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[SLE] SuSE 6.4
by franky.ostyn＠village.uunet.be 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

Yes,yes,YES 27.03.2000 is THE date. In Germany, I think. See http://www.suse.de/ And also this : ... und wann erscheint die nächste Ausgabe? Die nächste Ausgabe von SuSE Linux wird voraussichtlich im Juli 2000 erscheinen. (free translation: The next release for SuSE Linux is probably for July 2000....) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/
by tduggan＠dekaresearch.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

I didn't mean to imply that it was personal, but your statement that it would be wise to use drakx (an installation utility) has the effect of questioning the validity of the yast2 (also an installation utility, soon to be administration as well) project and the competence of its developers (which could be percieved as an insult, even though that was not the intention). I agree that there comes a time when some projects, which are not working out, should be scrapped to avoid spending good money after bad (I've been on both sides of this one :-P). Good planning goes a long way to make sure these types of programs either aren't started or are killed early. I don't see yast2 as one of these projects, sure the first cut was a little inflexible and didn't fit everyone but it was a good start and should mature nicely. As to market sector, I imagine both are targeted at Linux administrators, even if the administrator is a home user with a single computer. Most ordinary users won't know (or care) which distribution they are using any more than they know or care which version of windows they have (I switched a friends machine from 95 to NT when they asked me to fix the crashing problem they had. It was over six months before they noticed the startup screen was different and I had told them I did it). Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: m thompso [SMTP:thompso_m2@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:59 PM > > I'm not insulting any persons! It is business; it is NOT personal. > > My last 2 questions: > 1) To Whom is SuSE Linux 6.3 marketed? > 2) To Whom will SuSE Linux 6.4 be marketed? > > > Thanks to everyone who has responded to my earlier E-mail. > > > Thanks, > Matt > > > >From: Tim Duggan <tduggan(a)dekaresearch.com> > >To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > >Subject: RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:11:47 -0500 > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: m thompso [SMTP:thompso_m2@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:45 PM > > > > >I agree that the SuSE kernel patches are wonderful, but that > doesn't > > >impress a Newbie if he can't get past the installation. The > "average" > > >Windoze user is not likely to drop their current Windoze OS if they > > >can't get past the Linux installer. The installer is the "First" > link > >in > > >the chain. At a minimum, the installer should be either a "7" or > "8" > > >(on a scale of 1-10)! > > > > Agreed, first impressions mean alot for some, but the pace of > >development (linux especially) is so fast that a 9 six months ago is > >considered a 5 or less today. YaST1 may no longer be the slickest > >utility around, but it does some things the others cannot, it has > been > >well proven and is still one of the most useful utilities around. > > > > > >Microsoft has a nice installation, but their OS isn't that > terrific. > > >SuSE Linux is a nice OS, but the YaST2 installer isn't that > terrific. > > > > YaST2 in 6.3 was going public for the first time. Like any newborn > its > >legs and arms were short and it couldn't do all of the things people > >asked of it. > > Problems are to be expected with the introduction of something > new, > >but you can't wait until development is finished (if it's ever > finished) > >before getting feedback from customers. Bottom line is that sooner or > >later you must ship product and a decision has to be made when. > > > > > >The "enemy" is NOT other Linux distributions. For that reason, > > >SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx and Lothar into the next > > >SuSE release. > > > > So all the money spent on the development of YaST2 should be > chucked > >out the window? What about the developers at SuSE who have put in so > >much effort to produce it? How many times can you take something they > >have produced and unjustifiably belittle it? The fact is that the 6.3 > >version of YaST2, while not perfect, is the beginning of highly > useful > >software. The originator of this thread apparently likes it and will > >probably enjoy the next release even more. While you are free to > >disagree with his opinion, it is in VERY poor taste to insult the > >individual developers (even if that were not the intent, it is the > >result) by implying that their project be chucked and replaced with > >someone else's software. > > Using your model, there would be very little software (most of it > bad) > >and even less choice. My first experience with linux was with > >Yggdrasil's distribution (Plug and Play Linux fall '95, IIRC) and if > all > >they did since then was include other people's software Linux would > look > >more and more like Windows. One installer, one GUI, one more broken > OS. > >If there is only one, is it really a choice? > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > >Matt > <big snip> -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] pcmcia
by tduggan＠dekaresearch.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

