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Linux on DRM, for those who haven't read this.(OT)
by Fred A. Miller 01 May '03

01 May '03

Ok, there's no way to do this gracefully, so I won't even try. I'm going to just hunker down for some really impressive extended flaming, and my asbestos underwear is firmly in place, and extremely uncomfortable. I want to make it clear that DRM is perfectly ok with Linux! There, I've said it. I'm out of the closet. So bring it on... I've had some private discussions with various people about this already, and I do realize that a lot of people want to use the kernel in some way to just make DRM go away, at least as far as Linux is concerned. Either by some policy decision or by extending the GPL to just not allow it. In some ways the discussion was very similar to some of the software patent related GPL-NG discussions from a year or so ago: "we don't like it, and we should change the license to make it not work somehow". And like the software patent issue, I also don't necessarily like DRM myself, but I still ended up feeling the same: I'm an "Oppenheimer", and I refuse to play politics with Linux, and I think you can use Linux for whatever you want to - which very much includes things I don't necessarily personally approve of. The GPL requires you to give out sources to the kernel, but it doesn't limit what you can _do_ with the kernel. On the whole, this is just another example of why rms calls me "just an engineer" and thinks I have no ideals. [ Personally, I see it as a virtue - trying to make the world a slightly better place _without_ trying to impose your moral values on other people. You do whatever the h*ll rings your bell, I'm just an engineer who wants to make the best OS possible. ] In short, it's perfectly ok to sign a kernel image - I do it myself indirectly every day through the kernel.org, as kernel.org will sign the tar-balls I upload to make sure people can at least verify that they came that way. Doing the same thing on the binary is no different: signing a binary is a perfectly fine way to show the world that you're the one behind it, and that _you_ trust it. And since I can imaging signing binaries myself, I don't feel that I can disallow anybody else doing so. Another part of the DRM discussion is the fact that signing is only the first step: _acting_ on the fact whether a binary is signed or not (by refusing to load it, for example, or by refusing to give it a secret key) is required too. But since the signature is pointless unless you _use_ it for something, and since the decision how to use the signature is clearly outside of the scope of the kernel itself (and thus not a "derived work" or anything like that), I have to convince myself that not only is it clearly ok to act on the knowledge of whather the kernel is signed or not, it's also outside of the scope of what the GPL talks about, and thus irrelevant to the license. That's the short and sweet of it. I wanted to bring this out in the open, because I know there are people who think that signed binaries are an act of "subversion" (or "perversion") of the GPL, and I wanted to make sure that people don't live under mis-apprehension that it can't be done. I think there are many quite valid reasons to sign (and verify) your kernel images, and while some of the uses of signing are odious, I don't see any sane way to distinguish between "good" signers and "bad" signers. Comments? I'd love to get some real discussion about this, but in the end I'm personally convinced that we have to allow it. Btw, one thing that is clearly _not_ allowed by the GPL is hiding private keys in the binary. You can sign the binary that is a result of the build process, but you can _not_ make a binary that is aware of certain keys without making those keys public - because those keys will obviously have been part of the kernel build itself. So don't get these two things confused - one is an external key that is applied _to_ the kernel (ok, and outside the license), and the other one is embedding a key _into_ the kernel (still ok, but the GPL requires that such a key has to be made available as "source" to the kernel). Linus -- "DRM.. Digitally Retarded Media. That's exactly what it is - content that cannot reach its full potential because of artificial restraints." -Paul Rickard

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Access to port denied
by jrn＠oregonhanggliding.com 01 May '03

01 May '03

Hello all: I have a 3Ware Escalade RAID card that comes with some monitoring and control software that allows a user to connect via an HTTP connection to port 1080. I have the 3Dm service running, but when I try to browse to localhost:1080 I get a message saying that Access has been denied to this port due to security reasons ( something like that ). Anybody know how to turn off security on that port? Thanks, Jim

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what is max file size for .mbx files?
by Oskar Teran 01 May '03

01 May '03

hello, What is the max. file size for an .mbx file? The reason is that there are some users who have huge email files. They tell me they need to keep them for various reasons ( legal, in case someone calls back for old drawings [engineers]..etc.) So....what is the max or a safe max file size to let a .mbx file get to? And more importantly, what is the wise or recommended thing to do once it reaches that size? I recall seeing someone post something about dbmail.org. This seems like a good idea....but what do the people with heavy mail server experience have to say? I would think that the best thing for large mail stores is to use a database.....oracle comes to mind with their collaboration suite. I'm not suggesting to use oracle as a database for emails.....dbmail or something like that would probably be a more logical choice. Thanks, Oskar

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Bonnie++ Benchmarks
by jrn＠oregonhanggliding.com 01 May '03

