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[opensuse] on leap 42.1: aaa_base and _extras version 13.2?
by cagsm 16 Nov '15

16 Nov '15

is this really supposed to be the version numbers and packages that are gonna be applied to a leap system? zypper lu Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+-----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------- v | 42.1-update-oss | aaa_base | 13.2+git20140911.61c1681-4.6 | 13.2+git20140911.61c1681-7.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | aaa_base-extras | 13.2+git20140911.61c1681-4.6 | 13.2+git20140911.61c1681-7.1 | x86_64 Linux linux 4.1.12-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 29 06:43:42 UTC 2015 (e24bad1) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="42.1" VERSION_ID="42.1" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 42.1 (x86_64)" ID=opensuse ANSI_COLOR="0;32" CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:opensuse:opensuse:42.1" BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.opensuse.org" HOME_URL="https://opensuse.org/" ID_LIKE="suse" rpm -q aaa_base aaa_base-13.2+git20140911.61c1681-4.6.x86_64 rpm -qi aaa_base Name : aaa_base Version : 13.2+git20140911.61c1681 Release : 4.6 Architecture: x86_64 Install Date: Wed Nov 4 22:43:21 2015 Group : System/Fhs Size : 266152 License : GPL-2.0+ Signature : RSA/SHA256, Sun Oct 25 08:57:43 2015, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284 Source RPM : aaa_base-13.2+git20140911.61c1681-4.6.src.rpm Build Date : Sun Oct 25 08:57:35 2015 Build Host : build71 Relocations : (not relocatable) Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org Vendor : openSUSE URL : https://github.com/openSUSE/aaa_base Summary : openSUSE Base Package Description : This package installs several important configuration files and central scripts. Distribution: openSUSE Leap 42.1 zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-----------------+-----------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+--------+---------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | 42.1-oss | 42.1-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | No | 99 | yast2 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ | 2 | 42.1-update-oss | 42.1-update-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | No | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/42.1/oss/ | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Problem with zypper update to Leap
by Jon Trygve Utne 15 Nov '15

