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RE: [SLE] Seeking help with mail-server setup
by mlist＠safenet-inc.com 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

I'm using Ulf's message below, but this is also a reply to Sandy Drobic (who said some of the same things and added further clarification). Ulf Rasch [mailto:u.rasch@seppelec.com] replied: > > Hi Kevin, > > In general, YAST may help you in configuring your system but not in > understanding how things work. > Have a look at the programs and their documentation involved > instead!!! > In your case > fetchmail > IMAP (cyrus, etc.) > postfix ( if needed at all ) [...] > You can tell fetchmail to deliver directly to IMAP > http://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/fetchmail-man.html#2 > That way you wouldn't need postfix for inbound mail. [...] > Cyrus IMAP is not involved in _outbound_ mail. Outbound mail is send > from your email program (KMail, Thunderbird, etc.) when you press the > send button. [...] > Better may be not to involve postfix and let your email program send > mail directly to your ISP. > That way you have to set up on program less. > I am not trying to say you shouldn't use postfix. My > experience is, best > to keep things simple. The fewer programs involved the better. That is so cool! I started off with the assumptions about needing postfix (after I learned that it is a more modern replacement for sendmail) because that's what I got from my various reading. One assumption leads to another. I then asked a question on a local LUG list, and got answers that explained a lot, but which fed my overly grandiose pre-conceptions and left big holes. I didn't want to come to the list barehanded, so I did some reading first, and the reading that I did seems to have led me to excess assumptions. So, NOW if I'm understanding, I should probably ignore YaST and just config two programs directly, because YaST has bigger assumptions than the simple setup that I desire. So-o-o-o-o... ISP has mail in box. Fetchmail goes and gets it and gives it to CyrusIMAP, which holds it forever. CyrusIMAP responds to instructions from the Client (my mail program on my other PC) via IMAP protocol, to read, delete, filter, sort into folders... and that's all. My mail reader (on the laptop) does two things: - remotely views and manipulates incoming and older messages that live on the server PC, controlled by Cyrus - directly sends outgoing mail to the ISP's SMTP server So, basically with this stripped-down version, I'll have almost the arrangement that I had before (with mail reader going direct to ISP for both receiving and sending), but I'll insert an archive and handler (IMAP on the new server) into the incoming leg of my mail activity, while the outgoing leg will be exactly as before. ISP sees no change. What I gain is what I want - the mail repository is local on my network, but no longer "local" on the PC that reads the mail (which might be booting either Mac OS X or Linux or which might be another PC entirely sometimes). A remaining question: I'm far away from my Linux PC right now, but does IMAP not handle "sent mail" folders? I'm concerned that that would be bypassed if I go directly from laptop to ISP, and I would not have archived sent-mail on the server. If that's the case, I guess I can live with "manually" managing Sent Mail archive on the laptop and just copying over to the server at intervals. The trade-off in simplicity is worth it. I may have to go home early just to try this. :-) [in my best Montgomery Burns voice] "E-e-exxcellent" Thank you both. I feel that I have a much better grasp of it now -- especially of what I _don't_ need. To be confirmed, of course. Kevin The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it.

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user input bash scripting
by Chadley Wilson 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Greetings,,, Mmmm, I hit a blank I know how to use read in conbination with echo, but have forgotten what we use for passing parameters to a script: for example If I write script called hello you would executei it like so : ./hello James capture James as a variable,,,, etc I just can't remeber how to do it. Please Help Thanks -- -- Chadley Wilson Production Line Superintendant Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================

