May 2012 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] collation bug in locales using UTF-8 (cur= a<A<b<B<z<Z; should be A<B<C<Z<a<b<c<z)
by Linda Walsh 28 May '12

28 May '12

It seems that Open SuSE suffers from this bug as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/120687 Somewhere along the line, due to people paying attention to POSIX, they though they could change collation orders for any locality outside of the 'C' locality to anything they wanted. What they didn't realize is that Unicode also specifies a correlation order that is roughly (maybe exactly in the C range), equivalent to the C range. While localized character sets iso-8859-xx... and others might have different collating orders, for those who have UTF-8 as the default encoding, or more so, set encodings to lang_CO.UTF-8, the character set collation order should take precedence -- in __AT LEAST__, character ranges as used in Regex's (as those are 'pure characters and no words are involved -- then only the ordering of the character set should be used). Maybe this needs to be fixed in the gnu sorting functions? Unicode sources are quoted with links in the above bug... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: thinking about yast2 (slowness)
by Carlos E. R. 27 May '12

27 May '12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-27 23:15, Marguerite Su wrote: > > 在 2012-5-28 上午3:45，"Carlos E. R." < <>>写道： >> 2. China only have ipv6 in its edu local-network. > > Er... maybe, try editing "/root/.curlrc" and put the single line: > > --ipv6 > >> sorry. I didnt make myself clear. > >> isp doesnt provide ipv6 access... > >> so it cant be ipv6 problem...and I cant use ipv6.... Ok, then put "--ipv4". - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/Co8YACgkQIvFNjefEBxqQlgCfdtpDjeb6hZDX5oa8y+GGP+Oc klkAn0A8SUR3sDrxaRcA6Mdbz4oIObIF =5e+s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] thinking about yast2 (slowness)
by Marguerite Su 27 May '12

27 May '12

Hi, all, users complained to me many times about yast2's slowness on forums.o.o, twitter or gtalk groups. (of course in a form of flame war like apt vs. yast, yum vs. yast...I don't want to say much about that.) I didn't believe it, until today I broke my zypp cache, and had to retrieve them all...and I found many ugly things. let me be clear one by one. 1. yast-ncurses. you have to use `LANG=en zypper [option]` if you set your locale to non-En environment. or texts will be displayed as unreadable ??????. see screenshot: http://paste.opensuse.org/40229867 2. if you broke your zypp cache, yast-ncurses will always tell you that you have insufficient permissions so can only see part of its modules, even you logged in with root. (maybe not producible) 3. yast have to download every local package descrs, no matter whether you need it or not. I think just download packages.en.gz and packages.your_locale.gz will be enough. (nowadays it downloads all of them...du, kr, zh_TW, pl, blabla...) and it's the cause of its slowness.. it took me 40 minutes to refresh it all...even with local mirrors on. I have a 4MB download speed, but can only download at a speed of < 10KB/s. I knew it's slow, but I don't know it's that slow... the standard procedure to use yast is: a. launch b. min it and do something else c. after half an hour, operate, min it again d. wait until it closes itself. I think we really need to improve it. like: (1) try merge package descrs among repositories. most of same packages' descrs among repos are the same. we don't need to download it several times. (2) make a daemon to download them in background when system starts. (3) give user options to not download and display descrs/summaries, but to find and install only using package names. just some ideas in thin air....I don't how to implement it. PS: I think we should remove the "OSS might be slow" string from translations and yast itself. a warning is something you can avoid and don't do it. but repositories? you have to enable it not matter how many warnings it warns, if you want to do things using it. but are those things dangerous or risky? no. come on, it's our own OSS repo. it's just slow. and can you avoid that slow? no... so it sounds to warn users something they can't change. useless and feels forcibly. it does us more harms than benefits if you think it deeper. we give our users a bad first impression that it is slow, so it has to be fast like a flash to change their such minds. Regards Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] OSOC: plymouth for kiwi
by Stephan Kulow 27 May '12

27 May '12

Hi, I just started a little project: the openSUSE Spring of Code. It has many advantages over similiar projects, most prominently it's all about honor and you don't have to care how to pay taxes on money. And my first task to offer to the first promising candidate: plymouth integration into kiwi (and installation-images). plymouth is integrated into mkinitrd by now, but we have 2 other initrds that are worthy: one is most likely easy: installation-images builds a pretty hard coded list of files and packages to include and plymouth needs to replace bootchart in there. Very similiar work to mkinitrd. kiwi is a bit harder as it allows custom branding (e.g. for studio integration) and as such builds bootsplash branding itself depending on the branding, so plymouth integration is a bit more work. Whoever picks the task: make sure to talk to snwint@ and ms(a)suse.com Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Cinnamon > Factory
by Nelson Marques 26 May '12

