June 2008 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

OT: evil gpl , was Re: [opensuse] ZFS on SuSE-anyone, Distributed File System...
by Brian K. White 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

----- Original Message ----- From: "Druid" <marcio.ferreira(a)gmail.com> To: <opensuse(a)opensuse.org> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] ZFS on SuSE-anyone, Distributed File System... > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:15 AM, John Andersen <jsamyth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> (bla bla bla) >> >> >> Just saying NO isn't going to work for ever. 5 more years of Leopard >> development and enhancement might squeeze Linux out, not because >> its better, but just because Leopard does not refuse to grow and play >> well with others. >> > > Don't like the license? Don't use gpl software, then. It's that simple. "But gee, practically everything our very standard of living depends on is gpl! I can't give up all that! Wahhhh!" It always amazes me how people who complain about the requirements of gpl seem to miss the fact that if it weren't for that the standard of living would still be somewhere in the mid 80's today. Progress would creep compared to the rate things advance the last several years and most of the coolest stuff would happen in proprietary products and dead-end code that was used for a little while by a few customers and then disappeared altogether when the producing company closed. They probably used a ton of gpl software and even hardware and services that either would have existed or wouldn't have been nearly as good or cheap if it weren't for the awful gpl they are complaining about. Who actually misses the days when there was one phone company and they actually owned every phone and wire that led to it? That is the world before gpl and other gpl-like values. The proof of the rightness of the idea behind the gpl and the cathedral vs bazzar theory has already come to pass and we live in a world that is greater and better directly because of it. The proof is exactly the existence of so many people trying to get around the gpl, by loopholes like tivo or by plain theft like linksys/dlink/others (you know for every one we uncover there are several that go undetected too). How much worse would it be if it wasn't even illegal? I like to be as free as possible and allow anyone to do anything, but I do dislike the fact that the bsd license allows a company to take advantage of a tremendous amount of work someone else did for free, (say, the tcp stack) and then build their closed source commercial product on top of that, and only take money from everyone else without contributing anything back for the code they took and benefitted from. It's a classic and textbook example of how those who do well under a given system generally can not do well under a different system, and so naturally fight against it when a new system starts to evolve. But if the new system is better for more people than it is worse for, then tough tooties, the new system should eventually prevail, and generally does. If some company can't do well because they can't steal code to re-sell it, that doesn't mean we miss out on any progress that company would have made. Those programmers who never got hired by that company because it didn't grow, most will program somewhere else somehow, and equivalent progress will happen, only most likely a higher portion of it will happen within the body of gpl'd works and so we actually come out ahead. Progress that happens only within some proprietary product generally is either a dead end (company eventually closes and all code just gets buried or lost with other assets) or it takes a ridiculous number of years until some patent or copyright expires before that code can do anyone any good. Some rules limit freedom, but some rules _provide_ it. The ways in which the gpl are more limiting than bsd are ridiculously outweighed by the body of public works they produce. It merely requires being able to see beyond the end of your nose to see it. I would say that anyone who doesn't see that is someone who never learned that valuing instant gratification above all else is stupid, and so their opinion is of no concern. -- Brian K. White brian(a)aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] OT: - e-mail problem
by Phil Burness 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

I am getting a multitude of e-mail delivery failure notices in my inbox from lot's of people I have not e-mailed. I guess my e-mail system is compromised in some way but I do not know how or where to look. I do not know if the problem is at my Linux machine or could it be at my ISP? Can anyone offer any advice or information on where to get advice? Thanks Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Standard for writing/reading CD-RW for Suse 10.2 & Windows
by John R. Sowden 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

