August 2014 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse] Re: on why maildir isn't standard...
by Linda Walsh 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

Anton Aylward wrote: > On 08/20/2014 07:57 PM, Linda Walsh wrote: >> That it takes almost 4x the space is bad enough, but that >> it 200-300 times slower is the real bear. > > That makes no sense. > If space were the issue then we would not use HTML mail, it would be > banned from all major servers and archives. There would also be a ban > on attachments: selfies, lolcats, ftp-by-email of documents and > spreadsheets. ---- That's not space on an ISP... that's local space. Though the peformance hit is worse than the space hit. > So no I don't buy that. I'm not an ISP trying to sell you something. > > As for the 'slower', no I don't but that either; its just a matter of > juggling your metrics. You have made no provision for the spin-lops of > mbox locking or the hassle that is needed to deliver mail while a user > has the file open reading it; all of which involves copying the whole > file back and forth. ---- Yes, I did. I don't need locks for grepping through my local mail. Mail is MOST often an append, then read-only resource. It's not generally used as a random access database. Dovecot keeps meta indexes for other info outside of the mbox with the data stored in 1 compact form. > You 234 Megabyte mailbox. Deleting or tagging a > single message with maildir involves deleting a single file. With mbox > it involves copying the whole file, stopping in the middle, skipping, > the copying the rest. --- NO IT DOESN'T... That's not the way Dovecot works. It keeps meta changes in it's index files. The data in the mbox is remarkably unchanged except when automated processes expire the email. > Your view of resources is a static one, driven by 1970s economics. > The forces that apply today have more to do with the user experience. ---- ?? Sorry, I prefer to wait .05 seconds to search through my 200MB mailbox rather than up to 60 seconds... > > Personally I think your obsession is irrelevant and I'm more concerned > that your absolutist attitude is spreading misinformation. ---- performance of 200-300x is relevant. > > As far as I'm concerned all the MTAs and MDAs and mail readers I use can > handle both mbox and maildir, so I pick what suits the context I work > in. My INBOX is maildir; my archives, which I seldom access and never > delete anything from, are mbox. ---- Nearly everything in my mail directory is an archive. I rarely if ever need random access updates to mailboxes. As for spreading misinformation -- I documented my claims in 2 cases, by using the sources you referred to. You are glossing over the fact that these things are not default and though your alligators won't stay off my crocodiles, our initial intent was to drain the swamp... trying to find out why something isn't working in it's initial setup -- that was the problem. In initial setup, things are in default state -- so that is what I try to use as a baseline in suggesting debugging and setup attempts. I certainly would not recommend how I have my system setup for most people. But I'm a computer person and I thihk you are two. Things that we do to computers would give most people nightmares... It's not about what we can do, but about going with the simplest setup from the defaults. Once that is working, THEN scale up complexity.. > >> It might come down to usage, but putting each message in a separate file >> generally will waste space, time, resources... human time and cpu time... > > Yes, that was the mentality of the 1970s when resources were scarce and > cost more than human time. --- No, it is today... from a cold cache, 0.2 seconds w/mbox, vs. 60+ seconds for maildir. You cannot claim 60 seconds is a reasonable time to wait for a spur of the moment search. > One of the reasons that Postfix and qmail are so popular is that > sendmail has the ${DEITY}-${PERDITION} awful configuration setup. > Postfix is not only more secure, and can run with lower privilege; qmail > is almost trivial to set up and is also more secure; Smail3 setup is > about the level that Marcus Ranum's proverbial cat can manage. --- I will not argue that point. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] unwanted obligation to move to ubuntu because of outdated kernel with SuSE
by Julien Michielsen 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

> > >> check in build system. >> for example here >> https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Kernel:linux-next/kernel-vanill… > AFAIK it is 3.17 there. >> > Thanks for your suggestion. I'll try it. > Julien I did try to get it, but could not find a downloadable kernel at that spot ("404-not found errors" only) Julien > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org > > -W- Julien Michielsen julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] unwanted obligation to move to ubuntu because of outdated kernel with SuSE
by Julien Michielsen 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

