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[opensuse] [opensuse-factory] gpg over ssh: decryption failed: No secret key
by Edwin Aponte 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

Hi, If I try to decrypt a file through an ssh connection (from Ubuntu 12.04) to OS Tumbleweed, I get: gpg --require-secmem -d foo.gpg gpg: AES256 encrypted data gpg: cancelled by user gpg: encrypted with 1 passphrase gpg: decryption failed: No secret key but at no moment I am asked for the password. Previously, I just got a password request in "text format". Has any one seen something similar? Thanks, Edwin. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 8 Notes
by ddemaio 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

Hi All, Below is the link to the notes for this week's openSUSE Conference Organizing Meeting. The key topic discussed this week was the keynotes and planned structure. The following is what we currently have planed for aligning the dates: Keynote June 22 - Aaron Seigo or Georg Greve (suggested) June 23 - Frank Karlitschek (Planned) June 24 - Norman Fraser, Ph.D. (Planned) June 25 - Michael Miller (Planned) June 26 - Meeting with the Board (suggested) Structure June 22 - SUSE Labs (suggested)/ SaltStack (suggested)June 23 - oSC16 / ownCloud (confirmed) June 24 - oSC16 / Kolab (suggested) / ownCloud June 25 - oSC16/ Kolab/ ownCloud Meet Up/ CoderDojo (kids program) June 26 - Docker Meetup (suggested) If you have any concerns with the keynote dates or the planned structure, please let me know ASAP. v/r Doug week 8 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 7 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 6 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 5 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 4 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 3 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 2 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… week 1 notes - http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje…

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[opensuse] 13.1 boots after online update, but no login window - fixed
by Roger Price 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

This posting reports a problem and a fix for 13.1 after a YaST Online Update. After the update I rebooted to see the screen decorated with the chameleon but no login window. I run 13.1 on a Dell Precision T7500 using the nvidia driver for the NVIDIA G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] graphics card. uname -a reports: Linux titan 3.12.53-40-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 25 06:26:23 UTC 2016 (b2ce64e) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux /var/log/Xorg.0.log reports: [48.227] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [48.227] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/updates/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [48.301] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [48.301] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [48.301] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [48.315] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your [48.315] (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. Nvidia documentation at /usr/share/doc/packages/x11-video-nvidiaG02/html/commonproblems.html suggests checking dmesg, but neither dmesg nor journalctl -k has anything relevant. I found three possible recovery actions - Recovery Action 1. Site http://gruz.org.ua/en/tech-blog/linux-notes/15-opensuse-13-1-hangs-on-loadi… recommends * Login in Recover mode, go to yast and remove unneded kernels. * Or, as an option, select to boot with the proper kernel version, not with the latest one Recovery Action 2. The opensuse article "NVIDIA drivers no longer working after kernel update" for 13.2 at https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_troubleshooting#NVIDIA_drivers_no_longer… says "If the NVIDIA drivers were installed on openSUSE 13.2 before the kernel was updated to 3.16.7-13-desktop, the driver may no longer work. The reason for that is known and documented in boo#925437. The solution is to reinstall the kernel module used." Bugzilla – Bug 925437 multiple nvidia-*-kmp-* are installed during a kernel update for the same kernel flavour https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925437 /boot contains previous vmlinuz-3.11.10-29-desktop and current vmlinuz-3.12.53-40-desktop. Recovery Action 3. Bugzilla – Bug 925437 Comment 24 Michael Jenkinson 2016-03-10 01:18:00 UTC > This issue has now extended to 13.1 evergreen with todays (08.Mar.16) > kernel update. (Linux 3.12.53-40-desktop openSUSE 13.1 (Bottle) (x86_64) > Likely the same as same symptoms and resolution: > After new kernel install booted to a default low screen resolution. > When I booted back into previous 3.11 kernel all was well > Resolved by forced refresh of all installed NVIDIA drivers via YaST. I choose Recovery Action 3 and attempted a forced refresh of installed NVIDIA drivers using YaST (the ">" option) nvidia-computeG02 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-desktop x11-video-nvidiaG02 xf86-video-nv I rebooted to see the login window. /var/log/Xorg.0.log now reports that module nvidia is correctly loaded. Problem solved. Roger

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[opensuse] How can wlan be enabled?
