May 2010 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse] Quirks in a new v11.2 system
by Anton Aylward 22 May '10

22 May '10

Stan Goodman said the following on 05/22/2010 05:45 PM: > >> This is why issues such as "convergence theory" became important. > > And philosophical buzz words don't help. "Convergence theory" - how to determine how fast a particular algorithm will converge to the end result or any particular approximation thereof is a very PRACTICAL study, especially when applied to user interfaces - which you were asking about. Nothing 'philosophical' about it! -- There is no use whatever trying to help people who do not help themselves. You cannot push anyone up a ladder unless he be willing to climb himself. - Andrew Carnegie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Quirks in a new v11.2 system
by Anton Aylward 22 May '10

22 May '10

Stan Goodman said the following on 05/22/2010 05:45 PM: > > But NOBODY is quarreling either with the hardware of computing machinery > or with computing algorithms. The entire argument is about non-intuitive > and inconvenient interfaces and massive changes with little or no > advantage, so that users do not have the opportunity to become accustomed > to those changes that are useful. There no such thing as an "intuitive interface". PERIOD. There is only what you are accustomed to. Those interfaces you call "intuitive" are what you've been conditioned to. Consider your mouse (or trackball or whatever) Traditional old MAC users had one-button mice. To them, the three-button mouse of a SUN workstation made no sense. And vice versa. I'm sure people here can think of other examples. http://vodpod.com/watch/52172-medieval-helpdesk-with-english-subtitles > I have never seen such a great change > between successive versions of anything, let alone a system as complex as > kde. :-) I'm surprise anyone over the age of 20 can say that with a straight face. If you've moved between countries, banking systems, or dealt with ANY technology for more than 20 years you'll have seen greater changes. When I learnt to drive I was told to hold the heel at "10-to-2", the upper quadrants, so as to be able to pull down to turn in each direction. Now they teach NOT to do that, since if the airbag goes off it will crush your arms into your chest and face. Similarly "universal" ABS means that you now CAN press hard on the brake to stop in an emergency. And Syncromesh gears mean you DON'T have to double-de-clutch. But changes like this we just absorb without rant and forget about. Again, I'm sure people here can come up with examples of dramatic changes. Anyone around for the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Fall of Communism? Or don't they count as changes? > If you tried to inflict such a transition for a profit-making > organization, i.e. one that relied on its customer base, you would have > been thrown out on your ear. So you haven't been a government minister in charge of Taxation? :-) No, Stan, you're making a ridiculous assertion. Companies have to put up with changes all the time. Think of the introduction of Windows/95 which was a dramatic change, as was Vista, and as have been every release of Microsoft Office for Windows. Conversely, those of us old enough to remember saw how GM/Ford/Chrysler were affected when they refused to change and the Japanese imports of smaller, more fuel efficient cars blind-sided them. -- Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Atheros Wireless - switched from madwifi to ath5k - now wifi goes down after being idle?
by David C. Rankin 22 May '10