> check in build system. > for example here > https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Kernel:linux-next/kernel-vanill… AFAIK it is 3.17 there. > Thanks for your suggestion. I'll try it. Julien > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Julien Michielsen < > julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> I do have a hp 650 notebook, and I cannot have internet-acces with it because it has a Ralink chip in it. The older linux kernels cannot "talk" with this chip because of an unpatched kernel error. This patch is part of kernels from 3.12 on. I did try to compile and install kernel 3.12.6, but this kernel failed to communicate on notebook, supposedly because I should also upgrade Ralinks firm- ware. I tried to do so, but did not manage to get it working, as it gave compilation-errors. An example: >> >> /home/julien/local/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:43:23: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before >> 'rt2860_remove_one'static VOID __devexit rt2860_remove_one(struct pci_dev >> *pci_dev); >> >> I do not know how to solve this, and moved to Ubuntu-14.4, with a 3.14 kernel. This worked fine, but I'd like to stay with SuSE. (although in the end Ubuntu might prove a good change) >> Could I possibly find a 3.12 kernel at SuSE? >> thanks >> Julien >> >> -W- >> Julien Michielsen >> julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl > >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org >> >> > -W- Julien Michielsen julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl -W- Julien Michielsen julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] unwanted obligation to move to ubuntu because of outdated kernel with SuSE
by Julien Michielsen 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

I do have a hp 650 notebook, and I cannot have internet-acces with it because it has a Ralink chip in it. The older linux kernels cannot "talk" with this chip because of an unpatched kernel error. This patch is part of kernels from 3.12 on. I did try to compile and install kernel 3.12.6, but this kernel failed to communicate on notebook, supposedly because I should also upgrade Ralinks firm- ware. I tried to do so, but did not manage to get it working, as it gave compilation-errors. An example: /home/julien/local/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:43:23: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'rt2860_remove_one'static VOID __devexit rt2860_remove_one(struct pci_dev *pci_dev); I do not know how to solve this, and moved to Ubuntu-14.4, with a 3.14 kernel. This worked fine, but I'd like to stay with SuSE. (although in the end Ubuntu might prove a good change) Could I possibly find a 3.12 kernel at SuSE? thanks Julien -W- Julien Michielsen julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl -W- Julien Michielsen julien(a)michkloo.xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Font aliases (serif, san-serif, monospace) where to set default font face?
by David C. Rankin 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