by oszko＠chem.u-szeged.hu 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

Hi all, I cannot make wifi. Upon booting I have an unsupported splx structure message.This is related to the iwlwifi driver. I followed the advice found on some pages but none of them worked. Rfkill list says: 0: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no 1: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no 3: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: yes ip l says 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 2c:56:dc:bf:08:f3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether 10:02:b5:57:01:07 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff ifconfig wlan0 up says: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill How can I enapble wifi. The chip is recognized by lspci. Thanks, Albert ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Where Is Wayland?
by Xen 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

Per Jessen schreef op 29-03-16 20:00: > Xen wrote: > >> If I am allowed to say anything: >> >> Per Jessen schreef op 29-03-16 19:21: >>> sdm wrote: >>> >>>> The fact that Wayland barely works and X is a hodge-podge disaster >>>> based on code from 1983, just further prooves that Linux (and this >>>> includes openSUSE) on the desktop, when we're comparing graphics and >>>> GUI's, is behind Windows and has a LONG way to go until it's >>>> "feature complete" on on par with Windows. >>> Why bother comparing? If you like Windows, use it, if you like >>> Linux, use it. I've been running my business without Windows for >>> about ten years. >> What if you don't like any of them and want the one you like most to >> be improved? > Then you've got to go there and try to help/promote it. That's what he's doing. And you're trying to shut it down. >> That's the same argument as "If you don't like this country, you don't >> have to live in it". It's another form of saying "GTFO if you don't >> care about us". It is a selfish act to say something like that. The >> person who says that is usually fully aware that life somewhere else >> is not going to be better. > He ought to complain and then start helping improving his own situation. His own situation is dependent on the situation of Linux (and everything else in the world). We are not isolated puppets living meaningless lives. If we improve Linux we improve our own lives. If we want to start improving stuff, we often have to get other heads turning in our direction as well. We often need the help and support of other people, or at least the willingness to do so. Linux was not created by a single person. Then it is completely stupid to suggest that if anyone wants to improve it, he has to do it alone. The only thing you can do on your own, is not very much at all. That's why you reach out to people. Complaining is part of the solution. >> WHY CRITICISE not only what he says, but also his act of saying it? > Because ANY COMPARISON with Windows is pointless. Maybe 10-15 years ago, > but not anymore. Linux is alive and kicking, running most of the > world's servers, not to mention the smartphones, and we have multiple > desktop environments to choose from. Today you have little reason for > staying with Windows if you don't want or have to. There _are_ > exceptions, but they are few and far between. (I'm ignoring games). This is just not true and you are not hearing it. People are telling you and then you tell them to shut up (perhaps in less sincere or nicer words). If this is your point of reference to begin with, that what anyone else says is wrong and false, well, then maybe you have been shutting your ears to serious complaints for a long time. BECAUSE you are stifling the act of complaining itself. And hence you claim to be knowing everyone's perspective already, or any perspective that would could or should ever matter..... You are saying "there is no point in complaining, because your experience is wrong, and I already know what I need to hear, which is everything that anyone could ever know or need to hear". No. If someone complains, there is a reason to. It is because he wants you to hear or see something that you are in denial about. Trying to shut people up is exactly what you would do if you were in denial about it. Wrong? You say there are no valid complaints to begin with. How do you know? Do you know everyone's experience? Do you know all there is to know? You do not even have the perspective or the frame of reference to be able to understand this person. All of what you say here is irrelevant. People are not talking about the server world and about Android. And all you have to say about the desktop is "and we have multiple desktop environments to choose from". That is not the hallmark of success. That is the hallmark of poverty, because the only thing you can attest to is a bit of choice, but not any form of quality. If there were, you would have mentioned it. Because the idea or fact (perhaps) that there might be several or even a great many desktop environments that could all be equally as poor, is completely congruent with your statement. Yes I have the choice of 10 types of food, but they are all vegetables coming from Spain. I mean, that is not a statement about quality at all. "Today you have little reason for staying with Windows if you don't want or have to." That's what you think. That's not what the world agrees on. And no, that is not just because of bad promotion or bad publicity. You really think that? Jeez. Wake up. Get a life. It is not what I think. The only reason I came to Linux today is because of Calligra. Yes at this moment I have Kubuntu 16.04 installed here as the only OS. Things I have lost: - pretty environment - ability to play some