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[opensuse-factory] Plans and Issues for ATI fglrx Driver for 11.2?
by David C. Rankin 04 Jul '09

04 Jul '09

Listmates, There are 2 issues that need to be addressed regarding the fglrx driver and the upcoming 11.2 release. Currently in 11.1, there are many laptop cards supposedly "supported" by the ATI driver that crash or hardlock when the driver is installed. Currently my X1200 is one, the 200 is another from the list (I'm not sure what the technical card architecture is for the "200"). Suffice it to say, this is a significant problem for all affected users. The issues that need to be addressed pre-11.2 are: (1) Performance issues and crashes caused by the ATI driver. Recent driver problems: The 9-2 driver release caused my Toshiba 205d laptop to reboot on xdm start and the 9-3 driver caused my laptop to hardlock if glxgears was started. All fglrx drivers 8-10 through 8-12 had performance of less than 60% of the 8-9 driver. Compounding the problem is the fact that nothing prior to the 8-12 driver will even compile or run on 11.1 or later (presuming 11.2 as well) Thankfully, there are some cards that seem to do OK with the recent 9-3 driver on 11.1, but it is hit or miss ...and... the fact that it works on "some" does nothing to address and help the users where it "does not" work. Before the 11.2 release, Novell needs to get a handle on what cards will and will not run with the ATI driver and at least incorporate a warning or release note for those with affected hardware. (2) Confirm - ATI driver support will be dropped for all R300-R500 ATI cards post 9-3 driver release (per phoronix.com ATI forum). This is another *biggie* Novell needs to get its arms around, to again, either incorporate into the installer a way to not install the driver on non-supported hardware or identify and warn about the lack of support for all R300-R500 cards. That means no (nada) fglrx driver support for the R300-R500 series cards which include the: 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X550, X600, X700, X800, X850 AllInWonder, and X1050 cards affecting all laptops bought before Q3 2005 (or January 2007 in the case of the X1050). All of which are still *very* prevalent in the group of laptops that make up the installed user base today and will continue to do so through 11.2 release. This issue of dropping support is separate and apart from issue (1) above because the group of cards in (1) are supposedly still supported. Other Thoughts: After Stefan Dirsch handed over the reins of driver maintainer to Bob Walmsley <bob(a)walmsley.com.au> I guess he is now the guy that this should be coordinated through. I am glad to try and help, and to run test cases, etc. since I drew the black bean in laptop selection so let me know if/when there are new cases to test. I follow the ATI driver releases and test each one so I have a good handle on where things stand today. The problem is that Novell needs to use its resources to get a working partner in ATI to address some of these issues. Luugi Marsan <atilinuxnovellbugs(a)ati.com> was in the past the ATI contact, but at present, I haven't a clue who the ATI contact is or even if there is one. Without a good contact, we are dead-in-the-water getting any of these issues addressed and we are guaranteed a significant number of stranded users if these issues are not addressed. Right now the 8-9 driver works fine for 10.3 and 11.0, but unfortunately it is incompatible with 11.1. The ATI issues prevent me, and all others affected, from being able to move to 11.1. Hopefully, if Novell will start now to address some of these driver issues with ATI, then by 11.2 release they have a good chance of ironed out. With a desktop, you can always rip the ATI card out and replace it. With a laptop ... you are kind-of stuck. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] isos at 422K
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

Hello, Some recent ISOs are coming out as 422K. I think that is wrong size or not building properly. Please fix Thanks Glenn http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/ openSUSE-GNOME-LiveCD-i586-i686-Build0104-Media.iso 20-May-2009 04:41 422K openSUSE-GNOME-LiveCD-x86_64-Build0104-Media.iso 20-May-2009 04:41 422K openSUSE-KDE4-LiveCD-i586-i686-Build0104-Media.iso 20-May-2009 04:41 422K openSUSE-KDE4-LiveCD-x86_64-Build0104-Media.iso 20-May-2009 04:41 422K openSUSE-NET-i586-Build0103-Media.iso 18-May-2009 15:48 92M openSUSE-NET-i586-Build0104-Media.iso 20-May-2009 04:41 93M openSUSE-NET-x86_64-Build0103-Media.iso 18-May-2009 15:52 118M openSUSE-NET-x86_64-Build0104-Media.iso 20-May-2009 10:17 119M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] RFC: What should be on the DVD and what's fine online only?
by Stephan Kulow 08 Jun '09