Hi, I'm not familiar with the Xircom card but have a look at http://hyper.stanford.edu/HyperNews/get/pcmcia/home.html. You should be able to get the latest pcmcia package there, it should work without issue on 6.1. Also have a look at http://hyper.stanford.edu/HyperNews/get/pcmcia/xircom.html which is dedicated to Xircom cards. Good luck Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lyons [SMTP:rlyons@faithdesign.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 2:17 PM > To: Tim Duggan > Cc: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: RE: [SLE] pcmcia > > I have got the pcmcia package working, but I do not think suse 6.1 > likes > my card. I have a Xircom 32 bit Carbus 10/100 card and When linux > boots up > it tells me that my card is not supported. Is there any kind of fix > for > this? Do I have to run out and purchase suse 6.3 for this? > > Help thanks > robert > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Tim Duggan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Lyons [SMTP:rlyons@faithdesign.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:48 PM > > > > >Is it possible to load the pcmcia modules for a specific ethernet > > >card after you have done the install of the system..If yes what is > the > > >proper procedure for doing this? I have a working system on my > > >laptop and I want to addan ethernet card to it all... > > > > If you have the pcmcia package set up, the new card should be > > autodetected by cardmgr which should load the proper module. To > > configure the interface check out the PCMCIA-Howto. If you have any > > problems let us know :-) > > > > Tim > > > > >Thanks > > > robert > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > > > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] StarOffice can't find Netware directory
by jathomas＠dhc.net 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

I have the ncpfs suite installed to access a Novell Netware server on my office LAN. I mount the Novell disks on a local directory, and this all works fine. IPX support is enabled, of course. However, StarOffice sees nothing in this directory, as if it were not mounted. Has anyone else had this problem? Why can't StarOffice see the files in this directory when every other program can? Thanks in advance for any tips. JT ____________________________________________________________ John A. Thomas Home: jathomas(a)dhc.net Business: jathomas(a)gpm-law.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/
by gregory.thomas＠nbc.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: m thompso [mailto:thompso_m2@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:59 AM > To: tduggan(a)dekaresearch.com > Cc: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ > > > I'm not insulting any persons! It is business; it is NOT personal. It's pretty insulting to suggest a company replace their most visible app with someone else's. And as someone else pointed out that attitude will end up creating a distribution that has absolutely no differentiation from other distributions. Greg > > >From: Tim Duggan <tduggan(a)dekaresearch.com> > > > > > >From: m thompso [SMTP:thompso_m2@hotmail.com] > > > > >I agree that the SuSE kernel patches are wonderful, but > that doesn't > > >impress a Newbie if he can't get past the installation. > The "average" > > >Windoze user is not likely to drop their current Windoze OS if they > > >can't get past the Linux installer. The installer is the > "First" link > >in > > >the chain. At a minimum, the installer should be either a > "7" or "8" > > >(on a scale of 1-10)! > > > > Agreed, first impressions mean alot for some, but the pace of > >development (linux especially) is so fast that a 9 six months ago is > >considered a 5 or less today. YaST1 may no longer be the slickest > >utility around, but it does some things the others cannot, > it has been > >well proven and is still one of the most useful utilities around. > > > > > >Microsoft has a nice installation, but their OS isn't that > terrific. > > >SuSE Linux is a nice OS, but the YaST2 installer isn't > that terrific. > > > > YaST2 in 6.3 was going public for the first time. Like > any newborn its > >legs and arms were short and it couldn't do all of the things people > >asked of it. > > Problems are to be expected with the introduction of > something new, > >but you can't wait until development is finished (if it's > ever finished) > >before getting feedback from customers. Bottom line is that sooner or > >later you must ship product and a decision has to be made when. > > > > > >The "enemy" is NOT other Linux distributions. For that reason, > > >SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx and Lothar into the next > > >SuSE release. > > > > So all the money spent on the development of YaST2 should > be chucked > >out the window? What about the developers at SuSE who have put in so > >much effort to produce it? How many times can you take something they > >have produced and unjustifiably belittle it? The fact is that the 6.3 > >version of YaST2, while not perfect, is the beginning of > highly useful > >software. The originator of this thread apparently likes it and will > >probably enjoy the next release even more. While you are free to > >disagree with his opinion, it is in VERY poor taste to insult the > >individual developers (even if that were not the intent, it is the > >result) by implying that their project be chucked and replaced with > >someone else's software. > > Using your model, there would be very little software > (most of it bad) > >and even less choice. My first experience with linux was with > >Yggdrasil's distribution (Plug and Play Linux fall '95, > IIRC) and if all > >they did since then was include other people's software > Linux would look > >more and more like Windows. One installer, one GUI, one more > broken OS. > >If there is only one, is it really a choice? > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > >Matt > > > > > > > > >From: Ben Rosenberg <ben(a)whack.org> > > > >Reply-To: ben(a)whack.org > > > >CC: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > > >Subject: Re: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ > > > >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:28 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > > > > I would second this..wait for 6.4. I use to think that > Linux was > > > a big > > > >waste of time before I discovered SuSE. I was a staunch > > > freeBSD/Solaris > > > >advocate, but I have been running SuSE since 5.0 along with my > > > freeBSD > > > >box and now my Sun U10. I do know this, if SuSE somehow magically > > > went > > > >out of business and they were not producing a Linux > distr. I would > > > >reformat this box and it would be a Solaris X86 box. > > > > > > > > Give these guys a break, they do damn good work..it may not be > > > on > > > >installers or anything as low on my list as this, but > their kernel > > > work > > > >and XFree work alone merits respect. > > > > > > > >just my 0.02 > > > > > > > >BTW .. is icewm 1.02 gonna make it into 6.4 ;D > > > > > > > >Lenz Grimmer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, m thompso wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Correction: "MOST" of YaST2 rocks > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still disappointed that YaST2 does not allow me > to install > > > SuSE > > > > > > 6.3 to non-adjacent partitions. To install to non-adjacent > > > > > > partitions, I must still use YaST1. Mandrake 7.0-2 uses a > > > top-notch > > > > > > graphical installer called drakx. SuSE would be wise to > > > incorporate > > > > > > drakx into the next release of SuSE Linux. > > > > > > > > > > <PERSONAL RANT> > > > > > Well, since distributions nowadays only seem to be > judged by it's > > > > > installation utility, how should we set ourself apart > by reusing > > > someone > > > > > else's tool? > > > > > </PERSONAL RANT> > > > > > > > > > > We have added a lot of features in YaST2 for SuSE Linux 6.4. > > > > > > > > > > There will be a more flexible partitioning dialogue, > which will > > > also > > > >allow > > > > > you to use ReiserFS partitions and multiple disks (no > LVM yet, you > > > still > > > > > need to fall back to YaST1 for Logical Volumes). In > addition to > > > that, > > > > > there is a more flexible package selection and the > configuration > > > of > > > >Sound > > > > > cards, printers, Internet connection with Modem/ISDN > and Network > > > > > configuration. 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[SLE] i lost xterm
by rhughson＠home.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

