openSUSE Wiki March 2007

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[opensuse-wiki] Web design consolidation - please comment
by Frank Sundermeyer 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Hi, at the moment we have got four main openSUSE webserver http://<LANG>.opensuse.org/ (Wikis) http://build.opensuse.org/ (Build Service) http://download.opensuse.org/ (Download Distribution) http://software.opensuse.org/ (Repositories) and http://www.opensuse.org/ as a splash screen for the wikis. Unfortunately the web servers have no common design (Wikis, Build Service) or no design at all ;-) (Download, Repositories). We would like to harmonize the design of all these web servers, so it is always very clear that one is surfing on an openSUSE page - regardless of what server is visited. We would also like to make http://www.opensuse.org/ the single entry point for all openSUSE web servers, not only for the Wiki. A web design that can be used on all openSUSE servers has to be very flexible. Our designer Robert Lihm has made a proposal that we would like to discuss with you: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/ This directory contains two mockups (Wiki home page, Wiki content page) and a color palette. We chose the wiki as a base because this is the web server you are probably most familiar with. Nevertheless, this is no final proposal how the wiki should look like in the future (this will be subject of further discussions), but rather a presentation of the concept in a familiar context. So, for now, we would like to discuss the overall concept and not the context or whether the wiki links should be on top or at the bottom of the page ;-)). The proposal basically only consists of different boxes, being the building blocks in a construction set. Such a concept offers us the flexibility we need to use it for all openSUSE servers (this is especially true for the Build Service). So, please tell us whether you like it or not, whether you have got suggestions for improvement, or ... . Thanks Frank -- Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nürnberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane (Dogbert) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] HOWTOs
by Martin Schlander 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hey Just writing to let you know that I went through all pages on the wiki and added all howtos to http://en.opensuse.org/HOWTOs in case someone else had the same idea, they'd be wasting their time. Of course I might have missed a couple, but I was pretty thorough. So if you're looking for a HOWTO - please go to http://en.opensuse.org/HOWTOs - before using google even ;-) Actually there's a lot of nice documentation on the wiki it turns out, and now I hope there's a chance people can find it, which should also improve the odds of it being maintained and improved - and _not_ dublicated. We'll see what happens ;-) Next step on my personal cleanup vendetta: Merge dublicate pages, and mark obsolete pages for deletion. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Operation cleanup
by Martin Schlander 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

Hi all I'm trying to help clean up the wiki a bit. One of the problems is dublicate pages. I counted three ndiswrapper pages: en.opensuse.org/Ndiswrapper en.opensuse.org/Wireless_Network_Card_Installation en.opensuse.org/Ndiswrapper_howto I've joined the two first into Ndiswrapper. And I suggest the two latter are deleted by an admin. I have fixed the links. Only Portal and the user pages still link there. Also please delete: en.opensuse.org/Wireless_network_card I initiated this page myself, but it's a dublicate of http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/Network_Adapters_(Wireless). I've fixed links to it, so noone will miss it. This page is also pretty useless: http://en.opensuse.org/WiFi_HOWTO I've changed the links so only Portal and the user link to it and I couldn't find the link in: http://en.opensuse.org/User_Documentation_Full_Index or I would have changed that too. On http://en.opensuse.org/Hardware we have external links to Stefan Dirsch's famous howtos _and_ we have links to wiki-howtos also. If there are no legal problems with linking to the ATi and Nvidia kernel blobs maybe we could ask sndirsch to maintain his howtos on the wiki in the future? .. and maybe just put links on the previous location - since many people of course link there from all kinds of places. That's it for now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Translation question (RS)
by Nenad Stojnic 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

