June 2003 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Evolution 1.4 release date announced
by James Ogley 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Ximian have issued a press statement stating that Evolution 1.4 final release will be available on June 9 - that's next Monday folks! Now, as soon as I can get the sources downloaded (I suspect their servers are going to be somewhat swamped that day, but I'll do my best), I'll have it built and available on www.usr-local-bin.org And that, my friends, is a promise :) James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james(a)rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter(a)myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

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cannot access site with web browsers...
by Michael George 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

I'm getting an error that I've never encountered before... I'm trying to access the 3ware RAID controller web interface on a system that I administrate (on 192.168.203.250:1080 - a local net), but when I enter that address (click on the link), I get an error dialog which says: Access to the port number given has been disabled for security reasons. I get this dialog whether I use mozilla or galeon. I know it's not a server issue, because I jumped onto my mac and was able to hit the port just fine with both OmniWeb and I.E. Therefore, there must be a security switch somewhere that I need to flip. I turned off privoxy for galeon and /etc/sysconfig is told that I have no proxies, so I don't think that's it... Any pointers?

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Re: [SLE] OT...but funny as hell
by John 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 02 June 2003 20:13, Doug McGarrett wrote: > <html> > <font size=3>I couldn't even read the j-walk thing in Netscape, but I > <br> > guess I didn't miss much.  --doug<br> <snip> Doug, try not to send your emails as html, it adds too much to the size and since a lot of people won't even look at a html mail, they'll just delete it w/out even seeing what it was about. Did you try the site with Konqueror too? Do you have Mozilla? Try it with Mozilla. I can't understand why you can't open that site, there's nothing special about it at all, no fancy graphics or anything. John - -- I needed fresh bugs for my SuSE gecko, and Linux penguin. So I went out and caught this huge ugly blue and red and green and yellow butterfly. They won't need fresh food for 3 months now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+3LRtH5oDXyLKXKQRAroiAJ9UUzvQPikG6ztcSr60Ap9JtG45ygCggApy RNxqlaQBaubHDncD9+7/bas= =6j6s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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wierd MC behaviour
by Rikard Johnels 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all. I use mc quite frequently, but suddenly it has started behaving badly. As i enter 'mc' from the shell i usaly get the same folder opened. (eg. rikjoh@sparhawk:~> mc rikjoh@sparhawk:~>) But since a little while back i get: rikjoh@sparhawk:~> mc 2;rikjoh@sparhawk:~1;sparhawkrikjoh@sparhawk:~> And the "grey keys" doesnt work any more. The only new thing i have done is using NIS for logons. But why should that have anything to do with that? Everything else works as usual... - -- /Rikard - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rikard Johnels email : rjhn(a)linux.nu Web : http://www.rikjoh.com Mob : +46 70 464 99 39 - ------------------------ Public PGP fingerprint ---------------------------- < 15 28 DF 78 67 98 B2 16 1F D3 FD C5 59 D4 B6 78 46 1C EE 56 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+2SnIWdS2eEYc7lYRAl8ZAKD6PwQriAxRMr6xnoRxR94pBYMwqACcDmEY 8rnuEbjSMk9UBgI32ltfQ4M= =shwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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KMail and Exchange WebDAV
by roncordell＠attbi.com 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had tried to use the Exchange2000 connector via WebDAV in KMail, and if so, what it took to get it to work. I haven't found much by googling around, so I thought I'd post here, first. -ronc

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How many machines for 8.2 Pro?
by Michael George 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

We recently had a question about making copies of 8.2 CD's to give away not for profit. I have a similar, and perhaps ignorant question... I purchase the SuSE 8.2 Pro boxed set from SuSE. I installed it on my system from the DVD and I'm very happy with it. My nephew, a college student, is going to be buying a system I used to use at work and I'm wondering if I can install 8.2 Pro on there also, or if that's contrary to license. I found and read the license, and it mostly deals with mods to YaST2 and stuff like redistribution. I'm just wondering how many machines I can legitimately put it on. I know the GPL and probably SuSE allows for an arbitrary number of systems, but there is still a question about the software like MainActor and any other proprietary software. Is there someplace on the site that covers questions like this? Thanks!

