September 2004 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[SLE] Machine Building - Nightmare Alley - Compatibility and Upgrade
by Ted Hilts 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Anyone having experience and useful information on this subject, PLEASE respond. I have tried several times to email you back but the list has been rejecting my email thinking it to be much larger than it is. Since that time my entire email system has been in trouble. Some kind of virus was pumped through my Linux gateway machine and into my XP Netscape managed email system. I lost some 7000 messages before I had everything fixed and running again. Only my Inbox was hit and made completely useless. Any way I would like to pick up from where I lost my email ability and so have created a new thread on compatibility issues when building a new Linux machine. I notice there is a somewhat similar thread of a 64 bit Gigabyte board. Does anyone know where I would get CHIPSET information in the Linux SuSe 9.1 help files? However I'm not sure if this (as a separate exercise) would ensure compatibility. See what I have to say further on and everyone is welcome to comment. Hans Thank you so very much for your very informative and detailed reply. Can you make a specific recommendation from the most recent Gigabyte boards (including processor choice, memory choice, on board "Chip Set", etc.). If you feel safe in your recommendation I would appreciate hearing back from you on your recommendation. I don't want an older Gigabyte board? I have 2 CICERO computers (one XP, the other XP Pro, manufactured for Future Shop, a computer and appliance super store here in Canada) I mention this only because the XP machine CPU board died and the extended warranty applied. The service company wanted to put a different board in because the original was no longer manufactured. I guess this must be a problem with big retail chains -- they constantly shop around for the best deal from a money standpoint rather than a quality standpoint. Anyway, I insisted that the repair service find a board with the same chipset (so I could use my backup if required) and hopefully so we could bring the system back up from the existing disk boot MBR. It went well except some applications reinitialized. The new board was a Gigabyte P4 Titan socket 478 mother board with a Pentium 4 processor running a little less that about 2 Gig (or so I understand). The model was GA-8SIMLH-P SIS651/962I/AGP4X/Socket478 for Pentium 4/2 DDR DIMM/Micro ATX/LAN/6-CH Codec/USB 2.0/. As a result of this board switch the graphic card misfunctions using HotMetal Pro 6 web authoring tool and I had to use the built in on board graphics function (at lower resolution) which steals memory to operate. BUT I have never used a Gigabyte CPU board for Linux let alone one with an AMD chip. Yes, you have somewhat relieved my concerns but I would feel better if you or someone else could come up with a recent or the same board along with all the components in the system. That graphics board which I cannot use was costly. The other day I began to experiment around with a refurbished unit (Pentium 4 at 450M -- would have preferred at least 1 gig) unit and had installed Linux SuSe 9.0 from a CD-Rom kit that came with a magazine. It came with 2 CDs, desktop and server. I could not install TELNET, FTP and other servers as both CDs seemed to be identical and desktop. The desktop was nice but I did this towards getting a SuSe based server centric gateway/router system up and running. The first problem other than no servers to speak of was the the LAN NIC card was not detected. I put in an expensive 3 Com card (my maintenance spare) and it was immediately detected. By this time I am getting upset as I spent an entire day fighting with the Magazine special (full distribution, they claimed) SuSe 9.0. The other day my wife and I made a 63 mile one way trip to Edmonton (Alberta, Canada) from our farm location where I have my home and development LAN (some 15 computers, Linux, XP, and Win95) to Compuserve where I paid $129.00 CDN dollars for SuSe 9.1 Pro and I am hoping the Box set will give me all the servers I want. It costs about $20.00 to $30.00 dollars to drive round trip to the city and shop around plus meals. So now I have the SuSe User and Reference Manual and I don't have to go blind (my eyes are very sensitive) reading a PDF file from a bright glaring screen. I decided that the price was close enough to the large money exchange difference between USA and CDN dollars plus shipping and other charges to buy the box set from the store rather than have it shipped to me by courier from the USA. Also I notice that Linux now has more than ext2. My current Linux machines all run ext2 and they were put together using SuSe 6.4 and 6.2. One of my concerns is that almost all these computers are unique with most having a different CPU board than the other. I could not afford the Enterprise version and am having a hard time understanding the difference between the 9.1 Pro and the Enterprise version other than the enterprise version comes with a special server (s) that do MORE of what I don't know but do it from a central network location and somehow bridge the differences between machines . So I am gambling that 9.1 Pro will at least give me what I've got with 6.4 Suse but more recent. Another concern, and I thought I had it solved with 6.4 SuSe was the ability to make transparent upgrades including the kernel. But SuSe has told me by email (from the pre purchase sales department) that I will have to install their SuSe 9.1 distribution from scratch on all my SuSe machines. I am hoping that 9.1 will allow me to install the latest browsers as they evolve and other things. I CANNOT do this now with SuSe 6.4. I tried installing Netscape (again using the binary from one of these Magazine CDs) and the first problem was I was lacking certain libraries and even if I went out and got them there was probably some incompatibilities between the kernel calls of my present kernel and what the binary for Netscape would be calling and expecting as results. And it turns out that with 9.1 Pro I have obtained the latest KDE. So I am beginning to wonder how best to put a system together when it is possible it could go obsolete hardware and software wise over night. I was going to ask some of these questions in a separate email to the list. I notice a lot of people are having problems of various sorts with SuSe 9.1 (mine is PRO and not yet installed until I have thoroughly read the manuals), So, as you probably recognized, I am trying to get as educated as possible on my next few Linux projects (since 6.4 distribution) in and effort to thwart my LAN from turning into a monstrosity to maintain -- although I think it has come close to that state already. I need a 60 hour day to keep up with the problems. So that's why I am trying to get a dependable and maintainable set up. That involves being able to upgrade on a continuous basis and do it transparently to the existing system, including the kernel. I notice on this list (I subscribe to 14 SuSe lists) a lot of hype about Red Carpet which appears by the e-mail to be some kind of upgrade/installation facility based on RPMs. For a week now I have seen e-mail on this subject but have had time only to read a few. I would like to read them all. I don't think this facility comes with the SuSe 9.1 Pro distribution BUT I am looking for an application that will allow me to make "seamless" upgrades" to my Linux systems once I wipe them of the hard drives and install SuSe 9.1 Pro on the works. What I am going to do, and this really hurts financially, is simply save the old hard drives and put in new hard drives . That way I can go back to the original system and data by putting back the original drives (about 3 per unit, although one has 7). That is one of the reasons why I have another email on backups. I want to make a single backup of the first SuSe 9.1 installation and then use that backup (if possible) regardless of the difference in computers (CPU, graphics boards, sound boards, LAN NIC, etc.) . If this is even possible and no one on the list has yet been able to demonstrate it is possible, then there is still the task of identifying each LINUX computer with its own (original) name and original static IP address which involves numerous config (hosts, smb.conf, httpd.conf, and many others) and other locations within the distribution. Can't see the screen very well any more so I will generate more information if you get back to me on what I have already written. ANYONE else is also welcome to join in. Bye to all, thanks, TED

