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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mach64 Problem
by fpawlak＠execpc.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

On Feb 6, 7:11pm, Jonathan Markevich wrote: > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mach64 Problem > > > On 06-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > > > Looks like you have picked a tough one here :-) > > Are they all like this or is this exceptional? I've setup a few but have never had the challenge factor quite this high. > >> This is very strange, I read the video mode timings HOWTO and it seems out > >> to > >> lunch. Even the math of his own example doesn't fit his explanations. > > > > That is a tough go, am not sure of the calculations either. > > It's confusing, "Maximum Dot clock" on my card is 200.000 but that ain't > anywhere near my monitor's capability... > > >> This is in my XF86Config: > >> > >> # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync > >> Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 > >> > >> My monitor CAN handle 1024x768 @ 76Hz (it can apparenly go up to 80Hz) > > I don't like the look of the 85. The startup messages say "This is an illegal > mode according to the BIOS" and it sure seems like it. It appears that the card BIOS is reporting the wrong RAMDAC info to the server config. The is a document on Xfree's web site relating to this problem. You may want ot check it out -- looks like easier reading then the one you picked up yesterday. I had a quick glance at it this morning and it looks as if it explains the options for getting maximum performance from your card. > > > What I would try first is to make certain that I had the latest server > > version > > from XFree. I know you'd like to use the SuSE server but we can do that > > later > > once we get something stable running. What I am getting at is to use > > XF86Setup > > to do a basic server setup. > > I tried both. I had to download the XSuSE one because it wasn't on my CDs! > > > If the following appears to be simplistic please note that no insults to your > > intelligence are intended, just trying to get a basic known setup that works. > > This is offered on a take or leave basis and your millage may vary. > > Well, I'd rather be told if I'm wrong especially where damage could result! Much appreciated, some people get offended by too much detail and it can end up in a flame war, and I can understand that too. > > Setup the mouse -- if memory serves that is the first step. > > Setup the keyboard -- using the apply button on this and above. > > No problem. > > > Setting up the card -- just select the card you have from the list, don't do > > any detailed setup, let XFree do that. > > Tried it. > > > Setting up the monitor -- when you get that screen -- don't select a > > resolution, enter the correct vertical and horizontal frequency rates for > > your > > monitor on the respective lines. They are right above the big section > > listing > > various resolutions etc. > > Yes, I entered 30-66 and 50-120 and it selected the wrong monitor! It said > Multiscan monitor that can do 1280x1024 @ 76! I can only do 60 at that > resolution! This seemed like a new bug (since the XSuSE server) I just > selected the highest resolution/refresh I could handle. > > When I didn't select that, as soon as I went into graphics mode, it kicked out > (power down). This seems to confirm what I indicated above about the RAMDAC information. > > Shutdown and restart the server using the above command but substitute 24 & > > 32 > > for 16 and recheck all resolutions for stability. I use the Matrox > > Millennium > > and 24 bit color depth is flakey but 32 bit works fine -- go figure hey. > > I did so, still. More info below. > > > If everything goes well and is stable. then when you have a server running in > > 32 bit color mode at highest resolution, grab an xterm and fire up xvidtune > > and > > Doesn't seem to make a difference. I just used the monitor controls. This concerns me. Xvidtune should have allowed you to adjust the image -- that just makes me wonder -- what in the devil is causing that. Not sure what to say about this just yet... > > to do. Restart the xserver and make sure all is well. If it is, then > > This was a good explanation, thanks very much. Thanks for the flowers -- not a problem -- there are rewards in giving back to the community. > Unfortunately, the same result, uh, ...resulted. But, I think that we learned some things here, so all is not lost. > > /etc/XFConfig should have an array of known working modes that can be used to > > fine tune or re-setup X using a differnet server <real big grin>... Good > > luck > > and best regards. Let me know how it works out. > > Here I am! > > Finally I went in (because of the "Illegal mode" setting and just changed the > mode number to 75 (the "Dot Rate" for VESA 1024x768 in my monitor manual) and > it worked! Well at 8 and 16, if not the others. Slick. I checked the manual > again. Ahh, 1024x768 had a "dot rate" of 78.75, I typed that in and it WORKED! > (same story). While I was in there, I changed the Monitor frequencies back to > 30-66 and 50-120 Excellent!! Good thinking and good work. This is exactly what the next step was. By doing all the above you proved out where the problem is, once you have it isolated the next logical thing is to fix it. That's great, and am happy for you that it is working. > My BIG question is, am I slowly burning out my monitor or something because of > my changes? I didn't really change them with full knowledge of what they did. > As of now, I can at least use xfmail without the colors flashing!!!! Grr. Error on the side of caution is good here. As long. as what you have entered manually is within the monitor spec's I don't see any harm. If your image is distorted, tearing or has lines running through it or your monitor starts to squeal then harm is being done. Kill the server (Ctrl+Alt + Backspace) will give an immediate kill. You may want to visit that doc that I mentioned above, may have some tips that will work to improve overall performance. Millage varies -- I'm an information junkie I guess -- just have to know why things do what they do. Anyway the choice is yours. If you need and desire more help, we can do that next week. I will be AWOL this weekend -- have to do some family things, but Monday I'll be around. let me know how it all works out. That thing with xvidtune not working still bothers me for some reason -- well let's think on it awhile.. Regards, Frank > Well thanks everyone for all your help! If I could build up my knowledge a bit > more, I'd consider putting together a mini-howto or something. > > --- > Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> > > You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You're not paid enough to > worry. > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >-- End of excerpt from Jonathan Markevich -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] xscreensaver
by gcell＠erols.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

remember, a true screen saver is a blank screen, preferably password protected. Especially on a notebook. gerry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-suse-linux(a)suse.de [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux@suse.de]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux@suse.de]On</A> > Behalf Of W.D. McKinney > Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 10:38 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] xscreensaver > > > > Anyone here got xscreensaver-2.15.tar.gz working under S.u.S.E. 5.1 ? > This has some excellent hacks for screen savers included. > (See it at <A HREF="http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html"><A HREF="http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html</A">http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html</A</A>>) > Regards > -Dee > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems
by marcus＠dynagon.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

i use PAP to connect to my ISP and you are right there are no prompts.. if you would like me to send you the config files i'm using just leave me a private email or something. actually it's easier to setup with PAP than it is to use all those login prompts and stuff ;) At 05:11 PM 2/6/98 PST, you wrote: > >Hello Everyone: >I just bought a copy of SuSE 4.4.1. and after a successful initial >install <grin>, i still have the same problem that i have under >Slackware: >I cannot connect to my isp. Under Win95, i can't even connect using >hyper terminal (the wife uses Wank95, on a hd all her own). After >contacting netspaceonline, they told me that they are using pap (i >assume it's server initiated, not command oriented). >I can't get minicom to do anything, and i am so new to linux in general, >that i don't know of another client to use for connection. >I have access to a company that i KNOW uses Linux, but they haven't >given me any information as to when i can join them, and netspaceonline >is refusing to help, or so it seems. >I hate windows, but must use it to even get my email. >Any suggestions? >jim seiberling > -- Linux RULES, windoze Drools!!!! > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com"><A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com</A">http://www.hotmail.com</A</A>> >-- >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] virtual mode in xserver
by curator＠gbso.net 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

Hi all, I just clobbered my old XF86Config. My new set-up defaults to virtual screen scrolling - even though I am not using the "virtual" keyword in XF86Config. The server says it is turning on virtual ops because my screen mode is less than 1024. I fixed this once before with an entry somewhere - anybody remember what the virtual supression command is?? Thanks. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mach64 Problem
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

On 06-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > Looks like you have picked a tough one here :-) Are they all like this or is this exceptional? >> This is very strange, I read the video mode timings HOWTO and it seems out >> to >> lunch. Even the math of his own example doesn't fit his explanations. > > That is a tough go, am not sure of the calculations either. It's confusing, "Maximum Dot clock" on my card is 200.000 but that ain't anywhere near my monitor's capability... >> This is in my XF86Config: >> >> # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync >> Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 >> >> My monitor CAN handle 1024x768 @ 76Hz (it can apparenly go up to 80Hz) I don't like the look of the 85. The startup messages say "This is an illegal mode according to the BIOS" and it sure seems like it. > What I would try first is to make certain that I had the latest server > version > from XFree. I know you'd like to use the SuSE server but we can do that > later > once we get something stable running. What I am getting at is to use > XF86Setup > to do a basic server setup. I tried both. I had to download the XSuSE one because it wasn't on my CDs! > If the following appears to be simplistic please note that no insults to your > intelligence are intended, just trying to get a basic known setup that works. > This is offered on a take or leave basis and your millage may vary. Well, I'd rather be told if I'm wrong especially where damage could result! > Setup the mouse -- if memory serves that is the first step. > Setup the keyboard -- using the apply button on this and above. No problem. > Setting up the card -- just select the card you have from the list, don't do > any detailed setup, let XFree do that. Tried it. > Setting up the monitor -- when you get that screen -- don't select a > resolution, enter the correct vertical and horizontal frequency rates for > your > monitor on the respective lines. They are right above the big section > listing > various resolutions etc. Yes, I entered 30-66 and 50-120 and it selected the wrong monitor! It said Multiscan monitor that can do 1280x1024 @ 76! I can only do 60 at that resolution! This seemed like a new bug (since the XSuSE server) I just selected the highest resolution/refresh I could handle. When I didn't select that, as soon as I went into graphics mode, it kicked out (power down). > Shutdown and restart the server using the above command but substitute 24 & > 32 > for 16 and recheck all resolutions for stability. I use the Matrox > Millennium > and 24 bit color depth is flakey but 32 bit works fine -- go figure hey. I did so, still. More info below. > If everything goes well and is stable. then when you have a server running in > 32 bit color mode at highest resolution, grab an xterm and fire up xvidtune > and Doesn't seem to make a difference. I just used the monitor controls. > to do. Restart the xserver and make sure all is well. If it is, then This was a good explanation, thanks very much. Unfortunately, the same result, uh, ...resulted. > /etc/XFConfig should have an array of known working modes that can be used to > fine tune or re-setup X using a differnet server <real big grin>... Good > luck > and best regards. Let me know how it works out. Here I am! Finally I went in (because of the "Illegal mode" setting and just changed the mode number to 75 (the "Dot Rate" for VESA 1024x768 in my monitor manual) and it worked! Well at 8 and 16, if not the others. Slick. I checked the manual again. Ahh, 1024x768 had a "dot rate" of 78.75, I typed that in and it WORKED! (same story). While I was in there, I changed the Monitor frequencies back to 30-66 and 50-120 My BIG question is, am I slowly burning out my monitor or something because of my changes? I didn't really change them with full knowledge of what they did. As of now, I can at least use xfmail without the colors flashing!!!! Grr. Well thanks everyone for all your help! If I could build up my knowledge a bit more, I'd consider putting together a mini-howto or something. --- Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You're not paid enough to worry. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] xscreensaver
by deem＠wdm.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

