May 2003 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [SLE] Serial ATA drives, controllers
by Quinlan, Grant 05 May '03

05 May '03

I haven't tried any serial ATA yet, but I know that the specs on the HighPoint controller look good, and I have had a very good experience with their RocketRAID 404 (ATA133x8) controller. Only issue with the controller was that they are slow about keeping the driver binaries on the web site up to date, so I had to download their source and build my own driver. My one other issue was that when SuSE switched from LILO to GRUB they did not provide any decent documentation on the differences and issues, so I had a real hard time with getting the RAID drivers loaded such that I could boot off the RAID disks (it wasn't hard once I figured out what needed to be done). Grant Q -----Original Message----- From: Greg Freemyer [mailto:freemyer@NorcrossGroup.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:08 AM To: Adam Kimball; suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: re: [SLE] Serial ATA drives, controllers

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SRPM of Zope 2.6.1 (SuSE 8.2.)
by Marcus Schopen 05 May '03

05 May '03

Hi, may be an unusual question: is here anyone who can send me the SOURCE RPM of the zope pakage from SuS 8.2.? I'd like to compare my own Zope RPM pakage spec file with the spec file of the newest version to see what changed. Thanks for helping Marcus -- Marcus Schopen (0> P.O. Box 10 25 25 //\ Deutsche Zope User Group D-33525 Bielefeld V_/_ www.dzug.org

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Re: [SLE] OT: BRU mail list?
by John LeMay 05 May '03

05 May '03

> Did tolis come though. A friend gave me a copy from a trade show since > he already bought one. > I would be interested as well. Hi Carl, Kind of. There will be another BRU user list from what I've been told. They are working on some mail server upgrades apparently and once those are done there should be a list. -- John LeMay KC2KTH Senior Enterprise Consultant NJMC | http://www.njmc.com | Phone 732-557-4848 Specializing in Microsoft and Unix based solutions

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Internet Explorer's dumbest bug ever revealed(OT)
by Fred A. Miller 05 May '03

05 May '03

On Monday 05 May 2003 2:15 am, Curtis Rey wrote: > On Saturday 03 May 2003 21:08, Fred A. Miller wrote: > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9288 > > > > -- > > "DRM.. Digitally Retarded Media. That's exactly what it is - content > > that cannot reach its full potential because of artificial restraints." > > -Paul Rickard > > Oh my <expletive deleted> God. Are you serious <input type pick a word> is > all it takes to bring IE, Outluck, an-afrontPage, etc.. down. Oh dear. I > just crashed about a 1000 some programs. (lol). > > Nice, Fred. ;-) > > Cheers, Curtis. > > P.S. I can't stop snickering! Hehehehehe........you're not alone! LookOut, LookOut Express and Web Explorer are simply VERY BADLY coded apps. I don't think that simply patching and repatching any of them will ever solve all of the problems. Once again.....bad design is bad design, and bad code is bad code. MickySoft has those markets captive! Fred -- "DRM.. Digitally Retarded Media. That's exactly what it is - content that cannot reach its full potential because of artificial restraints." -Paul Rickard

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Funky characters in email
by jrn＠oregonhanggliding.com 05 May '03

05 May '03

Hello again, I use ELM and occasionally I get emails that have strings that look like this =20D =30D etc. What is happening? Is there something I can do about this? Is it a deficiency in ELM? Thanks, Jim

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Re: [SLE] libXm.so.2?
by Robert Schwedler 05 May '03