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mysql and sql in 8.2
by Serge Naggar 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi, I haven't worked with either sql or mysql. I'm being offered a special purpose program which works in ms-sql. Can I assume that the two are very close? identical? -- Cheers, Serge Naggar

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RE: [SLE] I need ideas for Linux training course (OT)
by Peer Stefan 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi > From: James Mohr [mailto:suse_mailing_list@jimmo.com] > On Monday 02 June 2003 00:24, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: > > > I would say get them basic skills first: > > > --have them install a system which boots to the commandline > > > --have them setup the X server with different window managers > > > > I was under the impression that the Linux boxes would be supplies > > pre-installed. A user with basic Windows usage skills isn't required to > > know howto install Windows either, and few would know howto for that > > matter. > > At this point it is not clear, but I think you are both right. If the audience > is a "standard" user then installation would probably be too much. However, > if this a course for either advanced users or people who want to be, then > installation ought to be inclidesed. No, I wouldn't teach how to set up an X server from a command line, because nobody will have to any more. If you use a recent Linux-distro X is installed right away. No downloading, no "./configure && make && make install && xf86config" anymore. I think it's more important to show the users what they want to do with a computer - e.g. OpenOffice, mail clients, web browsers, maybe gimp, watching movies, play games, burning cds/dvds etc. This is the stuff a common home user does on his/her computer. For "advanced" users you can set up a course to teach them how to install software like OpenOffice and so on and hardware like scanners, digicams, etc. or how to set up the internet connection For really advanced "users" you can teach admin functions like different filesystems, basic networking (routing, firewalling), network server installation (ssh, samba/nfs, ftp, http, proxy, sendmail/procmail), system tuning, trouble shooting, and all this stuff. > > > > --show them how to use mc :-) > > > --introduce them to "hello world scripts" in bash and perl > > > -> introduce them to init and the boot.local - autoexec.bat > > > correlation > > > > No "modern" Windows user knows anythings about booting, nor do they have > > to. Same thing applies to Linux. The users can hopefully asume > > that they're getting a competent sysadmin to do the hairy jobs, > > otherwise I wouldn't want to be responsible for this project. > > Again depends on the audience. I tend to believe (at least hope) that people > **wanting** to learn Linux will be receptive to more info. However, those > that are *required* need to be "protected" a little. Agreed, but don't start with an overkill. Too much information will make them believe that Linux is hard to use and they'll therefore stick to windows. Keep it simple, show them neat things and they will ask questions themselves :-) > > > > > --show them the basic routine for compiling c source: > > > -> configure, make, make install > > > > Same comment as above. > > I might have to agree with Pagan on this one. It is both an advantage and > disadvantage that Linux software can run on so many platforms. The > disadvantage is that you don't always have a binary version and if you want > the program you will have to compile it. However, I could imagine that this > is part of "supplemental information" that is provided with the course > material and not presented in class. > > > > --show basic ppp connect scripts and basic firewalling > > > > Again: way beyond basic usage skills. > > Here too we have a problem with Linux itself. In contrast to Windows, you > don't always have the plug-n-play internet connections. Despite my > experience, I got extremely frustrated getting my DSL connection working > because drivers weren't included, there was no GUI or even a setup script and > the documentation to set it up was spread across several web sites. Thank > goodness for the SuSE mailing lists. So, just how do they connect to the > intenet without this knowledge? Don't show them how to set up xDSL or PPP - it's every time a different thing :-) > On the other hand, if the audience is "standard" users, you are correct that > it beyond them. > > > > --introduce basic backups to cdrom (or better if they have it) > > > -> show them the correlation between tgz and zip, let them > > > tgz and untgz directories > > > > Backup in a network environment isn't something you leave up to a luser, > > you do that on the server with all the NFS mounts etc. > > You making an assumption there that these are students who are being required > by their company management to take a Linux course and that there is a IT > department supporting them. All I said was "In the first stage we will be > developing a course for people who are moving up from Windows to Linux. " > This *could* be people in a company, but it could be a home user who does not > have a personal IT department. Backing up data is a big topic - even windows users don't do it :o) But I would teach them how to burn cds. > > > Then repeat above 10 or 20 times, that will give them enough > > > to get started and ask questions on maillists or the usenet as they > > > advance. > > > > You want ordinary desktop (office) users to start questions on mailinglists > > and usenet when they have a problem? Get real please, without a inhouse > > helpdesk and like I said a sysadmin they don't stand a chance to bring this > > to a successful outcome. > > Maybe I am interpreting you wrong, but that is a very elitist attitude and > does the exact **opposite** of what we are trying to accomplish. I see if > frequently that a big complaint against Linux is the arrogant attitude that > many Linux user have. "Newbies posting to our mailing list? How impertinent!" > > So where do the users go who are trying to setup something at home? Are they > forced to pay big buck to SuSE for that support? Just like Windows? Help them help themselves :-) Give newbies the chance to learn something without chasing them away. So RTFM might be the wrong answer in most cases - give them hints where the manuals are :o) > > I thought this was about teaching people what to expect in a Linux > > environment, you seem to want to teach them administrator skills right > > away. > > All I said in this regard was "introductory Linux course" and not that this > course "was about teaching people what to expect in a Linux environment". > Depending on the length of the course, I tend to agree with Zentara that > certain admin skills need to be taught, and I say *even if* they are > "standard" users. For example, just understanding the concept of backups > would save a lot of heartache. This would preserve a lot of nerves and prevent some heartattacks - that's for sure :) > Regards, > > jimmo cheers, Stefan