Anyone here got xscreensaver-2.15.tar.gz working under S.u.S.E. 5.1 ? This has some excellent hacks for screen savers included. (See it at <A HREF="http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html"><A HREF="http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html</A">http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html</A</A>>) Regards -Dee -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems
by deem＠wdm.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

"jim seiberling" <nwobone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Everyone: > I just bought a copy of SuSE 4.4.1. and after a successful initial > install <grin>, i still have the same problem that i have under > Slackware: > I cannot connect to my isp. Under Win95, i can't even connect using > hyper terminal (the wife uses Wank95, on a hd all her own). After > contacting netspaceonline, they told me that they are using pap (i > assume it's server initiated, not command oriented). > I can't get minicom to do anything, and i am so new to linux in general, > that i don't know of another client to use for connection. > I have access to a company that i KNOW uses Linux, but they haven't > given me any information as to when i can join them, and netspaceonline > is refusing to help, or so it seems. > I hate windows, but must use it to even get my email. > Any suggestions? > jim seiberling > -- Linux RULES, windoze Drools!!!! > The easiest I know for for PPP connectivity with or without PAP/CHAP is XISP. Get it from <A HREF="http://users.hol.gr/~dbouras/"><A HREF="http://users.hol.gr/~dbouras/</A">http://users.hol.gr/~dbouras/</A</A>> For your ISP just click on the PAP button. -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

Jim Check /etc/ppp for a file called pap-secrets. If it isn't there make one like this: # Secrets for authentication using PAP # # client server secret IP addresses your login name Your ISP's name your login password N/A 3 fields required Ok, now add to /etc/ppp/options +pap That should, as I recall, handle it. Also read the PPP-HOWTO usually located in /usr/doc/faq/howto. The above info is there and the above is from memory. wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems Date: Fri, Feb 06, 1998 at 05:11:08PM -0800 In reply to:jim seiberling Quoting jim seiberling(nwobone(a)hotmail.com): > > > Hello Everyone: > I just bought a copy of SuSE 4.4.1. and after a successful initial > install <grin>, i still have the same problem that i have under > Slackware: > I cannot connect to my isp. Under Win95, i can't even connect using > hyper terminal (the wife uses Wank95, on a hd all her own). After > contacting netspaceonline, they told me that they are using pap (i > assume it's server initiated, not command oriented). > I can't get minicom to do anything, and i am so new to linux in general, > that i don't know of another client to use for connection. > I have access to a company that i KNOW uses Linux, but they haven't > given me any information as to when i can join them, and netspaceonline > is refusing to help, or so it seems. > I hate windows, but must use it to even get my email. > Any suggestions? > jim seiberling > -- Linux RULES, windoze Drools!!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com"><A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com</A">http://www.hotmail.com</A</A>> > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +-----------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------+ | wtopa(a)ix.netcon.com | | LINUX - Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste | | on WINDOZE | +--------------------------Oooo----------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems
by fpawlak＠execpc.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

On Feb 6, 5:11pm, jim seiberling wrote: > Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems > > Hello Everyone: > I just bought a copy of SuSE 4.4.1. and after a successful initial > install <grin>, i still have the same problem that i have under > Slackware: > I cannot connect to my isp. Under Win95, i can't even connect using > hyper terminal (the wife uses Wank95, on a hd all her own) Say what?? If you can't connect using Hyperterminal something looks seriously wrong somewhere. When you dial in you should get a login prompt followed by a password prompt, and that should start the ppp garbage. Sounds like you don't have an account setup at the ISP. Once that's corrected try EzPPP, a great little package for Inet connectivity. Cheers, Frank After > contacting netspaceonline, they told me that they are using pap (i > assume it's server initiated, not command oriented). > I can't get minicom to do anything, and i am so new to linux in general, > that i don't know of another client to use for connection. > I have access to a company that i KNOW uses Linux, but they haven't > given me any information as to when i can join them, and netspaceonline > is refusing to help, or so it seems. > I hate windows, but must use it to even get my email. > Any suggestions? > jim seiberling > -- Linux RULES, windoze Drools!!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com"><A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com</A">http://www.hotmail.com</A</A>> > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >-- End of excerpt from jim seiberling -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Moving business to the Linux environment
by mperry＠basin.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

On 06-Feb-98 Eric L. Green <exec(a)prysm.net> wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Mario Jose Medjeral wrote: >> Does anybody know a good replacement for Access database in the Linux >> environment? It can be also a flat file database, if there is no >> relational database. > > The basic problem is one of user interface. In free or nearly-free > databases MySQL is reasonable if you use the 3rd-party "X" tools, but not > near as easy to use as Access. The easiest to use seems to be QDDB, which > has a bunch of TCL/TK based tools for browsing tables etc. > > Unfortunately we don't seem to have a good commercial "all in one" > database user interface tool like Access for Linux. The closest is > Personal Empress, but it is more programmer-oriented than end-user > oriented. (Still more end-user oriented than Adabas-D, though). > > > Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants > Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions > You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e The database tools which include a user interface in Access, particularly Access97 provides the graphical environment that I work in on a daily basis. My approach has been lately to attempt to define a methodology using other tools and in particular epmhasizing the use of linux in a support role to support access clients. In that area, it seems that ADABAS D offers some new tools to support access. Perhaps not at the access97 level though... I use qddb for a great many things and have plans for it to do even more. I am tasked with providing a technical notes database which incorporates information in a rather restricted lotus gropes database and make it available to access clients out there to see and grok. I have decided to implement this using sql on a linux server instead of setting up the normal access database and splitting the tables. This means that linux gets some publicity which is quite good for it; it also means that other clients can hit my database without having to use some limiting interface. I am at the point of defining tables at a basic level. The database tool I decide to use may either be ADABAS D or even qddb. I have not reached a decision point. I would develop in access but I have done that. I need something more at this point; more of a challenge, more fun to create. It may be that ADABAS D version 10 provides the interface tools and puts it all together for me; unfortunately, I have about spent all I can of my personal money. Empress is interesting also but to get more out of it requires more than the personal empress database. --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Connection Problems
by nwobone＠hotmail.com 07 Feb '98