22 May '10

Listmates, On my older Toshiba P35A (i586) laptop with Atheros AR5212/AR5213, I switched from using the madwifi ath_pci.ko to drive to wireless card and just went to the kernel supplied ath5k.ko module. It just simplifies things to eliminate the madwifi package and use the built in ath5k module since it is now mature enough to work well (most every time except in this unique situation). Being kernel supplied, there is no setup, just boot and the ath5k module is loaded and you have wifi. (well, there was the 30 sec setup in yast -> network settings to configure the interface. The laptop in question sits on the hearth and doesn't move. (literally, it just sits there). Signal strength is fine, 42-50%. ifconfig and iwconfig show the following: wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:F5:15:2D:83 inet addr:192.168.6.101 Bcast:192.168.6.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::211:f5ff:fe15:2d83/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:63850 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:64448 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:28467740 (27.1 Mb) TX bytes:56097494 (53.4 Mb) wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"skyline" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: 00:23:69:5C:FD:B6 Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=27 dBm Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B Encryption key:remembered to snip the key this time [2] Link Quality=51/100 Signal level=-63 dBm Noise level=-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 The problem I have is that wlan0 just drops the connection when it is left idling. I have never heard or experienced this before. I've left this box running for weeks with the madwifi driver and never a drop. With ath5k, it's almost like every hour of inactivity causes the ath5k connection to 'go to sleep' for lack of better words. Another strange deal is that sometimes it just reconnects all by itself, others, a simple rcnetwork restart cures the problem. If I leave a ssh connection attached to the box, it never goes to sleep. When the dropout occurs, the log looks like this: [00:19 zephyr/home/david] # cat bugs/ath5k-snip.txt May 21 16:03:26 zephyr dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to 192.168.6.17 port 67 May 21 19:04:10 zephyr dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to 192.168.6.17 port 67 May 21 21:20:28 zephyr kernel: wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 - assume out of range May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: Initial auth_alg=0 May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: RX authentication from 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 (alg=0 transaction=2 status=0) May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: authenticated May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: associate with AP 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: RX ReassocResp from 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=1) May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: associated May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: Initial auth_alg=0 May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: RX authentication from 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 (alg=0 transaction=2 status=0) May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: authenticated May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: associate with AP 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: RX ReassocResp from 00:23:69:5c:fd:b6 (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=1) May 21 21:20:35 zephyr kernel: wlan0: associated I can see it guesses that the box moved out of range, but that's just wrong. The laptop just sits on the hearth and no lead walls have been erected between it an the AP. I never say this with madwifi. Anybody got any ideas other than going back to madwifi? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] zypper up question
by Greg Freemyer 22 May '10

22 May '10

All, I just ran zypper up and it gave me the normal list of things it was going to upgrade, but also a list it was not going to upgrade. What is the list of not upgraded about? It seems surprisingly long. See below. I particularly interested in the kernel packages its not upgrading. === sudo zypper up root's password: Retrieving repository 'KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop' metadata [done] Building repository 'KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop' cache [done] Retrieving repository 'YaST:Web' metadata [done] Building repository 'YaST:Web' cache [done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... The following package updates will NOT be installed: autoconf automake bash bash-doc desktop-file-utils evolution-data-server faad2 ffmpeg gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-32bit gnome-keyring-lang gstreamer-0_10-plugins-base gstreamer-0_10-plugins-base-lang gstreamer-0_10-plugins-good kernel-debug kernel-debug-devel kernel-default kernel-default-devel kernel-desktop-devel kernel-docs kernel-source kernel-syms kernel-trace kernel-trace-devel kernel-xen kernel-xen-devel kupdateapplet kupdateapplet-packagekit libavcodec52 libavdevice52 libavformat52 libavutil50 libfaad2 libgpod4 libgpod-tools libkdecore4-32bit libphonon4-32bit libpostproc51 libreadline6 libreadline6-32bit libschroedinger-1_0-0 libswscale0 libv4l lighttpd lighttpd-mod_magnet PackageKit readline-devel readline-doc rubygem-actionmailer-2_3 rubygem-actionpack-2_3 rubygem-activerecord-2_3 rubygem-activeresource-2_3 rubygem-activesupport-2_3 rubygem-rack rubygem-rails-2_3 rubygem-rake rubygems rubygem-sqlite3 sysvinit Vuze-libswt3-gtk2 webyast-base-ui xdg-utils xkeyboard-config yast2-mail yast2-registration yast2-registration-branding-openSUSE . . . . === Thanks Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] updater snafu
by Mike McMullin 21 May '10

21 May '10

PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: kdebase4-workspace-4.1.3-10.4.1.i586 requires kdebase4-workspace-ksysguardd = 4.1.3, but this requirement cannot be provided Seriously, why this? (oS11.1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] xsettings plugin to gnome-settings-daemon causes segfault in kde - help?
by David C. Rankin 21 May '10

