May 2012 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] acpid requires systemd?
by Felix Miata 25 Apr '24

25 Apr '24

Can this be true? If so, why? Zypper won't let me upgrade acpid without breakage unless systemd is installed too. I have systemd locked out, as I'd rather test things I can understand in Factory, not major overhaul stuff. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Export broken for KinfoCenter
by Roger Luedecke 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

Export button is greyed out no matter what. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Nothing provides /usr/bin/php5
by Sascha Peilicke 11 Jan '14

11 Jan '14

On 12/01/2011 11:44 AM, Kyrill Detinov wrote: > > Hello. > > We have one package affected in standard repo: leechcraft-eiskaltdcpp. > The program itself doesn't require php5. But the package includes > example scripts with shebang '!/usr/bin/php5'. So the package isn't > installable. > > Also I see the same problem with pgfouine from Contrib (written in > PHP) and eiskaltdcpp from filesharing repo. Maybe more in third-party > repositories. > > Can we have symlink /usr/bin/php -> php5 in php5 package? Or affected > packages should be fixed? > Please file a bug against php5 and assign to Cristian Rodríguez. -- Viele Grüße, Sascha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] rpmlint: warn if -ansi is used to build packages
by Cristian Rodríguez 19 Mar '13

19 Mar '13

Hi: Will be cool if rpmlint could warn when upstream packages attempt to use the -ansi gcc option because it inhibits usage of gcc builtin functions while optimizing (list here --> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Other-Builtins.html#Other-Builtins) most recently it caught my attention that it also disables the new "optimize-strlen" pass in gcc 4.7, in particular this: "for hosted compilations where stpcpy is available in the runtime and headers provide its prototype, e.g. void foo (char *a, const char *b, const char *c, const char *d) { strcpy (a, b); strcat (a, c); strcat (a, d); } can be optimized into: void foo (char *a, const char *b, const char *c, const char *d) { strcpy (stpcpy (stpcpy (a, b), c), d); } " when -ansi is used and (defined(_GNU_SOURCE) || (_XOPEN_SOURCE >= 700 || _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 200809L)) is false, there is no stpcpy prototype and hence no optimization. Thoughts ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: Fontconfig fonts priority
by Lars Müller 19 Feb '13

19 Feb '13

On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0100, Mariusz Fik wrote: > Dnia środa, 1 lutego 2012 01:03:13 Sven Burmeister pisze: > > Am Dienstag, 31. Januar 2012, 22:43:11 schrieb Mariusz Fik: > > > > > > current fontconfig configuration[1] sets the highest priority for > > > Microsoft font. If user install them (i.e. Times New Roman, Arial, > > > Consolas) they will be set as _default_ for respectively families > > > (sans-serif, sans, monospace). Why do we promote Microsoft fonts > > > instead support open fonts, shipped with system? > > > > > > I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our > > > default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for > > > use. > > > > > > Whats Your point of view in this case? > > > > Are you sure that the free fonts have the same quality – even if > > anti-aliasing is disabled? I remember ugly characters with free fonts > > unless I would use bitmap fonts and that's a no-go IMHO. My suggestion is: > > Set the best quality fonts as default. Those that do not want to use MS > > fonts simply do not install them. There was a reason to prefer those fonts > > and AFAIR it was quality or lack thereof regarding the free fonts. > > The goal is: to not set those fonts as _default_ and not to get them rid off . > Why Joe when install i.e. Consolas font should get it set as default monospace > font? Maybe he want's only to use it in a single program? Please continue this thread at opensuse-factory as it was already suggested as part of this thread. Therefore the Reply-To got set. The begin of this thread was here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-01/msg02101.html Why? Cause it's more likely that you'll get the required attention. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

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[opensuse-factory] KDE menus and gitorious
by Cristian Morales Vega 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

I created a merge request for desktop-data three weeks ago. It's just a minor patch that doesn't really fix anything but a warning from kbuildsycoca4. I'm not sure about how Gitorious works, maintainers are supposed to notice the "1" in the merge requests section or they receive an email notifying it? And since I'm on it. Since I updated my 11.3 system to KDE to 4.5 the "inline" part of the menu is not honored... Expected behavior? Known problem? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Classifying a bug under installation or kernel in Bugzilla
by Roman Bysh 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