07 Feb '98

Hello Everyone: I just bought a copy of SuSE 4.4.1. and after a successful initial install <grin>, i still have the same problem that i have under Slackware: I cannot connect to my isp. Under Win95, i can't even connect using hyper terminal (the wife uses Wank95, on a hd all her own). After contacting netspaceonline, they told me that they are using pap (i assume it's server initiated, not command oriented). I can't get minicom to do anything, and i am so new to linux in general, that i don't know of another client to use for connection. I have access to a company that i KNOW uses Linux, but they haven't given me any information as to when i can join them, and netspaceonline is refusing to help, or so it seems. I hate windows, but must use it to even get my email. Any suggestions? jim seiberling -- Linux RULES, windoze Drools!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com"><A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com</A">http://www.hotmail.com</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Still Need HELP - Trying to compile
by deem＠wdm.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Hubert Mantel <mantel(a)suse.de> wrote: > tatus: RO > > > Hi, > > On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, W.D. McKinney wrote: > > > Here's the process according to the README for xtuner. > > > > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # xmkmf > > mv -f Makefile Makefile.bak > > imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config > > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # make xtuner > > gcc -O2 -m486 -c xtuner.c -o xtuner.o > > In file included from xtuner.h:17, > > from xtuner.c:12: > > /usr/include/forms.h:968: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > > [...] > > > Just wondering what the issue is ? > > Anyone got an idea on what's missing here ? > > You need to install package xdevel. Maybe we should include this into the > standard configuration... > > > Thanks > > Dee > > > > deem(a)wdm.com > > Hubert I have the xdevel package installed. wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # rpm -q xdevel xdevel-3.3.1-14 and lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jan 24 22:15 X11 -> /usr/X11R6 and /usr/lib: libforms.so.0.88 => libforms.so.0.88 libform.so.3.0 => libform.so.3.0.970515 and yet it still doesn't compile. The Imakefile looks like this: #if defined (FreeBSDArchitecture) CC= gcc EXTRA_DEFINES= -D_HAVE_PARAM_H LOCAL_LIBRARIES= -lxforms -lXpm -lX11 -lm #else CFLAGS= -O2 -m486 LOCAL_LIBRARIES= -lforms -lXpm -lX11 -lm #endif Anyone at all have a solution ? Thanks -Dee -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] How to post-install emacs??
by billmadsen＠worldnet.att.net 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Somehow I failed to install emacs when I installed SUSE-Linux 5.1, and now I don't know how to install it. I know there is a large program called emacs on Disk-4, but what other programs should I install? I tried to find out what package emacs was in, and the message told me that emacs was not part of a package. Bill Madsen in St. Louis billmadsen(a)worldnet.att.net -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mach64 Problem
by fpawlak＠execpc.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Hello Jonathan, Looks like you have picked a tough one here :-) On Feb 6, 12:50am, Jonathan Markevich wrote: > Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mach64 Problem > > I know you're just so anxious to hear more from me! No problem Sorry for the tardy response, I have fallen behind on my e-mail and several other things -- the day job is interfering. > This is very strange, I read the video mode timings HOWTO and it seems out to > lunch. Even the math of his own example doesn't fit his explanations. That is a tough go, am not sure of the calculations either. > This is in my XF86Config: > > # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync > Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 > > My monitor CAN handle 1024x768 @ 76Hz (it can apparenly go up to 80Hz) > > So where am I overdriving it? What should I change? Is there a better place > to find this info? This all looks fine except that you are still having the problem. I had a look at the XFree86 site for information, and there are some issues with that card and it's setup. Doesn't look like anything major though. Have a look at any rate. So what to do now? What I would try first is to make certain that I had the latest server version from XFree. I know you'd like to use the SuSE server but we can do that later once we get something stable running. What I am getting at is to use XF86Setup to do a basic server setup. If the following appears to be simplistic please note that no insults to your intelligence are intended, just trying to get a basic known setup that works. This is offered on a take or leave basis and your millage may vary. Setup the mouse -- if memory serves that is the first step. Setup the keyboard -- using the apply button on this and above. Can't remember for sure what come next the monitor or the card, but I think it's the card -- anyway when you get to these this is where the basic stuff comes in. Setting up the card -- just select the card you have from the list, don't do any detailed setup, let XFree do that. Setting up the monitor -- when you get that screen -- don't select a resolution, enter the correct vertical and horizontal frequency rates for your monitor on the respective lines. They are right above the big section listing various resolutions etc. Then just complete the last screen -- don't need any changes there. From there follow the instructions for setting links or what ever it want's to do. It will attempt to start the server, and if sucessfull will put you into xvidtune. Look at the raster for any weird stuff happening. If there is then we already have a problem with the setup. If it looks OK, I wouldn't make any changes with xvidtune just yet, let the cards fall where they may for know. After xvidtune lites up click on apply and save the config. This should give a whole array of video modes supported by your monitor and card to select from. Let it make the links and shutdown the server. Restart the server using just startx. You can select different video modes using the Ctrl+Alt and the + & - keys on the number keypad. This will allow inspection of various resolutions at the 8bit color depth. Hopefully all is well. Shut down the server and restart it like so: startx -- -bpp 16, and repeat the above checking that the image is stable at each resolution. Shutdown and restart the server using the above command but substitute 24 & 32 for 16 and recheck all resolutions for stability. I use the Matrox Millennium and 24 bit color depth is flakey but 32 bit works fine -- go figure hey. If everything goes well and is stable. then when you have a server running in 32 bit color mode at highest resolution, grab an xterm and fire up xvidtune and adjust the image to your liking, while paying attention to stability. When I use xvidtune after acknowledging it starting, I click on apply before making any changes. I have found that if any adjustments to the image are done that lie outside the frequency specification of your monitor, xvidtune will complain and you'll have to backout the last attempted change before going on. If all is well click on apply and save and let it make the links or what ever it wants to do. Restart the xserver and make sure all is well. If it is, then /etc/XFConfig should have an array of known working modes that can be used to fine tune or re-setup X using a differnet server <real big grin>... Good luck and best regards. Let me know how it works out. Frank -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Moving business to the Linux environment
by exec＠prysm.net 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Mario Jose Medjeral wrote: > Does anybody know a good replacement for Access database in the Linux > environment? It can be also a flat file database, if there is no > relational database. The basic problem is one of user interface. In free or nearly-free databases MySQL is reasonable if you use the 3rd-party "X" tools, but not near as easy to use as Access. The easiest to use seems to be QDDB, which has a bunch of TCL/TK based tools for browsing tables etc. Unfortunately we don't seem to have a good commercial "all in one" database user interface tool like Access for Linux. The closest is Personal Empress, but it is more programmer-oriented than end-user oriented. (Still more end-user oriented than Adabas-D, though). Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware
by jgray＠suse.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Thanks for spreading the info, Lach. Normally we include this sheet in each Applixware shipment, but I think we messed up in this case. Sorry Mr. Medjeral! Sincerely, James Gray > This is a message I got from Bodo on this problem: > Important Information > > The installation of Applixware on a S.u.S.E. Linux System differs > slightly from the installation routine on a Redhat system. > To install Applixware on S.u.S.E. Linux, you first need to login as > root. Once logged in, mount the Applixware CD: > > mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom -o exec,no_root_squash,ro > > Now change to the directory /cdrom > > cd /cdrom > > Next, run the installation program: > > ./install-applix > > And a final step, install the Applix libraries: > > rpm -i RPMS/i386/applix-libs-4.3-2.office.i386.rpm > > Then go back to your home directory and umount the cdrom. Now you're > done! > > cd > umount /cdrom > > To start Applixware, type in > > /opt/applix/applix > > In case of problems, please feel free to contact our support team: > > Via e-mail: support(a)suse.com > Telephone: +1-510-835-7879 Moday and Thursday > 11am-5pm Pacific Time > > Thank you, > your S.u.S.E.-Team! > > -- > Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 > bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 > http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA > > I hope this helps in future installs :) > > Lach > > Mario Jose Medjeral wrote: > > > I recently bough Applixware 4.3.7 Office Suite direct from SuSe in > > the United States. > > The package says it is compatible with SuSE Linux 5.1. > > The leaflet inside the package says: Applixware for Red Hat Linux > > and describes the installation: > > > > mount cdrom > > # cd /cdrom > > Run the installation program: > > # ./install-applix > > > > In the my SuSe Linux distribution this gives a 'permission denied' > > > > Then tried 'sh ./install-applix' > > Did not work. > > > > Using YaST it gave a error message stating that cdrom had no > > installation directory. > > > > The only way I could install applix was: > > > > cd /cdrom/RPMS/i386 > > > > Then doing the ' rpm -ivh --nodeps of each rpm file' > > > > It works !! > > > > I thought that SuSe shld enclose a leaflet stating that > > the installation script does not work for SuSe customers. It > > would have save me time. > > > > Rgds > > M. J. Medjeral > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- ------------------------------------------- S.u.S.E., LLC - German-Engineered Linux 458 Santa Clara Avenue Oakland, CA 94610 USA +1-510-835-7873 FAX +1-510-835-7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Our mailing lists are functional! suse-announce-e -> Announcements from S.u.S.E. LLC suse-linux-e -> Discussions about S.u.S.E. Linux suse-adabas -> ADABAS D RDBMS w/ S.u.S.E. Linux (bilingual) To subscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)suse.com with 'subscribe <listname>' in the body. ------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware
by fpawlak＠execpc.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

On Feb 6, 4:19pm, Mario Jose Medjeral wrote: > Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware > > I recently bough Applixware 4.3.7 Office Suite direct from SuSe in > the United States. > The package says it is compatible with SuSE Linux 5.1. > The leaflet inside the package says: Applixware for Red Hat Linux > and describes the installation: > > mount cdrom > # cd /cdrom > Run the installation program: > # ./install-applix > > In the my SuSe Linux distribution this gives a 'permission denied' > > Then tried 'sh ./install-applix' > Did not work. This is odd, I have installed Applixware on SuSE 5.0 & 5.1 using the install script without any problems. I also have installed RPM on Slackware and used the install-applix script there. Wonder if there isn't something wrong with your setup. Cheers, Frank > Using YaST it gave a error message stating that cdrom had no > installation directory. > > The only way I could install applix was: > > cd /cdrom/RPMS/i386 > > Then doing the ' rpm -ivh --nodeps of each rpm file' > > It works !! > > I thought that SuSe shld enclose a leaflet stating that > the installation script does not work for SuSe customers. It > would have save me time. > > Rgds > M. J. Medjeral > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >-- End of excerpt from Mario Jose Medjeral -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] X Windows Questions
by netd＠fastrans.net 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

I have my default run level set to 3, so X is the default, works fine, etc. Everything is happy in Xland, except for a few little configuration things. Questions: With Slackware, I never had any problem "seeing" a Linux machine as a willing host for Win95/NT X clients to login via xdm. However, I've noticed that SuSE does not come up the same way. What do I need to reconfig so that X clients can login via xdm or whatver it takes to get the PC X server under Windows95/NT to see the Linux machine? Thanks! -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware
by lach＠lach.net 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

This is a message I got from Bodo on this problem: Important Information The installation of Applixware on a S.u.S.E. Linux System differs slightly from the installation routine on a Redhat system. To install Applixware on S.u.S.E. Linux, you first need to login as root. Once logged in, mount the Applixware CD: mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom -o exec,no_root_squash,ro Now change to the directory /cdrom cd /cdrom Next, run the installation program: ./install-applix And a final step, install the Applix libraries: rpm -i RPMS/i386/applix-libs-4.3-2.office.i386.rpm Then go back to your home directory and umount the cdrom. Now you're done! cd umount /cdrom To start Applixware, type in /opt/applix/applix In case of problems, please feel free to contact our support team: Via e-mail: support(a)suse.com Telephone: +1-510-835-7879 Moday and Thursday 11am-5pm Pacific Time Thank you, your S.u.S.E.-Team! -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA I hope this helps in future installs :) Lach Mario Jose Medjeral wrote: > I recently bough Applixware 4.3.7 Office Suite direct from SuSe in > the United States. > The package says it is compatible with SuSE Linux 5.1. > The leaflet inside the package says: Applixware for Red Hat Linux > and describes the installation: > > mount cdrom > # cd /cdrom > Run the installation program: > # ./install-applix > > In the my SuSe Linux distribution this gives a 'permission denied' > > Then tried 'sh ./install-applix' > Did not work. > > Using YaST it gave a error message stating that cdrom had no > installation directory. > > The only way I could install applix was: > > cd /cdrom/RPMS/i386 > > Then doing the ' rpm -ivh --nodeps of each rpm file' > > It works !! > > I thought that SuSe shld enclose a leaflet stating that > the installation script does not work for SuSe customers. It > would have save me time. > > Rgds > M. J. Medjeral > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware
by rolf＠suse.de 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

> > I recently bough Applixware 4.3.7 Office Suite direct from SuSe in > the United States. > The package says it is compatible with SuSE Linux 5.1. > The leaflet inside the package says: Applixware for Red Hat Linux > and describes the installation: > > mount cdrom use mount -t iso9660 -o ro,exec /dev/cdrom /cdrom instead, all should work fine then. sincerly, Rolf Haberrecker ##################################################################### # Rolf Haberrecker, M.A. S.u.S.E. GmbH fon +49-911-3247130 # # rolf(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 fax +49-911-3206727 # # <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/</A">http://www.suse.com/</A</A>> # ##################################################################### -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware
by mperry＠basin.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

On 06-Feb-98 Mario Jose Medjeral wrote: > > I recently bough Applixware 4.3.7 Office Suite direct from SuSe in > the United States. > The package says it is compatible with SuSE Linux 5.1. > The leaflet inside the package says: Applixware for Red Hat Linux > and describes the installation: > > mount cdrom ># cd /cdrom > Run the installation program: ># ./install-applix > > In the my SuSe Linux distribution this gives a 'permission denied' > > Then tried 'sh ./install-applix' > Did not work. I found that the way for me to install applixware from the cd was to mount the cd like this: mount -rt iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom If I only mounted the cd with mount /cdrom I always got the error about permissions here. > > Using YaST it gave a error message stating that cdrom had no > installation directory. > > The only way I could install applix was: > > cd /cdrom/RPMS/i386 > > Then doing the ' rpm -ivh --nodeps of each rpm file' > > It works !! > > I thought that SuSe shld enclose a leaflet stating that > the installation script does not work for SuSe customers. It > would have save me time. > > Rgds > M. J. Medjeral > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Applixware
by seamar＠singnet.com.sg 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

I recently bough Applixware 4.3.7 Office Suite direct from SuSe in the United States. The package says it is compatible with SuSE Linux 5.1. The leaflet inside the package says: Applixware for Red Hat Linux and describes the installation: mount cdrom # cd /cdrom Run the installation program: # ./install-applix In the my SuSe Linux distribution this gives a 'permission denied' Then tried 'sh ./install-applix' Did not work. Using YaST it gave a error message stating that cdrom had no installation directory. The only way I could install applix was: cd /cdrom/RPMS/i386 Then doing the ' rpm -ivh --nodeps of each rpm file' It works !! I thought that SuSe shld enclose a leaflet stating that the installation script does not work for SuSe customers. It would have save me time. Rgds M. J. Medjeral -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Mach64 Problem
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