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RE: [SLE] Web-cyradm on SLSS8?
by Richard Mixon (qwest) 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Oops - sorry, I had cyradmin installed on SLES8, not SLSS8. I am not sure if SLSS8 had the same problem with postfix not having MySQL support. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Mixon (qwest) [mailto:rnmixon@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:15 AM To: 'suse-slstd-e(a)suse.com'; 'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com' Subject: RE: [SLE] Web-cyradm on SLSS8? Vince, I did it about fifteen months ago. Since have switched to SLES9 and LDAP - wish I has still on cyradm, it was much easier to administer. IIRC, the major issue was getting a version of postfix with mysql support compiled in - had to do it myself, which was a new experience for me. The MySQL SuSE shipped did not have that option. Wish I had more specifics, but its been awhile and both machines have been reformatted and upgraded to SLES9. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: Vince Kimball [mailto:vkimball@ms-group.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:25 AM To: suse-slstd-e(a)suse.com; suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: [SLE] Web-cyradm on SLSS8? Hi, Has anyone tried to install web-cyradm on SLSS8? Just looking for any pointers or tips. Thanks in advance. -- Vince Vince Kimball Micro Support Group, Inc. 6 Washington Street Beverly, MA 01915 Phone: (978) 921-0617 Fax: (978) 922-8885 vkimball(a)ms-group.com STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Micro Support Group immediately at either (978) 921-0617 or at info(a)ms-group.com, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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Web-cyradm on SLSS8?
by Vince Kimball 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hi, Has anyone tried to install web-cyradm on SLSS8? Just looking for any pointers or tips. Thanks in advance. -- Vince Vince Kimball Micro Support Group, Inc. 6 Washington Street Beverly, MA 01915 Phone: (978) 921-0617 Fax: (978) 922-8885 vkimball(a)ms-group.com STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Micro Support Group immediately at either (978) 921-0617 or at info(a)ms-group.com, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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SLICK: Suse LIte: Core + KDE
by Matija 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

I've been thinking about Linux distributions and their problems, most notably the dependancy-installation difficulties, binary incompatibility and the size of (even basic installations). How many people would be interested in a project similar to my proposal here: http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/SLICK It is a proposition of a lightweight Linux distro based on SUSE which aims to preserve all of SUSE's strengths, but eliminate duplication of programs and try to provide a more distribution-neutral packaging method. There are many reasons both for and against this and I would appreciate the community's take on the subject. Cheers, Mat