15 Nov '15

Greetings, fellow OpenSUSE users! :-) I've been running 13.1 up until now, and have tried to upgrade to Leap, by following the recipee at https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade to the letter. The first step of upgrading to 13.2 worked perfectly. No issues at all. But when doing the same process all over to get from 13.2 to 42.1, I get this message when trying to zypper dup: # zypper dup --download in-advance Warning: You are about to do a distribution upgrade with all enabled repositories. Make sure these repositories are compatible before you continue. See 'man zypper' for more information about this command. Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Computing distribution upgrade... 69 Problems: Problem: nothing provides PackageKit = 1.0.7 needed by PackageKit-branding-openSUSE-42.1-1.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl = 5.18.2 needed by apparmor-utils-2.10-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides apper = 0.9.2 needed by apper-lang-0.9.2-2.4.noarch Problem: nothing provides yast2-storage >= 3.1.59 needed by autoyast2-installation-3.1.100-1.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides libgio-2_0-0 = 2.44.1 needed by gio-branding-openSUSE-42.1-2.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides glib-networking = 2.44.0 needed by glib-networking-lang-2.44.0-2.4.noarch Problem: nothing provides grub2 = 2.02~beta2-68.2 needed by grub2-snapper-plugin-2.02~beta2-68.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides gstreamer = 1.4.5 needed by gstreamer-lang-1.4.5-2.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides gtk2-theming-engine-adwaita = 3.16.2 needed by gtk2-metatheme-adwaita-3.16.2-2.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides libgtk-3-0 = 3.16.7 needed by gtk3-branding-openSUSE-42.1-1.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides k3b = 2.0.3 needed by k3b-lang-2.0.3-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides kipi-plugins = 4.13.0 needed by kipi-plugins-lang-4.13.0-2.3.noarch Problem: nothing provides konversation = 1.6 needed by konversation-lang-1.6-2.9.noarch Problem: nothing provides libreoffice = 5.0.2.2 needed by libreoffice-l10n-en-5.0.2.2-1.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides libreoffice = 5.0.2.2 needed by libreoffice-l10n-nb-5.0.2.2-1.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides marble = 15.08.1 needed by marble-data-15.08.1-1.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides marble = 15.08.1 needed by marble-doc-15.08.1-1.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides mc = 4.8.14 needed by mc-lang-4.8.14-3.8.noarch Problem: nothing provides nano = 2.4.2 needed by nano-lang-2.4.2-4.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Archive-Zip-1.53-1.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Config-Crontab-1.33-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Data-Dump-1.22-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Digest-HMAC-1.03-20.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Encode-Locale-1.03-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-File-Listing-6.04-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-HTML-Tagset-3.20-73.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-HTTP-Cookies-6.01-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-HTTP-Daemon-6.01-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-HTTP-Date-6.02-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-HTTP-Message-6.06-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-HTTP-Negotiate-6.01-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-IO-HTML-1.00-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-IO-Socket-SSL-1.962-4.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Image-ExifTool-10.00-6.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-LWP-MediaTypes-6.02-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-LWP-Protocol-https-6.04-7.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-MLDBM-2.05-7.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Net-Daemon-0.48-15.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Net-HTTP-6.06-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Net-SNMP-6.0.1-20.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-RPC-XML-0.77-6.4.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-SQL-Statement-1.405-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Test-Manifest-2.02-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Text-Wrapper-1.04-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Tie-IxHash-1.23-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-TimeDate-1.20-26.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-URI-1.60-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-WWW-RobotRules-6.02-9.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-XML-SAX-Base-1.08-10.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-XML-SAX-Expat-0.50-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-XML-Simple-2.20-6.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-XML-Twig-3.44-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-XML-Writer-0.623-3.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-XML-XPathEngine-0.14-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-libwww-perl-6.05-5.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides snapper = 0.2.9 needed by snapper-zypp-plugin-0.2.9-1.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides subversion = 1.8.10 needed by subversion-bash-completion-1.8.10-3.3.noarch Problem: nothing provides system-config-printer = 1.5.7 needed by system-config-printer-applet-1.5.7-3.6.noarch Problem: nothing provides dbus-1-python3 needed by system-config-printer-common-1.5.7-3.6.noarch Problem: nothing provides vlc-noX = 2.2.1 needed by vlc-noX-lang-2.2.1-11.5.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by yast2-apparmor-3.1.3-5.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides yast2 >= 3.1.126 needed by yast2-installation-3.1.161-1.1.noarch Problem: nothing provides dbus-1-python3 needed by system-config-printer-common-1.5.7-3.6.noarch Problem: nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by perl-Image-ExifTool-10.00-6.2.noarch Problem: nothing provides gtk2-theming-engine-adwaita = 3.16.2 needed by gtk2-metatheme-adwaita-3.16.2-2.2.noarch Problem: kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE-13.2-4.2.8.i586 requires ksplashx-branding-openSUSE = 13.2, but this requirement cannot be provided Problem: kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE-13.2-4.2.8.i586 requires susegreeter-branding-openSUSE = 13.2, but this requirement cannot be provided Problem: libnl3-200-3.2.25-2.1.2.i586 requires libnl-config >= 3.2.25, but this requirement cannot be provided Problem: gtk3-tools-3.14.15-21.1.i586 requires libgtk-3.so.0, but this requirement cannot be provided Problem: nothing provides PackageKit = 1.0.7 needed by PackageKit-branding-openSUSE-42.1-1.1.noarch Solution 1: keep obsolete PackageKit-branding-openSUSE-13.2-2.7.1.noarch Solution 2: break PackageKit-branding-openSUSE-42.1-1.1.noarch by ignoring some of its dependencies Choose from above solutions by number or skip, retry or cancel [1/2/s/r/c] (c): What should I do now? Is there something I've missed? Here is my repo list: # zypper repos --uri # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | URI --+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 | openSUSE-leap/42.1-1.10 | openSUSE-leap/42.1-1.10 | No | ---- | No | cd:///?devices=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-hp_DVD_A_DS8A8SH_6D7205040566,/dev/sr0 2 | repo-debug | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Debug | No | ---- | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ 3 | repo-debug-update | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Update-Debug | No | ---- | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/leap/42.1/ 4 | repo-debug-update-non-oss | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Update-Debug-Non-Oss | No | ---- | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/leap/42.1-non-oss/ 5 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Non-Oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/non-oss/suse 6 | repo-oss | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/suse 7 | repo-source | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Source | No | ---- | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ 8 | repo-update | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Update | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/42.1/oss 9 | repo-update-non-oss | openSUSE-leap/42.1-Update-Non-Oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/42.1/non-oss/ Any help would be very much appreciated. Apologies for any formatting problems! Many thanks in advance for your kind help! ---J.T.U. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Leap42 - do Firefox and Thunderbird not share certificates?
by Per Jessen 15 Nov '15