21 May '10

Guys, Following the latest updates, the gnome-settings-daemon segfaults when started in kde to support non-qt apps like firefox, mozilla, etc.. The gnome-settings-daemon (gsd hereafter) starts and functions fine under gnome, but for kde, this leaves any gtk apps looking horrible. After struggling to find a solution, at least I was able to identify the exact component (plugin) to gsd that causes the segfault. The 'xsettings' plugin is to blame. '/apps/gnome_settings_daemon/plugins/xsettings/active' Using gconf-editor I disabled each plugin one-by-one until gsd started without error. Unfortunately, since the xsettings plugin controls the font rendering, etc. for gtk apps, disabling it and starting gsd has no effect on the look of gtk apps in kde. Using '/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon --debug &' I captured the full debug output for the crash. The relevant part is: [1273786127,000,xklavier.c:xkl_engine_start_listen/] The backend does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the application The error to the terminal was: [1273770918,000,xklavier.c:xkl_engine_start_listen/] The backend does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the application (gnome-settings-daemon:28671): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed [1]+ Segmentation fault /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon I have tried reinstalling gsd and I have tried creating a new user and testing under that account and root. Same crash. The full backtrace is available here: (3.2k) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/gnome/gsd-debug.txt.bz2 My stumbling block is I haven't a clue what feeds into the xsettings plugin getting started. I know the gnome-settings-daemon-2.22.1-24.1 provides: /usr/lib64/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libxsettings.so but that hasn't changed 11.0 was released. So that isn't the problem. Finding what is causing the problem 'is' my problem. I'd gladly downgrade just to get thunderbird working under kde again if I could figure out what package is causing the blow-up. What say the gurus? Thanks for any help you can give with this. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Time tracking system
by Bogdan Cristea 21 May '10

21 May '10

Could you recommend some applications allowing to track the time spend each day by someone on different tasks? I would need a web based tool allowing to different members of a team to log at the end of the day their time spent on different tasks. thanks Bogdan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Error when starting apache server
by Bogdan Cristea 21 May '10

21 May '10

After a fresh install of openSUSE 11.3, 64 bits the apache server fails to start with the following error: httpd2: Syntax error on line 188 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sysconfig.d/include.conf: No such file or directory Could you advise how to solve this issue ? -- Bogdan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] IPv6 routing in OpenSUSE 11.0
by James Knott 21 May '10

21 May '10

I now have a full /56 IPv6 subnet on my firewall and can connect to IPv6 addresses out on the web from my firewall, which runs OpenSUSE 11.0. However, I cannot seem to get IPv6 routing going on it. I have set net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf. When I traceroute6 from a computer behing the firewall, it only gets as far as the local network address of the router computer, as shown here: jknott@linux:~ $ /usr/sbin/traceroute6 ipv6.google.com traceroute to ipv6.google.com (2001:4860:800b::68), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 2001:5c0:1108:3500::1 (2001:5c0:1108:3500::1) 1.138 ms 0.114 ms 0.129 ms 2 2001:5c0:1108:3500::1 (2001:5c0:1108:3500::1) 0.197 ms 0.139 ms 0.252 ms It appears that routing is not enabled for IPv6 on the router computer. IPv4 routing works fine. Any ideas? BTW, that /56 subnet is huge. It gives me an address block of 2^72 addresses, which are divided into 256 /64 subnets, which means a total of 18446744073709551616 address on my local network, using just one of those /64 subnets! I don't have quite enough computers to fill that range. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Installing many packages
by Roger Oberholtzer 21 May '10

21 May '10

I want to add an installed package check to our installation. I am looking for suggestions about the best way to do this. We install on pre-installed openSUSE systems, so we never know what will be there. But we rely on certain packages being present. The obvious answer would to be to put these as dependencies in an RPM. But is that the only way? Could we define a pattern that is all these packages and install the pattern? Or is there a smart way to do this with YMP? There would be many packages. -- Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST/OPQ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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