July 2010 - openSUSE Wiki - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[Fwd: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Bugzilla is missing in the wiki?]
by DenverD 21 Jul '10

21 Jul '10

-------- Original Message -------- From: - Wed Jul 21 10:53:30 2010 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Message-ID: <4C46B588.9020401(a)texan.dk> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:53:28 +0200 From: DenverD <DenverD(a)texan.dk> Reply-To: DenverD(a)texan.dk Organization: Yellow Rose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehle <mehle(a)novell.com> Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Bugzilla is missing in the wiki? References: <4C4404D302000044000808A6(a)sinclair.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <4C4404D302000044000808A6(a)sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Ehle wrote: > There is another thread from a few days ago with the subject > "Search on the Wiki?". On this thread, I have tried opening a > discussion about implementing a solution for this problem. So far, > I have heard complaints all over the list about the default wiki > search, but I have not seen any discussion on the thread that is > proposing a solution. > > For those of you who don't like the current search, please start > having some discussion about what can be done about it. We have a > couple of options, but for me to take the amount of time needed to > explore, recommend, and implement something, Novell will need to > sign off on it. I'm going to try to grease the wheels (I also > don't care for the default search), but it would also be good to > show that it is more than just me who is interested in a particular > solution. So please do more than complain and contribute to the > discussion about getting a solution :P potential solution: i go to sites all over the web with a search blank which hooks directly to Google and automatically searches THAT site...seems pretty simple to me.. i've now recommended that potential solution several times without hearing why it was rejected (or even considered).. DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

[opensuse-wiki] New template
by Tim Mohlmann 21 Jul '10

21 Jul '10

Henne and the rest of the gang, This is what I meant on IRC earlier today. I couldn't stop working on it, so I completed it. I created a template: http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Screenshot_step You need to reed the Doc to understand it. Basicly it's a table line, without the table, allowing to create more fancy screenshot pages, without the screenshots filling the whole page. For each step/instruction this template can be inserted. It makes the page more attractive for the eye and easier to read. It is not mandatory to define a image for each step, when none is specified a nice blank area is presented. The images are clickable and direct to the actual image, so not to the File:page. I implemented the Template on http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_CD_installation_for_11.3 Compare it with http://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Live_CD_installation_for_11.1 and tell me which one you like the most ;) If you guys like this style for screenshot pages, maybe we can create a boilerplate using this template. The page itself (http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_CD_installation_for_11.3) still needs some attention: I don't have screenshots for step 6 and 7, my computer crashed two times in attempts to get screenshots in this stage. In the bottom there's a chapter ==Note on installation to large partitions== which is kinda fuzzie, so it needs attention. My eyes are tired now and I'm going to bed! Hope you enjoy it, Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

3 3

Re: [opensuse-wiki] Vandalism and new users
by pistazienfresser 20 Jul '10

20 Jul '10

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:34:52 +0200 > Von: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)novell.com> > An: pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser(a)gmx.de> > CC: "Rajko M." <rmatov101(a)charter.net>, Thomas Schmidt <tom(a)opensuse.org>, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org>, javier(a)opensuse.org, m.moeller(a)opensuse.org, Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer(a)gmail.com>, petr.uzel(a)suse.cz, spyhawk(a)opensuse.org, "Rémy Marquis" <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com>, Shayon Mukherjee <sj(a)opensuse.org>, MJPSeidler(a)gmail.com, Martin Seidler <Martin.Seidler(a)web.de> > Betreff: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Vandalism and new users > On Tuesday 20 July 2010 13:05:26 pistazienfresser wrote: > > > http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=544&diff=17698&old… > > http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=17351 > > > > Hello Andreas, Rajko, Thomas/Tom, Hendrik/Henne, Javier, Marcus, Tim, > > Petr, Rémy, Shayon and all other wiki-admins, > > > > is there any plan to secure the group of users/to limit the creation of > > new users and of dealing with vandalism in general? > > > > I think it is possible to do a lot less obvious and more dangerous > > spamming/malicious things than the examples above. > > > > Maybe next think will be an external link to a malware containing page > > and maybe next time an editor/admin/... will not look at the content of > > a link/will not control the link before marking as > > 'patrolled [corr.] > >'/'sighted'/'quality'. > > Compare: > > > http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/4412… > > > > I do not want that on a list (that will be published) - not in all cases > > I rate the openness of bug reports so hight ;-). It was only my opinion. > > I cannot speak about the best overall plan for the wiki but let me just > state > that Iwecan ask our IS&T guys to block the accounts used in case of such > vandalisms - Henne, I can give you details on what to do to get it done, A page for normal users on that or where and how to deal with vandalism may be fine? > > Btw. shouldn't we write protect the "Main Page"? I think it is 'protected' with 'quality maintenance' in the way that no without higher permissions as a normal user (I think only admins and a group with members that are already admins, too) can make a edit that is shown as default by not users - I may sometimes a bit more cautious that others but even I think that is enough. > > Btw. I suggest to discuss this publically on the mailing list, > > Andreas Done, as there were no objections in the time since... Greetings pistazienfresser [...] -- GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