15 Nov '15

This is probably not Leap specific, but I thought at least Firefox and Thunderbird would be sharing certificates? (I'm guessing Chrome and Opera will certainly have their own, separate certificate storage) On Leap, I installed a new root certificate from Firefox. I expected Thunderbird to pick this up too, but it didn't. Am I expecting too much? I'm guessing systemwide root certificate are in /usr/share/pki/trust, what would be the right place for adding systemwide, local certificates? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] How to tell wicked to reconnect to a wifi network?
by Oscar C 14 Nov '15

14 Nov '15

Hi, Is there a way to tell wicked to automatically reconnect to the wifi network in case the wifi is lost? I'm using wicked to manage a text-only system (ARM based) and the only way to reconnect is to stop and start manually the wicked service. Thanks! -- Cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Spreadsheet : Paste-Special
by ellanios82 14 Nov '15

14 Nov '15

Hello List , - in case of interest : Paste-Special , from webpage Number , into Spreadsheet of LibreOffice : Version: 5.0.0.5 does not work : Edit ---> Paste-Special is not selectable , and remains greyed-out ............. regards ellan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Fonts are not right in my Thunderbird under Leap (Xfce)
by Carlos E. R. 14 Nov '15

14 Nov '15

Hi, This is how it displays: <http://susepaste.org/89482601> it doesn't look right, somehow. But I don't know where to look. Changing the default font in Th settings does nothing. The desktop apparently uses "Sans", whatever that is, but the preview there doesn't match what I see in Th. either. I have changed there to "Luxi Sans", to see if Th changes. Not that I can see :-? -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] mkinitrd resume device is wrong
by Istvan Gabor 13 Nov '15

