openSUSE Factory October 2006

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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
by Terje J. Hanssen 17 Nov '06

17 Nov '06

Missing Xen: Maybe this is not the right place, but I really miss Xen on the announced Features and Roadmap for openSUSE 10.2. The "Status of Xen3 on SUSE Linux 10.0", which is the only and latest I still can see, is http://en.opensuse.org/Xen3_Status_and_Updates The last line in that table, "Other Operating System support on top of Xen and VT not tested" is especially of interest to follow up now. XenSource is also just releasing their XenEnterprise with support Linux guest operating systems with Windows support following before the end of 2006 in alignment with the broad availability of Intel and AMD server systems designed to support Xen. XenEnterprise is promises to make it very easy for an organization to install, configure, manage and monitor virtualized Windows and Linux operating systems running across multiple physical servers. What I really wish is that openSUSE 10.2 will offer some smaller "Xen workstation" solution that with YaST tools can ease the installation, configuration and administration of Xen and typical and actual i.e Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP as additional guest operating systems on Intel-VT and AMD-V workstations. If this features is possible to include, I think it will further power openSUSE 10.2 ? Regards, Terje J. Hanssen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Banshee 0.11 in openSUSE 10.2?
by Peter Flodin 10 Nov '06

10 Nov '06

Another Novell project Banshee, the iTunes-like audio player and media device synchroniser, has recently released version 0.11. http://www.banshee-project.org/Releases/0.11.0 This release has substantial improvements over the 0.10.x version, my favourite, which is podcasting support through an improved official plugin, which I have been using in the CVS version. I have two questions: 1. Will it be in openSUSE 10.2? 2. Are there rpms for SUSE somwhere? I am surprised that a Novell sponsored project doesn't have Suse RPMS as part of it's download. The openSUSE buildservice needs some internal marketing perhaps... Pflodo Peter Flodin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] About ext3 as default and periodic fs checks
by Silviu Marin-Caea 07 Nov '06

07 Nov '06

The periodic ext3 fs checks at boot are driving me nuts. I know they can be disabled. Couldn't they be performed at shutdown instead of boot? Whenever someone starts the computer it means 100% they need it right then. Having ext3 perform fs checking on a 300 GB full drive is nothing that any user will tolerate easily. OTOH whenever someone shuts down the computer, there's a 95% chance that it doesn't need it right then anymore (it's not a reboot). However, there is a small problem with my suggestion. There is a chance that the fs check at shutdown finds an error that needs user intervention. In that case I think there must be a way to mark the volume dirty and go forward with the shutdown. Then at boot do again a fs check and let the user decide. These would be the steps, from boot: 0. boot 1. is fs dirty? then fsck and prompt user how to fix errors 2. run OS 3. at shutdown: should the fs be checked (verify mount count or period) if yes then fsck with "automatic fix" option. Did the fsck find errors that cannot be fixed automatically? If yes mark fs dirty. Shutdown. This way, the user would never have to wait at boot, and the filesystem would still be checked periodically. What do you think? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] KSynaptics
by Michael Riess 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

hi, just upgraded to 10.2 Beta1 on my notebook and it seems to work OK till now because it is a notebook i was always fighting with the touchpad till i read about KSynaptics are there any plans to integrate KSynaptics http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net into 10.2 or is there a equivalent Tool for configuring the Touchpad? ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Package management architecture
by Martin Schlander 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Presently discussion is on-going in bugzilla about the architecture of package management, mostly wrt. 10.2. I think that we should clarify longer term goals. Which imho must be to not have zmd installed by default on openSUSE, as it causes problems and unnecessary complexity without adding functionality that the openSUSE users need. I'm curious if official people agree with this? With zypper (cli) and opensuse-updater (updater applet) it is within grasp to not have zmd+friends on KDE installations. It's more problematic for GNOME as removing zmd would mean no updater applet would be available for them. But this should be fixable for 10.3. Nat Budin did this image to illustrate package management on 10.1: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Package-management-in-code10.png I've done a quick mock-up of how it could look in the future for comparison - maybe already in 10.2 for KDE users: http://suse.linuxin.dk/pm102.png Whether or not this architecture is feasible for 10.2, depends on the stability of zypper and opensuse-updater. Therefore I recommend to test it a lot. To be able to test it thouroughly we need updates though. One of the lessons learned from the 10.1 debacle was that a lot of the problems didn't become apparent until we had multiple repositories and update repos to test with. This repo exists: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/suse/suse/update/10.1.42/ But there are no packages there. Would it be possible to provide some sort of dummy updates? Also some repos exist for Factory on the buildservice with newer packages than the ones in factory. Which is useful for testing the package management in more of a real life scenario. Note that at the present zypper is missing from factory, but I assume that'll be remedied soon. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216585 At the very least 10.2 users should be able to remove zmd+friends and still have cli (zypper) and an updater applet (KDE users only), which in it self is one of many improvements in 10.2 over 10.1. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Repository consistency checklist
by Andreas Hanke 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