I know you're just so anxious to hear more from me! This is very strange, I read the video mode timings HOWTO and it seems out to lunch. Even the math of his own example doesn't fit his explanations. This is in my XF86Config: # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 My monitor CAN handle 1024x768 @ 76Hz (it can apparenly go up to 80Hz) So where am I overdriving it? What should I change? Is there a better place to find this info? (brief recap; XSuSE_Mach64 Server, ATI 3d RageII+DVD 4MB Sceptre P511 monitor, [30-66 horiz. and 50-120 vert.] I can only get 8bpp without distortion) --- Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> Deliberation, n.: The act of examining one's bread to determine which side it is buttered on. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Moving business to the Linux environment
by mperry＠basin.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

On Fri, Feb 06, 1998 at 11:45:30AM +0800, Mario Jose Medjeral stated: > > Perhaps somebody may help me here, while this is not directly related to > the SuSe Linux issue: > > We are replacing in our office Word and Excel with Applix, for > wordprocessing and spreadsheet work. > > Does anybody know a good replacement for Access database in the > Linux environment? It can be also a flat file database, if there > is no relational database. > > Regards > Mario Jose Medjeral > seamar(a)singnet.com.sg > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Are you saying you want a monolithic style database in the tradition of access? I use access97 quite a bit at work. I am at a point with linux where I want to learn to use the client-serving databases and sql stuff. I would suggest a few different databases for your consideration: ADABAS D - at the suse web site EMPRESS - at www.empress.com. ADABAS D is interesting but it does not have the monolithic character. Empress has a lot of tools from what I can see. The new ADABAS D looks real good with its tcl/tk interface, access tools (this may be interesting for you), and other stuff. For my own personal stuff at home I use qddb. It is amazingly cheap and quite powerful. There is qddb on the distro as well as adabas and perhaps a few other databases. I did purchase ADABAS D 6 but had a slight learning curve problem with it. I could not digest the literally thousands of web based pages on it. I do better with a printed manual. I know these do not include all the databases out there. For me, qddb allowed me start building a web based time and activity database for my company. It will be served on a SuSE linux distribution at work. HTH -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Small mail question - just curious...
by mperry＠basin.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Hi- I am customizing my rxvt terminals that run mutt and slrn by adding titles to their exec lines. The title is enclosed in quotation marks. When I attempt this with the items on the fvwmbutton bar which shows new mail (i.e., coolmail) I cannot get the title to work. I gather this is because it already is executed in quotes. Is there a way to make this one example show a title much like the rest of my .fvwm2rc does? Here is my rxvt line in Mail line- Exec rxvt -font &x13 -title "MUTT Email" +sb -e mutt Now here is the line from the coolmail thingee that gets swallowed up: "rxvt -g 80x36 -e mutt" & So it is already enclosed in caps, how do I make a title for someting that is already enclosed in caps? When I try to enclose a title command, the coolmail thingee just goes away completely. Thanks. -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Moving business to the Linux environment
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Mario Take a look at mysql at www.tcx.se. It's very good. HTH wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Moving business to the Linux environment Date: Fri, Feb 06, 1998 at 11:45:30AM +0800 In reply to:Mario Jose Medjeral Quoting Mario Jose Medjeral(seamar(a)singnet.com.sg): > > > Perhaps somebody may help me here, while this is not directly related to > the SuSe Linux issue: > > We are replacing in our office Word and Excel with Applix, for > wordprocessing and spreadsheet work. > > Does anybody know a good replacement for Access database in the > Linux environment? It can be also a flat file database, if there > is no relational database. > > Regards > Mario Jose Medjeral > seamar(a)singnet.com.sg > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +-----------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------+ | wtopa(a)ix.netcon.com | | LINUX - Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste | | on WINDOZE | +--------------------------Oooo----------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Moving business to the Linux environment
by seamar＠singnet.com.sg 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Perhaps somebody may help me here, while this is not directly related to the SuSe Linux issue: We are replacing in our office Word and Excel with Applix, for wordprocessing and spreadsheet work. Does anybody know a good replacement for Access database in the Linux environment? It can be also a flat file database, if there is no relational database. Regards Mario Jose Medjeral seamar(a)singnet.com.sg -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iBCS libs
by marca＠netscout.com 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

Ted: iBCS only works for INTEL binaries from other UNIXes (e.g., SCO, NCR). WABI, Wine and DOSemu are what you need to run Windows or DOS software. By the way, I've had no problem using the iBCS modules with SCO software like Wordperfect 6. marc. Ted Harding <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> on 02/05/98 07:10:27 AM Please respond to suse-linux-e(a)suse.com To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com cc: (bcc: Marc Abrams) Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iBCS libs Hi Folks, I'm thinking seriously of getting WABI, so I'm wondering whether I need to install iBCS libs for this. If so, I note the warning that installing iBCS libs may cause all sorts of problems by confusing programs which need to load libraries. I'd welcome more detail about these problems than are given by YaST; and any comment on the above. With best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Ted Harding <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Date: 05-Feb-98 Time: 15:10:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by andyford＠fastrans.net 06 Feb '98

06 Feb '98

wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: aware of. > I had never aliased mkdir to md (maybe because of DOS) but see I have > an alias now (md -p). > except that md is also the Linux Multiple Device thingy... :) -- yours, Andy -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by stugreen＠bga.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Wayne, Thank you for the additional information. Regards, Stu wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Good point Stu but easy installs ginstall into /usr/local/bin and I > have found two tar.gz packages that look of ginstall in /bin. A link > solved it but its something to watch out for. > > wayne > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question > Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 01:07:59PM -0600 > > In reply to:Stu Green > > Quoting Stu Green(stugreen(a)bga.com): > > > > Luis, > > There is a package (/cdrom/suse/a1/eazy.rpm) that provides the appearance of an > > fssstd file system layout. > > Once installed, downloading, decompressing and installing packages in .tgz, > > ..tar or .gz format is > > more easily accomplished. The package has been include for the purposes of > > compatibility, it needs to > > be manually selected at installation or installed manually following > > installation. > > Regards, > > Stu > > > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > -- > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > competition. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
by jgray＠suse.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi! This is James from S.u.S.E.. Thanks to Tom Schaefer for the good rundown. [...] I have found a great use for every distribution I have encountered and > they're all good. ANY of the Linux distributions makes an excellent choice. (see > <A HREF="http://www.linux.org"><A HREF="http://www.linux.org</A">http://www.linux.org</A</A>> check the distributions page) Right, each person has their preference. One day we'll have a customer who will consider a feature "awesome" and the next day someone will call it "crap" depending on his needs and preferences. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) [...] get over it and support your distributor by becoming a subscriber. > Keep these people in business. Linux is an emerging market and we need to support > all of the distributors as best we can. Stay with a distributor who is providing > the kind of support that works for you. Thanks, we definitely need that. Whenever I describe what we're doing to people in more 'traditional' business sectors, they ask me how the heck we survive by selling a product for $50 a pop that one can freely distribute to as many people as they want. Luckily through the support of the great Linux community we have been successful and that makes us able to keep improving our product and expanding the role of Linux in the world. Also, I think we Linux providers are doing a good job at following a "coop-etition" model. Sure we have healthy competition, but we are trying to keep the #1 goal in mind--chip away at the M$ hegemony. I think of it sort of like a political party. In a party, people will debate and argue like crazy to make sure that the best ideas/features come to the surface, but they have to always rally together at election time and rally around the candidate. For us, we should have that same healthy debate, but we can't let that distract us from the bigger goal. So, with that said, I encourage you to debate like mad, but let's use it to keep getting better and better rather than splitting us apart into factions that avoid each other. > The last thing we need in the Linux community is a big pissing contest about > distributions. At current prices, you can afford to try ALL of them and still beat > Microsloth! Yep! Cheers James Gray ------------------------------------------- S.u.S.E., LLC - German-Engineered Linux 458 Santa Clara Avenue Oakland, CA 94610 USA +1-510-835-7873 FAX +1-510-835-7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Our mailing lists are functional! suse-announce-e -> Announcements from S.u.S.E. LLC suse-linux-e -> Discussions about S.u.S.E. Linux suse-adabas -> ADABAS D RDBMS w/ S.u.S.E. Linux (bilingual) To subscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)suse.com with 'subscribe <listname>' in the body. ------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
by netd＠fastrans.net 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

sawitt(a)mail.hac.com wrote: > Debian Linux, of course, is the best distribution :). But I really do > believe that or I wouldn't be using it. This can get a silly as an o/s flame war. However, I think in some ways this topic is not discussed enough. I think that if you are going to have this discussion on the list servs of various Linux distributors, at their expense, I would think that you would all keep your comments positive and avoid discussions about who has the best package management system or who has the best installer. Package management, installation routines and update facilities are great, but I haven't seen a distribution yet that excells at all of it. On a positive note, each distribution is getting better, quality is up, user satisfaction is up overall and we can reap the fruits of some quality Linux development going on globally. I have found that each distribution seems to excell on a couple of major points - and where it excells provides the user with a role that particular distribution can provide. I have found a great use for every distribution I have encountered and they're all good. ANY of the Linux distributions makes an excellent choice. (see <A HREF="http://www.linux.org"><A HREF="http://www.linux.org</A">http://www.linux.org</A</A>> check the distributions page) It's not a spoon fed world like Microsloth, and a good Unix/Linux user will make the best effort to wean themselves from that kind of thinking. Get past the learning curve, get over it and support your distributor by becoming a subscriber. Keep these people in business. Linux is an emerging market and we need to support all of the distributors as best we can. Stay with a distributor who is providing the kind of support that works for you. The last thing we need in the Linux community is a big pissing contest about distributions. At current prices, you can afford to try ALL of them and still beat Microsloth! And if you have a web site with anything related to Linux, fer chrishakes join the Linux web ring at: <A HREF="http://nll.interl.net/lwr/"><A HREF="http://nll.interl.net/lwr/</A">http://nll.interl.net/lwr/</A</A>> Tom Schaefer Net Design Technology, Inc. netd(a)fastrans.net <A HREF="http://netd.fastrans.net"><A HREF="http://netd.fastrans.net</A">http://netd.fastrans.net</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] "Der Spiegel" Webb Page
by hatridge＠straubing.baynet.de 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi All; I've got a problem with my wife. She wants me to save the "Der Spiegel" homepage for her to read later. When I do my normal save it acts like it's done. But later when I call it up on my browser all I have is a black screen. Does "Der Spiegel" (and others) have some type of lock on their pages to keep people from copying them? I should also say that the Spiegel page has 3 different windows on the screen at one time. The normal pages I copy have only the normal single page. (I'm I making sense?) I bet Spiegel uses allot of java stuff. Thanks for any ideas and your help! JIM ----------------------------------------- James Hatridge Publisher "Warthog Bulletin" German Stamps From Germany About Germany In English! email for details : hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Good point Stu but easy installs ginstall into /usr/local/bin and I have found two tar.gz packages that look of ginstall in /bin. A link solved it but its something to watch out for. wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 01:07:59PM -0600 In reply to:Stu Green Quoting Stu Green(stugreen(a)bga.com): > > Luis, > There is a package (/cdrom/suse/a1/eazy.rpm) that provides the appearance of an > fssstd file system layout. > Once installed, downloading, decompressing and installing packages in .tgz, > ..tar or .gz format is > more easily accomplished. The package has been include for the purposes of > compatibility, it needs to > be manually selected at installation or installed manually following > installation. > Regards, > Stu > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
by sawitt＠mail.hac.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