games - usually no worries about permissions with whatever I do in my own system - superior ability to encrypt using TrueCrypt - overall comfort in being able to do whatever I want - some favourite tools (Irfanview) - problem free existence with regards to the common operation of the OS Things I have gained: - Calligra - more useful for me to use Steam OS (environment) - ..... - not sure what else, there are no other advantages for me presently. Things I have also gained: - a lot of headaches - I have cried because of this system - Dolphin kept crashing when I opened its settings, and when it did open, the settings I needed were no longer there, but are now KDE wide apparently -- or at least located there, which I had to find out by way of IRC - it is easier to use IRC on Linux - it took me at least 20 minutes to get my sound working - the operating system doesn't play any sounds when you log in or exit, which is disconcerting to me and makes me feel alienated and isolated - I have spent at least a day setting this system up and it will take much longer - Linux in general requires much more investment in getting the system you want. Investing seems to be what you do on Linux. - Steam works, but it took me several hours to get my first game running (due to nVidia driver bug) - Steam works, but it took me at least half an hour longer to get my second game running (due to nVidia driver bug) - the third game runs in Wine (POL) but renders my system inoperational as X.org uses 100% CPU of one core. - it keeps pestering me with updates. I have now hidden the update icon. - overall I feel horrid because everything is so ugly. - one other benefit is Clementine - there are all these Akonadi apps, but I stay away from them as far as I can. - I am currently writing something in LibreOffice, but I think it is hideous too, I have a real hard time finding anything I can write in (Wordpad on Windows works best thus far, and I use BlueGriffon) - lack of a good writing environment is one of the biggest problems in my life. Maybe the only one. - I wanted to develop for Calligra, but it didn't work out in my life personally. - Most and any or all wikis are also usually quite hideous with their themes. Doesn't compare to any popular WordPress theme at ALL. - Here is a quote from someone some time ago on #kubuntu chat: "And my wife is incapable of using linux even though I don't understand why. It's not like Facebook is any different on here." - The only reason samba (eventually) works better on Linux is because of a bug in Windows. (and I kinda like the places in Dolphin). [[ It is now possible in my KDE to "add a network folder" but it doesn't seem to add it anywhere persistent. I do not see it in my mounts. It is not possible to user-mount something in a user-tree, like you can (ostensibly) do in Windows without it asking for administrative rights ]]. But after you've set it up in fstab ---- not something you can expect an ordinary user to do ---- it is very pleasant and always available. However, bla. - even something like Firefox is less visually appealing (at least in Breeze) than on Windows - I have changed my theme to Air because it is the only thing that will actually honour the Oxygen icons - I am not doing anything meaningful yet in this system except bitch with people on mailinglists about Linux. Whenever I use Linux, 50% of my time seems to go into using Linux or talking about Linux. Whenver I am using Windows, 5% of my time goes into using Windows or talking about Windows. Linux is a great waste of time for me if it doesn't amount to anything tangible. And thus far, it has been investment and more investment, but it doesn't allow me to meet girls ;-). Windows is bliss except for the current day problems. And I don't care so much more about or for Windows when it comes to development. When I was young, I was a Delphi developer. I don't care about .NET, I don't care about C#, I don't care about Delphi.NET. I don't care so much (or at all) about making Windows applications. Been there, done that. I care about Java (or at least I used to) and I care about PHP (or at least I used to). I might get to care about Python (or at least that was my planning). All of these things you can do on Linux and sometimes or perhaps you can do them better here. I don't like the Windows PowerShell. But I do like Bash for the most part. In general I really like Bash. So it is not about Windows vs. Linux for me. That's like having to choose between your father and your mother, but only one of them. Windows has perks, and Linux has perks. But usually Windows has more of them, depending on what I am doing in my life at that particular moment. I hate dual booting and I'm trying virtualisation these last times but I don't have enough RAM on this system and not enough money to buy it. I may want to try to achieve KVM with graphics-card-passthrough. It is possible to run Windows in KVM with 100% performance on the graphics card, kinda provided you have two monitors ..... :S. No, you need a monitor that can be dual-attached. You put Linux on the onboard GPU, and then you put Windows on the discrete GPU, and then you switch input on the monitor. Then you don't have to bother with gaming in Linux in that sense. Anyway. - So just to summarize for ME: - Windows plusses: + pretty + games + easy - Linux plusses: + ugly (so you can improve it) + development + experimenting with different OS setups + a slight few applications - Windows minuses: - not really any - present day Windows does not have much advantage to me except the app store, being connected - Windows 8 is terrible with memory management - Windows 10 is not dependable - I don't use any of the new features except OneDrive - there is a bug