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gcc3.3 and 2.95.#
by Donn Washburn 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hey Group: I am running SuSE8.2 with GCC3.# and it seems that every program (except ytree-1.77) fails to compile. About every one of these were done under SuSE8.0 without a headache. However, under 8.2 no luck. Is this problem another libc5/6 type of gcc change or just lib changes (say like QT and or GTK) -- 73 de Donn Washburn __ " http://www.hal-pc.org/~n5xwb " Ham Callsign N5XWB / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __ 307 Savoy St. / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ / Sugar Land, TX 77478 /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\ LL# 1.281.242.3256 a MSDOS Virus "Free Zone" OS Email: n5xwb(a)hal-pc.org Info: http://www.knoppix.net

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Galeon and Mozilla problems under Gnome
by Paul Geary 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi Just installed SuSE 8.2 on a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. Nothing special about the install just the Default packages plus Gnome and some console based utilities like mc. When in Gnome I am trying to use Galeon and it just spawns new copies of itself until I either cancel the root process or the system runs out of resources. Okay I think, try mozilla, but this does not start at all - it appears to create several mozilla processes which sit around for 10 seconds or so apparently doing nothing and then they end. Anyone got any Ideas? Thanks Paul ___________________________________________________________ Mae'r e-bost hwn ac unrhyw ffeiliau atodedig yn gyfrinachol ac at sylw'r unigolyn neu'r sefydliad a enwir uchod. Bydd unrhyw farn neu sylwadau a fynegir yn perthyn i'r awdur yn unig ac ni chynrychiolant o anghenraid farn Coleg Sir G�r. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn yr e-bost hwn ar gam, rhowch sylw i'r gweinyddwr ar y cyfeiriad canlynol: postmaster(a)colegsirgar.ac.uk This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Coleg Sir G�r. If you have received this email in error please notify the administrator on the following address: postmaster(a)colegsirgar.ac.uk ___________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MessageLabs.

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