--Boundary_(ID_e37HHycDsmCmRjHjxEOiqw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Debian Linux, of course, is the best distribution :). But I really do believe that or I wouldn't be using it. To determine whether your hardware is supported or not you should consult the HOWTOs. A HOWTO index is located at <A HREF="http://www.linux.org/help/howto.html"><A HREF="http://www.linux.org/help/howto.html</A">http://www.linux.org/help/howto.html</A</A>>. Look through there until you see the Hardware Compatibility HOWTO. Coincidentally I'm resarching this issue myself for a R&D networking lab I'm building at work that will use PCs/Debian as hosts. As far as I know, I don't think there is anything on your list of hardware that will give you any trouble. I don't think your video card is supported by the current release of XFree86 (for X windows), but it is supported (pretty well to all reports) by the S.u.S.E. project -- visit <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>>. Of course any problems/questions you encounter along the way will be answered promptly by this list's membership. Another great reason to choose Debian. Good luck! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Which Linux distribution??? Author: lalcd(a)ozemail.com.au at mime Date: 2/5/98 9:34 AM Hi all, Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? my system is as follows, Pentium 233MMX ASUS TX97-E Smart Mainboard 64MB 168pin SDRAM 4.3GB Quantum ST HD 24X CDROM Millenium II with 4MB Viewsonic 17PS (supporting 1600x1280) Sound Blaster AWE 64bit US Robotics 56K x2 Sportster external Epson 600C printer thanks a lot Lal D. *************************************** Lal Dissanayake Jnr EMail: lalcd(a)ozemail.com.au *************************************** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to debian-user-request(a)lists.debian.org . Trouble? e-mail to templin(a)bucknell.edu . --Boundary_(ID_e37HHycDsmCmRjHjxEOiqw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 RFC-822-headers: Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #26245) id <0ENX00M012MFW8(a)mail.hac.com> for "stephen a witt"@mime.mail.hac.com; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #26245) id <0ENX00M012MCVJ(a)mail.hac.com> for "stephen a witt"@mime.mail.hac.com; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw-es05.hac.com by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #26245) with ESMTP id <0ENX00ILA2MBHH(a)mail.hac.com> for "stephen a witt"@mime.mail.hac.com; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian.novare.net ([205.229.104.5]) by fw-es05.hac.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA29783 for <sawitt(a)mail.hac.com>; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10166 invoked by uid 38); Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 10124 invoked from network); Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:18 +0000 Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (203.2.192.122) by debian.novare.net with SMTP; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:18 +0000 Received: from lalcd (slmel20p16.ozemail.com.au [203.108.206.32]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA28482; Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:48:14 +1100 (EST) Resent-date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:34:52 +1100 Resent-from: debian-user(a)lists.debian.org From: Lal Dissanayake Jnr <lalcd(a)ozemail.com.au> Subject: Which Linux distribution??? Resent-sender: debian-user-request(a)lists.debian.org X-Sender: lalcd(a)pop.ozemail.com.au Resent-cc: Resent-message-id: <"LJw5-.A.eeC.ntf20"@debian> Message-id: <3.0.3.32.19980206043452.0079faa0(a)pop.ozemail.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Precedence: list X-Envelope-Sender: lalcd(a)ozemail.com.au X-Mailing-List: <debian-user(a)lists.debian.org> archive/latest/25922 X-Loop: debian-user(a)lists.debian.org --Boundary_(ID_e37HHycDsmCmRjHjxEOiqw)-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HELP - Trying to compile
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Yes, I had required xdevel libs for a number of programs. The Xlib.h, Xutil.h and Xatom.h are located in the xdevel package. HINT: Yast is good at finding the answer to this. yast - Adj of installation - mount the CD choose/install packages then package information (select Search install media) then in search line enter Xlib Finally, I have something GOOD to say about YaST. HTH wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HELP - Trying to compile Date: Wed, Feb 04, 1998 at 10:44:19PM -0900 In reply to:W.D. McKinney Quoting W.D. McKinney(deem(a)wdm.com): > > > > Here's the process according to the README for xtuner. > > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # xmkmf > mv -f Makefile Makefile.bak > imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # make xtuner > gcc -O2 -m486 -c xtuner.c -o xtuner.o > In file included from xtuner.h:17, > from xtuner.c:12: > /usr/include/forms.h:968: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > /usr/include/forms.h:969: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory > /usr/include/forms.h:970: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory > /usr/include/forms.h:971: X11/keysym.h: No such file or directory > /usr/include/forms.h:972: X11/Xresource.h: No such file or directory > /usr/include/forms.h:2138: X11/cursorfont.h: No such file or directory > In file included from xtuner.c:12: > xtuner.h:21: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory > xtuner.h:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > xtuner.h:23: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory > xtuner.h:24: X11/Xresource.h: No such file or directory > make: *** [xtuner.o] Error 1 > > > My sys has : > > # locate libforms.a > /home/deem/xforms/FORMS/libforms.a > /usr/lib/libforms.a > > and > > /usr/include/forms.h > > Just wondering what the issue is ? > Anyone got an idea on what's missing here ? > > Thanks > Dee > > deem(a)wdm.com > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hubert Thank you for the education! It shows that even an old programmer CAN learn. I was not aware of that nuance of pwd. Very interesting! I also learned that I have a new bunch of aliases I was not aware of. I had never aliased mkdir to md (maybe because of DOS) but see I have an alias now (md -p). From this discussion, I take it that I can forget your previous comment ie "Wayne's custom prompt only modified the PS1 variable. This is a dangerous thing because it can fake the return value of commands when the prompt contains a command itself." correct? Thank you for your help. May I say that assistance like this is what will help get SuSE over the RedHat mountain very soon. Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem? Date: Thu, Feb 05, 1998 at 11:43:55AM +0100 In reply to:Hubert Mantel Quoting Hubert Mantel(mantel(a)suse.de): > > > Hi, > > On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > Hubert > > Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your concern with the way I > > went about getting my prompt to work. I think I follow your reasoning > > except for the "pwd -P". I can't find any reference to the "-P" in > > regards to pwd. I may have done something correct in my .bash_profile > > because I do not see the same results as yu show. My running of your > > test yields the following. > > > > VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ cp FUNNY sad > > cp: FUNNY: No such file or directory > > VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ echo $? > > 1 > > VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ unset PS1 > > cp FUNNY sad > > cp: FUNNY: No such file or directory > > echo $? > > 1 > > > > Sorry about the lack of a prompt, you understand. As I view the > > above results, I do not see the problem occuring that prompted your > > concern, or have I mis-understood you? > > You have no system command in your PS1 variable. In this case it works > correctly. In my example, the `pwd` did overwrite the return code from the > cp command. > > For the difference between `pwd` and `pwd -P` look at this example: > > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > md -p a/b/c > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > ln -s a/b/c d > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > cd d > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > pwd > /home/alex/mantel/d > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > pwd -P > /home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > > > `pwd -P` shows the "real" location. We did it this way due to demand from > many of our customers. After having done so, we noticed the problem with > the overwritten return code and switched to using the PROMPT_COMMAND. > > > Wayne > > Hubert > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
by galbraith＠mixing.qc.dfo.ca 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Tim Sailer wrote: > Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: > > > Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my > > system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking > > for the best, not something for newbies. > > Since you are asking on a Debian list, no one is going to point you > to RH, Slackware, or anything else.. :) Debian is the *best*. But he asked on the Debian, Red Hat and SUSE lists! Please! Let's not all start a cross-mailing-list flame war about which is the `best' distribution! That's the last thing we all need. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist <galbraith(a)mixing.qc.dfo.ca> Maurice-Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada 418-775-0852 - FAX 418-775-0546 -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
by sailer＠sun10.sep.bnl.gov 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: > > Hi all, > > Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my > system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking > for the best, not something for newbies. Since you are asking on a Debian list, no one is going to point you to RH, Slackware, or anything else.. :) Debian is the *best*. > Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? I'm not sure which server, if any(not counting the commercial ones) supports the Millenium2. I have no direct experience with it. Tim -- (work) sailer(a)bnl.gov / (home) tps(a)buoy.com - <A HREF="http://www.buoy.com/~tps"><A HREF="http://www.buoy.com/~tps</A">http://www.buoy.com/~tps</A</A>> "Great successes are built on taking your negatives and turning them around." -- Sumner Redstone ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Which Linux distribution???
by lalcd＠ozemail.com.au 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi all, Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? my system is as follows, Pentium 233MMX ASUS TX97-E Smart Mainboard 64MB 168pin SDRAM 4.3GB Quantum ST HD 24X CDROM Millenium II with 4MB Viewsonic 17PS (supporting 1600x1280) Sound Blaster AWE 64bit US Robotics 56K x2 Sportster external Epson 600C printer thanks a lot Lal D. *************************************** Lal Dissanayake Jnr EMail: lalcd(a)ozemail.com.au *************************************** -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: HELP - Trying to compile
by deem＠wdm.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hubert Mantel <mantel(a)suse.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, W.D. McKinney wrote: > > > Here's the process according to the README for xtuner. > > > > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # xmkmf > > mv -f Makefile Makefile.bak > > imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config > > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # make xtuner > > gcc -O2 -m486 -c xtuner.c -o xtuner.o > > In file included from xtuner.h:17, > > from xtuner.c:12: > > /usr/include/forms.h:968: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > > [...] > > > Just wondering what the issue is ? > > Anyone got an idea on what's missing here ? > > You need to install package xdevel. Maybe we should include this into the > standard configuration... Hello, I do have this installed ? rpm -q xdevel xdevel-3.3.1-14 Is there something else, like a miss in the Imakefile ? -Dee -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] tkp/pppd permissons (user account)
by exec＠prysm.net 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Scott Gray wrote: > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 14653 Dec 1 02:58 /usr/X11R6/bin/tkppp* > > Is it wrong to set the uid bit for tkppp? Not wrong, but it won't do anything. suid on scripts is ignored. Add yourself to the "uucp" and "dialout" groups in /etc/group, then logout then log back in. That should give you enough permissions to do PPP without having to muck about with the default permissions on pppd/tkppp/etc. SuSE has a very well-thought-out setup when it comes to PPP permissions. Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] tkp/pppd permissons (user account)
by netd＠fastrans.net 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