13 Nov '15

Hello: I have copied an openSUSE 13.1 installation from a hard disk (dev/sdb2) to another one (/dev/sda2). After this on the new drive I changed /etc/fstab, /boot/grub/device.map and /boot/grub/menu.lst: replaced all old drive references with new drive references using uuids (I use grub1 legacy, not grub2).Then I chrooted to the new drive as: mount /dev/sda /mnt mount -B /sys /mnt/sys mount -B /dev /mnt/dev mount -B /proc /mnt/proc chroot /mnt Now I would like to make a new initrd. When I run mkinitrd it builds in the image a reference to a resume device which is my old drive: mkinitrd Kernel image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.11.10-29-desktop Initrd image: /boot/initrd-3.11.10-29-desktop KMS drivers: i915 Root device: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-<new-drive>-part2 (/dev/sda2) (mounted on / as ext4) Resume device: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-<old-drive>-part1 (/dev/sdb1) Kernel Modules: thermal_sys thermal processor fan scsi_dh scsi_dh_hp_sw scsi_dh_rdac scsi_dh_emc scsi_dh_alua video button i2c-algo-bit drm drm_kms_helper i915 ata_piix xhci-hcd hid-logitech-dj ... Features: acpi kms plymouth block usb resume.userspace resume.kernel How can I force mkinitrd to change resume device to the new drive /dev/sda1 instead of keeping the old drive /dev/sdb1? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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RE: Re: [opensuse] openSUSE Leap 42.1 vs. openSUSE 13.2
by stakanov＠freenet.de 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Anton Aylward > Gesendet: Do. 12.11.2015 14:57 ****SNIP**** > > Agreed, but the scope is much greater. > Yes and lets not forget that there are many other repositories as > well > as the build service. If you have specific needs there are many user > contributed projects under the build service. > > If you want a more up to date kernel there is Kernel_Stable. > > And obviously there is the Packman repository and similar which might > be > considered an essential. ***SNAP***** > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- Hi Anton. Of course it is, and the former does not exclude at all the latter. It would therefore be an idea (would you agree) to formulate the text as of above, then, as an integration something like the following (and I think that should/could have been formulated since some time: "But opensuse is more than just the naked distribution. Far from it, it serves you with a multiverse of project repos where developers make specific software available to the user and even /home/dev repos where yet more exotic or specialized needs can find a solution. opensuse is then living in successful symbiosis with the packman repositories, an external project providing packages to tumbleweed and leap that can make you opensuse experience even more fragrant" (to be "bitty": I am a bit overly "bloomy" here, but this just serves as a provocative/proactive example. Just to remind that promotion needs fantasy and is not a self-runner). Of course any reference to external project and the wording of it (like for packman) need imperatively IMO clearance with them. Otherwise one is provoking itches, that would not really be desirable, right? Below this text one could then let follow a link to the page with the repo descriptions (like the one that brought light in the confusion about the "who is who" of the KDE repos at the time, I found that quite a breath of fresh air when that was set up, answered well the questions arising. Did I capture with this what was your thought? IMO info at the site should be hierarchical, passing from an explanation of the main distributions available (with link on a page explaining EOL policy) to a part introducing to the "supplemental" repos available (explaining in a short note also the grade of reliability/liability/stability to expect and finally a hint to where to find collaborating external projects (after clearance, as of above). The logic is for me not to overload the eye, because people capture (if ever) max. two things at a time. (in order not to "favor" by stochastic one pathway over the other (tumbleweed or leap) one can place a "back to front-page link" in the bottom to bring the reader back to the original choice. In allowing at a glance to see 13.2, leap, tumbleweed with what versions they offer (a bit like distrowatch). At least, for what is "to invite and convince" I would rather favor a "hierarchical introductory text first" the better solution. YMMV --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Se avisa de la terminación del soporte de openSUSE 13.1
by Carlos E. R. 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

Más o menos, el 5 de enero. Pero la comunidad Evergreen seguirá proporcionando soporte limitado durante un tiempo. Para saber más, o ayudar, hay una lista de correo de Evergreen: List-Subscribe: <http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen>, <mailto:evergreen-request@lists.rosenauer.org?subject=subscribe> Necesitan ayuda. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [security-announce] Two months Advance discontinuation notice for openSUSE 13.1 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:21:45 +0100 From: Marcus Meissner <...(a)suse.de> Organization: SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) To: opensuse-announce(a)opensuse.org, opensuse-security-announce(a)opensuse.org Hi folks, With the release of openSUSE Leap 42.1 last week the SUSE contributed support for openSUSE 13.1 is coming to an end in 2 months, around January 5th 2016. However ... the Evergreen community team is planning to pick up maintenance of 13.1 after this date, so openSUSE 13.1 will be maintained for a longer time! Also for future planning: openSUSE 13.2 will be supported until 2 months after the release of Leap 42.2, which is probably in around one year. The Leap team has so far not fixed the date of this release. For openSUSE Leap we are still planning the lifetimes currently, but it will be at least 2 years (2 yearly releases + 2 months), or potentially longer. Ciao, Marcus for the openSUSE Maintenance team