Hi. I need help for create openSUSE wiki page for us from Republic of Srpska. I am tranlsating all page from checklist but I need example how trnaslating look for some other language. Please if anybody have archive (*.tar.gz) file with all translated page and sidebar translating send me on mail: neon at galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu Thx. so much. Summary: -------------------------------------- language: Republic od Srpska (RS) language code: sr, scc/srp, srp wiki: rs.opensuse.org my name: neon e-mail: neon at galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu -------------------------------------- ############################################### Translation plan for wiki: ############################################### Welcome_to_openSUSE.org (until 15.03.2007 23:59:59 - D O N E) Download (until 20.03.2007 23:59:59 - coming soon) Documentation (until 28.03.2007 23:59:59) SDB (until 04.04.2007 23:59:59) How to Participate (until 08.04.2007 23:59:59) Project overview (until 12.04.2007 23:59:59) Projects (until 16.04.2007 23:59:59) Roadmap (until 20.04.2007 23:59:59) Frequently Asked Questions (until 24.04.2007 23:59:59) Contact (until 28.04.2007 23:59:59 - D O N E) ################################################# --- neon University of Electrical Engeenering Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki cleanup: Finding Information
by Rajko M. 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

Why this article? I'm trying to isolate topics and clarify terms, add what is missing in Franks post, as it might be helpful to get more ideas how to get some working model that can be improved later. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1. Finding information > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > What we are facing here is IMHO a general (Media)Wiki problem. MediaWiki > is developed for an encyclopedia. Users coming to wikipedia usually > want to know something about a very specific topic. They type in an > appropriate keyword and end up with the _one_ article containing the > information they are searching for. There is simply no need for a > sophisticated navigation. > > People coming to openSUSE.org IMHO have got more general interest, such > as finding information about the installation or about how to set up > WLAN. To satisfy these customers, structure and navigation is needed. The same idea as here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Flat_namespace Note: We use subpages very often because automatic generated link to the root article. I'm not sure that is good idea, and I was considering to move Portal to something like: http://en.opensuse.org/Download which gives overview of all articles that belong to group on every visited page. That will change somewhat with Portal namespace. > Generally the focus of a wiki is on collaboration and content and not on > structure and navigation. Therefore organizing content on a wiki is a > very challenging task. > > So what tools does the wiki offer to organize stuff: > > - Namespaces > - Categories > - Portal pages - index of subtopics like on disambiguation pages, - group of articles tied with menu, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Download or http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE#MiniSUSE%20Index. ... > Namespaces: > * Pro > - search can be limited to namespace > - namespaces can only be added by sysops, therefore the number of > namespaces will not constantly grow > - Standard Wiki tool > * Contra > - Pages need to be moved from the general namespace to a specific one > Foo -> Bar:Foo > - namespaces can only be added by sysops ;) > - default namespaces are almost useless for average openSUSE user > (Talk, Election, MediaWiki,...) > - a document can only belong to one namespace It can be linked from any using redirects, if it is necessary. I didn't checked is redirect listed in: - search, - generated listings like http://en.opensuse.org/ Special:Allpageas References to namespace: General: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namespace Mediawiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace Computing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namespace_%28programming%29 We are missing articles like: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Namespaces that will be here: http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Namespaces http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE:Namespaces > Categories: > * Pro > - everybody can invent new categories > - it's easy to assign a document to a category > - a document can belong to several categories > - standard Wiki tool > * Contra > - search cannot be limited to categories > - since everybody can invent new categories, their number is > constantly growing - it is tedious task to keep them current, - wiki editors have to agree on standard namespace schema or whole effort is neverending chain of corrections, > Portal pages: > * Pro > - everybody can invent new portal pages > - can target different audiences > - no layout / content restrictions > * Contra > - since everybody can invent new portal pages, their number is > constantly growing > - it's difficult to get an overview of all portal pages > > ==> Conclusions / Action Items: > > - discuss creating of new Namespaces > - create a Namespace for portal pages Besides Portal the major patterns names can be used as source of names that we need: GNOME KDE X11 Server Development etc. The question is for the first 3 is that what we want, to isolate them from default search, or we can come up with search engine that supports, for instance: KDE:KMail if user asked for "kmail". How that will fit in schema where we should have: Mail - Servers Mail - Clients - Kmail Mail - Clients - Gmail > - clean up categories > - continue working on the portal pages Before we touch both we have to agree on standard namespace schema. How to organize branches in the naming tree? Mail - Server Mail - Client or Server - Mail Client - Mail What would be the top of this tree: Applications Software or something else. It will the best to have both with crosslinks, but than we need the tree to see where we have to put crosslinks? The next question is where to collaborate on naming? Is it good and would be that enough to use: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Namespace_Development for instance, or we need another server where, all that have interest in, can experiment with? I guess that it should be replica of the active one. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Maintenance: links in openSUSE namespace
by Rajko M. 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