This is a short specification of requirements for a consistent repository. (1) All requirements of binary packages must be provided by a binary package. (2) All build-requirements of source packages must be provided by a binary package. (3) The SOURCERPM tag of every binary package must exactly match an existing source package. (4) All packages which are provided for more than one architecture should be provided with the same version and release numbers on all architectures. (5) No package may obsolete another package that still exists in the distribution. Only packages which are no longer part of the distribution may be obsoleted. (6) No file in the distribution may be provided by more than one package unless all its providers are marked as conflicting. (7) No package may replace something that existed as a directory in at least the direct predecessor of the currently prepared distribution with a file or a symlink or vice versa unless the rpm breakage caused by this is worked around with %pre scriptlets or similar. (8) Packages that provide the same thing can indicate bugs, and fool the package manager into installing the wrong package. There are cases where providing the same thing in multiple packages makes sense (example: alternative backends for multimedia players), but the tree should be investigated for cases where this does not make any sense and can be dangerous (example: private copies of libraries which also exist as a public library). (1), (2), (3) and (4) can probably only be verified shortly before the release. Or, checking this now would not make much sense as long as the tree is still in flux. (5), (6), (7) and (8), however, are things that can be tested at any time. The Beta period which will start very soon is very well suited to squeeze all such issues out. Ideally, as much of this as possible would be automated, and done in a similar way as a typical testsuite for software packages. I think that (5) and (6) can be completely automated, while (7) and (8) can be identified automatically, but would still need to be looked at manually for evaluation. Opinions? Andreas Hanke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] speed impression on firefox 2
by Dominique Leuenberger 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hi everybody, I have upgraded to Beta 1 of openSUSE 10.2 last week. Since then, I feel Firefox (which also got upgraded to 2.0 now) much slower than 1.5 was before. For example, when entering an URL then hitting <enter>, for a while nothing happens (not even the status bar changes from stopped or something). In general, I would say the surfing experiance got much worse. I also have FF on my win installation in the office and wouldn't say it degraded somehow. (or not as much experianced). Does anybody else have this experiance with FF2? Dominique

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[opensuse-factory] libstdc++.la library
by Juan Erbes 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

