali:~ # iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"citlali" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power:10 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 RTS thr=4096 B Fragment thr=4096 B Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 sit0 no wireless extensions. citlali:~ # -- Please, how could I debug/solve this issue? Once again, thanks for your help, Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez XEN, Resources Management

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