The bottom line on regular pages: Link: About openSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:About redirected to http://en.opensuse.org/Project_overview Link: Disclaimers http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:General_disclaimer redirected to http://en.opensuse.org/Terms_of_Site Both links were to empty pages that were used by wiki users for unrelated messages. I edited both to remove messages, later added redirects. Frank? -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Finnish translations
by Osku 11 Mar '07

11 Mar '07

Hello all! I would like to start translate openSUSE wiki to Finnish language. I found one Finnish page in wiki, but its terrible outdated: http://en.opensuse.org/FI-Welcome_to_openSUSE.org . I creted account to wiki with username 'Owdy' and added myself to finnish translators list. Is there anything i should know before i start? I found this for instructions http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Translation_Guide Jan-Olof 'Owdy' Eriksson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Translation - Republik of Srpska
by Nenad Stojnic 10 Mar '07

10 Mar '07

Hi. I want to initialize translation for people from Republik of Srpska. Summary: -------------------------------------- language: Republic od Srpska (RS) language code: sr, scc/srp, srp wiki: rs.opensuse.org my name: neon e-mail: neon at galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu -------------------------------------- ############################################### Translation plan for wiki: ############################################### Welcome_to_openSUSE.org (until 15.03.2007 23:59:59) Download (until 20.03.2007 23:59:59) Documentation (until 28.03.2007 23:59:59) SDB (until 04.04.2007 23:59:59) How to Participate (until 08.04.2007 23:59:59) Project overview (until 12.04.2007 23:59:59) Projects (until 16.04.2007 23:59:59) Roadmap (until 20.04.2007 23:59:59) Frequently Asked Questions (until 24.04.2007 23:59:59) Contact (until 28.04.2007 23:59:59) ################################################# --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Finnish translations
by Osku 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

>Okay, im little confused. Guide says i should translate also templates like >{{DownloadNavigation}} . But when i look for example swedish page, they arent >translated? http://sv.opensuse.org/Nedladdning Ah, now i got it, i should translate these : http://en.opensuse.org/Template:DownloadNavigation , not these {{DownloadNavigation}} , Jan-Olof Eriksson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki cleanup
by Francis Giannaros 06 Mar '07

06 Mar '07

One of the items suggested at the community meeting was the recurring complaint from a lot of people about the state of the openSUSE.org wiki. Now, I'll be the first to echo a lot of the wiki's praises, and I like a lot of the articles on there, but I keep hearing this time and time again, and it impacts on the centralisation of openSUSE documentation since people don't want to contribute to it for that reason. Several people mentioned that they'd be very willing to help with such a thing, and I have since received a couple of emails and messages from people asking about how they can get involved. I really didn't want to say to anyone "ok, just start at it", since everyone seems to be lost as it's evidently not a trivial task. So I've been trying to think about ways in which we can get a real team effort channelled into "wiki triaging", with quality control and the like. I myself haven't started doing any sort of big attempts at a clearup yet since I wanted these goals to be defined with easy ways for others to get involved. So, this brings me to a few proposals: * Suggested at the meeting: Start having a "This article has been suggested for a cleanup" notice at the top of the page, that can link to the wiki quality control information, with instructions on how to get involved. Similar to what wikipedia has. * A document with a set of tasks on what should be cleared up on the wiki. * To get a team effort going, and easy discussion on each topic, why not hang around on #opensuse-wiki, where we can always talk about each such issue. Any thoughts? Regards, -- Francis Giannaros Web: http://francis.giannaros.org IRC: apokryphos (irc.freenode.net)

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