--------------2701F33D2F041D739631BE6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Gray wrote: > Hi, > > When started from my root account, tkppp has no problem connecting to my isp. > However, initially tkppp could connet to my isp if started from my user account. > I would get a message from pppd stating that permission was denied. Therefore, > I set the permission to pppd as follow: > > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root dialout 83856 Nov 30 07:14 /usr/sbin/pppd* Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't chown root.users /usr/sbin/pppd be enough? --------------2701F33D2F041D739631BE6B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Scott Gray wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Hi, When started from my root account, tkppp has no problem connecting to my isp. However, initially tkppp could connet to my isp if started from my user account. I would get a message from pppd stating that permission was denied. Therefore, I set the permission to pppd as follow: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root dialout 83856 Nov 30 07:14 /usr/sbin/pppd*</BLOCKQUOTE> Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't<TT></TT> <TT>chown root.users /usr/sbin/pppd</TT> be enough? </HTML> --------------2701F33D2F041D739631BE6B-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iBCS libs
by rolf＠suse.de 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

> > Hi Folks, > > I'm thinking seriously of getting WABI, so I'm wondering whether I need to > install iBCS libs for this. You don't need iBCS for WABI. It works fine without. sincerly, Rolf Haberrecker ##################################################################### # Rolf Haberrecker, M.A. S.u.S.E. GmbH fon +49-911-3247130 # # rolf(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 fax +49-911-3206727 # # <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/</A">http://www.suse.com/</A</A>> # ##################################################################### -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] tkp/pppd permissons (user account)
by 1sgray＠preferred.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi, When started from my root account, tkppp has no problem connecting to my isp. However, initially tkppp could connet to my isp if started from my user account. I would get a message from pppd stating that permission was denied. Therefore, I set the permission to pppd as follow: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root dialout 83856 Nov 30 07:14 /usr/sbin/pppd* Now connet but strangely enough tkppp doesn't realize that it has connected. This problem only occurs from within my user account. Should I change the permissions associate with tkppp? Here is the current status of the before spec ified permissions: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 14653 Dec 1 02:58 /usr/X11R6/bin/tkppp* Is it wrong to set the uid bit for tkppp? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Scott Gray <1sgray(a)preferred.com> Date: 05-Feb-98 Time: 10:55:44 Linux version 2.0.33 ---------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] iBCS libs
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi Folks, I'm thinking seriously of getting WABI, so I'm wondering whether I need to install iBCS libs for this. If so, I note the warning that installing iBCS libs may cause all sorts of problems by confusing programs which need to load libraries. I'd welcome more detail about these problems than are given by YaST; and any comment on the above. With best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Ted Harding <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Date: 05-Feb-98 Time: 15:10:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: HELP - Trying to compile
by mantel＠suse.de 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi, On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, W.D. McKinney wrote: > Here's the process according to the README for xtuner. > > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # xmkmf > mv -f Makefile Makefile.bak > imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config > wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # make xtuner > gcc -O2 -m486 -c xtuner.c -o xtuner.o > In file included from xtuner.h:17, > from xtuner.c:12: > /usr/include/forms.h:968: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory [...] > Just wondering what the issue is ? > Anyone got an idea on what's missing here ? You need to install package xdevel. Maybe we should include this into the standard configuration... > Thanks > Dee > > deem(a)wdm.com Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by mantel＠suse.de 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hi, On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > Hubert > Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your concern with the way I > went about getting my prompt to work. I think I follow your reasoning > except for the "pwd -P". I can't find any reference to the "-P" in > regards to pwd. I may have done something correct in my .bash_profile > because I do not see the same results as yu show. My running of your > test yields the following. > > VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ cp FUNNY sad > cp: FUNNY: No such file or directory > VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ echo $? > 1 > VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ unset PS1 > cp FUNNY sad > cp: FUNNY: No such file or directory > echo $? > 1 > > Sorry about the lack of a prompt, you understand. As I view the > above results, I do not see the problem occuring that prompted your > concern, or have I mis-understood you? You have no system command in your PS1 variable. In this case it works correctly. In my example, the `pwd` did overwrite the return code from the cp command. For the difference between `pwd` and `pwd -P` look at this example: Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > md -p a/b/c Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > ln -s a/b/c d Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > cd d Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > pwd /home/alex/mantel/d Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > pwd -P /home/alex/mantel/a/b/c Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel/a/b/c > `pwd -P` shows the "real" location. We did it this way due to demand from many of our customers. After having done so, we noticed the problem with the overwritten return code and switched to using the PROMPT_COMMAND. > Wayne Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] HELP - Trying to compile
by deem＠wdm.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Here's the process according to the README for xtuner. wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # xmkmf mv -f Makefile Makefile.bak imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config wdm:/home/deem/xtuner # make xtuner gcc -O2 -m486 -c xtuner.c -o xtuner.o In file included from xtuner.h:17, from xtuner.c:12: /usr/include/forms.h:968: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/forms.h:969: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/forms.h:970: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/forms.h:971: X11/keysym.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/forms.h:972: X11/Xresource.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/forms.h:2138: X11/cursorfont.h: No such file or directory In file included from xtuner.c:12: xtuner.h:21: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory xtuner.h:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory xtuner.h:23: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory xtuner.h:24: X11/Xresource.h: No such file or directory make: *** [xtuner.o] Error 1 My sys has : # locate libforms.a /home/deem/xforms/FORMS/libforms.a /usr/lib/libforms.a and /usr/include/forms.h Just wondering what the issue is ? Anyone got an idea on what's missing here ? Thanks Dee deem(a)wdm.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Root Cron Jobs do not run - HELP
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hello, its me again I can't seen to get cron jobs to run from root. I find the following references soewhat conflicting. Could someone please advise as to what I am doing wrong. SuSE Linux 5.1 page 157, Section 11.2, last paragraph ~~; additionally you must insert after the time setting, under which user the specific order should be handled. This is new! Please give me an example of what that means. SuSE Linux 5.1 page 276 Section 17.7 2nd paragraph ~~This can be done by editing the cron table via CRONTAB -E being 'root'; you should enter the following line: 7 05 * * * /usr,.... Command to run __________________________________________________________________ This is what I have done, while root, using the command crontab -e 0 8,23 * * * /usr/bin/saytime The problen is, it doesn't run and I get no cron messages at all. I have a cron job running as a user which get mail and it runs fine. It was also made using crontab -e. ___________________________________________________________________ Troubleshooting /etc/rc.config CRON=yes /sbin/init.d/boot # The following script is executed at boot-up and also from a # cron-entry # # in the early morning. So your system should be checked often # enough. # #if test -x /root/bin/cron.daily; then # # /root/bin/cron.daily # #fi # I have done all I can for now. Please advise as to how I can get root cron jobs to run. Thank you wayne -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Lou I had tried the logout route but it didn't help. Maybe just changing run levels would have done it but I am getting so used to rebooting (sigh) that it has become 2nd nature. Then again this was before I discovered SuSEconfig. Altho that doesn't work all the time either. Oh well wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 01:40:46PM -0500 In reply to:Luis A. Costabile Quoting Luis A. Costabile(luis(a)lac.resonet.com): > > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > compiled it , and installed via the mutt make file (/usr/local/bin). > > When I tried to run the new mutt I got an odd error, /usr/bin/mutt > > no such file or directory. Of course /usr/local/bin/mutt worked fine. > > On rebooting the system, the next day, mutt worked as expected. > > > > It seems like SuSE works differently then other distributions I am > > used to. As /usr/local/bin is in my path, I expected the program to > > Maybe the install script changed the PATH environment on you. Should not > need to reboot, maybe next time just try logging out and in to re-instate > your profile. > > > -- > Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 > <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> > To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. > > You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. > Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes > -- > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package question (SuSE)
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Thanks Carsten, I have commented both out in inetd.conf and tcpdchk no longer finds errors. Shouldn't YaST have taken care of that? wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package question (SuSE) Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 03:13:40PM +0100 In reply to:Carsten Hoeger Quoting Carsten Hoeger(choeger(a)suse.de): > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > Just found an interesting command, which is new to me, tcpdchk, it > > checks out the inetd file for errors. Mine ( from SuSE 5.1) seems to > > have a few errors that I wonder if SuSE might know about: > > > > > tcpdchk > > warning: /etc/inetd.conf, line 91: /usr/lib/xcept4/bin/ceptd: not > > found: No such file or directory > > warning: /etc/inetd.conf, line 99: in.midinetd: not found in > > /usr/sbin: No such file or directory > > > > > > As of now they are not affecting me (I don't think ?) but you never > > know. They are probably for some package I haven't loaded but thought > > Yast would handle that as part of the configuration administration(?). > > You can ignore these messages. > ceptd is used for btx (german: Bildschirmtext) > I don't know what midinet is for. :-) > You may comment it out. > > > Also found that there are no man pages or Info files for inetd.conf(5) and > > tlid.conf(5). I found this out while reading up on tcpdck. > > > > SuSE guys, are these available on your site somewhere?? > > take a look at 'man inetd'... > > mfG, > Carsten Hoeger > ------ > Carsten Hoeger - S.u.S.E. GmbH - Gebhardtstr. 2 - 90762 Fuerth - Germany > fax +49-911-3206727 web <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> > In no sense, nonsense... > -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

On 04-Feb-98 Chris Herrnberger wrote: > I had a similar problem with my monitor and the same card setup. What wroked > for me > was to reset the monitor (on) and having the resolutions set for 8@ 1280 > x1024, > 16@1024x767 24@same and 36@800x600. Note while I have the virtual desktop set > for > all modes it only works in the lower settings. There is still an slight > flicker in > the top left corner but some further tuning when I have some time will > hopefully > address this now minor irritation. Is it a flicker about 1/8" to 1/4" wide? This is what I have. Another question; why have you chosen 1024x767 instead of 1024x768? I know this seems petty, but it could mean something. --- Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> Artistic ventures highlighted. Rob a museum. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Hostname is incorrect
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hello Question on HOSTNAME. YaST - Configure FQHOSTNAME says hostname of the system (full name) if zero, and bootp is used above, bootp will also set the hostname (e.g. "riemann.suse.de" or "hugo.linux.de") don't forget to also edit /etc/hosts for your system /etc/rc.config FQHOSTNAME="mtntop.home.org" SuSE Linux 5.1 page 245 1st paragraph /etc/HOSTNAME (last sentence) This file is also automatically generated via settings in /etc/rc.config my /etc/HOSTNAME mtntop I discovered this while installing Qmail on this SuSE 5.1 system. What did I do wrong this time? wayne -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

