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Upgrading 6.3 -> 7.0 : Justification
by jramberg＠looksmart.net 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

Message-ID: <3A180D73.91B09904(a)looksmart.net> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:27:15 -0800 From: Jim Ramberg <jramberg(a)looksmart.net> Subject: Upgrading 6.3 -> 7.0 : Justification I was wondering if anyone has any advice on what one could say to software support to justify them upgrading from 6.3 -> 7.0 after the just bought 6.3 for all of engineering in January ? Thanks JIm

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printcap / a2ps / custom paper sizez config files
by samelash＠ix.netcom.com 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001121095545.00fc17a8(a)popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:55:45 +0000 From: Samy Elashmawy <samelash(a)ix.netcom.com> Subject: printcap / a2ps / custom paper sizez config files Hi folks, I want to make some custome paper sizes and what info I have has lead me to believe that the files to edit and change is /etc/a2ps.cfg under the paper sizes under deffinition of some menia on define goghstscript pages. I was going to simply edit the paper pixel sizes and just use the same tags that way I can still use yast to set the printers up. Can I also add NEW media types Ie Medum: ziggy 100 400 #for example ? If I do this , yast/printer and the apsfiler printcap generation tool (lprsetup have no nidea that these new paper sizes exist. So that leads me to beleve that I need to manualy creat them in /printcap any7 one know of a guide to /etc/printcap how too or something that is geared to a complete printer newbie ? I tried the man printcap , and that is way over my head ? Am I doing this the right way ?

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Recommended webcam for SuSE 6.4
by martinm＠people-com.com 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

Message-ID: <5F79E0406369D411986600508BDE784E1342A9(a)lisa.people-com.com> From: Martin Mielke <martinm(a)people-com.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:48:26 +0100 Subject: Recommended webcam for SuSE 6.4 Dear all, is there any recommended webcam + software for SuSE 6.4? Thanks in advance! Martin

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startx /xwindowsw no longer works
by samelash＠ix.netcom.com 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001120114900.00f86f30(a)popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:49:00 +0000 From: Samy Elashmawy <samelash(a)ix.netcom.com> Subject: startx /xwindowsw no longer works

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Sendmail RPM
by gdoris＠home.com 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: Gerry Doris <gdoris(a)home.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011201241060.1592-100000(a)leopard.dorfam.ca> Subject: Sendmail RPM I am running a SuSE 6.3 mail server and would like to update to the latest sendmail which I believe is 8.11.0. Can I use the rpm in version 7.0? Gerry "The lyf so short, the craft so long to learne" Chaucer

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xserver
by landie＠concentric.net 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:22:44 -0500 From: Landy Roman <landie(a)concentric.net> Message-ID: <20001118162244.A11302(a)concentric.net> Subject: xserver how do i know if i am runing xfree 4 or xfree 3.3.6,,,,, i suspect yast did not get xfree 4 and used xfree 3.... -- Rolando Roman SuSe 7.0 Linux virtuoso 2.2.16 #1 Wed Aug 2 20:22:26 GMT 2000 i586 unknown

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route problem
by shapa＠maxnet.ru 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

From: "Max Shaposhnikov" <shapa(a)maxnet.ru> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:04:54 +0300 Message-ID: <AOEJJKJLFPBGFHPGKHAFOEAGCBAA.shapa(a)maxnet.ru> Subject: route problem Who can explain me, why if i manually compile kernel from kernel.org, i've always got route error (core) when SuSE is booting? Very strange thing... Max Shaposhnikov, SpyLog UNIX administrator (www.spylog.ru)

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RE: [SLE] This is an RfC for SuSE, Inc. and SuSE GmBH.
by tbutler＠uninetsolutions.com 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

