Listmates,
There are 2 issues that need to be addressed regarding the fglrx driver and
the upcoming 11.2 release. Currently in 11.1, there are many laptop cards
supposedly "supported" by the ATI driver that crash or hardlock when the driver
is installed. Currently my X1200 is one, the 200 is another from the list (I'm
not sure what the technical card architecture is for the "200"). Suffice it to
say, this is a significant problem for all affected users. The issues that need
to be addressed pre-11.2 are:
(1) Performance issues and crashes caused by the ATI driver. Recent driver
problems: The 9-2 driver release caused my Toshiba 205d laptop to reboot on xdm
start and the 9-3 driver caused my laptop to hardlock if glxgears was started.
All fglrx drivers 8-10 through 8-12 had performance of less than 60% of the 8-9
driver. Compounding the problem is the fact that nothing prior to the 8-12
driver will even compile or run on 11.1 or later (presuming 11.2 as well)
Thankfully, there are some cards that seem to do OK with the recent 9-3 driver
on 11.1, but it is hit or miss ...and... the fact that it works on "some" does
nothing to address and help the users where it "does not" work. Before the 11.2
release, Novell needs to get a handle on what cards will and will not run with
the ATI driver and at least incorporate a warning or release note for those
with affected hardware.
(2) Confirm - ATI driver support will be dropped for all R300-R500 ATI cards
post 9-3 driver release (per phoronix.com ATI forum). This is another *biggie*
Novell needs to get its arms around, to again, either incorporate into the
installer a way to not install the driver on non-supported hardware or identify
and warn about the lack of support for all R300-R500 cards.
That means no (nada) fglrx driver support for the R300-R500 series cards which
include the: 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X550, X600, X700, X800, X850
AllInWonder, and X1050 cards affecting all laptops bought before Q3 2005 (or
January 2007 in the case of the X1050). All of which are still *very* prevalent
in the group of laptops that make up the installed user base today and will
continue to do so through 11.2 release. This issue of dropping support is
separate and apart from issue (1) above because the group of cards in (1) are
supposedly still supported.
Other Thoughts:
After Stefan Dirsch handed over the reins of driver maintainer to Bob Walmsley
<bob(a)walmsley.com.au> I guess he is now the guy that this should be coordinated
through. I am glad to try and help, and to run test cases, etc. since I drew
the black bean in laptop selection so let me know if/when there are new cases
to test. I follow the ATI driver releases and test each one so I have a good
handle on where things stand today. The problem is that Novell needs to use its
resources to get a working partner in ATI to address some of these issues.
Luugi Marsan <atilinuxnovellbugs(a)ati.com> was in the past the ATI contact, but
at present, I haven't a clue who the ATI contact is or even if there is one.
Without a good contact, we are dead-in-the-water getting any of these issues
addressed and we are guaranteed a significant number of stranded users if these
issues are not addressed.
Right now the 8-9 driver works fine for 10.3 and 11.0, but unfortunately it is
incompatible with 11.1. The ATI issues prevent me, and all others affected,
from being able to move to 11.1. Hopefully, if Novell will start now to address
some of these driver issues with ATI, then by 11.2 release they have a good
chance of ironed out.
With a desktop, you can always rip the ATI card out and replace it. With a
laptop ... you are kind-of stuck.
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Hi,
As texlive was updated vom 2007 to 2008 in factory, it also grew from
159MB to 266MB and that made the milestone2 DVDs exceed the limits you
can burn on DVD.
I made a quick hack and removed qt4 documentation, which is also impressive
90MB. Werner says that texlive upstream doesn't see the problem and doesn't
provide a good way to split (it's own distribution is a DVD or 2 CDs). And
there is our problem: With every release it eats more and more of the openSUSE
DVDs and I'm afraid it exceeded a sane limit - as it's far from mainstream
I would remove it.
I know how many use texlive and I don't talk about dropping it out of the
distribution, but I can't hold it on DVD unless I drop several other packages.