08 Jun '09

Hi, As texlive was updated vom 2007 to 2008 in factory, it also grew from 159MB to 266MB and that made the milestone2 DVDs exceed the limits you can burn on DVD. I made a quick hack and removed qt4 documentation, which is also impressive 90MB. Werner says that texlive upstream doesn't see the problem and doesn't provide a good way to split (it's own distribution is a DVD or 2 CDs). And there is our problem: With every release it eats more and more of the openSUSE DVDs and I'm afraid it exceeded a sane limit - as it's far from mainstream I would remove it. I know how many use texlive and I don't talk about dropping it out of the distribution, but I can't hold it on DVD unless I drop several other packages. To give you an impression let me give you a list of packages on build112 DVD sorted by size: 266M noarch/texlive-2008-5.1.noarch.rpm 83M noarch/libqt4-devel-doc-data-4.5.1-1.1.noarch.rpm 72M noarch/kernel-source-2.6.30-4.1.noarch.rpm 32M x86_64/koffice-illustration-1.6.3-214.26.x86_64.rpm 27M x86_64/java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b16-1.2.x86_64.rpm 26M noarch/opensuse-manual_de-11.1-2.21.noarch.rpm 25M x86_64/kdebase3-3.5.10-22.12.x86_64.rpm 25M noarch/efont-unicode-0.4.2-215.37.noarch.rpm 25M noarch/OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.78.noarch.rpm 24M noarch/xorg-x11-fonts-7.4-1.79.noarch.rpm 23M x86_64/kdebase4-workspace-4.2.85-1.3.x86_64.rpm 22M noarch/CID-keyed-fonts-MOE-20021114-339.17.noarch.rpm 21M noarch/opensuse-manual_en-11.1-29.17.noarch.rpm 20M x86_64/frozen-bubble-2.2.0rc1-1.46.x86_64.rpm 20M noarch/xemacs-packages-20070427-155.76.noarch.rpm 19M noarch/OpenOffice_org-icon-themes-3.1.0.2-1.1.noarch.rpm 19M x86_64/samba-client-3.3.4-1.1.x86_64.rpm 18M noarch/OpenOffice_org-help-ja-3.1.0.2-1.1.noarch.rpm 18M noarch/kde4-l10n-sv-doc-4.2.85-1.1.noarch.rpm I now removed the second largest package so it fits for the moment, but I don't feel that's justified. But perhaps I'm wrong. So let's discuss what the DVDs should be optimized for. Greetings, Stephan P.S. If you want to discuss packages that are currently not on DVD and should be there, feel free to do so if you start your post with "XX should go" as long as XX is part of the above list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] The plan to speed up openSUSE 11.2
by Rastislav Krupanský 03 Jun '09

03 Jun '09

Hi folks. I installed Ubuntu 9.04 and i'm unpleasantly surprised, how faster is than openSUSE 11.1. In according to minuses from Brainstorming, http://en.opensuse.org/BrainStorming_Prague#Slow.2Funstable_applications http://en.opensuse.org/BrainStorming_Prague#Low-level_system_performance and especially article http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/12/16/comments-on-phoronix-benchmarking-op… by Andreas Jaeger, i want to ask, whether is any plan to speed up openSUSE 11.2? Do you realize that you should really do something with prerformance? For example, i noticed that i have to wait a longer when i launch gnome suse menu, control center, Firefox..., but the most problem is that, Gnome sometimes lags after using Firefox (probably caused by Intel graphics driver). I don't have theses issues in Ubuntu. And in the global, Ubuntu works faster on my hardware(HP NX 6110) in this state (although i disabled barriers for ext3) and it's not pleasure for me. So, how is it with the performance for openSUSE 11.2? Any news, any progress? Can i expect better performance? Thanks -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Milestone 1 and VNC
by Richard (MQ) 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

Just noticed that my installation of milestone 1 seems to have left out VNC server - and trying to install it fails with "nothing provides xorg-x11-Xvnc needed by tightvnc..." Is this a quirk of my installation (on a dual-core Celeron / Asus P5G-MX system, generally using defaults) or does anyone else see it? Nothing relevant on Bugzilla that I can find. -- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] [patch] fam - fix build error with gcc44
by Jan-Simon Möller 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

Hi! Attached patch fixes fam with gcc44. Best, Jan-Simon

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[opensuse-factory] [patch] fix libaio for ARM (and others)
by Jan-Simon Möller 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

Hi ! libaio needs this patch to work on ARM an other arch's : http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-hppa@lists.debian.org/msg05882.html 00_arches.patch in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/liba/libaio/libaio_0.3.106-8.diff.gz Best, Jan-Simon

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[opensuse-factory] screen saver wake up delay
by Donn Washburn 31 May '09

31 May '09

Hey Group; Just recently the screen saver is not waking up.. I have turned off any feature dealing with power savings. The only way to turn the screen back on is to shut off the monitor and turn it back on. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb(a)comcast.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb(a)arrl.net " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Milestone2 as the Product version is missing in Bugzilla
by Rastislav Krupanský 29 May '09

29 May '09

Hi all. I want to file a bug related to Milestone2, but it's missing in Bugzilla as the product version in drop-down menu. Could you please add it? Thanks. -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Stapio no process killed
by Donn Washburn 28 May '09

28 May '09

Hey Group; U hope this is the correct list to ask! I get a message "Stapio no process killed" every time I boot up SuSE 11.2, even before I login It must be coming from a /etc/init.d/file script. Does anyone see this error. It is not a kernel error problem. It just pops up. Also "startproc" states "-p does not work in force mode" . That error message shows up at boot up also. It seems it occurs changing to runlevel and after the boot scripts just before login. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb(a)comcast.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb(a)arrl.net " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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