openSUSE Wiki July 2006

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[opensuse-wiki] Organizing Wiki
by Rajko M 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

The http://en.opensuse.org/Tasks list is by now quite large . It is not always easy to find what to do and what is already done. Well defined tasks are important for success of any project. For each participant is easier to pick up some well defined job than to make guesswork from present offer what is the most important, how far article should be developed, what is the best way to structure article. This is specially true for projects in the initial phase like openSUSE wiki. It is time to reorganize Tasks page to list tasks by groups with additional information: * urgency * planned subtasks * proposed article structure * who is working on it * what is already done * ... Some smart template from our template specialists would make this easier, or maybe there is some other way like bugzilla for software, that has all this included, and tasks page should contain only link to this task tracking tool. ==Tasks== ===Wiki=== * structure chart and plans, * maintenance, * standards, * guides, * wish list, * plans, * ... ===Distribution documentation=== * Technical ** specifications, ** standards, ** manuals, ** ... * User ** HowTo, ** tips, ** FAQ, ** SDB, ** ... ===Illustrations=== * Artwork ** article illustrations, ** buttons, ** banners, ** window decoration ** ... ===Technical=== * Diagrams, * Flow charts, * Schematics, * ... ===Programming=== * ... Any ideas how to do this will help to do more with lesser work. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] [FPR] Splash screen: 3rd stage of proposals
by Frank Sundermeyer 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, first, a big "Thank you" to Rajko for making this really cool suggestion for the splash screen. Seems that we will reach an agreement very soon with this proposal. I polished the graphics a bit, added the openSUSE writing and a search box and put it all together with html and css: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html Last week's proposals are now located at http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/stage_2/ -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] [FPR] Splash screen: 2nd stage of proposals
by Frank Sundermeyer 31 Jul '06

31 Jul '06

Hi, as announced, here come the second round of splash screen proposals. Actually not much has changed in the original (I "bleached" the background a bit, added more padding between the links and the page borders and removed "select your language"). The second proposal has the language links circle around the logo. 1. http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html 2. http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash_circle.html I really like Christian's idea with the language cookie on user request and houghi's proposal that it could be changed in the wiki preferences - I will talk with darix about it. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Download page
by houghi 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

On every page, but especially the starting page of a language and probably the generic start page as well, you have a link to http://en.opensuse.org/Download Instead of being able to download, you get a lot of information that you apparently must read, making it look like SUSE (or Linux) is complicated. Only at the bottom do I see two versions. I must take the olderst version. If I don't, I will have problems. I then arrive at another page that I must read (Is SUSE really that hard?) What I would prefere is that http://en.opensuse.org/Download only holds the latest version for the standard end-user, e.g. 10.1, two or three links: How to install and additional information. The 'How to install' could be done in several steps: 1) Downloading and burning the iso 2) Booting and running 3) What when you log in for the first time (Add repo's) 4) Installing programs 5) ... The additional information could hold links to Alpha and Beta software, all information that is now given on the pages and that probably most people don't read anyway. Please comment (before I start making changes) -- houghi Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. Then do it. -- Heinlein : Time Enough For Love --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] [FPR] Home page: 2nd stage of proposals
by Frank Sundermeyer 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hi, the latest FPR (Front page redesign ;-)) ) thread is starting to get complex, so with new proposals (stage 2), I am starting a new thread. Hope it's OK for you - this way it will definitely be easier for me to assign your comments to the correct proposal(s). For this very reason, I would like to separate threads concerning the Home page and the Splash screen, too. This is about the homepage. Enough "disclaiming" ;), here are two new proposals: 1. http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html 2. http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home_jdd.html The old (aka yesterday's) proposal is now located at http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/stage_1/home.html Comments: on 1.) - changed the width of the columns - the left column is less wide now (requested by jdd - added/changed the links in "Getting openSUSE" (requested by houghi) - replaced "Other languages (box)" with "Article of the Month" (requested by jdd, darix and houghi) - added the [[openSUSE:Browse]] link to the left nav (called it "Sitemap", not sure if this is fortunate) - re-arranged the links in the topnav (requested by houghi) and added padding to the left (requested by peter) on 2.) - contains all the changes of 1.) plus jdd's proposal not to split the content related navigation between top and left nav: * moved the "Participation" links from top nav to left nav. Therefore had to create another section (Participate), otherwise the "openSUSE" link list would be too long * moved the "Personal" links into the top nav * moved the page headline and content 1.2em up ;-)) Things I did not implement, because ... - removing the Wiki Toolbox from the left nav: This was implemented when we started openSUSE way back last year. The toolbox only showed up when a user was logged in. We changed it to be visible all the time on public demand - moving interwiki links to some less prominent place I am against it because of two reasons: * when reading an article on the English openSUSE web, a user can easily see wether this article is available in his/her language or not. So a user can quickly switch the language on a certain article without having to search/scroll for the language links * almost the same goes for translators/would be translators. With the current position it's easier to see whether an article needs to be translated or not What's more - with the current labeling ("In other languages") it is very clear which purpose this set of links serves, so I do not see that it confuses the user (same goes for the Wiki toolbox) - removed the green headline boxes in the center content I really liked them (copied from wikipedia), IMHO they add a bit of eye candy to the page. Apart from that, they are only used as headlines of special topics rather than headlines of linklists. - green border around left menu Technically not possible with the current layout. We would have to give up the end-to-end green bar (as it is now on en.opensuse.org). Apart from that, it does not look good -IMHO. - changed font sizes Currently all font related styles are wikipedia (monobook) default. I'd like to stick with them. If you think different, let me know. A note on the content: I just took what I thought was reasonable. I f you would like to see other topics, different wording, etc., tell me. BTW: (A) new proposal(s) for the splash screen will follow, stay tuned ;) -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Front Page Redesign: New Proposal
by Frank Sundermeyer 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