On 04-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: >> >> However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the >> >> Rage II+ chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go >> >> flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the >> >> entire >> >> height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to >> > It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it > and >> > make sure that XFree is set up properly. >> >> Everything seems kosher; I picked the wrong card definition, I chose 3D >> >> My monitor documentation says 30-66 and 50-120 and works fine on 8bpp. If > > What server are you using and how are you setting it up. I don't have your > earlier post so I don't have the complete background on your problem. How do > you start the Xserver? Is you XFree setup within the monitor specs? As above, I used XF86_Mach64 but last night I found and tried XSuSE_Mach64, exactly the same thing (no surprise) > Sorry for the third degree on this, but it still sounds as if the monitor is > being over driven. At lower color depths a lower resolution is generally > used. Ask away! I use the same resolution, 1024x768 > setup and the corresponding resolutions I can't determine for sure if the > monitor is over driven. Do you have another OS like Windblows installed, > does > the video system work OK with it? It is possible that your monitor is going > south on you, that's why I ask about performance on another OS. Yes, it works as well as can be expected for Windogs. It's a brand new monitor. >> I played a bit with xvidtune, I figured if I shrunk the screen area it >> be hitting the monitor so hard, but that's not the case, no difference. > > It's possible that something is wrong here, but probably unlikely. Can I set it to some lower performance standard and expect at least a clear screen? > BTW, you might poke around the Linux Doc Project for video setup info, > somewhere I found a good document on it. I'll look and see if I can source I found the Video Timings HOWTO. It's very complex, and I don't necessarily see the answers in my monitor manual. There are a bunch of clock rates for EACH VESA resolution, which makes it tough to just type in what the clock rate is. --- Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> New members are urgently needed in the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Yourself. Apply within. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] smalltalk/X
by maylward＠sunny.gis.uwa.edu.au 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Greetings all, Has anyone used smalltalk/X from the cdrom on suae 5.1. I installed it with yast and "auto" dependencies, but when I start it with > gst or > gst_stix there is a mass of error messages about stuff in the BUILD directory not being found. Then "gc flipping" and a seg-fault. Does anyone have any ideas. I do not know smalltalk, but I need to learn Objective-C and smalltalk is recommended for a look due to similarities and a nice interface. Thanks in advance. Regards, matt -- Matt Aylward Dept of Geography (GIS) email: maylward(a)sunny.gis.uwa.edu.au Linux Lover and GIS Geek ..............LINUX..................... OS for the people by the people -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 05 Feb '98

05 Feb '98

Hubert Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your concern with the way I went about getting my prompt to work. I think I follow your reasoning except for the "pwd -P". I can't find any reference to the "-P" in regards to pwd. I may have done something correct in my .bash_profile because I do not see the same results as yu show. My running of your test yields the following. VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ cp FUNNY sad cp: FUNNY: No such file or directory VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ echo $? 1 VT5 wtopa-SuSE:~$ unset PS1 cp FUNNY sad cp: FUNNY: No such file or directory echo $? 1 Sorry about the lack of a prompt, you understand. As I view the above results, I do not see the problem occuring that prompted your concern, or have I mis-understood you? Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem? Date: Wed, Feb 04, 1998 at 06:58:37PM +0100 In reply to: Hubert SuSE-support Quoting Hubert > > > Hi, > > On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Luis A. Costabile wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > > If it DID over ride the one in /etc/profile I would not have written > > > the first message in this thread if the first place! My custom prompt > > > in .bash_profile DIDN't work, UNTIL I commented out the PROMPT_COMMAND > > > in /etc/profile. Did you read all the threaded messages??? > > > > I don't have all the right answers Wayne, and forgive me, I know there are > > some people who appreciate help. We're not all as efficient and thorough > > as you. > > Wayne's custom prompt only modified the PS1 variable. This is a dangerous > thing because it can fake the return value of commands when the prompt > contains a command itself. Let me explain: > > ---------- session log ------------------------------ > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > unset PROMPT_COMMAND > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > set | grep PS1 > PS1='\h:`pwd -P` > ' > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > cp emil otto > cp: emil: No such file or directory > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > echo $? > 0 > Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > unset PS1 > cp emil otto > cp: emil: No such file or directory > echo $? > 1 > ---------- session log ------------------------------ > > As long as PS1 is set using the pwd command, EVERY command seems to return > a 0 which means ok. But obviously the "cp" did fail, but the following pwd > succeeded, so we get the false return value. After unsetting the PS1 > variable, things work correctly. This is why we use the PROMPT_COMMAND > feature of the shell. > > Of course you can remove the PROMPT_COMMAND definition from /etc/profile > and define your own PS1 variable if you are used to do so. But you should > expect to get wrong results in certain cases. It's certainly better to > define your own PROMPT_COMMAND in .bash_profile. > > > Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 > > Hubert > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by bb＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Luis A. Costabile wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > > > YES!!!! Thanks Dee. Much appreciated. I had only to include the stuff > > to the right of the @. Time for a beer. One thing, when I run > > /sbin/SuSEconfig, it does not make the change but I have to reboot the > > system to get the FROM_HEADER change included. Is this a normal thing? > > Just call me curious. I thot that SuSEconfig was dynamic. > > Did you make a change to the sendmail.cf file? if so you just have to > give sendmail a kick in the pants, ie, kill -HUP number where > number=pid of sendmail, no need for reboot. 'killall -1 sendmail' will do the trick... : Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Problems installing new user
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hello Using SuSE 5.1 and following the instructions in the SuSE Linux 5.1 book, Page 291 Section 19.4, I installed a new user. Tried to log in the user. User could not log in. Ran SuSEconfig ( this was not in the book). User logged in but could not go to /home/usr, got permission denied. User was in /. Ran YaST to correct the problem. In User Admin. found user there. Tried to add detailed description of the user. There is no key to save that information. Tried help. No help on saving the info was found. Help did say to exit the password admin by using F6. YaST has no F6 Key shown. F6 key did nothing. Rebooted system again (sigh). Did not help. Ran Yast and deleted user. Used F4 to create user. User now can log in. Users directory contains 113 files. This is a minimumal install? I feel like I am a beta tester at this point. wayne -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RE: Sendmail Headache
by bb＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Lachlan Dunlop wrote: > > Hello again, > > I fixed my sendmail problem. > > Here is what I did I added a line > > Fw/etc/sendmail.cw > > I also remioved the line: > DMgatekeeper.patebonding.com > > sendmail.cw contains > patebonding.com > > Why am I posting?? It was interesting that in the sendmail.cf file created by > SuSEconfig had no reference to the sendmail.cw file. Is this no longer the > recommended way to define what domains sendmail is answering to?? . > endmail.cw is good if you have a lot of hostes you get mail for to your machine. And it's easy to create your own sendmail.cf by adding one line to the m4 makro file it is generated from. But the easiest (and well working) way is to put the names you will accept mail for in the variable SENDMAIL_LOCALHOST in rc.config. SuSEconfig will then add a DM line with all this hosts in your sendmail.cf automatically. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by netd＠fastrans.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