From: "Timothy R. Butler" <tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:22:04 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c05359$752c34c0$0101a8c0@g4958> Subject: RE: [SLE] This is an RfC for SuSE, Inc. and SuSE GmBH. Hmm... Is that maybe an unofficial release? -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: scsijon [mailto:scsijon@net2000.com.au] > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:43 AM > To: tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] This is an RfC for SuSE, Inc. and SuSE GmBH. > > > Funny, I thought it was already out. > > I picked up the 6CD set last weekend at my local Computer Swapmeet here in > Melbourne Australia for $A36. Single page in caddy says it's sold as is, > Manuals on Disc 1 (where they are), no direct support. Eratta and updates > can be got from the SuSE website. > > ?????????? > > scsijon > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy R. Butler <tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com> > To: SuSE Mailing List <suse-linux-e(a)suse.com> > Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:56 PM > Subject: [SLE] This is an RfC for SuSE, Inc. and SuSE GmBH. > > > >To SuSE, Inc. and SuSE GmBH, > > I find it funny that over one month after I petitioned for a response to > my Guru > >Edition proposal, I have heard nothing. Other users, indeed, have agreed > with me > >that this is a product that would be useful. Pure common sense that more > and more > >people have broadband internet and a cd burner alone hint at the fact that > there > >is little reason for a knowledgeable user to buy a $70 distro. > > That is why I, along with other SuSE Linux users, have said that a full > version > >without all the manuals and support for a dirt cheap price would be great. > This is > >a win/win situation for both users and SuSE. If people like me go download > SuSE > >off FTP, how much does SuSE make? Nothing. If I go spend a $20 or $30 (the > price > >Linux distros should be, IMO) and buy a SuSE, how much does SuSE make? I > don't > >know - but it's more than if I download SuSE. > > The moral of the story is, you can't endlessly bundle services with an > open > >source product to inflate prices. Eventually, knowledgeable users will just > burn > >their own CD's. However, if SuSE gives an affordable way to support SuSE's > >continued good work, but doesn't force the user to buy more than he wants - > we > >both win. > > > > This is a request for comments for either SuSE division, I would greatly > >appreciate a response. > > > > Once again this is what I'm proposing: > > > > Guru Edition: > > - 6 CD's/1 DVD > > - Small 10 or 20 page booklet with errata, getting started, etc. in > Jewel Case > > - Sold at retail stores (could be in section where they sell software > that is > >only in a Jewel Case > > - No box, no support, just 6 CD's and 1 DVD in a Jewel case or if > necessary - > >a paper CD case. > > - Sold somewhere between $20-$30 (There is no reason for it to be more, > it has > >no support, no manual, and most of the software is developed around the > world for > >free) > > - Could replace the current Upgrade Edition > > > > > > -Tim > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks > >Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 > >ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller > >tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com > >===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] > >> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:37 PM > >> To: Jonathan Wilson; SuSE Mailing List > >> Subject: RE: [SLE] SuSE Needs a "Guru Edition"! (was RE: [SLE] Upgrade > >> worth it?) > >> > >> > >> Glad to hear someone else feels the same way! It seems especially > critical for > >> SuSE to realize the need for this since broadband is becoming > increasingly > >> popular, and those of us who don't need $50 added to the price tag for > books and > >> support will be more likely to download in the future _unless_ there is > >> a cheaper > >> version with all of the power. > >> > >> Just my $0.02... > >> > >> -Tim > >> > >> PS: I believe I might signup for broadband soon, so I'll be all set for > >> downloading it. However, as I said, if there was a cheap version with > 6-CD's > >> (what, less than $0.10 a piece) and a DVD without support or a manual - > I'd pay > >> for it. Anyone at SuSE or other users who feel the same? > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks > >> Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 > >> ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller > >> tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com > >> ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Jonathan Wilson [mailto:wilson@claborn.net] > >> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:15 AM > >> > To: tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com > >> > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Needs a "Guru Edition"! (was RE: [SLE] Upgrade > >> > worth it?) > >> > > >> > > >> > Same here! I'd buy every single version if it would fall to $40 or > >> > less. And I use the books less and less all the time, in fact I hardly > >> > ever look at them now. They should just make the book available online > >> > on their web site. > >> > > >> > JW > >> > > >> > At 07:48 PM 10/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >Hi Tosi, > >> > >> You don't think half a thought ? What of FOUR books ? For the price > of SuSE > >> > >> Linux 7.0 Pro > >> > >> I get *ONE* book "for idiots" on Linux. What of the work of making a > >> > > > >> > > But, I don't need four books. That's fine, but I don't feel like > >> shelling out > >> > >$30 extra bucks every 4 months when all I want is the CD's. But, I > >> > have no choice, > >> > >the upgrade is just $10 less than the full thing at retail, and that > >> > savings would > >> > >be taken by the shipping and handling. > >> > > Personally, for power users, I think SuSE should take RedHat's old > >> > "Powertools" > >> > >idea, and offer a version that is just 6-cds and 1 DVD, and perhaps > >> a few page > >> > >booklet that fits in the product's jewel case. Then stamp something > between > >> > >$20-$35 on the case and call it "SuSE 7.1 Guru Edition" or something > >> like that. > >> > > The fact is, I wouldn't mind buying ever single version of SuSE, but > >> > I won't do > >> > >it for $60-$70 a wack. However, if SuSE had that "Guru Edition", > >> SuSE probably > >> > >would probably have a higher profit margin on that version than the > >> Pro edition > >> > >(since it lacks manuals and support), and they would also sell more to > "SOHO" > >> > >users like myself. Infact, I probably won't buy another copy of SuSE > >> > as it stands > >> > >for at least a year and a half [can't justify $70 for small > >> upgrades], but I'd > >> > >gladly pay $25, say, for every version of the bookless version. > >> > > Another benefit for SuSE on such a version would be the fact that > >> > Broadband is > >> > >increasingly popular. If I had broadband I would be inclined to just > download > >> > >SuSE, but I still might ***buy*** it if it's going for $25. > >> > > > >> > > Just my $0.02... > >> > > > >> > > -Tim > >> > > > >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks > >> > >Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 > >> > >ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller > >> > >tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com > >> > >===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> USER-FRIENDLY install- > >> > >> process ? That takes a large amount of work, and does cost a lot > >> of money if > >> > >> you're paying > >> > >> someone to do it for you. And what about a supportline ? Slackware > >> has to my > >> > >> knowledge NONE, > >> > >> and neither do *BSD ( not counting usenet and post-lists ) I think > SuSE are > >> > >> walking in the > >> > >> middle of that narrow yellow-brick road between rough-cut > Slackware etc ) > >> > >> and overpriced > >> > >> ( RedHat ), and doing so with style. > >> > >> > >> > >> -tosi > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] > >> > >> Sent: 11. október 2000 22:24 > >> > >> To: SuSE Mailing List > >> > >> Subject: RE: [SLE] Upgrade worth it? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi there, > >> > >> I thought I'd add a little something into my rant from last week. > FreeBSD > >> > >> is not > >> > >> only cheaper but comes with 2,000 packages (the extra 6 CD's) on top > of the > >> > >> main > >> > >> distribution packages (first 4 CD's). > >> > >> Now, I can't attest to the quality or the ease-of-use of FreeBSD, > >> nor would > >> > >> I > >> > >> want to switch from Linux, but that means two of the "other" guys > (FreeBSD > >> > >> along > >> > >> with Slackware) both offer comparable amounts of stuff for less > money. And, > >> > >> if > >> > >> ease of use is the excuse, once again, look at Windows ME Quick Jump > for > >> > >> Windows > >> > >> 98 at just $49 (at stores). > >> > >> > >> > >> I'll quit ranting for now, but I still can't understand why SuSE > is > >> > >> suddenly > >> > >> worth so much more (30-40 $ is a big big hike)... > >> > >> > >> > >> Still ranting at the fact that open source ain't cheap any more... > >> > >> > >> > >> -Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks > >> > >> Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 > >> > >> ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller > >> > >> tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com > >> > >> ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] > >> > >> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:11 PM > >> > >> > To: SuSE Mailing List > >> > >> > Subject: [SLE] Upgrade worth it? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Hi again, > >> > >> > I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), > >> but I was > >> > >> > wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that > >> on the web > >> > >> site, > >> > >> > SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however > I've > >> > >> seen the > >> > >> > full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if > you > >> > >> > buy the full > >> > >> > one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) > buying > >> > >> the > >> > >> > upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that > the > >> > >> upgrade's > >> > >> > price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than > the > >> > >> > full release, > >> > >> > will they make the price more sensible? > >> > >> > Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. > someone > >> > >> else's, > >> > >> > but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores > >> > >> > would charge at > >> > >> > least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the > upgrade high > >> > >> enough > >> > >> > that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else > notice > >> > >> this? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price > difference. If > >> > >> nothing > >> > >> > else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to > upgrade for > >> > >> $30-$40 > >> > >> > to the next release (when released). That way new customers would > pay the > >> > >> full > >> > >> > price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Case and point: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 > >> > >> > MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 > >> > >> > MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95 > >> > >> > > >> > >> > As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly > the > >> > >> > same (similar > >> > >> > to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), > >> > >> > Microsoft offered > >> > >> > Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really > cheap > >> > >> > version. Quick > >> > >> > Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 > of even > >> > >> the > >> > >> > upgrade's price. > >> > >> > While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft > sees that > >> > >> the > >> > >> > difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay > even > >> > >> > $89 for it, > >> > >> > so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper > version. > >> > >> > To me, this > >> > >> > is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little > >> > >> > version-to-version > >> > >> > change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I > said > >> > >> before, > >> > >> > allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be > great. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already > >> thown in a lot > >> > >> of > >> > >> > $0.02 on the issue... > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -Tim > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks > >> > >> > Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 > >> > >> > ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller > >> > >> > tbutler(a)uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com > >> > >> > ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >> > >> > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > >> > >> > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >> > >> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > >> > >> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >> > >> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > >> > >> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >> > >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > >> > >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > >> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > > > > >

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Kernel 2.2.16 Etherexpress PRO 10 TX failure
by Bob_Cameron＠lse.com.au 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

From: "Bob Cameron" <Bob_Cameron(a)lse.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:14:26 +1100 Message-ID: <004901c05336$ddb770e0$4401000a(a)lse.com.au> Subject: Kernel 2.2.16 Etherexpress PRO 10 TX failure Gidday Starting with Suse 6.2, applied all the latest patches, installed the lx-suse 2.2.16 kernel, compiled etc. The Etherexpress card stops TX'ing (tcpdump) after a while. Nothing special noted in logfile. Works okay with 2.2.10. Anyone come accross this? Any thoughts on what direction to take? Already changed NIC (non PNP) and MB. Cheers, Bob

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Remote Install, Printers and Ports...
by andrew＠andrewsmith.plus.com 20 Nov '00

20 Nov '00

Message-ID: <006101c05337$a87aca20$0b0aa8c0@alpha> From: "Andrew Smith" <andrew(a)andrewsmith.plus.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:20:05 -0000 Subject: Remote Install, Printers and Ports... Hi I'm planning to install SuSE 7 Pro on a number of machines via FTP/NFS... 1. Which is best/more efficient - NFS or FTP? 2. For speed, I will be copying all the CDs to the server's hard disk before installing any of the clients. What directory tree do the CDs need to be placed in so that I'm never asked to 'place CD X into the drive' - i.e. the install process can be started then left alone? The server machine will have an Epson Stylus Colour 3000 printer attached. Anyone know of driver availability? - the only I've seen so far is the 'gimp-print' plugin which apparently works though I don't know whether it's appropriate (http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net) What's the best way to allow the other Linux boxes to use the printer? Samba is a possibility, although I was wondering if there was a 'better' way? Lastly, what ports are used for ypserv/ypbind, yppasswdd and NFS (and are they tcp, udp or both)? Many Thanks, Andrew Smith

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