in mounting shares that is terribly annoying - permission management is often a nightmare if you want to change anything in C:\Program Files - System Restore is unpredictable - the tools in the setup DVD for system recovery are horrible - they don't even work if you have rebooted your system instead of shutting down (flagged FS) - BitLocker is nonsense and TrueCrypt is not getting developed - software raid is equally as stupid as in Linux, and I think even more so. - the installer has been dumbed down as to not being able to create good partitions anymore. That said, Windows is a stable platform even if Microsoft is trying to ruin it, and the Windows 10 user interface is not bad at all if only the problems would go away. If I had to pick any interface for daily use it would probably be Windows 10 provided it actually keeps working. Next in line would probably be KDE, although I don't mind using Windows 8, it's just not very helpful what they did to it. - on Windows 8 apparently you can't use OneDrive while having a local account, but I know that at least on Windows 10 you can. - upgrades are free, but I am still not sure how well you can use Windows 10 on completely new systems starting from a Windows 7/8 license. This kinda bugs your ability to create Windows 10 images (starting from those licenses). So it should be clear that I am not either Windows or either Linux. I would never choose Linux for purely OS use, but I don't know. If it is not about programming (or system design) to ME there is little benefit to Linux for the average user. Linux has ALWAYS been a place where people can design the shit they want. And universities use it for that. But universities generally do not use it for regular normal-computer-person courses. In general I believe any university will still have Windows boxes on most of its systems if it can afford it. There is just no /REASON/ to go with Linux other than perhaps the cost. For an every day user it HAS no benefits. Like, what is it doing better than Windows? What is it doing better than MacOS? I see 99% detriment and 1% advantage. And that balance might shift the more you become a computer expert or programmer or system's designer. So you really need to be a computer engineer to use Linux in the first place. And you can say that's not true but regular folk just don't become interested out of their own appraisal just like that. That's not an issue with promotion. It is an issue with not having any feeling for actual user experience, graphics design, and all of that. The problem is not what people say about Linux. (Well in a general sense the problem is what Linux fanboys say about Linux). (Which is not what it is). But the problem is simply that there is 80-95% attention on BAD technical designs (I might add!) -- 80-95% of the "LOVE" goes into making stuff that in practice and in principle performs some function, and 5-20% is directed to actually making it work well, or to be user-friendly, or to actually be nice, or to actually be pretty, or to actually be something that will work longer than 2 years. >> Why are you trying to disrupt what he does, or rather, why are you >> trying to place doubt in it, why are you questioning his motives, why >> are you assuming bad motives here? > I'm doing neither, I just think measuring Linux against Windows belongs > in the past. And this is then reason to obstruct what he is trying to do by not helping but instead raising questions and criticism as to what he is doing. That's like saying "Hey, can I get a burger?" and then someone that sells the burgers says "Why do you even want a burger? I don't get it. Get something else." >> Why are you (and people do this constantly here, in this Linux world >> of ours, not just here on OpenSUSE, everywhere) --- why do you people >> constantly bug everyone who tries to change something? > I apologise, I did not realise the OP was trying to change something. > There is plenty of change going on in openSUSE, often much more than I > would like, but I have to accept it. Well thank you for that. But not all change is good either. In these worlds (I guess OpenSUSE too) what is happening is often what the people in power want to happen, and the people in power are not those who criticise linux, but those who revel in it. I don't like the changes either. I don't like SystemD (hate it to my bones) and I also don't like the design and operation of say NetworkManager. Well these are two big things. I don't like Breeze in KDE. I'm not sure I dislike Plasma 5 and at this point I like it but. You know, I am a person with 2 million good ideas of what I can do to change stuff, or to make it more the way I like it to be. In principle I have no lack of business ideas either. If conditions were in any way more to my benefit (at least the way I see it) or more factually, amenable to currently (or at all in my life) doing the things I really want to do.... I mean I have absolutely no shortage of projects ever that I know would actually improve stuff for myself and for many many people around me. But what Linux is doing is working against me today, for the largest part, from what I can see and perceive now. To the point that I think my missions and objectives are becoming unattainable or untenable. >> Why are you constantly trying to break down every initiative if it >> starts with the slightest of a negative appraisal of the current state >> of affairs? Why do you do that? WHY? > Which initiative are you referring to here? It can be anything really. Me myself, I have ideas to improve: - the FHS or at least the file/folder structure of Linux - the permissions structure as it relates to group permissions not actually being used. - the default setup of a lot of things