November 2012 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse] zypper, how to avoid rpm --force
by Ruediger Meier 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Hi, even I've noticed that zypper seems to install with "rpm --force". This means that it does not abort if 2 packages have conflicting files and this results in having random files installed. How could I avoid that? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Question about Dolphin: deleting files
by Basil Chupin 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Is there a way to configure Dolphin so that it doesn't copy/move deleted files to the Wastebin (and pretend that they are really deleted)? I am working with large file (working with Cinelerra) and need to deleted files which may some 25GB big. Doing these deletions in Dolphin are a real pain :-( . On the other hand, by using mc (Midnight Commander) the files are deleted instantaneously - and I can get on with life. Anyone suggest a solution to this hassle in Dolphin, thanks? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 & kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Should an md5sum of an ISO and against the dvd match ?
by Duaine Hechler 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

I've downloaded the 12.2 iso and the md5sum. Knowing that the old DVD burner shot craps, I bought a new one. I burned the ISO file and, using k3b, burned the ISO file. Running md5sum command against the newly burned DVD, do not match the ISO md5sum. Should they match ? How do I get k3b to run the md5sum against the newly burned DVD ? Thanks, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler(a)att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: Why is initrd needed...
by Linda Walsh 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

Andrey Borzenkov wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Linda Walsh <suse(a)tlinx.org> wrote: >> Give me ANY reason. > Personal experience. > > - mount by LABEL/UUID/whatever, but not by /dev/sdX. Uncountable times > I got support call after adding some additional storage after > installation and staying before system that does not boot. ---- If you want reliability, you mount root by dev -- that's another reason to make it small. > - support for root on layered storage. Yes, it probably can be done > without initrd, but even Solaris moved to initrd at the end after all > those years. --- Layered? Like RAID? My root runs on RAID5 -- works great. If you have a HW raid card that's handled outside the OS. Again -- reliability is the key. > - minimal debugging environment in which I am able to poke around when > root is not found instead of just cursing blindly ---- I have that as well. Not much you CAN'T put on a 14G root. That's larger than the distro's DVD. >> claims to need 400GB in root?! Talk about a broken model to be following! > You still need 400GB be it on two partitions or on one partition. Why > exactly one is more broken than two? ---- We are talking about what is necessary to boot, all the apps you want to run. At one point openSuse went with XFS as the default file system (1 release I think). It moved away from that when it wanted to use the, then broken grub manager -- which was known to be unreliable at that time. Many of the decisions above come a lack of need for reliability. My machine boots in another room -- and doesn't run a graphical console on boot. Suse is promoting the idea of virtual machines usable as appliances -- many of those don't need a "Desktop". If you want reliable, this entire push for a unified Usrbin/lib is a negative for reliability. MANY legacy scripts with fixed values for the distro's basic utils are failing in 12.2. This will be a corporate nightmare as those fail. I've seen 10 year old scripts fail in 12.2 as well as many rpms. Shells have always lived in /bash, along with many other basic functions. You are voiding compatibility with 40 years of unix scripting -- stuff that will no longer work without being modified for OSuSE. If you want reliability, Make your basic utils *statically* linked, and then load dynamically linked versions in /usr/bin, and put /usr/bin first in the path. Again -- all about reliability. How many times have we seen on this list about the current release being non-bootable? This would almost never happen if the root was static and small -- it makes testing easy. You wouldn't have users posting how to fix their systems if they could get to an operational shell prompt with basic utils. As it is now -- I see many messages of them posting where they are screwed -- The current system is incredibly *fragile*. Please note -- there has been no reason given for the need for an initrd -- EVEN differing HW is easily solvable. If they user *wants* direct boot, you compile a kernel with the modules their machine needs to boot *once*. Then you have 2 choices. You stick with rebuilding the kernel on kernel updates, OR, you load an updated kernel from a mounted partition and pivot to the new kernel. If you want the optimization step, you can run it AFTER boot, in background and update the root-kernel -- so it doesn't slow down boot. Not only is it more reliable -- it streamlines the boot process. As the boot process is now, many users boot twice -- first off the ram disk to load support for disk "labels", and *then* they can boot from a labeled root unless you already have a running OS to find the label with 'udev' -- UNLESS, you use 'lilo'. Again.. we are talking reliability over features. I boot from a labeled root -- but the root is labeled when I install the kernel to boot from. I get booting from a labeled root, off of RAID5, with a kernel tailored for my HW...that takes 20% the space of the current solution w/an initrd. Guess which loads ALOT faster when being loaded by the block-loader of the BIOS... Points in my processes favor: reliability, speed, easy to get to a working single user to fix problems should they arise. Even easy to get to login from a remote shell when there are problems if you disable "unreliability features" that have been added to prevent boot if any 'T' is not crossed, or 'i' is not dotted. If you want reliability, and speed, the choice is clear. What are the supposed benefits of an initrd again? So far, I see only reasons given due to use of other unreliable pieces of software. If reliability was a priority -- if speed of boot was a priority, these issues would never have come up. But choices have been made to provide things that can be added *after* boot. But so far, EVERYTHING, that has been given can be done without initrd -- both FASTER and with vastly improved reliability. So what is so important that you would sacrifice a high level of reliability and a large speed boost to provide the indirect step of using an initrd? Note -- for working on a root partition -- which was rare, when memory was tight, a 'miniroot' (a rescue type system) was copied into SWAP, and run from there. -- then root could be moved/resized, or whatever. Now days, equivalent functionality can be done from a RAM disk most often. There is no need for initrd, and getting rid of it in the default case would improve reliability, performance and speed of boot. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] VNC from internet into private network computers.
by Marc Chamberlin 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