05 May '03

I'm using kde. Sorry can't help you with gnome since I have never used it, only the apps. I have tied other ways in kde to upgrade opera, yast rpm -Uvh, rpm --nodeps, etc.. Opera's web site says install with --nodeps because libxm.so.2 is only for plugins but that didn't work for me. Try using kde for this? I don't know what the difference between clicking on it and rpm -Uvh is. Still a relative newbie. On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 20:23, Dennis Tuchler wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 12:56, Robert Schwedler wrote: > > You don't really need it. Yast will link it to libXm.so.3? when you > > install it. At least that's what it did for me. But I had to install > > it by going to the directory it was in an click on it. Then click on > > the "Install Package with YAST" button. This is how I installed the > > static version. I do have openmotif installed from 8.2, assuming you're > > using 8.2. I don't use it that much but it seems to work fine. > > Good luck! > > Thanks for your prompt response! > > Are you using Gnome or KDE? I'm using Gnome and have no idea of how to > get Yast started with the package. > > Thanks > > > > > On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 17:27, Dennis Tuchler wrote: > > > Where can I find libXm.so.2? Id does not appear to be part of the SuSE > > > package I purchased. I need it to load Opera 6.12. > > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > > -- > > > Dennis Tuchler <dtuchler(a)earthlink.net> > > >

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Can I install just the firewall?
by Tom Nielsen 05 May '03

05 May '03

I have an old firewall computer setup on RH 7.0 (like I said, it's old, I did it a long time ago!) and used IP chains (or tables...what ever the old style was), but it's been working fine. I'd like to change it over to SuSE and make it just a firewall box. Can I do this with 8.2? 8.0 had a firewall install option, but I didn't notice it in 8.2. Thanks, Tom

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SuSE and x10 integration?
by VANTASSLE, GEORDON M (SBCSI) 05 May '03

05 May '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know if SuSE has x10 software available on the install media? I know I can get it from Sorceforge, but wondered if SuSE had it "set up" already. Thanks! - -- Regards, Geordon M. VanTassle Technical Architect SBC, Call Center Technologies * phone: 847-781-3063 * pager: 630-695-0007 * text page:6306950007@paging.acswireless.com <mailto:6306950007@paging.acswireless.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 Comment: This message signed to ensure authenticity. iQA/AwUBPrbE7BnDT1v4QosXEQKdtwCgtR5b/A71FYyYyd/eAE4xE1ubQVwAn0Vc VIm6DWsrU/1MurvYbQx0/s78 =KXUl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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OT and kinda long
by John 05 May '03