Hello all, I have been having a problem in which the installer with default kernel freezes when "Searching for Linux Partitions" during the probing. This has been happening since 12.2 M1 - M3. To resolve this I add "acpi=off" to the boot options. This should not happen with the default kernel. Should I add this as a bug under "Installation" or "Kernel" in Bugzilla? -- Cheers! Roman -------------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE Linux -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] OpenTTD: An open source clone of Chris Sawyer's Transport Tycoon Deluxe
by Ammler 27 Aug '12

27 Aug '12

Dear openSUSE Factory Team OpenTTD is now for some years completely independent from the original TTD with its own graphics, sound and music. Therefore I would like to submit the package to openSUSE Factory. The brief description from http://www.openttd.org/en/about reads: OpenTTD is an open source simulation game based upon the popular Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe", written by Chris Sawyer. It attempts to mimic the original game as closely as possible while extending it with new features. Together with the package openttd, there are two data packages and one building tool: - openttd with subpackages openttd-dedicated (no SDL dependency) and openttd-data (noarch) - openttd-opengfx (required graphics) - openttd-openmsx (optional midi music) - nml (building tool for opengfx) (all 4 packages use license GPL-2.0) There is a third data package openttd-opensfx, but this does not fulfill the license requirements and so can't go to Factory (Creative Commons Sampling Plus 1.0, which means basically no commercial use). This is no big deal, like music sound is just optional and you can easily be downloaded ingame via the content service. Players get notified if they start openttd the first time. Some upstream developers of these dependent packages are also member of the OpenTTD dev team. This ensures that dependencies always work together. Also upstream has a very professional release workflow, which makes it easily maintainable for distro packager. There is a yearly major release on April 1st (no fool) and around 4 to 5 minor security/bugfix releases (http://security.openttd.org). Also there are security patches for older major release branches to support LTS distros, which do not update main releases during same distro. Usually it is very recommend to use the same versions as upstream to keep compatible with Network Multiplayer Games. But as openSUSE has a very short lifetime, this should be no issue. Development project is games. openttd is part of included there for ages. In order to ensure openttd and its support packages build on Factory, I created a temporary project: home:openttdcoop:Factory There you can find the 4 packages I submit to Factory. I heavily reworked the packages to make it "Factory capable" and didn't yet submit those changes to games. (review welcome) Currently, I don't submit testing releases (beta or RC) to games and keep those in home:openttdcoop. If openttd will be accepted in Factory, this might change. My next steps are now waiting for some comments here (around a week). If there won't be any arguments against submitting, I will submit openttd, openttd-opengfx, openttd-openmsx and nml from games to Factory. Please don't hesitate to answer, all kind of Feedback welcome. :-) Greets Marcel "Ammler" Gmür -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] drop openmotif
by Stephan Kulow 20 Jul '12

20 Jul '12

Hi, For some reason we have one non-oss package in our oss repo and this needs to be fixed - so I would like to drop openmotif from oss and move it (and it's dependencies). To quote from http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/faq.html: The Open Group Public License for Motif grants rights only to use the software on or with operating systems that are themselves Open Source programs. In restricting the applicability of the license to Open Source platforms this does not meet term 8 of the Open Software Definition (http://www.opensource.org/osd.html). Now the FAQ also claims they will make an open source release rather soon, but that document was updated last 2004 - and I don't think we will see a lot of new motif software in openSUSE in the future. Right now we have this list of packages that buildrequires openmotif: ddd dx libGLw MesaGLw mfsm mgdiff TeX-Guy timidity vtk xawtv xgrabsc xibod xmgrace xmoontool xpdf-poppler yudit 7 of those are on DVD and would be removed from it - and move to non-oss addon: ddd MesaGLw TeX-Guy timidity xawtv xpdf-poppler yudit Greetings, Stephan -- Last week's pet, this week's special. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] settings needed to get apache working on a local pc {127.0.0.1}
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 04 Jul '12

04 Jul '12

Hello, I am trying to get apache working on a local pc {127.0.0.1} and get this message. Access forbidden! You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 403 127.0.0.1 Wed May 30 19:08:55 2012 Apache/2.2.22 (Linux/SUSE) I have this version of Apache installed on Opensuse 12.2 factory # rpm -qa | grep -i apache | sort apache2-2.2.22-2.3.x86_64 apache2-mod_php5-5.3.10-1.3.x86_64 apache2-prefork-2.2.22-2.3.x86_64 apache2-utils-2.2.22-2.3.x86_64 Questions: - Which directory should this index document reside ? - Is there some documentation on how to get apache working, have you got a link to it ? Thanks Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Status: Beta
by Stephan Kulow 09 Jun '12