3 3

[opensuse-wiki] some broken links out of the installation process
by Michael Loeffler 20 Jul '10

20 Jul '10

Moin, on behalf of gnooki I send this to the list: - en.opensuse.org/How_to_Participate ist written on installation process and is in the default bookmarks but not avialable -http://i18n.opensuse.org is also written on the installatione process I think that page is long time never touched - http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation is int the bookmarks but not available thanks Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex

1 0

[opensuse-wiki] Bugzilla is missing in the wiki?
by pistazienfresser 20 Jul '10

20 Jul '10

Hello wiki-list! A) The problem: *There seems to be no article about Bugzilla in the wiki* Maybe someone could help the consumer a bit if she/he needs help from the wiki with bugzilla about the issues: 1) a) to know what bugzilla is - the description and the definition (the wiki helping the consumer to get basic knowledge about a essential part of the openSUSE project - in my opinion the lowest level, according to the telos/meaning of namespaces, namespace definitons and namespace rules: so namespace 0=main or at least namespace 102 = portal) b) to know if someone else has the same problem (troubleshooting/support - I think that would be the most wanted but according to the words of the definition a article only on this issue would be member of namespace SDB) 2) a) wants the developers to tell about a problem that he has so that the developers can help him (article about to get help by by telling the helpers about the problem - namespace SDB) b) wants to help the developers to improve the distribution by telling them about a problem hat she/he had (article about helping the helpers by telling the helpers about the problem - namespace openSUSE) c) wants other users to tell about a workaround/solution he had figured out (the wiki helping to help the potential helper to tell the users/consumer about a possible resolution - namespace openSUSE) B) The plot/the detailed description: The last night I saw a edit according to a problem that prevents users to make live usb devices form DVD images and therefor to install a DVD image on a netbook (which by definition has no DVD or CD drive): This morning I wanted to help the users that had reported that problem in the forums (see: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/information-new-users/unreviewed-how-faq… http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/install-boot-login/442070-… and on the wiki by telling him how to escalate that a bit so that in the future the potential users of openSUSE on a netbook do not give up just because they are not able to install a DVD image on a netbook (what would be a bit funny after making the netbook support a highlight of the new version open 11.3 and the mobile things a strategic/tactic target of openSUSE - see the new openSUSE strategy). I thought it would be an easy thing to give them the according article about bugzilla in the wiki (a "what is" including the purpose of bugzilla and may be with a little "how to use" or at least a link to a article about the detailed "how to use"). I gave "bugzilla" in the normal internal search engine of the wiki - with me been logged in and so (differing to the default settings) with the search in namespace SDB = ns102 also enabled so I would get with will (as I understood) the openSUSE-wiki's seach engine make 0) would lead to an article with name/tile "bugzilla" if such would exist (and if not go to 1) and 2) which may be equal to http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=20&offset=0&ns0… ) 1) first get articles displayed with with "bugzilla" in the name/tile and 1) will be containing (without a namespace related) order 1.1) articles in the namespace main (ns0) 1.2) articles in the namespace SDB (ns100) 1.2) articles in the namespace Portal (ns102) 2) second get articles displayed with with "bugzilla" in the body/text and 2) will be containing (a namespace related) order 2.1) articles in the namespace main (ns0) 2.2) articles in the namespace SDB (ns100) 2.2) articles in the namespace Portal (ns102) According to the google-like output/display of the output of titles and text around the fitting words in the text of the search results the best fitting but last displayed article of 23 search results was: http://en.opensuse.org/BG-Submitting_Bug_Reports which sees to contain something about the topic 2) but cause of my not existing knowledge of/in that language (my guess: Bulgarian with Cyrillic letters - ISO 639-1 bg) I can understand only the links and the title of that article in English. C) The solution?: Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