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RE: [SLE] Seeking help with mail-server setup
by mlist＠safenet-inc.com 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Per Jessen [mailto:per@computer.org] replied to my confused wonderings: > mlist(a)safenet-inc.com wrote: > > So, I thought I'd set fetchmail to get my mail from the ISP > onto the tower, > > then use CyrusIMAP to serve my mailreader on the laptop. I > understand that > > postfix has to be www.allwww.allo.cho.chin there somewhere > (at least for the outgoing > mail being > > sent to the ISP's SMTP server, and probably for some other > part of handling > > - not clear on that. > > Yep, you'll need postfix (or exim or sendmail) for inbound > and outbound mail. Um. But do the terms "inbound" and "outbound" refer only to the directions "to-and-from the ISP"? So, if I'm understanding this, fetchmail grabs from ISP POP and drops at some standard place (or a configured place?), postfix grabs what fetchmail brought and feeds it to IMAP (Cyrus in this case), CyrusIMAP sits on it, fielding read and write and folder-filing requests that come from my laptop that's using some mailreader program, CyrusIMAP places any messages that my mailreader wants to send in a place where postfix can see it... but not the same place that fetchmail put the POP'ed mail... and postfix feeds those sent messages to the ISP's SMTP server? Or is there another program at the end to do the talking to the SMTP server? So postfix is grabbing from both directions and placing/pushing in both directions? I didn't quite follow that when I invoked YaST "Network Services > Mail Transfer Agent". > > By the way, I don't have static IP from my ISP (I can get > for an extra ten > > or twenty bucks per month if that will make a difference.) > > If you intend to use fetchmail, it doesn't matter. Ok. I didn't see where it would matter, in either direction, since actions are always being initiated from my location, not from out in the world, but while I was googling on this general topic, I encountered more than one mail thread in which somebody asked the inquirer if he had static or dynamic IP... as though it mattered in context. That's the trouble when starting something new. Every bit of info seems as important or relevant as every other. We can only filter out the words of people who don't really know or words that apply to a different context... after we've figured out the topic and become confident and competent in it. > > At 16:03 yesterday, two messages from another mailing list > were grabbed and > > put into /var/spool/mail (also /var/mail) in a file called > "elefino" (my ID > > on that computer... I'm writing from my work account "mlist" at this > > moment). That's the only mail I've seen that fetchmail > might have handled. > > The fetchmail log says that it has retrieved several more > messages in the > > hours since four o'clock yesterday afternoon, but I don't > know where they > > are going. > > Did you instruct fetchmail to deliver mails to postfix? I "instructed" whatever YaST "Network Services > Mail Transfer Agent" instructed. It mostly doesn't actually SAY what programs it is talking about, just refers to "Incoming" or "Outgoing" or server or host in ways that leave me perplexed about which leg of the operation is being config'd. > > I looked in /var/spool/postfix, and it has a nice structure > of directories > > including active, bounce, corrupt, defer, deferred, flush, > hold, incoming, > > maildrop... Half of them were created/modified in March (when this > > version of SuSE was released) and the rest were created > yesterday. They > > all appear empty. I have to view them as root, because of > the permissions. > > You can ignore those. Any mail should turn up in /var/mail/ . Eek! So... if postfix is so important to the whole process -- you seem to have said it takes inbound from fetchmail and outbound from CyrusIMAP -- then it doesn't even use its own nifty directory structure? Yup, this stuff is simple and straightforward all right. <g> > > Does fetchmail hand off directly to CyrusIMAP? or is it > Postfix that handles > > it between fetchmail and CyrusIMAP? > > It depends on your setup, but presumably fetchmail hands off > to postfix, which then > delivers to directories from which CyrusIMAP can serve out > mail to end-users. > > > Somewhere I read about port 25? > > That would be SMTP port for inbound mail. Inbound... I thought SMTP was what the ISP used to send _outbound_ mail to the internet. It was this switching of the meaning of "inbound/incoming" and "outbound/outgoing" that really helped confuse me. Ok... if I think about that... SMTP _inbound_ on my server would be... where? Where mail comes from my clients on its way to the ISP? Nah. Not with IMAP. The mail doesn't live on the client - it lives on the IMAP server. Oh wait... does the IMAP server have to use a port to get mail to postfix that is intended to go out to the internet? Or does it just drop its "outbound" messages in a directory that postfix watches and recognizes as "give this to the ISP"?? Or did I have that all wrong and every POP server must talk to an SMTP server? Then fetchmail has the inbound SMTP port to get the messages from the ISP's POP server? A lot of this is going to make sense when it becomes clear what people mean by "inbound/incoming" and "outbound/outgoing" in every context. So far... not. > > Where do I find out? > > I would suggest reading a few howtos - there's plenty of good > readable material on > fetchmail, postfix and the whole process/setup. No two seem to say the same (unless one is a rip-off of another). I have read a few... don't know if they were the good ones, which is how I got confused about what gets used when and where? For example, the bit above where postfix has created all those nice directories and then both postfix and I should ignore them? Also, I think that some howtos might have assumed that the client would be coming to a POP server while others that it would be coming to an IMAP server, and there seem to be differences in the handling and differences in what inbound and outbound mean, depending where a program is in a chain and what the configuration of the chain is. I was guessing that "outbound" should always refer to "toward the ISP". So, when postfix picks up mail from fetchmail, that's "inbound" and is found in a different directory than when postfix picks up my client's replies from (say) CyrusIMAP? But can that second category be called "outbound" since it's coming IN to postfix, and does postfix have yet another place to put mail that it received from (say) IMAP and that is now "outbound" to the ISP? Is there a Howto with pictures and circles and arrows? If I had a working example in front of me to pick at, this would probably make sense, but I have to "get it" first before I can have a working example. My new setup might already be perfectly functional, and I just haven't found the "on" switch. :-) I might be leaning on the "on" switch and not even recognize it. Anyway, I'll have stuff to play with when I get home tongight. Thanks, Kevin The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it.

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Re: [SLE] PDF to TXT (ascii) ... helppppppp
by FX Fraipont 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote: > I downloaded Acroread 7.0 from the site you indicated. > I still have Acroread 6.0 installed. > Shall I uninstall the current version before installing the new one > through Yast ? > To install the new version is the following command right: > > #rpm -Uvh AdobeReader_enu-7.0.0-2.i386.rpm > yes. Uninstalling 6 is not necessary. But wait, I'm trying out the various solutions I proposed on the file you sent, and they are NOT convincing to say the least ... Acrobat reader 7 saved to *.txt > gibberish Acrobat reader 7 copy text paste to Openoffice > gibberish Open pdf in Kword > gibberish pdftk > useless pdf2html > gibberish I've just installed acrobat 5 for windows through crossover wine, and export to txt > gibberish I've then downloaded Acrobar Reader professional tryout version for windows (100mb) and installed it on my son's computer. It opens your pdf fine, but saving as .txt has it choke on page 21. I have used the recommended conversion methos repeatedly in the past, and they have worked fairly well, but I had never used it with a file as complex as the dreaded Bagheri file. Have you considered getting in touch with the author and requesting another format? I'm afraid this is the only thing I can recommend, having unsuccessfully tried all the other options :-( fx