09 Jun '12

Hi, As we have no real estimate when the build service will be in a working state again, I can't forecast when we will have the first builds to test either. This is something that I did not expect - our servers really do not like 12.2 to be released ;( Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: More about the KDE Live CD
by Larry Finger 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

On 05/27/2012 02:11 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > One cannot but ask, after all the years of being hassle-free, why the current > problems with building the Live CDs? I am not sure that the Live CDs have been hassle free! > The House of Cards called openSUSE about to collapse in the foreseeable future? For the Doom-and-Gloom crowd, the answer is "perhaps". As I see it, there have been many problems. Perhaps there is an overall shortage of people to do the required tasks, and something may have to be dropped. There were also problems with the backend storage system and the entire build system that happened at a critical time. The boot system of the Live CDs is different than the other products, and it is difficult to debug. After working with building my own Live CDs for 5 days, I have learned a lot, but I still can do little more than report the symptoms to Coolo. Fixing anything will require a lot more knowledge. The specific problem with the Live CDs was related to the change in /usr that is part of 12.2. I have no idea why no new ones have been built. Both Gnome and KDE versions build here just fine. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Security or Convenience? Defining a better policy
by Andreas Jaeger 05 Jun '12

05 Jun '12

I just put the following on my blog as well (http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de) and look forward to your help defining a better policy: The openSUSE security concepts have been changed gradually over the years with new tools like PolicyKit, PolKit and its usage in system tools. It's time now to step back, and review what we have and want. Marcus and Ludwig from the SUSE security team and myself have discusssed over the last weeks a bit and like to open this to a broader round now to get your help defining what needs to be done. = Challenges we face = Administrating a system in a secure way is always balancing the needs and requests of security, convenience and usability. There's also the additional challenge that upstream projects often have a different view on either of these and therefore make different decisions and influencing upstream projects is quite often a difficult task. = Background = Linus Torvalds in his Google+ rant (https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5) "I first spent weeks arguing on a bugzilla that the security policy of requiring the root password for changing the timezone and adding a new wireless network was moronic and wrong. I think the wireless network thing finally did get fixed, but the timezone never did - it still asks for the admin password. And today Daniela calls me from school, because she can't add the school printer without the admin password. ... So here's a plea: if you have anything to do with security in a distro, and think that my kids (replace "my kids" with "sales people on the road" if you think your main customers are businesses) need to have the root password to access some wireless network, or to be able to print out a paper, or to change the date-and-time settings, ..." = How to continue? = We've collected a couple of use cases for the administration of a local system at: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Security_use_cases For each use case we added a short security evaluation but in most cases don't give a recommendation on what to do. Call for action: Review and discuss http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Security_use_cases using the following questions: * Are there any use cases missing? * Is there any thing missing in the specific use cases? * How can we solve these use cases so that a system is easy to setup for the most common usage scenarios? Let's do the discussion on the opensuse-factory mailing list, I'll update the document with any improvements. Feel free to enhance it as well. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Status: Beta
by Stephan Kulow 04 Jun '12

04 Jun '12

Hi, I just updated the opensuse-release field to say Beta 1 as the live cds work ok (even though there are some glitches) and the DVDs can be installed too (even though you don't want to create a /usr partion at the moment). All in all something I can release tomorrow *fingers crossed*. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] pkgconfigdeps.sh causes huge dependency bloat
by Cristian Rodríguez 01 Jun '12

01 Jun '12

Hi: The script that generates -devel package "pkgconfig" dependencies does not quite do the right thing. It honors *.private fields even when packages do not contain static libraries, hence adding a lot of unneeded stuff into the dependency chain. I you have ever wondered why every time you build a package it downloads and inject half of the distribution into your buildroot, this is a likely candidate to look in ;-) Will be cool if someone can take a look at it. Cheers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] GNOME:Ayatana
by Nelson Marques 01 Jun '12

01 Jun '12

I've got a request from 'damianator' for GNOME:Ayatana to join as maintainer; He seems to want to continue my past efforts around Unity, so I've accepted it and gave him full permissions on GNOME:Ayatana. I suppose this is the best thing to do in the best interests of openSUSE; Just reporting in case someone wants to help him out, since I know from my own experience that this is really a huge task. NM -- Nelson Marques // I've stopped trying to understand sandwiches with a third piece of bread in the middle... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Zabbix 2.0
by Henri Gomez 01 Jun '12

01 Jun '12

Hi to all Wondering if someone is working on Zabbix 2.0 RPM suite ? Cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] gpg link for 12.2 Beta1 is not working
by upscope 31 May '12

