December 2005 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Acer Ferrari 4000 and linux
by J. Scott Thayer, M.D. 29 Dec '05

29 Dec '05

Can anyone tell me if they have experience loading linux (my current version is 9.3) on this laptop? I have to go into the hospital for a prolonged stay in the near future and would love to have linux available to me on my laptop to pass the time. I tried a live CD version and it did load but I was unable to get graphics beyond the framebuffer with 16 colors. I know what a difficult subject this is but I would sure appreciate any help I could get. Thanks. Scott

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Expert Partitioning Q
by B Stia 29 Dec '05

29 Dec '05

Hello SuSE experts, This thread was formerly "LVM problems" Since nobody replied, I will update my attempts at mastering LVM, and a few simple questions. Now the questions: 1. Why ???? does the partitioner want to label the hard drive ms dos ?? That line is highlighted red when you get to the final screen for the partitions setup. I think that means trouble, right? That is the only problem. I have looked at that every which way and can't seem to find a way to change that. I previously asked this question. 2. When using the LVM do you, or do you not, need to create an extended partition? The answer is no, you do not. Just make a regular primary partition an LVM and put all of separate partitions in there. (PV's) Hope everybody out there had great Holidays and are getting ready for New Year. Bob S.

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RE: [SLE] OO: If you can make it, I can break it!
by Patrick Freeman 29 Dec '05

29 Dec '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: elefino [mailto:kevinmcl@magma.ca] <big snip> > At work, my main desktop machine runs Win XP Pro. From the time that > I press the power switch, until the time that the hard disk stops > churning, > takes a minute or so, including the few seconds that it takes me to > authenticate. The company and I have both added some extra > stuff that lives in the tray, and that has added a few seconds. That's amazing. > When I boot SuSE 9.3 on that computer, or SuSE 10 on my home > computer (the one that I'm writing from, at this moment), it takes > many minutes for SuSE to load, then (after I login) it takes a further > few minutes for KDE to load. The difference between starting after > a clean shutdown, versus starting and re-opening apps (like multiple > Konqi windows) that I might have left open at last shutdown is a > very small portion of the total start time, so I discount that portion. My testing has been very minimal -- but I have noticed a pretty long time to boot when I selected everything on the DVD (for SuSE). Because of some requirements at work, I use office more often (via vmware) than I do OOo (and I can't really speak on the apps front anyway). I do know that every other install I have had when I was judicious on the install, smoked windows in responsiveness for everything that I did -- and did not *seem* to be much longer on the boot time. One of the points I made, is that windows has addressed the very issue that you complain about quite well -- which is the customer experience -- real or perceived (and you are describing real numbers). I think that a lot of ground can be covered by a distro vendor or third party, if they would address this facet (and not necessarily in a copy-windows-behavior mode) of the OS. I think the majority of the desktop market is served best by the things which annoy those of us who are current Linux fans. The new breed of Linux fans will be the ones who find it as satisfying from a productivity and user experience perspective without being at all interested in the technology. I like Linux better, primarily, because the more I learn about it, the more I can do with it -- that is, it includes almost everything that I would want and if not, I can get and install something that does pretty easily and the learning curve for new apps is more shallow (in my experience). Linux is like a good statistical graphic (in the words of Edward Tufte:) -- it rewards closer inspection. I think Linux is at a tipping point, however, in that the gap you describe in your experience will be addressed by *someone* and Linux adoption on the desktop will skyrocket. I don't think it will happen the way some people predict, because the value proposition for the majority of the desktop market just won't be there to cause them to bare the pain of transition. Microsoft will address the problem by reducing financial barriers, addressing security concerns, etc... as well -- the business case for Linux on the desktop will not grow by the same magnitude that the useability of Linux on the desktop grows. <big snip> Thanks, Patrick

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RE: [SLE] OO: If you can make it, I can break it!
by Kai Ponte 29 Dec '05

29 Dec '05

> On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 21:23 -0500, Patrick Freeman wrote: > > > Excel in Windows on the same PC > > > opens instantly, even on cold boot. So does Lotus123 and the > > > spreadsheet app in Wordperfect Office (I never use it, can't remember > > > the name). > > > > 1) M$ spends a lot of time to make you think the system is up when it is > > not yet complete. To their credit, some functionality becomes available > > very early even though not everything is ready. Any app written with > > their development tools will likely take advantage of the same kind of > > early partial availability -- or see 2). > > I mentioned the other office suites specifically for this reason. Even > with the quickstarted (which should give OOo the same advantage), it > still takes a good while longer than any other office suite to start. > Heck, Word/Excel even starts faster through Crossover Office than > OpenOffice does. Which pretty much eliminates the OS aspect of the > argument, doesn't it? > > > 2) Windows loads a lot of bloat (even right in the operating system > > kernel) -- which means a lot of stuff, libraries, etc ... is pre-loaded > > and all you are doing is starting a thin interface to it. > Doesn't change the fact that OOo starts slow. I really don't care what > they do to make it faster. On my notebook OOo takes 8 seconds to > display the spash screen, and another 5 seconds from there to bring up > the Writer interface. That is unacceptable. Hans, that DOES seem slow. What version of SUSE/SuSE are you using? Also what are your general specs? As I mentioned in my email, OOo takes about five seconds to go from click to typing on Write. I think it is about the same on Calc. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part

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Re: [SLE] Network Adapter
by Eric Hines 29 Dec '05