05 May '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey gang, Got my latest Langalist letter in today, and I'm still fuming a little bit. I've been at it with Fred about his statements about Linux for about a half a year now, and he just don't seem to want to listen. This latest letter though, sort of got to me, because as *I* see it, he's still naysaying Linux, plus he's really misleading the readers of his letter about what should and shouldn't be used, *especially* for newbies to Linux. I wrote him a letter before making this one to put in here. I offered to send him my 4 CD's from my 8.2 *and* a 10GB HDD, so he can actually see what a Linux desktop is and how easy it is to use and that 'grandma' *can* use it. I'll let the list here know if he takes me up on my offer. Meanwhile, here's the part of his letter dealing with Linux. Make your own conclusions. [langalist] LangaList Standard Edition 2003-05-05 From: langalist_standard_edition(a)langa.com To: Yonaton You are currently subscribed as: Yonaton ADDRESS CHANGE / OTHER PROBLEMS: See info at the end of this note. LangaList: ISSN 1533-1156. Advertising rates and info available at http://www.langa.com/ratecard.htm . Questions about the advertisers? See the end of this note. Please also see the legal info at the end of this note. Please email the LangaList to a friend! See http://www.langa.com/recommend.htm ! Want the HTML edition (and more) delivered right to your mailbox? See <a href=" http://www.langa.com/plus.htm ">this.</a> To read it online, click <a href=" http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-05-05.htm ">here</a> The LangaList Standard Edition 2003-05-05 A Free Email Newsletter from Fred Langa That Helps You Get More From Your Hardware, Software, and Time Online Please visit our sponsors and help keep the LangaList S.E. free! Contents: 1) Getting the Right Linux Footprint 2) Failed Updates 3) Amazingly Tiny, Free Bayesian Spam Filter 4) Where To Put The OS In 2-Drive PCs? 5) Web Pages Not Updating? 6) Is This Information Useful? 7) DVD Alphabet Soup 8) WebRing For Code-Loaders 9) More Free Software for All Your Needs 10) Just For Grins 11) Plus! Edition Highlights: Tons Of Free Spellcheckers Admin Tools Shortcuts Free Windows Media Player Alternative <snip an ad> 1) Getting the Right Linux Footprint For all its advances in other areas, the Linux setup process has long been a major obstacle to the operating system's wider acceptance. In fact, until quite recently, installing Linux was like a trip back in time: Forget graphical interfaces. All too often, a Linux install was and still is either fully or mostly a text-based operation, although some of the screens might be dressed up a bit with colored backgrounds or multicolored text. For example, Slackware 9.0--- the most-current release of that popular Linux distribution--- sets up entirely through myriad screens of DOS-style colored text, like software from the mid- 1980s. Primitive? You bet. Forget auto-detection of hardware. Despite the fact that today's hardware is capable of identifying itself fully and openly to any software that knows how to ask, Linux still often requires that you know, in advance, the brands and models--- and sometimes, even exact model numbers--- of the video card, network card, audio card, (etc.) in your system. If you pick the wrong driver, you might end up having to perform the entire installation over, from scratch. (In my office, you can tell the Linux boxes: They're the ones with the hardware cheat sheets taped to their sides, so I won't have to try to remember minutia such as which subspecies of network card is in a particular PC.) Yes, many current Linux distributions now at least take a shot at identifying your hardware, but the installation routine often still will stop--- unsure of itself--- and ask for confirmation that its guess was correct. For example, even the most recent version of Red Hat--- 9.0, "Shrike," which otherwise has one of the most-polished installation interfaces there is in the Linux world--- still does this. Primitive? You bet. There are other items, too, including this: In most standard Linux setups, one of the earliest stages of installation is the repartitioning of the hard drive and the fundamental altering of the way the system boots. This isn't a problem in the sense of something being wrong--- almost all OSes want the hard drive partitioned in the OSes native format--- but this step alone prevents many potential Linux users from ever trying the OS because it puts the user's current setup at risk. We've covered some alternatives in recent issues--- Linux distributions that can install into a working Windows setup without gumming up the works; complete setups on single, self-activating CDs that likewise change nothing on the host systems; and so on. In fact, I've practically melted my cable modem to slag, what with all the downloads I've been doing of various Linux distributions, looking especially at "small footprint" (almost nothing copied to the hard drive, no or minimal system changes) and "zero footprint" (nothing to the hard drive, no system changes at all) options. They're interesting in themselves, but they're also important because these "zero/small footprint" Linuxes also have *great* installation routines, some of which work with absolutely no user intervention required at all. When this becomes common in the Linux world--- when you can just pop in a Linux setup CD and automatically have a working, fully-configured system ready to run a few minutes later--- the last major obstacle to Linux's wider acceptance will fall away, and we'll have a whole new ballgame. I've picked the top three small- and zero-footprint Linux distributions from among all I've seen so far, and made them the focus of a new InformationWeek column that's available now at http://www.informationweek.com/938/langa.htm . I'll go into those three in some details, and also provide links to literally dozens of others you can try--- all for free. Come check it out! - -- A butterfly is: Pretty,soft,harmless...and useless, just like M$N. My Penguin eats butterflies. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+tn8kH5oDXyLKXKQRAg47AKCAeL7I0zNsfnwyWLLkwDq9fvwvoACfQycr spg0FzJqmP7OcSdxcK7LnVk= =io5H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Network wont work when gateway is on another subnet.
by webbie 05 May '03

05 May '03

I am trying to set up a box on my connection but it just wont work. When i have added my details and try to start networking i get this answer: ifup-route: Command 'ip route replace to default via 192.168.1.1' returned: ifup-route: . "RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable" ifup-route: Configuration line: default 192.168.1.1 - - ifup-route: This needs NOT to be AN ERROR if you set up multiple interfaces. ifup-route: See 'man 5 routes' how to avoid this warning. But my ip is 192.168.2.1 (its something else ofcourse but so you get the idea), it seems that when the gateway is on another subnet, in this case 192.168.2 instead of 192.168.2 it just freaks with that comment. Im getting kinda annoyed because it works with XP but i want to convince my grand parents that linux and suse is the right way to go. What should be done? Changing ip or gateway ip is not an option, is there something that you have to do with routes or such? - Per

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