31 May '12

Trying to download .asc file for openSUSE 12.2 Beta 1 fails from http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en page. (586 version works). error message: code: ----------- Object not found, Error 404 /Code: ---------- Can this be fixed by someone on list or should it be reported to Bugzilla. MD5 and Sha1 sums check againt the downloaded DVD. Russ openSUSE 12.1(3.1.10-1.9-desktop x86_64)|KDE Platform Version 4.8.3 (4.8.3) "release 504"|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.53) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] gcc-c++-4.7 internal compiler error using optimisation
by dieter 31 May '12

31 May '12

Hello, I have a program which compiles fine on Opensuse 12.1 (gcc 4.6) with and without optimisation. In factory I get an internal compiler error if I use an optimsation level >0 (e.g. -O1). My installed gcc packages: gcc-4.7-1.1.x86_64 gcc47-4.7.0_20120413-2.1.x86_64 gcc47-c++-4.7.0_20120413-2.1.x86_64 gcc-c++-4.7-1.1.x86_64 Compilation output: $ g++ -O2 test.cpp. test.cpp: In function ‘uint8_t* findMarker_bin(uint8_t*, const uint8_t*)’: test.cpp:34:1: internal compiler error: Abgebrochen Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if appropriate. Here is the stripped down program test.cpp: #ifndef _GNU_SOURCE #define _GNU_SOURCE #endif #include <stdint.h> #include <cstdio> static const int marker[] = { 0xAC, 0xDC, 0xAC, 0xDC }; inline static uint8_t *findMarker_bin(uint8_t * curFilePos, const uint8_t * const fileEnd) { for (;;) { if ((*curFilePos == marker[0]) && (*(curFilePos + 1) == marker[1]) && (*(curFilePos + 2) == marker[2]) && (*(curFilePos + 3) == marker[3])) { return curFilePos + 4; } else { curFilePos++; if (curFilePos >= fileEnd - 3) { printf("end of mapped file reached!\n"); return 0; } } } } int main(int argc, char **argv) { uint8_t *curPos=NULL, *endPos=NULL; curPos = findMarker_bin(curPos, endPos); return 0; } Does somebody experience similar problems? Dieter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed lokalize has dependencies on non-existent Kross components
by Neil Darlow 31 May '12

31 May '12

Hi, I have an openSUSE-Current+Tumbleweed installation and when attempting to install lokalize I am informed that nothing provides kross-python. There are also dependencies on libkrosscore.so.4 and libkrossui.so.4 but there does not appear to be anything related to Kross in the openSUSE-Current or Tumbleweed repositories. As the lokalize package is available, is it just the case that Kross packages have been omitted from the repository in error? Regards, Neil Darlow -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] kernel-desktop 3.4.0-25.2 fills log with usb errors
by Patrick Shanahan 31 May '12

31 May '12

Booted kernel-desktop 3.4.0-25.2 x86_64 this morning and /var/log/messages is filling up with: May 30 00:15:43 Crash kernel: [55542.881697] hub 1-5.1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 May 30 00:15:43 Crash kernel: [55543.181230] usb 1-5.1.2: new high-speed USB device number 16 using ehci_hcd May 30 00:15:43 Crash kernel: [55543.266002] usb 1-5.1.2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 I believe this is my usb3 external drive. Filed but #764775 note: bug is against current Tumbleweed as of today. Was told to file Tumbleweed bugs against 12.2 12.2 only allows ms2, ms3 and factory -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora
by Tim Serong 31 May '12

31 May '12

Juat a heads-up for those who didn't see it yet: Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html TL;DR: - All Windows 8 hardware will ship with secure boot enabled. - Fedora doesn't want to have to make users fiddle with their firmware settings in order to run Fedora, so must support secure boot. - They're doing a multi-layer thing: - A tiny bootloader, signed with a microsoft key, loads: - a real bootloader (grub 2), signed with a fedora key which loads: - the kernel (& thus modules), also signed with fedora keys. Presumably it's worth evaluating this to see if a similar approach is suitable for openSUSE. Regards, Tim -- Tim Serong Senior Clustering Engineer SUSE tserong(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Copyright added to spec automatically
by Togan Muftuoglu 31 May '12