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Suse 9.1: Microphone doesn't work
by Sune Jespersen 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi. With Suse 9.1 on a pentium 4 pc and kernel 2.6.5-7.104-default, I am having trouble getting my mike to work (krecorder, skype). I am using SB Audigy 2 (configured in yast2), and it works well under Win XP on the same pc. The speakers work fine in Linux too. I turned up the mike volume in kmix. Blank screen under kmix input. Any suggestions? Sune -- Sune Nørhøj Jespersen

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Mailman issues on 9.0
by Misty Stanley-Jones 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I am trying to get mailman to work. Following the instructions in /usr/share/doc/packages/mailman/README.SuSE. This is Suse 9.0. When I run the following command that it tells me to run, this is the outputI get: honk:/usr/share/doc/packages/mailman # /usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman Enter the email of the person running the list: admin(a)borkholder.com Initial mailman password: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 441, in Create Utils.ValidateEmail(postingaddr) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 209, in ValidateEmail raise Errors.MMHostileAddress, s Mailman.Errors.MMHostileAddress: mailman@(unused) honk:/usr/share/doc/packages/mailman # Any clue what I am doing wrong? I just remembered there may be an update so I should go check that, but I look forward to any info you can give me. Thanks, Misty

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[SLE] Mozilla browser gone after YaST update of firefox to 0.9.3
by Clarence Chung 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

i'm running SuSE 9.1, and after the update, just by typing mozilla at the terminal wont' give me mozilla, instead firefox....i had to run /opt/mozilla/lib/run-mozilla.sh to get to mozilla browser......same for everyone or is it just me?

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PGP keyserver
by Danny Sauer 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Ok, so this is really a gpg/pgp question, but what are you guys using for a keyserver? I have "keyserver search.keyserver.net" in my .gnupg/options and it never finds anything + never publishes my darned key. Is there a working keyserver out there somewhere that I can switch over to? This list is about the only place it matters, so I'm looking for opinions from you folks... Thanks. --Danny

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how to unmount device that is busy?
by Henry Tang 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

when i try to umount a drive it says device busy.. i check whos using it using fuser and nothing found. I guess a reboot should do the trick but is there another way? Also the -f doesn't work either. henry

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yast & wifi
by Josephine 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hello list got a sony vaio PCG-srx41P with Lucent/IEEE wifi card (orinoco chipset) that worked properly in suse 8.2 now i have 9.1 with 2.6.5-7.108-default kernel, yast2-2.9.60-5, yast2-network-2.9.57-0.2 and no acpi. I first tried to load the orinoco_cs modules, as Yast offered me as default. as iwconfig showed me nothing, i tried, from Yast, to load the prism2_cs modules. after letting yast save the configuration, i did lsmod. no prims2_cs there. to see all changes i tried with yast, I kept kwifimanager open. allthough i set with yast to use channel 6 and I gave the wifi the AP IP address, kwifi continued to show me channel 10 and no AP. so I configured the card the manual way. whoop, i have wifi again. clearly , my suse seemed not to care what I configure with yast. so I straced it and found nice stuff: 18517 stat64("/etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/config", 0xbfffea50) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 18532 stat64("/etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/wireless", 0xbfffe920) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 18532 stat64("/etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/ifcfg-lo", 0xbfffe920) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) of course there is No such file or directory where yast is trying to write, because what he looks for is in /etc/sysconfig/network/. i tried then configuring the wired network. same problems. i had to manually configure it all. My question is: why is yast writing in the wrong place?? my wifi interface is eth1. how do i make changes permanent (writing to ifcfg-wlan0 helps with nothing)? thanks, Josephine