To give you an impression let me give you a list of packages on build112 DVD
sorted by size:
266M noarch/texlive-2008-5.1.noarch.rpm
83M noarch/libqt4-devel-doc-data-4.5.1-1.1.noarch.rpm
72M noarch/kernel-source-2.6.30-4.1.noarch.rpm
32M x86_64/koffice-illustration-1.6.3-214.26.x86_64.rpm
27M x86_64/java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b16-1.2.x86_64.rpm
26M noarch/opensuse-manual_de-11.1-2.21.noarch.rpm
25M x86_64/kdebase3-3.5.10-22.12.x86_64.rpm
25M noarch/efont-unicode-0.4.2-215.37.noarch.rpm
25M noarch/OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.78.noarch.rpm
24M noarch/xorg-x11-fonts-7.4-1.79.noarch.rpm
23M x86_64/kdebase4-workspace-4.2.85-1.3.x86_64.rpm
22M noarch/CID-keyed-fonts-MOE-20021114-339.17.noarch.rpm
21M noarch/opensuse-manual_en-11.1-29.17.noarch.rpm
20M x86_64/frozen-bubble-2.2.0rc1-1.46.x86_64.rpm
20M noarch/xemacs-packages-20070427-155.76.noarch.rpm
19M noarch/OpenOffice_org-icon-themes-3.1.0.2-1.1.noarch.rpm
19M x86_64/samba-client-3.3.4-1.1.x86_64.rpm
18M noarch/OpenOffice_org-help-ja-3.1.0.2-1.1.noarch.rpm
18M noarch/kde4-l10n-sv-doc-4.2.85-1.1.noarch.rpm
I now removed the second largest package so it fits for the moment, but I
don't feel that's justified. But perhaps I'm wrong. So let's discuss what
the DVDs should be optimized for.
Greetings, Stephan
P.S. If you want to discuss packages that are currently not on DVD and should
be there, feel free to do so if you start your post with "XX should go" as
long as XX is part of the above list.
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Hi folks.
I installed Ubuntu 9.04 and i'm unpleasantly surprised, how faster is
than openSUSE 11.1.
In according to minuses from Brainstorming,
http://en.opensuse.org/BrainStorming_Prague#Slow.2Funstable_applicationshttp://en.opensuse.org/BrainStorming_Prague#Low-level_system_performance
and especially article
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/12/16/comments-on-phoronix-benchmarking-op…
by Andreas Jaeger,
i want to ask, whether is any plan to speed up openSUSE 11.2? Do you
realize that you should really do something with prerformance?
For example, i noticed that i have to wait a longer when i launch
gnome suse menu, control center, Firefox..., but the most problem is
that, Gnome sometimes lags after using Firefox (probably caused by
Intel graphics driver).
I don't have theses issues in Ubuntu. And in the global, Ubuntu works
faster on my hardware(HP NX 6110) in this state (although i disabled
barriers for ext3) and it's not pleasure for me.
So, how is it with the performance for openSUSE 11.2? Any news, any
progress? Can i expect better performance?
Thanks
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Just noticed that my installation of milestone 1 seems to have left out
VNC server - and trying to install it fails with "nothing provides
xorg-x11-Xvnc needed by tightvnc..."
Is this a quirk of my installation (on a dual-core Celeron / Asus P5G-MX
system, generally using defaults) or does anyone else see it? Nothing
relevant on Bugzilla that I can find.
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Hey Group;
Just recently the screen saver is not waking up.. I have turned off any
feature dealing with power savings. The only way to turn the screen
back on is to shut off the monitor and turn it back on.
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Hi all.
I want to file a bug related to Milestone2, but it's missing in
Bugzilla as the product version in drop-down menu. Could you please
add it?
Thanks.
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Hey Group;
U hope this is the correct list to ask!
I get a message "Stapio no process killed" every time I boot up SuSE 11.2, even before I login
It must be coming from a /etc/init.d/file script. Does anyone see this error.
It is not a kernel error problem. It just pops up.
Also "startproc" states "-p does not work in force mode" . That error message shows up at boot up also.
It seems it occurs changing to runlevel and after the boot scripts just before login.
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