01 May '03

Hell all: I recently was curious about my drive performance so I installed and ran bonnie++. Do the numbers below look pretty decent or no? jrn@falcon:~/bonnie++-1.03a> bonnie++ -s 2016 Writing with putc()...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files in random order...done. Delete files in random order...done. Version 1.03 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP falcon 2016M 14273 93 94205 61 31881 11 15881 90 65077 12 442.4 1 ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 14027 97 +++++ +++ 15264 97 17292 97 +++++ +++ 14140 94 falcon,2016M,14273,93,94205,61,31881,11,15881,90,65077,12,442.4,1,16,14027,97,+++++,+++,15264,97,17292,97,+++++,+++,14140,94 Thanks, Jim

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RE: [SLE] Pro Office CD patch update on 8.2
by Cleary_Mike＠emc.com 01 May '03

01 May '03

Sorry for the late response, but I've been in a linux system administration class all week. The class is using Red Hat, but WTH, the company is paying for it...:) The workaround you pointed me to for Pro Office on 8.2 worked like a charm! Thanks! Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Cleary_Mike(a)emc.com ----------------------------------------------------- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barnes [mailto:j10152@amigo.net] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:22 PM To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Pro Office CD patch update on 8.2 On Sunday 27 April 2003 08:56 pm, Cleary_Mike(a)emc.com wrote: > I apologize if this has already appeared on the list, but I don't remember > seeing it. Has anyone gotten the patch CD update for Pro Office to work on > 8.2? I have a CDRW and a DVD drive on my box, and I can't get it to work > in either one. No matter which drive I use, or which directory I try, all > I get is "Initialization Failed: Make sure you have the right CD inserted." > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > Try this workaround, it is specified for 8.1 but should work for 8.2 also. http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/hmeyer_prooffice_81.html -- Jim Barnes -- Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long -- SuSE linux 8.0, 2.4.18-4GB, KMail 1.4 -- 8:59pm up 7:49, 5 users, load average: 0.95, 1.01, 1.06 > > TIA, > > > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > > Cleary_Mike(a)emc.com > > ------------------------------- > > A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse. -- Jim Barnes -- Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long -- SuSE linux 8.0, 2.4.18-4GB, KMail 1.4 -- 9:20pm up 8:10, 5 users, load average: 1.04, 0.84, 0.91 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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re: [SLE] anyone know of a free mswindows xwindows server
by Greg Freemyer 01 May '03

01 May '03

Cygwin has included Xfree86 for a year or so. http://www.cygwin.com/xfree/ Seems to work, but I found it very slow and quit using it. (I had a laptop I was trying it on. Acceptable on a better PC??) I believe the above provides both x-server and x-client capabilities. I have only tested it as a pure x-server. I was using SuSE as the x-client. --- Sorry to be pedantic, but ... Definition of X-windows server: A platform for providing display-processing, display, keyboard, and mouse. Definition of X-windows client: A platform for running apps which interface to a x-windows server. Greg -- Greg Freemyer >> I need to port xwindows programs to a mswindows box. And I already know >> about vncserver - that won't work for our setup. >> thanks >> joe baptista >> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god

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Re: [SLE] change login message
by Avi Schwartz 01 May '03

01 May '03

You are absolutely correct, I did not read the whole thread, but to quote your reply: > That only applies to xdm, not the console. So I added what I thought you did not want to bother yourself to answer. The correct answer is of course /etc/issue but then it was very hard for you to spit it out, right? Avi On Wednesday, Apr 30, 2003, at 14:56 America/Chicago, Christopher Mahmood wrote: > * Avi Schwartz (avi(a)CFFtechnologies.com) [030430 12:51]: >> ...and...??? > > And what? > >> For the console, you can modify /etc/motd > > You really should read the entire thread before responding, > /etc/motd has absolutely nothing to do with what he was asking. > > -- > > -ckm -- Avi Schwartz avi(a)CFFtechnologies.com ''You can turn painful situations around through laughter. If you can find humor in anything, even poverty, you can survive it.'' - Bill Cosby -- Avi Schwartz avi(a)CFFtechnologies.com ''You can turn painful situations around through laughter. If you can find humor in anything, even poverty, you can survive it.'' - Bill Cosby

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Asus A7N8X onboard NICs and 8.2
by Adam Kimball 01 May '03

01 May '03

I know I must be missing something. For a fairly long term Linux user, I'm getting deeply frustrated. I bought this board thinking it had all of the cool features I needed, it does - but apparently it sucks for Linux. I've installed 8.2 and most everything is cool, except for the NICS, which I absolutely can not get running. Of course, I have downloaded the ASUS/Nvidia Linux drivers (suse 8.1, I believe) and installed them (rpm) - no go. Next, the src rpm, wouldn't build, tons of complaints. So, I'm stuck. I've never recompiled a kernel (so maybe I am a newbie, but never had to).. has anyone managed to get this mobo to run on 8.2 with at least one of the two nics (asus nvidia or the 3com). If it is simple, I've screwed up somewhere, if it is complex (i.e. kernel rebuild), I wouldn't know how to do it - so please tailor your response for me (please!). This is my home machine for remote working, and the longer it takes to get the a nic running, the more I sit in the damn office. Much, much thanks and gratitude for anyone taking this question on. -Adam Kimball Oakland, CA

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