26 May '12

I've submitted Cinnamon to Factory since the previous blockers are now fixed except for the typelib(Meta-3.0), which I followed Vincents advice and filtered out in the provides post-stream. Further potential options like adding Cinnamon to YaST, advertising as a feature or whatever I leave that to the community; regading this packages (cinnamon and muffin) I'll do only bug triage, issue fixes and keep it in good shape. -- Nelson Marques -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Adjust openqa scripts to process ok prompts
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 26 May '12

26 May '12

Hello, Adjust openqa scripts to process ok prompts. Examples: http://openqa.opensuse.org/viewimg/openqa/testresults/openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-B… http://openqa.opensuse.org/viewimg/openqa/testresults/openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-B… Sourced from: http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0378-11.2dup Thanls Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Security or Convenience? Defining a better policy
by "Stefan Brüns" 24 May '12

24 May '12

Am 05/22/12, schrieb Claudio Freire <klaussfreire(a)gmail.com>: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Bryen M Yunashko <suserocks(a)bryen.com> wrote: > >> eg: I would like YaST2 never ask me root password to install software, > >> since it's my laptop and no one else can use it...but it'll surely be > >> banned in a security expert's eyes, and I don't know how to adjust it > >> for myself > >> > > I agree that some basic functionalities shouldn't require passwords. > > Obvious are adding wifi networks or printer connections. However, I > > still greatly appreciate requiring a password even on my own machine for > > software installations. If anything, it becomes a gentle reminder to me > > that I must exercise my abilities with caution. > > But that's the point: "require passwords" doesn't mean "require root password". > > As sudo asks *your* password, those tools that handle wifi, printers > and such should also ask the user's password, and check whether the > user has permission to administer wifi, printers, and such. > > We have sudo. Can't sudo be used for this? I imagine not because it's > a dbus issue. But then, dbus should be extended to support sudo-like > handling of permissions. > > Also, installing software from configured repos is not the same, > security-wise, to installing software from source or from untrusted > repos. Thats what polkit is for. You can give permissions on a fine granular level (and recently, the possibility to define permissions hierarchically has been added), and the default for the "admin" privilege level can be changed to the wheel group with a one-liner. Unfortunately, there is no nice interface to change permissions, last time I checked the KDE policy configurator it did not work as expected. Regards, Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: Proposal to replace default scim/ibus input methods in ISOs with alternatives.
by Ma Xiaojun 24 May '12

24 May '12

Hi, all. Thank you for your efforts to provide better CJK input experience openSUSE. But I have questions about the procedure. Firstly, the user survey is biased. It explicitly reflects the survey maker's personal opinion about IMs/IMFs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDdoMmU2emxaMXNxc0VfNT… (It is available in both Chinese and English.) Let me point out ibus supporters' data regarding which IMF is more popular. http://www.ohloh.net/p/fcitx http://www.ohloh.net/p/ibus http://www.ohloh.net/p/scim It's 237(ibus) VS 11(fcitx) VS 14(SCIM) when I write this mail. ( I don't think this is very fair since fcitx's homepage forgot to put a "I USE IT" button until recently. And I haven't found such button in SCIM's homepage.) Secondly, focusing on maintainers' status rather than concrete technical problems. Both SCIM and ibus released new version recently. http://www.scim-im.org/ http://code.google.com/p/ibus/ In my humble opinion, they are not dead in any sense. I don't know why someone is talking about gossips of maintainers in this kind of formal place. On the other hand, some FOSS projects receive no maintenance for years. But they are still the work-horse in our systems. I just reviewed many ibus issues on Google Code and found many features missing in ibus. http://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/list And I noted that fcitx is going to have unparalleled features soon. https://www.csslayer.info/wordpress/ So I can understand why people is pushing fcitx as default for at least zh_CN. But I object any dropping if keeping SCIM and/or ibus do not cause extra problems on openSUSE side. Since both projects are still active, there must be people want to use them. Best Regards, Ma Xiaojun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Nmap v6
by James Knott 24 May '12

24 May '12

Any idea on when nmap 6 will be available on openSUSE? http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/new-nmap-probes-ipv6-networks/145467?sub=… tnx jk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Factory live .iso build
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 23 May '12

23 May '12

Hello, Some questions: - Why are builds not at the same level and build date? [1] - Can the KDE-LiveCD-x86_64 be fixed so its at the same level and date as the NET iso build ? - Which project builds the KDE-LiveCD-x86_64 iso's ? - Have you a link to it please ? Thanks Glenn [1]Sourced from http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/factory/iso/ openSUSE-KDE-LiveCD-x86_64-Build0358-Media.iso 04-May-2012 23:39 650M openSUSE-NET-x86_64-Build0369-Media.iso 11-May-2012 20:30 225M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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