After updating my system using yast and ftp.suse.com, a few of the items in my panel and in my menus don't work. Most notably, yast and xterm. i can live with the yast problem as it still functions for root but checked the link for xterm in /usr/bin, it points to file xterm in /usr/X11R6 but this app file no longer exists. So, one, where did it go and two, how do I get it back? -- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/
by thompso_m2＠hotmail.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

I'm not insulting any persons! It is business; it is NOT personal. My last 2 questions: 1) To Whom is SuSE Linux 6.3 marketed? 2) To Whom will SuSE Linux 6.4 be marketed? Thanks to everyone who has responded to my earlier E-mail. Thanks, Matt >From: Tim Duggan <tduggan(a)dekaresearch.com> >To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com >Subject: RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:11:47 -0500 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: m thompso [SMTP:thompso_m2@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:45 PM > > >I agree that the SuSE kernel patches are wonderful, but that doesn't > >impress a Newbie if he can't get past the installation. The "average" > >Windoze user is not likely to drop their current Windoze OS if they > >can't get past the Linux installer. The installer is the "First" link >in > >the chain. At a minimum, the installer should be either a "7" or "8" > >(on a scale of 1-10)! > > Agreed, first impressions mean alot for some, but the pace of >development (linux especially) is so fast that a 9 six months ago is >considered a 5 or less today. YaST1 may no longer be the slickest >utility around, but it does some things the others cannot, it has been >well proven and is still one of the most useful utilities around. > > > >Microsoft has a nice installation, but their OS isn't that terrific. > >SuSE Linux is a nice OS, but the YaST2 installer isn't that terrific. > > YaST2 in 6.3 was going public for the first time. Like any newborn its >legs and arms were short and it couldn't do all of the things people >asked of it. > Problems are to be expected with the introduction of something new, >but you can't wait until development is finished (if it's ever finished) >before getting feedback from customers. Bottom line is that sooner or >later you must ship product and a decision has to be made when. > > > >The "enemy" is NOT other Linux distributions. For that reason, > >SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx and Lothar into the next > >SuSE release. > > So all the money spent on the development of YaST2 should be chucked >out the window? What about the developers at SuSE who have put in so >much effort to produce it? How many times can you take something they >have produced and unjustifiably belittle it? The fact is that the 6.3 >version of YaST2, while not perfect, is the beginning of highly useful >software. The originator of this thread apparently likes it and will >probably enjoy the next release even more. While you are free to >disagree with his opinion, it is in VERY poor taste to insult the >individual developers (even if that were not the intent, it is the >result) by implying that their project be chucked and replaced with >someone else's software. > Using your model, there would be very little software (most of it bad) >and even less choice. My first experience with linux was with >Yggdrasil's distribution (Plug and Play Linux fall '95, IIRC) and if all >they did since then was include other people's software Linux would look >more and more like Windows. One installer, one GUI, one more broken OS. >If there is only one, is it really a choice? > >Tim > > > > > >Matt > > > > > >From: Ben Rosenberg <ben(a)whack.org> > > >Reply-To: ben(a)whack.org > > >CC: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > >Subject: Re: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ > > >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:28 -0600 > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > > I would second this..wait for 6.4. I use to think that Linux was > > a big > > >waste of time before I discovered SuSE. I was a staunch > > freeBSD/Solaris > > >advocate, but I have been running SuSE since 5.0 along with my > > freeBSD > > >box and now my Sun U10. I do know this, if SuSE somehow magically > > went > > >out of business and they were not producing a Linux distr. I would > > >reformat this box and it would be a Solaris X86 box. > > > > > > Give these guys a break, they do damn good work..it may not be > > on > > >installers or anything as low on my list as this, but their kernel > > work > > >and XFree work alone merits respect. > > > > > >just my 0.02 > > > > > >BTW .. is icewm 1.02 gonna make it into 6.4 ;D > > > > > >Lenz Grimmer wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, m thompso wrote: > > > > > > > > > Correction: "MOST" of YaST2 rocks > > > > > > > > > > I'm still disappointed that YaST2 does not allow me to install > > SuSE > > > > > 6.3 to non-adjacent partitions. To install to non-adjacent > > > > > partitions, I must still use YaST1. Mandrake 7.0-2 uses a > > top-notch > > > > > graphical installer called drakx. SuSE would be wise to > > incorporate > > > > > drakx into the next release of SuSE Linux. > > > > > > > > <PERSONAL RANT> > > > > Well, since distributions nowadays only seem to be judged by it's > > > > installation utility, how should we set ourself apart by reusing > > someone > > > > else's tool? > > > > </PERSONAL RANT> > > > > > > > > We have added a lot of features in YaST2 for SuSE Linux 6.4. > > > > > > > > There will be a more flexible partitioning dialogue, which will > > also > > >allow > > > > you to use ReiserFS partitions and multiple disks (no LVM yet, you > > still > > > > need to fall back to YaST1 for Logical Volumes). In addition to > > that, > > > > there is a more flexible package selection and the configuration > > of > > >Sound > > > > cards, printers, Internet connection with Modem/ISDN and Network > > > > configuration. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Ben Rosenberg > >-- >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] pcmcia
by rlyons＠faithdesign.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

Is it possible to load the pcmcia modules for a specific ethernet card after you have done the install of the system..If yes what is the proper procedure for doing this? I have a working system on my laptop and I want to addan ethernet card to it all... Thanks robert -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Dialin Server
by mflores＠midway.uchicago.edu 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

Here's the situation: I have an NT Server as PDC for my network consisting of Win98 clients. They access the Internet through the Linux box running IPMasqing/SuSEfirewall/wvdial.dod. I now want a Win98 client to be able to dialin to the network and access a database in the NT Server which is required by an application running on the Win98 client. Based on my readings, I have to do the following: 1. configure and run mgetty in the Linux box 2. configure and run samba with security = domain in the Linux box 3. configure Win98 client for dialup Can anybody care to give me some advice/hints on how to correctly implement this? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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Re: [SLE] OS/2 on Linux Server
by jpennington＠atipa.com 16 Mar '00

16 Mar '00

Sascha Graeber <saschag(a)vzinet.com> said: > > > "Paul W. Abrahams" wrote: > > What are you using in OS/2 for which there isn't a better version available under Linux? > > basically it comes down to 2 things: 1. My connection to the IBM Global Network which I haven't be successful to establish under Linux yet > and 2. AmiPro which I used for all my wordprocessing since 1994. That is a bunch of documents :-) > cheers - sasa Isn't there a VNC server for OS/2? Have you looked at what the VMWare team has been doing lately? I'm no expert, but those are the two things I'd look into first. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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