Hi, two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together: Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html Please note that these pages have not been optimized for different browsers, yet - I have developed them on Firefox, so they are "Best viewed with Firefox" ;-) Some explanations: Splash screen: It's intended to resemble the 10.1 installation boot screen. The background image is courtesy of Jakub Steiner (thanks a lot). Home page: I picked up jdd's suggestion to simplify the navigation. The top navigation now is entirely dedicated to one topic - "Participation" in my proposal. Apart from the wiki toolbox and the language menu, the left nav now only contains one section which holds the 7-9 most important links. In moving the page's headline into the top of the page I tried to seize jdd's suggestion to make more efficient use of the space at the top of the page and to separate the logo from the left nav (to me it now looks more as being part of the top of the page rather than of being part of the left nav). The content (center) part of the page is based on Rabauke's proposal (The German Proposal). If you want to experiment with the html/css yourself, get all files from http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/ Please let me know what you think. BTW: Please note that changes within the content area only affect the home page. Changes to top nav, left nav and footer affect all wiki pages. Every link that is present on the front page (regardless where it is) also affects the wikis in other languages - it is my belief that the pages that are linked to from the homepage should be part of "must be translated" set. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] To Level Categories
by jdd 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

The wiki grows and is more and more difficult to browse. I propose we think about new kind of Top level Categories. I dropped some ideas here: http://en.opensuse.org/Top_Level_Categories I think we shoud avoid some kind of basic names (help, documentation, HOWTOs) that are too undefinites for this level These TLC should give access to a tree, with SLC (secondary Level categories). These two kinds (TLC and SLC) should only be visible in category pages themselves (not on ordinary wiki pages) your opinion? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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SPAM: [opensuse-wiki] Version MediaWiki
by Kozyrev Slava 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

Why you use old version MediaWiki? Why you do not wish to use new functions in new versions? http://www.mediawiki.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Request for Portuguese Localized Wiki
by Hugo Costelha 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Hi, I just have a question. I am now in the process of talking to others (upcoming volunteers in the portuguese wiki translation) and there are some "important" words that might be translated to a different one when the discussion finishes. One such case is the word Bug, which I translated to Erro, but we might change the translation to Defeito. My question is: is it ok if we change the translation of this word later, after the portuguese wiki is created, or does this (and the other specially requested to be translated in the e-mail) have some special importance, that their translation cannot be changed afterwards? Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Request for Portuguese Localized Wiki
by Hugo Costelha 18 Jul '06

18 Jul '06

Hi, All the pages from the basic set are translated, plus a few more. Also, some new people will soon come to help maintain and improve the number of pages translated to portuguese. Given this, I am requesting that the Portuguese (PT) wiki be created. Best regards to all, Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help(a)opensuse.org

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