6 7

[opensuse-wiki] Re: WebYaST on the Wiki
by Henne Vogelsang 20 Jul '10

20 Jul '10

Hey Martin, On 19.07.2010 13:58, Martin Vidner wrote: > on Tuesday you said you were transferring the content to > http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:YaST . Do you plan to do more there > or can we take over now? By all means that was not meant to stop you from doing anything. I also said that you are welcome to help :) > Now when I look at > http://old-en.opensuse.org/Category:YaST and > http://old-en.opensuse.org/Category:WebYaST , > where should we put the content to ensure that it is not swept away > by a well-meant reorganization? Where it belongs. Where what belongs is documented in detail on http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki I also blogged about the changes several times on news.o.o http://news.opensuse.org/category/wiki-2/ > I guess that using the oS wiki for project development documents is > somewhat unusual, perhaps we should use some other place? Project development documents (and collaborative editing of them) is one of the three things we do with the openSUSE wiki! The only thing that changed from the old wiki in that respect is that it's organized and split from the the end-user product presentation and documentation. In short: Product presentation - Main namespace (all pages without prefix) Problem solutions - Support namespace (SDB: prefix) Project documents - Project namespace (openSUSE: prefix) So you just fill in all your pages into the right namespace and then you use the wiki tools Portal, Categories and Navbars to connect them again. If you need any help with that let us know :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

Re: [opensuse-wiki] Transferring images
by Matthew Ehle 19 Jul '10

19 Jul '10

Tim, I have added the Indexes directive to files.opensuse.org. You should be able to go in there and file the uploaded files for all the wikis. More importantly, you can now get all the files together with a single wget command if that will help you out in your quest. Something like the following should work: wget -r -np -nd http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/old-en/ This will download every file that has been uploaded to the old-en wiki and place it under a single directory. I believe all the filenames should be different, and I believe it is set to no-clobber by default, so this should be a safe command to run. You may also want to consider adding a little wait time between requests (with a -w), so that you don't destroy your bandwidth on this. Also, if the idea was for multiple people to be able to do something like this, I can even do something like create a temporary location on files.o.o with all the old-en files in one directory. -Matt >>> "Matthew Ehle" 07/15/10 12:30 AM >>> >Tim, > >How are you determining which files you want to get? If it makes life easier for you, I can just allow index view on >files.opensuse.org, which I should probably do anyway. With that, you can download all the files on old-en.opensuse.org >into one directory with a single wget command. That would probably make it a lot easier for you to pick and choose the >files you need. >I will look into getting one of these upload extensions installed as soon as I get a handle on this session error bug that is >affecting imports in the first place. Since it is possible, however unlikely, that one of the new extensions that we installed is >related to the problem, I am wary of installing more extensions until we at least know what is going on. > >In any case, I'm going to go ahead and set index views on files.o.o before I go to bed and forget all about it. > >-Matt >>> Christian Boltz 07/14/10 4:35 PM >>> >Hello, > >on Mittwoch, 14. Juli 2010, Tim Mohlmann wrote: >> I'm still try to work out a script for downloading multiple images at >> once, to overcome the sub-directory problem. Tried earlier tips form >> Rajko and Cristian, but it's not working as it should (wget is >> following a little bit to much). > >to get the directory structure: > >echo 'Image:foo.jpg' | sed 's/^Image://' | md5sum - | sed 's§^$.$$.$.*§\1/\1\2§' > > >Script to download several images (not really tested, but should work): > >grep ".." imglist.txt | while read file ; do >img=$(echo $file | sed 's/^Image://') >imgpath=$(echo "$img" | md5sum - | sed 's§^$.$$.$.*§\1/\1\2§') >wget "http://old-en.opensuse.org/images/$imgpath/$img" >done > >This will download all files listed in imglist.txt with wget. >imglist could look like that: > >Image:Foo.jpg >Bar.jpg <---- Image: is not required (will be cut away anyway) >Image:Baz.jpg > >I assume you know what you are writing into imglist.txt - the script >does not have a real protection against funny filenames etc. >Most important: you have to use _ instead of spaces (or add another sed ;-) > > >If you prefer to use commandline parameters instead of a file with the >filelist, replace the first line with >for file in "$@" ; do > > >Regards, > >Christian Boltz > >PS: In case you wonder: the "grep .." is a trick to skip empty lines ;-)