Hi! In what package are the libstdc++.la library? I'm rebuilding the cinelerra package from the packman repo, because the original hangs, and I got: /usr/include/bits/stdio2.h:66:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /bin/sh ../../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DHAVE_MMX -DUSE_MMX -DX86_CPU -DHAVE_MMX -DHAVE_BUILTIN_VECTOR -D_GNU_SOURCE -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -I./.. -O2 -g -m32 -march=i586 -mtune=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -o libavcodec.la bitstream.lo utils.lo mem.lo allcodecs.lo mpegvideo.lo jrevdct.lo jfdctfst.lo jfdctint.lo mpegaudio.lo ac3enc.lo mjpeg.lo resample.lo resample2.lo dsputil.lo motion_est.lo imgconvert.lo imgresample.lo mpeg12.lo mpegaudiodec.lo pcm.lo simple_idct.lo ratecontrol.lo adpcm.lo eval.lo error_resilience.lo fft.lo mdct.lo raw.lo golomb.lo cabac.lo dpcm.lo adx.lo rational.lo faandct.lo parser.lo g726.lo vp3dsp.lo integer.lo h264idct.lo rangecoder.lo pnm.lo h263.lo msmpeg4.lo h263dec.lo dvdsub.lo dvbsub.lo dvbsubdec.lo aasc.lo alac.lo asv1.lo cinepak.lo cljr.lo cyuv.lo dv.lo 8bps.lo ffv1.lo flac.lo flicvideo.lo 4xm.lo fraps.lo h261.lo h264.lo huffyuv.lo idcinvideo.lo indeo2.lo indeo3.lo interplayvideo.lo lcl.lo loco.lo mace.lo msrle.lo msvideo1.lo png.lo qdrw.lo qpeg.lo qtrle.lo ra144.lo ra288.lo roqvideo.lo rpza.lo rv10.lo shorten.lo smc.lo snow.lo sonic.lo svq1.lo truemotion1.lo tscc.lo ulti.lo vc9.lo vcr1.lo vmdav.lo vorbis.lo vp3.lo vqavideo.lo wmadec.lo wnv1.lo ws-snd1.lo xan.lo xl.lo xvmcvideo.lo a52dec.lo faad.lo faac.lo x264.lo mp3lameaudio.lo oggvorbis.lo oggtheora.lo i386/libavcodeci386.la -la52 -lfaad -lfaac -lx264 -lmp3lame -logg -lvorbis -lm -logg -lvorbisenc -lvorbis -lm -logg -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -lm -logg -ltheora -logg -lm -ldl -lpthread grep: /usr/lib/libstdc++.la: No such file or directory /usr/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libstdc++.la: No such file or directory libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libstdc++.la' is not a valid libtool archive I made a "locate libstdc++" and found: /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/libstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0.so /usr/lib/libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.7.2 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.8 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.8.0 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.9 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.9.0 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.5 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.8 /usr/share/doc/packages/libstdc++-devel /usr/share/doc/packages/libstdc++-devel/README /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/libstdc++.a is nearly than, but is the same? I can do a symlink as libstdc++.la pinting to /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/libstdc++.a? Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Beta1 install report
by Andras Mantia 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

Hi, I just updated my 10.1 system to 10.2 Beta1 to finally test the upcoming SUSE and in hope to find bugs and make the final release as good as possible. ;-) I used a way for upgrade that is for sure not well tested, namely System Update from YaST with the downloaded CD ISO images that were not copied to the hard disk, but were sitting on a DVD. This is all due to lack of disk space (but I ordered a new HDD today :-)). Good enough, the installation went quite OK, aside of two issues, one because of my system (not enough hard disk space, so some packages were not upgraded, altough I'm sure that the space would be enough if I would uses --force for rpm), the other one was a more serious problem: 2006-10-30 20:46:56 <5> stein(5536) [base] Exception.cc(log):94 RpmDb.cc(doInstallPackage):2002 THROW: RpmDb.cc(doInstallPackage):2002: Subprocess faile d. Error: RPM failed: Updating etc/sysconfig/displaymanager... 2006-10-30 20:46:56 <5> stein(5536) [base] Exception.cc(log):94 2006-10-30 20:46:56 <5> stein(5536) [base] Exception.cc(log):94 ERROR: SuSEconfig or requested SuSEconfig module not present! 2006-10-30 20:46:56 <5> stein(5536) [base] Exception.cc(log):94 2006-10-30 20:46:56 <5> stein(5536) [base] Exception.cc(log):94 error: %postun(xgl-cvs_060522-0.13.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 Does it worth a bug report or is it known? So far so good, I rebooted, modified the fstab due to the fact that the IDE port on Promise chip is still not supported (reported since 10.0, waiting for the patch to hit the upstream kernel). After the second reboot, everything looked fine until I started to write this mail. The KMail composer here is completely broken, and I know it's not a KMail bug as I used a self compiled SVN version from 3.5.5 branch even before on 10.1. The problems are: 1) text because invisible in the Subject line after the first space 2) spaces are not shown and cursor jumps erratic from one place to another, making input impossible. I found that I had set Microsoft Sans Serif as the composer font and switching to another one (even other MS fonts) is fine. Did something went wrong with font cache generation? I can file a report for this as well, but I'm not sure it is a general problem. Congratulation for now, and I'm going out to hunt for the -devel packages not on the 5 CDs... ;-) Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] xgl-hardware-list missing in Beta1
by Sid Boyce 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

xgl-cvs is present both on the DVD and in factory, depends on the missing xgl-hardware-list. Should I file a bug? Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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