that are not very .... convenient for anyone being a regular user or doing something more along the likes of regular users - the problem (relating to point 2) that really using your linux system means being root most of the time - I can really improve any application that has a bad interface, no biggy. - perchance, even the backup/restoration abilities of general linux users - a partitioning scheme that is more akin to what Windows has, allowing actual system/data separation - a betterly scoped command line environment more akin to what MS DOS was at the beginning of my time here on this planet more or about - a better boot environment and (more simplistic) before-we-enter-graphics-mode system that actually empowers the user instead of letting him feel helpless, completely helpless with anything - a better model or even actual implementations for server management and other configuration file management especially as it relates to e.g. Apache - numerous, numerous other things. If I was able to achieve all of this, I would be living in complete heaven for myself and many many other people as well. >>>> How much longer are we all going to have to wait, and by that time >>>> how much further ahead will Windows be? >>> Why does it matter? I don't see a race. >>> >>> >> It matters because the comparison reveals the field, the scope, the >> dimension. > Only when you believe Linux and Windows are actually in a competition > together. I think they once were, but not any more. No. Competing for what? That only makes sense if you have a stake in the result, the outcome of that competition. My only stake in this is having the system I want. Whether that is Linux or Windows, is not really relevant to me. I want my SYSTEM. I want my [S]ystem. I want my System. So yeah. I want to realize what I know exists, somewhere. If I am to use Linux, I will take everything I can from other sources to enhance it. If I am to use Windows, I will take everything I can from other sources to enhance it. If I am to use OS X, I will take everything I can from other sources to enhance it. I am impartial to the system I actually use. They are all the same to me. Except that there is ONE system that is actually me, and it only lives in side of my head in that sense. It is inside of my heart. My head and my heart are for the largest part connected in that sense, according to me :p. > TBH, I don't think this discussion belongs here, if you want to > continue, I would recommend taking it up on opensuse-offtopic. > To late for that. And again, that's what I've been saying. "Sure you can do it, just not here". "There is bound to be some other planet you can do it on. Good bye now, and be a nice chap". So I don't even agree that it would be off-topic. General Linux discussions in that sense are not off-topic here. Right? Agree? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] leap install messed up mint
by Chris Murphy 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Отправлено с iPhone > > 29 марта 2016 г., в 9:02, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com> написал(а): > > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 11:44 PM Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Отправлено с iPhone >> >> > 29 марта 2016 г., в 7:09, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com> >> > написал(а): >> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> 28.03.2016 07:54, Chris Murphy пишет: >> >>> Long version: >> >>> Basically the distros have a bunch of mutually incompatible forks of >> >>> upstream GRUB. >> >> >> >> >> >> How it is relevant in this case at all? >> > >> > It's the superset position, the ultimate cause for all bootloading >> > madness on Linux. It's not the user's fault they're so often confused >> > about something that should be so basic and reliable. The GRUB2 >> > multiboot experience handed to us by distros is basically crap and >> > it's not really possible to overstate that. >> > >> > This is marginally less crap with upstream GRUB. But it's actually >> > nearly pleasant with systemd-boot (gummiboot) and rEFInd. So it's not >> >> So rEFInd or systemd-boot will ignore file signature and allow you to load >> and launch anything you through at them? Otherwise please explain how using >> different boot loader would change anything here. > > > > My recommendation is the same as when I first posted. Use the firmware's > built-in boot manager. It solves all of these problems, the user doesn't > have to get wrapped up in bootloader esoterics and workarounds. > > > > And how it makes your statements about boot loaders more relevant? I've already answered that question. By repeating it, you're proposing it's not relevant in order to diminish my criticism of GRUB having shit UI/Ux when it comes to multiboot. Even when GRUB multiboot works, it's basically shit. And it being shit even compared to the built-in boot manager is pretty appalling because even that isn't great. But at least if you can figure out how to get to the built-in boot manager, it doesn't face plant with incoherent, unhelpful errors, that then require Rube Goldberg levels of hacks to work around. -- First, get a cat. Then get a spoon. Now, we're going to teach the cat how to use the spoon. Yes, we need to do this to get Linux A's bootloader to boot Linux B, but this is because Linux is so much better. Where's your cat? You need a cat. No of course this isn't documented anywhere. -- User pain and questions go down dramatically when they figure out they can do this more reliably with the firmware's boot manager. And it solves essentially all known multiboot problems whether Secure Boot related or not. User pain and questions go up dramatically when asked to hack GRUB to work around its deficiencies (in pretty much all ways but especially when it comes to multiboot). It's good and necessary for some users to know such things, because who else do we turn to when we need to know how to build and sign our own kernels and get them to work with Secure Boot? But in the meantime, as a general purpose solution, I think it's better for people to give up on GRUB when it comes to multibooting because the experience is shit. And it's not their fault. Why would I recommend something that makes users miserable? -- Chris Murphy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 7