3 9

Re: [opensuse-wiki] Bugzilla is missing in the wiki?
by Matthew Ehle 19 Jul '10

19 Jul '10

There is another thread from a few days ago with the subject "Search on the Wiki?". On this thread, I have tried opening a discussion about implementing a solution for this problem. So far, I have heard complaints all over the list about the default wiki search, but I have not seen any discussion on the thread that is proposing a solution. For those of you who don't like the current search, please start having some discussion about what can be done about it. We have a couple of options, but for me to take the amount of time needed to explore, recommend, and implement something, Novell will need to sign off on it. I'm going to try to grease the wheels (I also don't care for the default search), but it would also be good to show that it is more than just me who is interested in a particular solution. So please do more than complain and contribute to the discussion about getting a solution :P >>> Juergen Weigert 07/19/10 5:33 AM >>> On Jul 17, 10 17:19:32 -0500, Rajko M. wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2010 15:50:39 Carlos E. R. wrote: > > On 2010-07-17 22:22, Tim Mohlmann wrote: > > >> But it happens that in the forums we are suggesting to people that > > >> already have found a bug to report it in bugzilla right away... so this > > >> people will put "bugzilla" in the search box and not find it. > > >> > > >> Which is pistazienfresser point, I understand. > > > Did you already try it just before sending the Message? ;) > > I did try before sending my first message, but not the second one. > > > Try to type Bugzilla in search, and you'll see it's fixed. Thanks to > > > Rajko that is. > > So it is. He didn't say anything. Thanks, Rajko :-) > You are welcome :) I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect. I also found that the wiki search sucks in another unexpected way: (maybe related to what Rajko described below) A user who types 'bug report' in the search box, gets nothing. It appears that page title matches are 'exact matches', not substring matches. They are even case sensitive, so the uppercase B in 'Report a Bug' matters. cheers, JW- > Problem is that we have something like bug in advanced search that "hides" > page that exist right on the top of search window, instead to report it below > search field. Whole group "Page title matches" is sometimes missing. > > The old wiki has that right, and it is the same MediaWiki version as the new > wiki, so it is something about settings or extensions that are installed in a > new wiki. > > I'm trying to find configuration files before I file bug report on that, so > that system admins have easier job to fix, but I lost the link :( > > -- > Regards, > Rajko > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org > -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ | jw(a)suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "You are trying to use packages from project 'openSUSE:11.2'. Note that malicious packages can compromise your system." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

3 2

[opensuse-wiki] Articles That Need Review [[Special:OldReviewedPage]]
by pistazienfresser 18 Jul '10

18 Jul '10

Dear list, dear wiki-admins! For your interest: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:OldReviewedPages "[...] (22 days) [...]" Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

1 1

[opensuse-wiki] Official docs openSUSE 11.3
by Tim Mohlmann 17 Jul '10

17 Jul '10

Hello Doc list, For the wiki, I would like to know when will the official novell docs be published? As for every version we create a link from the wiki to this original docs. At this moment I can't find anything on http://www.novell.com/documentation. Greetings, Tim Mohlmann (wiki team) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0