All, In the past, there was a fonts alias file where you could move the font you wanted as the default for each, serif, san-serif, and monospace to the first in the list of aliases for each of the generic types. The file used to be: /etc/fonts/suse-generic-names.conf where you had:  <alias> <family>Georgia</family> <family>Bell MT</family> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> <snip>  <alias> <family>Trebuchet</family> <family>Segoe</family> <family>Andale Sans</family> <snip>  <alias> <family>Fixed</family> <family>Cumberland AMT</family> <family>SUSE Sans Mono</family> <snip> It looks like that file is now: /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/58-suse-post-user.conf Is this the place to set the wanted default, or should we create some xyz.local file so it does not get overwritten? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Dubious paper size settings
by Josef Wolf 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Hello, On opensuse-12.3 and opensuse-13.1, in the print dialog of all applications (konqueror, okular, firefox, etc/pp), I get _two_ options for the "Media Size" setting. The first one is set to "A4" (which I really want) and the second is set to "Letter". In contrast, lpoptions (correctly) shows only _one_ "Media Size" option, which is (correctly) set to "A4": raven:~ # lpoptions -l|grep Size PageSize/Media Size: Letter Legal Executive Statement FanFoldGermanLegal 3x5 4x6 5x7 5x8 *A4 A5 A6 FanFoldGerman B5 B6 100x150mm 216x340mm 195x270mm 184x260mm 197x273mm Postcard DoublePostcardRotated Env9 Env10 EnvMonarch EnvISOB5 EnvC5 EnvC6 EnvDL Custom.WIDTHxHEIGHT HPBookletPageSize/Paper for Booklet: 100x150mm 184x260mm 195x270mm 197x273mm 216x340mm 3x5 4x6 5x7 5x8 A4 A5 A6 B5 B6 DoublePostcardRotated Executive FanFoldGerman FanFoldGermanLegal Legal *Letter Postcard Statement Where does the second (erroneous) "Media Size" setting in virtually all the applications come from? Why won't those applications simply use the (correct) setting from lpoptions? -- Josef Wolf jw(a)raven.inka.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Rotating mp4 video clip
by Dylan 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Hi All, I have an mp4 video clip which needed rotating, so I used: ffmpeg -i in.mp4 -vf "transpose=1" out.mp4 and it was correctly rotated (at least, vlc plays out.mp4 rotated correctly.) Now, however, when posted to a popular social media site, said site applies a further rotation. It seems there must be some metadata in the file which ffmpeg leaves untouched, and vlc ignores, but the aforementioned web site acts upon. I've checked with easytag and kid3, but they only show artist/title etc... Where should I look next to fix this? Cheers Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Are you also getting this junk from PeoplePerHour?
by Carlos E. R. 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Hi, I just got the below email, very possibly junk or phising or who knows. What the heck is this? It is not the first similar email, from those people or another, that I'm getting recently... :-/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Request received: Re: [opensuse] Dovecot LDA in procmail [Was: Why is dovecot using user home directory?] Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:50:50 +0000 From: PeoplePerHour.com Helpdesk <support(a)peopleperhour.zendesk.com> Reply-To: PeoplePerHour.com Helpdesk <support+id360413(a)peopleperhour.zendesk.com> To: Carlos E. R <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> ## In replies all text above this line is added to the ticket ## This email is a service from PeoplePerHour.com Helpdesk. PeoplePerHour.com <http://www.peopleperhour.com/> Hello Carlos, Thank you for contacting us! We have your request and we don't like to keep our PPHers waiting so you should hear from us within 1 working day. In the meantime you might want to have a look at our new and improved *Help section <http://support.peopleperhour.com/forums/>* where you might find the answer you are looking for. Thank you for your patience. The PPH Customer Support team Carlos E. *Carlos E. R* Aug 19 17:20 On Tuesday, 2014-08-19 at 09:05 -0400, Charles Philip Chan wrote: > On 19 Aug 2014, robin.listas(a)telefonica.net <mailto:robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: > > Hi Carlos: > >> I would have to replace the last line with: >> >> | $DELIVER -m lists/os-en > > Yes. > >> or...? >> >> Would it end in the same mailbox format, in my case mbox? > ...

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[opensuse] Transfer from 13.1 to Factory
by A. den Oudsten 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

I just transfered from my 13.1 to Factory All went great!!! Thanks to the OpenSuse team!! André den Oudsten b t w I was surprised at restart that I still got 13.1 announced -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Need some DD foo
by John Andersen 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Smart throwing errors on my opensuse laptop drive. Occasional long pauses. The old drive is still bootable and runs but its clearly on its way out. Have new drive ready to install in an external USB enclosure. I want to see if I can just get everything off the failing drive onto the new drive while preserving the entire layout of partitions etc. Old drive 320Gig, New Drive 500Gig. (That might have been a mistake). I can either do this booting from the old drive or I have a bootable DVD Knopix around. Is there any way to DD this drive across and take advantage of the full size of the newer drive? My fallback is, of course a fresh install, and copy of files, but I was hoping to put that off till 13.2. (Its currently a very stable 12.3 and I have no desire to go to 31.1 at the this late date.) Or is this a fools errand? -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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