31 May '12

Hi, Something I do not understand, I have branched factory present package from its' devel project and afterwards when I osc ci the package back to my home branch somehow the following is added # Copyright (c) 2012 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany. The spec file already has the copyright related lines so the question is why when uploading the package the SUSE copyright is added. I have checked the package spec both in the devel project and in factory and they do not have this line so that means SUSE copyright is not mandatory and if so why during the osc ci process the copyright line is added. It is not something I am against but why does osc not honor the already present copyright Thanks Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] thinking about yast2 (slowness)
by Nelson Marques 30 May '12

30 May '12

2012/5/27 Marguerite Su <i(a)marguerite.su>: > > 在 2012-5-28 上午3:25，"Nelson Marques" <nmo.marques(a)gmail.com>写道： > > >> >> 2012/5/27 Marguerite Su <i(a)marguerite.su>: >> > Hi, all, >> > >> > users complained to me many times about yast2's slowness on >> > forums.o.o, twitter or gtalk groups. (of course in a form of flame war >> > like apt vs. yast, yum vs. yast...I don't want to say much about >> > that.) >> > >> > I didn't believe it, until today I broke my zypp cache, and had to >> > retrieve them all...and I found many ugly things. let me be clear one >> > by one. >> > >> > 1. yast-ncurses. >> > >> > you have to use `LANG=en zypper [option]` if you set your locale to >> > non-En environment. >> > >> > or texts will be displayed as unreadable ??????. >> > >> > see screenshot: http://paste.opensuse.org/40229867 >> > > > any ideas on this one？ > >> > 2. if you broke your zypp cache, yast-ncurses will always tell you >> > that you have insufficient permissions so can only see part of its >> > modules, even you logged in with root. (maybe not producible) >> > >> > 3. yast have to download every local package descrs, no matter whether >> > you need it or not. >> >> Yes, you and everyone else. It's that metadata that allows zypper to >> resolve dependencies and other things. If you don't have it available >> you defeat the whole purpose of a repository. >> >> > I think just download packages.en.gz and packages.your_locale.gz will >> > be enough. (nowadays it downloads all of them...du, kr, zh_TW, pl, >> > blabla...) >> > >> > and it's the cause of its slowness.. >> > >> > it took me 40 minutes to refresh it all...even with local mirrors on. >> >> You most likely have a transparent proxy somewhere in the middle that >> is introducing erratic behavior or limiting down; that sounds the most >> reasonable explanation. >> > > hi，nelson， > > do you mean some isp slow me down in the middle of the transition from > server to me？ > > I am not network expert...I cant quite follow this part Yes, there can be a problem somewhere in the network, and it might be bottlenecking somewhere, which could cause issues on your end. > >> > >> > I have a 4MB download speed, but can only download at a speed of < >> > 10KB/s. >> >> I can top my home line to 1.2Mbytes/sec (12Mbit ADSL); And I can get >> far more higher speeds through my office. > > yes. > > so are you suggesting me upgrading my internet plan to use opensuse？like buy > a new computer to install opensuse？ No, I'm trying to tell you that if it was a problem on dl.opensuse.org, we would suffer from it to. If I can get those speeds, you should as aswell; for a 4Mbit downstream window you should get around 400Kb/sec. If you are not getting them, that's because there's an issue somewhere, right ? Now, depending on the type of your connection there can be lots of factors, from transparent proxies, to network bottlenecks on your ISP side, crazed routing tables, etc. For example, ADSL connections you have phisical factors, like the distance between your house to the central that serves you, etc. > > if my computer is obsolete. i will. but actually 4mb is the largest internet > speed in Chinese...I can't immigrate only to update my opensuse box. right？ > so the question I want to ask is how to or is there any possible way to > speed zypper refresh based on the infrastructure I have. There's nothing you or anyone else can do on zypper if the problem is related with a network bottleneck for example or crazed routing tables. >> >> > I knew it's slow, but I don't know it's that slow... >> > >> > the standard procedure to use yast is: a. launch b. min it and do >> > something else c. after half an hour, operate, min it again d. wait >> > until it closes itself. >> > >> > I think we really need to improve it. like: >> >> > (1) try merge package descrs among repositories. most of same >> > packages' descrs among repos are the same. we don't need to download >> > it several times. >> >> I would belive that this would introduce chaos and havoc in >> operational theaters that contemplate concorrent repositories. Why >> should my repo metadata be replaced by some other repo metadata? >> Simples example: >> >> - My repo has a version of PostgreSQL without UUID support. If you >> merge metada and mine gets replaced with the one from a repo which has >> PostgreSQL built with UUID support, users will most likely get a >> broken PostgreSQL. You will blow up the majority of systems with >> concorrent repositories. >> > > do you mean packages.en.gz is used to solve dependencies？