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Command History Auditing
by Stephen Hughes 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hi All We're currently going through an audit on our systems here and have a few requirements I need to meet in this regard. I need to have a unique history file for each user that users a shared account for administration purposes i.e. oracle. I'm able to setup a unique history file with the HISTFILE= variable but is there a way that I can redirect the command history to another file as well as the $HISTFILE for my auditing purposes. I'm looking to set this up so I have a record of the users commands in case they try to edit their $HISTFILE to cover their tracks. Stephen Disclaimer "Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official business of Medscheme Holdings ( Pty ) Ltd ( Reg Number 1970/015014/07 ) is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Medscheme Holdings does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Medscheme Holdings. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information and data transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, no liability or responsibility whatsoever is accepted if information or data is,for whatever reason, corrupted or does not reach its intended destination."

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Re: [SLE] Is there any way to install SuSE from HDD?
by James Knott 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Do you or do you not have a bootable floppy or CD/DVD drive? I'm not going to keep guessing at how to solve your problem, without some idea of what your situation is. I'm running a bit short of miracles these days. JERKII.SHANG wrote: > BUT, it is so unfortunately that I havn't any floppies installed on my > computer. > :( > I can install Debian from hdd through using GRUB for DOS. and I don't > know is it can be used also to install SuSE by the same way....??? > > any way, thanks for your help. :) > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Knott" <james.knott(a)rogers.com> > To: <suse-linux-e(a)suse.com> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SLE] Is there any way to install SuSE from HDD? > > >> JERKII.SHANG wrote: >>> Thanks for your reply, but could you give me more detail about it? >>> Currently, Only Windwos 2003 server was installed in my SUMSUNG P30, and >>> I have 4 partions: >>> C:(NTFS) D:(NTFS) E:(NTFS) F(FAT32) >>> and my Windows 2003 was placed whithin driver C. >>> now I want to install SuSE within driver F. but i can't find a CD R/W >>> now, so I wish to install SuSE from hdd. >> >> The details are a bit long to go into here, but are for the most part >> covered in the Admin guide. Essentially, you build boot floppies, from >> the CD ISO image. You also have to copy either all the CD ISOs or the >> DVD contents to a hard drive. Then boot the computer, using the >> floppies and choose install from a hard drive. You will have to specify >> the drive and directory, where SuSE is located. I have done this, but >> booted from the first CD, instead of a floppy and it works fine. >> >> -- >> Check the headers for your unsubscription address >> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com >> Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com >> Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com >> >> >

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Re: [SLE] PDF to TXT (ascii) ... helppppppp
by Graham Smith 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

This is a reply I sent to Maura before I saw all the relies regarding the subject on the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Maura, I could be wrong but from looking at the file it appears the text is not font based. So it appears the only way to extract the text is using OCR and given the number of symbols used in the file it is going to be a hard task. I tried extracting the text using a Java based tool called Multivalent.jar which can be found at:- http://multivalent.sourceforge.net/ From the text extraction command manual there is the following note:- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that sometimes text can be drawn not with fonts but with vector shapes or in an image; to extract this, run OCR software. see http://multivalent.sourceforge.net/Tools/doc/ExtractText.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This more than likely explains why we are getting crap when we try to extract the text using either Acroread or Kword. I notice that when selecting a line of text in Acroread it will not cleanly identify the line, thus indicating that it is graphics and not text. (Check out the Cursor). I don't know of any good OCR packages in Linux good enough to extract the text from a pdf. So you will need to look at some of the Windows packages specialising in doing pdf OCR. Some of these may run under Wine or Crossover. Have you tried contacting the Author or the University to see if you can get the document in any other format? -- Regards, Graham Smith

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