by ddemaio 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

Hi all, Today, March 22, we will have an organizing meeting for the openSUSE Conference on the opensuse-project channel at 1700 UTC. I will have the agenda ready for the meeting: The topics we will discuss today are: Social events Planning Entertainment Planning Marketing Status Keynote Status Trello Cards Schedule Outreach/Education Status Volunteer Tasks Equipment update Regards, Doug

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RE: [opensuse] Bugzilla - a question
by stakanov＠freenet.de 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: ianseeks > Gesendet: So. 27.03.2016 14:08 > An: opensuse(a)opensuse.org > Betreff: [opensuse] Bugzilla - a question > > Someone mentioned in the KDEPIM list that bugs can sit here "unnoticed" for > years. Is there anyway of looking at a bug in bugzilla to check if any of the > people assigned to look at it have actually read it other than them actually > making a comment on it or changing the bug status? > > Regards > > Ian > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- Well, if you wish I can tell you. I am one of the reporters that got a bug closed after so may years that I received a letter of apologies for not having received any consideration before the change of generation took place. Bugs can stay there for about 3 years or longer. To know if your bug is looked upon, you should see if it has been "assigned" and at least if it has been "confirmed". If it is just confirmed but not assigned you have a "weapon", which is the vote. You can vote for a bug and some of the bugs that where unbelievably annoying to people, where fixed just because people did vote for it. We as a distribution may have noteworthy power if we put our forces together and get some bug fixed by popular vote if we do coordinate our votes. So I would say, if you have something that "stays on your heard" which is easy as with PIM as a central component, I think that KDE does still not understand the paramount importance for daily usage that this component has, and you may try to argue for a bug here, I for sure would be available to vote in a coordinated matter when it comes for PIM bugs. Others (I think of Anton and Basil :-p) may do so, driven by an act of profound altruism. You let me know what you need, and if I have votes to spare you will get my support. I firmly believe that one of the mayor problems of this otherwise very enjoyable desktop is priority setting. PIM and Kmail (filtering, akonadi etc) are part of it. Bear in mind however that (for what I heard) they are working on a complete rewrite of PIM/Akonadi to drive out design errors and bugs. So if the problems you face will be fixed through this, i am afraid, chances are good that this will be "wontfix" if the devs think it will be obsoleted by the new version anyway. (Which, to tell the truth, I hope so, it is time to get this very central component working and shining, if not other to heighten the reputation of the software collection as a whole). --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000451 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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RE: Re: [opensuse] Battery Mis-behaving Recently
by stakanov＠freenet.de 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: John Andersen > Gesendet: Di. 29.03.2016 03:10 > An: opensuse(a)opensuse.org > Betreff: Re: [opensuse] Battery Mis-behaving Recently > > On 03/28/2016 03:22 PM, stakanov(a)freenet.de wrote: > > Was your machine warm after 40 minutes of suspend? That would be an indication it had not fully > suspended, and something was drawing way more power than it should have for a sleeping machine. > > > Now that you tell me that..... I would say yes. Handwarm, not hot. I did not mention it. As it is a Lenovo it should have been cold. Where could I see a log? Does journalctl trace it? I was not thinking of the kernel of a culprit but if you use Plasma5 then I would have a suspect. --- Mail & Cloud Made in Germany mit 3 GB Speicher! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000450 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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RE: Re: [opensuse] Battery Mis-behaving Recently
by stakanov＠freenet.de 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: John Andersen > Gesendet: Mo. 28.03.2016 22:23 > An: opensuse(a)opensuse.org > Betreff: Re: [opensuse] Battery Mis-behaving Recently > > On 03/28/2016 01:08 PM, stakanov(a)freenet.de wrote: >> Is this the normal kernel? It really seams like my problem. I did close the lid. The machine apparently suspends. Shows the symbol, no ventilator. But when opening after 40 minutes, the battery is from full to 5 minutes left of time. Either the battery is wrongly indicating power or there is something not suspending at all. Normally when suspended I have autonomy for hours. --- Mail & Cloud Made in Germany mit 3 GB Speicher! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000450 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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