I think they are > just translations. I never mean to merge oss and k：d：l contents together. > but packages descr. eg %description instead of gpg keys....or rpms > themeselves. If we are talking about the files in 'repodata' or similiar depending if it's rpm-db or yast2 (which I believe we are), those files are created so that the package manager tools (zypper, yum) can read the metadata from the RPMs available instead of querying them all. So if you so for example a query on zypper and you dont have those files, there's an error. If you rmeove info from those files, it can lead to malformed dependencies. Like I said in my last email, there's most likely a global community living from those repos, you might not have interest on descriptions, but I and other people have. > > eg：you may have two packages in different repos with the same %description. > then why do we need to download such descriptions twice？ If dump a lot of RPMs into a directory and you run 'createrepo' on it. It extracts the metadata from all RPMs and creates those file lists or injects it into a sqlite database. This information (like I said before) is used by the package manager tools (zypper) to resolve dependencies and show information to the user. Try to search a bit for what RPM NEVRA is. > packages.en.gz has nothing to do with dependencies. or specfiles Then we are maybe speaking of different things. I was assuming you were mentioning the files on 'repodata'. If they are... we shouldnt mess with them. > they are copied out simple texts by coolo's script work in i18n 50-tools > >> > (2) make a daemon to download them in background when system starts. >> >> Uncool stuff and bloat. How would that feature help a system with 1000 >> days uptime? You can easilly setup a local repo with mrepo and run a >> local mirror to overcome all the dificulties you are presenting. >> > > yes. > > but I dont know how... > > someone said descrs are downloaded from suse original server and packages > are downloaded from mirrors. > > so to me it means I can get a fast speed if I set up a server to fetch all > rpms from a mirror and install them by rpm command. or if I use yast，I have > to download descrs from original server. that will be slow. > > if I have such server，why I still use yast.... > >> > (3) give user options to not download and display descrs/summaries, >> > but to find and install only using package names. >> >> You are away that by doing such, you are suggesting that we strip off >> zypper functionality that will affect dependency resolution? How will >> this help? For example: >> >> - # zypper install /usr/bin/ssh >> >> Now what does zypper do if he can't access the repo metadata? :) >> > > do you mean package.en.gz is metadata controling dependencies？ > > Well maybe we need some yast expert to tell us....because I translated such > packages.en.gz and didnt find any dependencies in it. I dont know if there > are autoscripts adding such dependencies to my translations. I'm pretty sure I'm not one of them, neither I want to be. > if there is. it will be design default. because rpm dont know chinese...how > can it solve dependencies in packages.zh_cn.gz？ > >> > just some ideas in thin air....I don't how to implement it. >> > >> > >> > PS: I think we should remove the "OSS might be slow" string from >> > translations and yast itself. >> > >> > a warning is something you can avoid and don't do it. but repositories? >> > >> > you have to enable it not matter how many warnings it warns, if you >> > want to do things using it. >> > >> > but are those things dangerous or risky? no. come on, it's our own OSS >> > repo. it's just slow. >> > >> > and can you avoid that slow? no... >> > >> > so it sounds to warn users something they can't change. useless and >> > feels forcibly. >> > >> > it does us more harms than benefits if you think it deeper. >> > >> > we give our users a bad first impression that it is slow, so it has to >> > be fast like a flash to change their such minds. >> > >> >> Please consider that there is a world outside China ;) >> > > yes... > > without any part， it cant be called world...so we have to solve the problem > in the worst place instead of the best place... > > actually，off topic，opensuse has little users in China partially because it > is hard to download（big iso）and update （slow yast）. most people's internet > speed is even slower than mine.... What I meant is that openSUSE serves a global community, therefore, because I only use English, doesnt mean that German, Russian, Portuguese and other should be removed on behalf of my own needs because there are other people for which those are important. > greetings，marguerite > > from my Android. > >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Marguerite >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Nelson Marques >> // I've stopped trying to understand sandwiches with a third piece of >> bread in the middle... -- Nelson Marques // I've stopped trying to understand sandwiches with a third piece of bread in the middle... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] plymouth on Fedora 17
by Sid Boyce 30 May '12

30 May '12

I've installed Fedora 17 KDE live iso under VirtualBox and the splash screen looks very professional compared to the tawdry look on openSUSE. I know Fedora have had a good head start but I hope a more professional look is envisaged for openSUSE. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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