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Spamassasin + Kmail
by Martin Love 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi All, I have upgraded to KDE 3.3 and everything seems to be OK. I have just installed Spamassasin 2.63-32 with Kmail 1.7. I have also upgraded the kernel to 2.6.5-7.108-default All of the above has been done via YaST2 When I try and run the setup anti-spam wizard from with in Kmail it just crashes giving a sig 11 error. When I run the wizard I'm selecting all and moving spam mail to a directory called Spam. Here is a copy of the complete sig 11 error Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 1111242944 (LWP 8911)] [KCrash handler] #7 0x44207478 in ?? () #8 0x413548d4 in KXMLGUI::ActionList::unplug () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #9 0x413a2e5c in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::unplugClient () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #10 0x413a31b5 in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::unplugActions () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #11 0x413a323c in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::destruct () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #12 0x413a3433 in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::destructChildren () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #13 0x413a3230 in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::destruct () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #14 0x41447f67 in KXMLGUIFactory::removeClient () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #15 0x4145efa4 in KMainWindow::createGUI () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #16 0x40173697 in KMMainWin::slotUpdateToolbars () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #17 0x40174858 in KMMainWin::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #18 0x41ab1ecf in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #19 0x41ab1d6f in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #20 0x4037118c in KMMainWidget::modifiedToolBarConfig () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #21 0x403711fc in KMMainWidget::slotAntiSpamWizard () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #22 0x40371807 in KMMainWidget::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #23 0x41ab1ecf in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #24 0x41ab1d6f in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #25 0x4133ab09 in KAction::activated () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #26 0x4133ab2d in KAction::slotActivated () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #27 0x413437c1 in KAction::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #28 0x41ab1ecf in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #29 0x41e1480f in QSignal::signal () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #30 0x41acefee in QSignal::activate () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #31 0x41bc7303 in QPopupMenu::mouseReleaseEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #32 0x41ae9cc8 in QWidget::event () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #33 0x41a4ecab in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #34 0x41a4e2c1 in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #35 0x41668aee in KApplication::notify () from /opt/kde3/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #36 0x419e3c8e in QApplication::sendSpontaneousEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #37 0x419dc3be in QETWidget::translateMouseEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #38 0x419da4b4 in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #39 0x419f545b in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #40 0x41a63141 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #41 0x41a6305a in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #42 0x41a4ee17 in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #43 0x0804a996 in main () Thanks in advance, Martin

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KDE Menu Editor
by Michael Satterwhite 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 OK, I'm losing it. I'm trying to edit the System branch of the KDE Menu. If I click on the item in the menu, I see a *LOT* of different things under it. If I call up the menu editor and expand System, there is nothing there. How do I get to the items that actually show in the menu? tia - ---Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBNfksjeziQOokQnARAk5uAJ9DEkUGc+36F4uezfJ86SFUktM6OwCbBoa+ 5C3dPQoupKnGoK7zYsBt7WA= =Lu4v -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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yast2-packagemanager 2.9.37-0 conflit
by Matthias Titeux 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi everyone, I am running a SuSE 9.1 Pro I did all the available security update using YOU. And today i checked the Install/remove module (see SuSE-KDE list) to figure out if there were a problem (some people have to click twice to get it started). I don't have to click twice but surprisingly this message appeared (sorry system is in french !) #### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2004-09-01 19:11:08 #### yast2-packagemanager 2.9.37-0 conflit Requis par : yast2-packagemanager-devel n�essite yast2-packagemanager = 2.9.37- R�olution de conflit : ( ) Downgrade yast2-packagemanager-2.9.52-0.2 to Version 2.9.37-0 ( ) Supprimer tous les paquetages en r��ence 2 Suppression de yast2-core-devel Suppression de yast2-packagemanager-devel ( ) Ignorer ce conflit au risque d'incoh�ences du syst�e yast2-packagemanager-devel 2.9.37-0 conflit R�olution de conflit : ( ) Downgrade yast2-packagemanager-devel-2.9.52-0.2 to Version 2.9.37-0 ( ) Ignorer ce conflit au risque d'incoh�ences du syst�e #### YaST2 conflicts list END ### I didn't install nor remove any yast package myself, but maybe YOU did (security update). Is anyone know what I am suppose to do ? Thank you Regards Matthias -- __________________________________ Matthias Titeux, PhD INSERM U563 - CPTP Departement de Genetique fonctionnelle des maladies des epitheliums Batiment Lefebvre - 2eme etage CHU Purpan Avenue de Grande Bretagne 31059 Toulouse Cedex 03 FRANCE --------------- Tel: 33 (5) 62 74 45 03 _________________________________

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