I need to transfer datafiles (OOo) from/to Suse 10.0, 10.3, Win XP, Win Vista, Win 98 computers. I am having problem finding a standard other than ISO9660 for CD-R. I am hoping to use CD-RW, or DVD-RW. Help? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Beagle eats my CPU
by Niki Kovacs 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Hi, I've been running openSUSE 10.3 for a week, and I'm quite satisfied. This morning I began work and noticed my machine was unusually slow. I launched 'top' and saw that a process called beagled-helper consumed no less than 80% CPU (I'm working on a PIV 2.4 GHz). Is this some daily indexing process or what? BTW, I left my machine running all night. Cheers, Niki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] flash animations..
by Sampsa Riikonen 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Dear List, Does anyone know a program that is able to "plug" into a web-page and show streaming flash video from that web-page on its own? I mean.. like watching streaming video with, say, kaffeine but now the stream being a flash animation box in a web-page. Sampsa -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] windows mobile as a modem
by Low Kian Seong 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Dear all, Can anyone here tell me if a samsung i780 with windows mobile can be used with opensuse as a modem to dial up to internet services ? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] 3G Cards And Vodaphone South Africa
by Cornelius Franken 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Cornelius Franken wrote: > Well I checked with the ISP helpdesk last night all the settings seems > to be correct it connects then get the Compression Control Protocol > error and hangs up. Busy researching on the net now maybe I can find a > answer. My ISP informed me last night that they do NOT support linux at > all. SO I am out on my own here. >Here in France SFR, which is really Vodafone, supplies the Asus eee >running Linux with what looks like that 3G USB key, you might be able >to see how it's configured. I can't get hold of one because the wife >says no. >DC Well I have tried everything. I still get the error mentioned and no one on the net seems to have an answer. Maybe it is time to change to another distro seems like the guys have better luck on Fedora/Ubuntu hell even my Mandriva live distro picked up the Modem. ----------------------------------------- Engen Petroleum Limited, disclaims liability for any loss, damage or expense however caused, arising from the sending, receipt, or use of this e-mail and on any reliance placed upon the information provided through this service and does not guarantee the completeness or accuracy of the information. Please visit http://www.engen.co.za/home/server/common/disclaimer.asp to view the full disclaimer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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RE: [opensuse] 3G Cards And Vodaphone South Africa
by Cornelius Franken 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Well I checked with the ISP helpdesk last night all the settings seems to be correct it connects then get the Compression Control Protocol error and hangs up. Busy researching on the net now maybe I can find a answer. My ISP informed me last night that they do NOT support linux at all. SO I am out on my own here. Regards Neil -----Original Message----- From: Bogdan Cristea [mailto:bogdan.cristea@sytron.ro] Sent: 11 June 2008 10:14 AM To: Cornelius Franken Subject: Re: [opensuse] 3G Cards And Vodaphone South Africa Hi If the ISP settings work for Windows I don't see any reason to do the same in Linux. You could use Windows to figure out what settings (e.g. dialed number, etc) you should use in wvdial.conf On Wednesday 11 June 2008 11:15:31 you wrote: > Hi Bogdan > > The modem responds. I can send a AT command. It reports ok. I can enter > my sim card pin number too and check signal strength. Seems to be a > problem with the ISP settings. > > Thanks for the reply > Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bogdan Cristea [mailto:cristeab@gmail.com] > Sent: 11 June 2008 09:47 AM > To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org > Subject: Re: [opensuse] 3G Cards And Vodaphone South Africa > > First, try to connect to your modem using minicom and see if it > responds > (e.g use 'AT' and you should receive an OK). > Use 'wvdial' to connect your modem to your ISP. You need to > configure /etc/wvdial.conf. > Personally, I prefer to use Yast to configure my modem. > > On Wednesday 11 June 2008 10:43:57 Cornelius Franken wrote: > > Hi People > > > > Maybe some of you can help me here. I got a e220 Huawei Modem 2 days > > ago > > > and would like to use it. My first problem was that when I plugged it > > into the computer it picked it up as a CD ROM. Basically Vodafone > > packages the drivers as a sort of Autoplay function for the windoze > > people. > > > > I installed a "device" rule which allowed me to see the Modem. I ran > > Kppp setup the modem and used the modem terminal to actually talk to > > it. > > > I could successfully send my pin number and check signal strength. So > > far so good.... then I setup the account. When I connect with Kppp it > > connects then dies with an error stating Protocol-Reject for > > 'Compression Control Protocol' (0x80fd) received. > > > > I phoned the helpdesk. Waited 15 minutes and was told that Vodafone > > does > > > not support Linux. So armed with this I just went through the account > > settings and made sure that everything is fine. Well my account is > > setup > > > correctly and my modem is responding. Anyone out there have any ideas? > > > > Regards > > Neil > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Engen Petroleum Limited, disclaims liability for any loss, damage > > or expense however caused, arising from the sending, receipt, or > > use of this e-mail and on any reliance placed upon the information > > provided through this service and does not guarantee the > > completeness or accuracy of the information. Please visit > > http://www.engen.co.za/home/server/common/disclaimer.asp to view > > the full disclaimer. > > -- > Bogdan Cristea > software engineer > Sytron Technologies Overseas > www.sytron.ro -- Bogdan Cristea software engineer Sytron Technologies Overseas www.sytron.ro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] dvd question
by Doug McGarrett 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

I have just ordered 11.0. I understand I need a double layer DVD drive to install this. Since I don't have one, I wonder if anyone has used Lite-On DH-20A4P, which claims to do everything, but only claims to work with Windows OS's. And while we're at it, does it record Light-Scribe? (Yes I have visited their site, and also the Linux compatibility site, which is very confusing and virtually useless. There used to be a better one.) --doug Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Re: New openSUSE 11.0! Order today for FREE SHIPPING!
by James Knott 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

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