Up until recently, I have set up computers on my internal private 192.168.x.x networks with a VNC server running on each system. Using port forwarding (configured in SuSEFirewall2) we were able to access each computer from a remote site, over the internet, so long as we remembered which port was forwarded to port 5900 of the computer we wanted to attach a vnc viewer to. That worked fine, but three issues came up which made me decide to try a different approach. One this is an unencrypted channel. Two our open VNC ports were coming under heavy attacks, and three it is hard to remember which port on the firewall computer is forwarded to which destination computer in our network. So I decided to turn off the VNC servers and use SSH to establish an encrypted channel, start a x11vnc server when needed, and port forward the VNC port to the local host. This works fine when establishing a connection to our firewall computer - ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 username(a)ourdomain.com 'x11vnc -localhost -nolookup -nopw -display :0' and then attach a vncviewer to localhost - vncviewer -encodings "tight copyrect hextile" localhost:0 but, my question is how can I extend this approach so as to reach different computers within our private network? What I would like to do is something like this - ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 username(a)computername.ourdomain.com 'x11vnc -localhost -nolookup -nopw -display :0' but I don't know (or think it is even possible) how to configure our DNS server to resolve "computername.ourdomain.com" with a useable address for accessing it from the internet. Internally our DNS server resolves "computername.ourdomain.com" to a private 192.168.x.x which is not useable from an external location. (Works fine internally only) Seems like we would have to purchase a bunch of static IP addresses, which is not feasible/desirable. I looked to see if there is some way to configure bind (named) to associate a port with a particular computername so that we could then use port forwarding to route it to an appropriate computer, but no joy finding such a solution... i.e. something like this A record is what I am thinking, if you get my drift - computername IN A IPAddress:port but I don't think there is a way to specify a particular port as such, and this would get messy if I wanted to reach different ports. Probably had to use unique computernames to identify which port I wanted or some such scheme. Should I open up a bunch of ports for SSH connections and use SuSEFirewall to route them to the appropriate computer? That puts us right back to having to remember which port gets forwarded to which computer.... Is there any other approach I could take? Thanks in advance for any and all ideas... Marc... -- "The Truth is out there" - Spooky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] texlive, /etc/texmf/ls-R contains trash
by Ruediger Meier 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

Hi, just noticed that /etc/texmf/ls-R conatins lines like updmap.cfg.rpmsave and similar trash. I doubt this is wanted. Is it worth to bug report this? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Template Changer Extension / Change template of an existing document
by Adam Tauno Williams 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

<http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/template-changer> I previously have used this Template Changer extension. Only it now [not being an oxt] will not install into my current version of LibreOffice. Anybody have a working version of this extension or know a workaround to achieve the same behavior? [change the template of an existing document]. libreoffice-3.5.4.7-1.1.2.x86_64 openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 GNOME3.6 -- Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam(a)whitemice.org>

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[opensuse] Skype as non-root user
by Johannes Weberhofer 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Hello! I've installed Skype 4.0.0.8 using the procedures given on http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Skype and Skype seems to work - but I can not log in. The strange thing is, that it works nicely when I start it on the shell as root-user. Does anybody have experience/solution for that issue? Best regards, Johannes -- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] What is the purpose of udisks-helper-ata-smart-collect ?
by Per Jessen 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

every 30 minutes, I have the following in my log: Nov 11 17:26:38 tvbox dbus-daemon[522]: **** Refreshing ATA SMART data for /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda Nov 11 17:26:39 tvbox dbus-daemon[522]: helper(pid 8929): launched job udisks-helper-ata-smart-collect on /dev/sda Nov 11 17:26:39 tvbox dbus-daemon[522]: helper(pid 8929): completed with exit code 0 Nov 11 17:26:39 tvbox dbus-daemon[522]: **** EMITTING CHANGED for /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda a) what is the purpose of this, and b) can/should I stop it? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Why is Yast removing /etc/hosts entries
by Mark Hounschell 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

On 11/09/2012 03:46 PM, Dirk Gently wrote: > Mark Hounschell wrote: >> This happens on 11.4 and I haven't noticed it on anything newer. And >> it seems like it's a new problem for me because I've been running >> 11.4 on this box since it came out and never remember having this >> issue. The only thing new on this box is the use >> and configuration of a wireless usb adapter. This /etc/hosts entry is >> an IP address directly connecting me to a machine NOT on my local >> network or even in my area. So it's more or less a foreign entry. But >> why is Yast removing it? Seems just WRONG to >> me. It should never remove entries I've manually put in there. Why is >> it removing it? >> >> Mark > > Don't know. > > But I learned long ago from doing upgrades by "new install" > to do cp -r -p /etc /local > > This creates a copy of all config files in /local/etc > This happens every time I configure the wireless network in YAST. Would you do that every time you had to do that? Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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