29 Dec '05

I wouldn't go with USRobotics for your SUSE box. I couldn't get theirs to run in a 9.3 setup, and their customer service was unresponsive. I wound up going with a Netgear NIC, and that dropped right in. I'd also stick with Netgear and Intel NICs for the Win98 box; although back when Win98 was current, the USRobotics NICs were reliable. At 12/28/05 16:42, RutePoint wrote: >nowadays almost whatever NIC you purchase that is less than 4 years old is >almost guaranteed to work > > >On 12/29/05, John Graddy <jgraddy(a)wimberley-tx.com> wrote: > > > > I am running SuSe 10 with a motherboard that has an on board 100Mb > > network > > adapter. (The on-board adapter that I have is listed by Tast as a "Holco > > Enterprises Co, Ltd/Shuttle nForce2 controller"). > > . > > I also have a system running SuSE 10 with a motherboard that has no > > network > > adapter and a PC running Windows 98 with a motherboard with no adapter. > > > > I would like to network these three systems into a wired network. Does > > anyone > > have a suggestion on a wired PCI adaptor card to use on the two systems > > with > > no on-board adapters? The hardware DB hasn't been much help. > > > > > > Thanks, > > John There is no nonsense so errant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action. --Bertrand Russell

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Network Adapter
by John Graddy 28 Dec '05

28 Dec '05

I am running SuSe 10 with a motherboard that has an on board 100Mb network adapter. (The on-board adapter that I have is listed by Tast as a "Holco Enterprises Co, Ltd/Shuttle nForce2 controller"). . I also have a system running SuSE 10 with a motherboard that has no network adapter and a PC running Windows 98 with a motherboard with no adapter. I would like to network these three systems into a wired network. Does anyone have a suggestion on a wired PCI adaptor card to use on the two systems with no on-board adapters? The hardware DB hasn't been much help. Thanks, John

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Re: [SLE] OO: If you can make it, I can break it!
by Kai Ponte 28 Dec '05

28 Dec '05

> On Wednesday 28 December 2005 07:29, Kai Ponte wrote: > Jeez... I wish I had your problems, either of you... > > I have an Athlon 1.1 GHz with 3/4 Gig of memory and 7600rpm hard disks. > Running SuSE 10.0, KDE 3.5. > > I just went to the "K" menu, "Office > Word Processor > OpenOffice.org > Writer". > > It took almost exactly 30 seconds for Writer to open (the splash screen > appeared at 12 seconds), finish populating the toolbars, and give me a > text-entry cursor in a new (empty) document. > If I had done the same with an existing small OOo document, it would > have taken an extra few seconds to get the document opened. > > If I had clicked the OpenOffice Suite instead, it would have been much > longer even than 30 seconds. That's because you're in Canada and it is really cold there, so the disk drives have to de-ice prior to spinning... ...do you have the OOo quickstarter launched? It REALLY helps out in the speed up of OOo times. It also doesn't really take away from starting KdE (which admittedgly takes about six hours). If you haven't, go to Geeko > System > Desktop Applet > OpenOffice.org Quickstarter. It should ask a few questions and you're off. Oh, and I just opened and excel spreadsheet in calc. I've got my 1.9 GHz Centrino laptop with 1 GB of RAM. It loaded the spreadsheet in eight seconds. (I am also ripping a Church CD in KAudioCreator, so that may have added to the time.) -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part

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Routing Enormous Traffic for Video Studio #2
by Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) 28 Dec '05

28 Dec '05

Hi, --- Sorry, small addition to post #1 Anyone had and experience (or just ideas) how to use Linux server in video studio for sharing RAID between 3 - 4 Power Mac workstations, taking into account enormous traffic generated by video capture and editing? One solution is to use Apple XRaid, XSan, and 2 XServe (1 pc will work, but 2 pcs are better, one is used for routing traffic, second for data transfer). Unfortunately, this is OUT of budget (Fibre Channel SAN system is not a solution for a project with strict budget). My idea is to use 3Ware Escalade Card (with 8x500 GB HDs formatted as 4 Level-0 RAIDs), installed into Linux box, and 4-port Gigabit Ethernet Card. The question is how to organize traffic routing between this Linux box and 4 PowerMacs (all of them have Gigabit Ethernet on-board), so each Mac could see every RAID, yet passing exclusively all traffic through defined Ethernet port on server (in order to avoid Ethernet link saturation and video frame dropout)? Additionally, all Macs should see each other. Of course, its possible to connect each Mac to own Ethernet port on Linux box, but in this case Macs will NOT see each other! Phew, complex and unusual, but that is a challenge :-)) Thanks in advance for any suggestion(s). ************************************************ *** with best regards *** Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) *** Mac, Linux, DTP, Programming Web Site *** *** http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac/ ************************************************

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Re: [SLE] yahoodsl
by Kai Ponte 28 Dec '05

28 Dec '05

> When I tried and set up my mother's yahoosbc dsl, not knowing what I was doing > I tried to do it with dhcp and my have set it in a loop for now she can not > got to Yahoo.com or anywhere on Yahoo. Even when I got there dns numbers and > entered them got there but then non of the links on the site work. Even when > I do a google search and find Yahoo there all links fail with cannot find > Yahoo. > I find with my mother's 9.2 system on Verizon/Yahoo DSL, she'll login and then it will be two or three minutes before the DHCP picks up and allows her to get out to any sites or check her email. Fortunately, she just leaves the system on for days at a time and it goes into a sleep mode, which maintains the connection. My guess is that the service takes a few mintues to grant a DHCP request and assign an IP addy. Dunno why. I have a static IP on my home system, so I never notice this. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part

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Re: [SLE] OT: Tax software: Comments, votes
by Kai Ponte 28 Dec '05

28 Dec '05

> > > > Kevin (in Canada, where our tax man doesn't speak IRS, and neither > > > does our tax software) > > > > Count your blessings. > > Um, you haven't met our tax man. He's just as bad as yours. It's just > that he speaks a slightly different dialect. US Agent: Um, excuse me, but you forgot to sign your 1040. Canadian Agent: Um, excuse me, eh, but you forgot to sign your 5000-R, eh. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part

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