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RE: [opensuse] openSUSE Leap 42.1 vs. openSUSE 13.2
by stakanov＠freenet.de 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- *****SNIP****** > What is the difference between openSUSE Leap 42.1 and openSUSE > 13.2. > Which one is preferable? ****SNAP***** > Regards, > Wolfgang > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- So, Hello Wolfgang and, forgive me the ritual, welcome to opensuse! All below is my personal opinion and does not want to be anything else. One note to start: it appears that this is the first time you approach this distribution, in order to have more pertinent answers you may be helpful in these cases to tell us a little bit more about yourself and your skills eg. are you proficient in using Linux, do you come instead from the "Windows-World" or are you a "Mac'er". And of course what are you main usages of your PC (do you code, just work office, just want to get an impression etc.) I will try to give you use cases and I suppose in the following chapter that you do not have a great amount of Linux experience, it is the absolute first time that you use linux or you do have used KDE4 up to now: In this case currently opensuse 13.2 is for you one of the best solutions, especially if you will choose to have the KDE graphical desktop environment Why? With 13.2 the KDE environment has become to a greater stability, it is "end-of-life" but very stable. Although you will be told "it does not receive attention" any more, it will get security fixes and will receive no new features. This is a greater advantage for a beginner as it also makes KDE in this edition very stable and calm. You just use it, that's it. With leap you will get a new kernel and a change of KDE version Plasma 5 and software collection kde5 (where the respective applications are already migrated). This will give you a greater chance of using very recent hardware without quirks, it will also give you all the advantages of the progression of systemd and btrfs (if you choose to use it). I will be also useful if you start from the scratch and do not wish to have to do a lot of migration in one year or so. As a lot of applications of KDE have already be migrated you will go on with your stable system and you will receive upgrades of the applications every minor version number (that is 42.2 ecc). Every greater version number you will receive an "engine change", that is greater modifications (Kernel ecc). If you choose the gnome environment, IMO it will probably be a better to use leap. Gnome will be the same in both cases but you get the newer kernel. Next case: if you have experience with Linux, can repair from time to time minor issues and want the "latest and greatest" with all related risks and reasonable guaranties you will choose Tumbleweed instead. To go boldly where "no penguin has gone before" is of course always a minor risk. There is a great effort to give you a perfect system but a rolling release by definition is "bleeding edge", very delightful if you want to see the future coming in but also a risk that - for your special personal use case and hardware - you *may* run into a incompatibility. That is where your skills come to kick in. In the (not so common) case that you encounter a problem after an update of tumbleweed you will be easy going if you have skills in debuging the situation and to do minor tasks like to create a yast2log or to edit a fstab or similar. You will be of course assisted in case by the members of the community but it is expected that if you use tumbleweed you know already what you are doing in Linux and especially with opensuse. The advantages: you will get the fast-forward of development of KDE. Thus, if you want to use KDE5 it will probably the most indicated experience until Leap 42.2 is out, where probably the shortcomings of the still very new KDE5 desktop will be minor. You may ask yourself why the split. Well first it may be a try to see which community will gather more people. But more importantly I think it is a stabilization model with probably the aim to propose a SUSE SLES/SLE with the KDE desktop. Very similar as a drinking water filter that is using troubled water and let it filer through rocks becoming ever more fine grained. as this desktop environment would give SUSE a way of being nearly alone in the market (where in the European market of OSS, in public administration, the KDE environment may have a greater acceptance especially in the important market of Germany). But the latter is my very personal conclusion, not anything you find written anywhere. So, long story short, to "just have a look", to work smoothly and enter in the stable line, coming from KDE4: stay currently with KDE4 and wait for Leap 42.2. Instead if you step in and want a stable solution: take leap. Last: if you have experience and want to get the full kick of accelerated development especially with probably one of the the most if not "the" most advanced KDE distribution on the market, you take tumbleweed. Hope that helped you in any way. YMMV. Cheers and have a lot of fun. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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