--------------84A8014DD4F159990CD43E84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hubert Mantel wrote: > > >Tom Schaefer wrote: > >That part needs to be made a tad more clear to the user/installer. For example, you should mention > > that with some sort of message "You have selected packages from the 2nd and 3rd CD sets, these will > > not be installed initially until after the system has been brought to init x (1 or 2?) and then you > > will be prompted for those CDs. Currently, the first CD is being used as a live file system and > > cannot be unmounted" > > Currently YaST says: > "You cannot switch media (e.g. CD) using this installation mode. Any > selected packages not presently accessible will be noted for later > installation." > I understand we should find a text which is better understandable.... Any > proposals? ;-) > Perhaps the current message is ok, and what is needed is flashing lights! How about a red flashing warning message!:-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hubert Mantel wrote: > YaST could determine the kernel itself based on the information about the modules the user has > loaded in linuxrc. > > Let the computer do the work I always say! > > > I think many "bugs" will turn out as "I'm not used to do it this way". > People in the USA are used to RedHat and Slackware. If something with > S.u.S.E. works in a different way, many people consider it a bug. This is > understandable. > Of course we do have bugs. And will ever have ;-) > > Hubert > I think you hit the nail on the head!;) -tks- --------------84A8014DD4F159990CD43E84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Hubert Mantel wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>></BLOCKQUOTE> >Tom Schaefer wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>>That part needs to be made a tad more clear to the user/installer. For example, you should mention > that with some sort of message "You have selected packages from the 2nd and 3rd CD sets, these will > not be installed initially until after the system has been brought to init x (1 or 2?) and then you > will be prompted for those CDs. Currently, the first CD is being used as a live file system and > cannot be unmounted" Currently YaST says: "You cannot switch media (e.g. CD) using this installation mode. Any elected packages not presently accessible will be noted for later installation." I understand we should find a text which is better understandable.... Any proposals? ;-) </BLOCKQUOTE> Perhaps the current message is ok, and what is needed is flashing lights! How about a red flashing warning message!:-) <HR WIDTH="100%">Hubert Mantel wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>YaST could determine the kernel itself based on the information about the modules the user has loaded in linuxrc. </BLOCKQUOTE> Let the computer do the work I always say! <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> I think many "bugs" will turn out as "I'm not used to do it this way". People in the USA are used to RedHat and Slackware. If something with S.u.S.E. works in a different way, many people consider it a bug. This is understandable. Of course we do have bugs. And will ever have ;-) Hubert </BLOCKQUOTE> I think you hit the nail on the head!;) -tks- </HTML> --------------84A8014DD4F159990CD43E84-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: Diald (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP 2.3.0 From OZ)
by netd＠fastrans.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Thrawn wrote: > Its a ZyXEL ISDN Extenal (dials like a modem(at command set)) It has full support for the at command set, and it is not much different than the stock 2.2 shipped with the kernel. I am not sure about how it does with ISDN ... or cable modems - I just know it works quite well with USRs, 28.8's and 33.6's. I have it on machines at <A HREF="http://netd.fastrans.net"><A HREF="http://netd.fastrans.net</A">http://netd.fastrans.net</A</A>>, a 33.6 conn, and at <A HREF="http://netd.evcom.net"><A HREF="http://netd.evcom.net</A">http://netd.evcom.net</A</A>> at 28.8 ... both machines are about 1500 miles apart ... -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by mantel＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi, On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Tom Schaefer wrote: > Hubert Mantel wrote: > > > There is no "real" reboot: Most of the > > installation process is done when linuxrc is running. YaST is executed > > directly off the CD. Because of that one cannot switch CDs whilst > > installing. After all packages from CD 1 are installed, the system > > completes its boot and starts the just installed base system. This is NO > > reboot, it's just finishing the first boot process. You can consider this > > "installing the system whilst booting it". > > Ub, right ... I understand the concept - that part is fine and executes well, but I have noticed > on some of the installs I have done with 5.0 qnd 5.1 - I didn't get the prompt for the 2nd or 3rd > CD. So maybe you didn't select any packages from CD 2 or 3? > That part needs to be made a tad more clear to the user/installer. For example, you should mention > that with some sort of message "You have selected packages from the 2nd and 3rd CD sets, these will > not be installed initially until after the system has been brought to init x (1 or 2?) and then you > will be prompted for those CDs. Currently, the first CD is being used as a live file system and > cannot be unmounted" Currently YaST says: "You cannot switch media (e.g. CD) using this installation mode. Any selected packages not presently accessible will be noted for later installation." I understand we should find a text which is better understandable.... Any proposals? ;-) > > There's only one case if you > > have partitioned your harddrive. > > Yes - that is good that you do a reboot here No, it's unnecessary in most cases. A reboot is ONLY needed if anything on the freshly partitioned drive is currently in use (a mounted partition or a used swap partition). We plan to detect this and avoid the reboot if we do not need it. Currently we just choosed the safe way. But if linuxrc asks you whether to reboot you can say "no" and start YaST over again. But currently you do this on your own risk ;-) > > To be on the safe side, we require a > > reboot to make sure the kernel gets its harddisk info right. This will be > > improved in the future. > > understood - BTW - the kernel selection screen needs a tad bit more information as well. I know > it's difficult to gen a series of goofproof kernels, all distributions suffer here. But I think as > long as the "canned" kernels are documented good, the user can at least get the system up and ready > to customize their own kernel. There's only one aspect which needs to be considered when choosing a kernel: It must support your SCSI adapter to allow mounting of the root file system. All other drivers are loaded as modules on demand. But we're working on making this even easier. YaST could determine the kernel itself based on the information about the modules the user has loaded in linuxrc. > > Why do we do it this way? Well, we are able to install on machines with > > only 4MB of RAM > > Then yours and Slackware are the only ones which can meet that requirement - as far as I have heard > anyway ... good job ... > > > (although our hardware requirements are 8MB due to > > problems with the kernel buffer cache code in earlier versions; but it > > does work with only 4MB of RAM). In order to install a S.u.S.E. system, > > you only need one single boot (from disk, CD or using loadlin). > > > > excellent - I have booted from CD, as well as diskette - both work fine > > > Thank you for your feedback, > > > > Hubert > > No problem! I think you guys are on the right track - just a few little "annoyances" and "bugs" > overall. You guys have elevated the standard where Linux distributions are concerned. Keep up the > good work. I think many "bugs" will turn out as "I'm not used to do it this way". People in the USA are used to RedHat and Slackware. If something with S.u.S.E. works in a different way, many people consider it a bug. This is understandable. Of course we do have bugs. And will ever have ;-) Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Diald (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP 2.3.0 From OZ)
by thrawn＠hub.org 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Its a ZyXEL ISDN Extenal (dials like a modem(at command set)) [------] UID: Thrawn EML: thrawn(a)hub.org -----Original Message----- From: Tom Schaefer <netd(a)fastrans.net> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com <suse-linux-e(a)suse.com> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP 2.3.0 From OZ > >Thrawn wrote: > >> I installed diald to automatically dial my ISP when there is a internet >> outbound packet going to the ppp0 device. > >You folks should take a look at ppp2.3.0. I have been using it for about a year >now, with various ISPs, with USR modems, and have had great success. It also >features some "diald-like" features. This thing stays lit, and will redial when >it senses a disconnect, etc.I had some problems with Hayes and older USR modems >though. If you have a recent USR modem, then this will work great. > >Note: In the below URL/directory, you'll see ppp2.3.3 - but I have had problems >with it. > >2.3.0 from these people seems to be a good stable release. > >All you have to do to make it work is to run a supplied merge script which >incorporates their source into the /usr/src/linux source tree, and then >configure and compile your kernel. > >They even supply dialup scripts and good docs. > ><A HREF="ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/"><A HREF="ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/</A">ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/</A</A>> > > > >-- >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by mantel＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi, On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Luis A. Costabile wrote: > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > If it DID over ride the one in /etc/profile I would not have written > > the first message in this thread if the first place! My custom prompt > > in .bash_profile DIDN't work, UNTIL I commented out the PROMPT_COMMAND > > in /etc/profile. Did you read all the threaded messages??? > > I don't have all the right answers Wayne, and forgive me, I know there are > some people who appreciate help. We're not all as efficient and thorough > as you. Wayne's custom prompt only modified the PS1 variable. This is a dangerous thing because it can fake the return value of commands when the prompt contains a command itself. Let me explain: ---------- session log ------------------------------ Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > unset PROMPT_COMMAND Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > set | grep PS1 PS1='\h:`pwd -P` > ' Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > cp emil otto cp: emil: No such file or directory Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > echo $? 0 Mandelbrot:/home/alex/mantel > unset PS1 cp emil otto cp: emil: No such file or directory echo $? 1 ---------- session log ------------------------------ As long as PS1 is set using the pwd command, EVERY command seems to return a 0 which means ok. But obviously the "cp" did fail, but the following pwd succeeded, so we get the false return value. After unsetting the PS1 variable, things work correctly. This is why we use the PROMPT_COMMAND feature of the shell. Of course you can remove the PROMPT_COMMAND definition from /etc/profile and define your own PS1 variable if you are used to do so. But you should expect to get wrong results in certain cases. It's certainly better to define your own PROMPT_COMMAND in .bash_profile. > Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Sendmail Headache
by luis＠lac.resonet.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Mike Hostetler wrote: > I'm not so sure that this is a sendmail problem. My theory is that > patebonding.com doesn't have their mx records set right. If it was your > sendmail configuration, you wouldn't be able to send mail to anywhere except > with a fully-qualified name. > > > 554 MX list for patebonding.com. points back to > > gatekeeper.patebonding.com > > 554 <eschmidt(a)patebonding.com>... Local configuration error patebonding.com preference = 0, mail exchanger =gatekeeper.patebonding.com patebonding.com preference = 100, mail exchanger = pop.ing.com patebonding.com nameserver = nam.ing.com patebonding.com nameserver = scream.ing.com gatekeeper.patebonding.com internet address = 206.147.212.125 pop.ing.com internet address = 209.46.63.2 nam.ing.com internet address = 209.46.63.1 scream.ing.com internet address = 209.46.63.6 Looks like MX records are ok. These say "Any mail for patebonding.com should go to the host gatekeeper, and if gatekeeper is not up, then send mail to pop.ing.com" Try putting in a "stock" copy of sendmail.cf -- Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by luis＠lac.resonet.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > YES!!!! Thanks Dee. Much appreciated. I had only to include the stuff > to the right of the @. Time for a beer. One thing, when I run > /sbin/SuSEconfig, it does not make the change but I have to reboot the > system to get the FROM_HEADER change included. Is this a normal thing? > Just call me curious. I thot that SuSEconfig was dynamic. Did you make a change to the sendmail.cf file? if so you just have to give sendmail a kick in the pants, ie, kill -HUP number where number=pid of sendmail, no need for reboot. -- Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] RE: Sendmail Headache
by lach＠lach.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hello again, I fixed my sendmail problem. Here is what I did I added a line Fw/etc/sendmail.cw I also remioved the line: DMgatekeeper.patebonding.com endmail.cw contains patebonding.com Why am I posting?? It was interesting that in the sendmail.cf file created by SuSEconfig had no reference to the sendmail.cw file. Is this no longer the recommended way to define what domains sendmail is answering to?? . Thanks, Lach -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Forcing Install of Programs to Certain Paths?
by barothwe＠cca.rockwell.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

-- Is there a way to force programs to install to a certain path? I don't have much room on my Linux root partition, so I need to create soft links to my dos partions for things such as my /home tree. I'd like to create /usr/apps tree and install packages there. -- Bruce Rothwell / barothwe(a)cca.rockwell.com / Cedar Rapids, IA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- My views don't necessarily represent the views of my employer. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C) it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is -greater-, for -each- violation. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by netd＠fastrans.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hubert Mantel wrote: > There is no "real" reboot: Most of the > installation process is done when linuxrc is running. YaST is executed > directly off the CD. Because of that one cannot switch CDs whilst > installing. After all packages from CD 1 are installed, the system > completes its boot and starts the just installed base system. This is NO > reboot, it's just finishing the first boot process. You can consider this > "installing the system whilst booting it". Ub, right ... I understand the concept - that part is fine and executes well, but I have noticed on some of the installs I have done with 5.0 qnd 5.1 - I didn't get the prompt for the 2nd or 3rd CD. That part needs to be made a tad more clear to the user/installer. For example, you should mention that with some sort of message "You have selected packages from the 2nd and 3rd CD sets, these will not be installed initially until after the system has been brought to init x (1 or 2?) and then you will be prompted for those CDs. Currently, the first CD is being used as a live file system and cannot be unmounted" > There's only one case if you > have partitioned your harddrive. Yes - that is good that you do a reboot here > To be on the safe side, we require a > reboot to make sure the kernel gets its harddisk info right. This will be > improved in the future. > understood - BTW - the kernel selection screen needs a tad bit more information as well. I know it's difficult to gen a series of goofproof kernels, all distributions suffer here. But I think as long as the "canned" kernels are documented good, the user can at least get the system up and ready to customize their own kernel. > Why do we do it this way? Well, we are able to install on machines with > only 4MB of RAM Then yours and Slackware are the only ones which can meet that requirement - as far as I have heard anyway ... good job ... > (although our hardware requirements are 8MB due to > problems with the kernel buffer cache code in earlier versions; but it > does work with only 4MB of RAM). In order to install a S.u.S.E. system, > you only need one single boot (from disk, CD or using loadlin). > excellent - I have booted from CD, as well as diskette - both work fine > Thank you for your feedback, > > Hubert No problem! I think you guys are on the right track - just a few little "annoyances" and "bugs" overall. You guys have elevated the standard where Linux distributions are concerned. Keep up the good work. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP 2.3.0 From OZ
by netd＠fastrans.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Thrawn wrote: > I installed diald to automatically dial my ISP when there is a internet > outbound packet going to the ppp0 device. You folks should take a look at ppp2.3.0. I have been using it for about a year now, with various ISPs, with USR modems, and have had great success. It also features some "diald-like" features. This thing stays lit, and will redial when it senses a disconnect, etc.I had some problems with Hayes and older USR modems though. If you have a recent USR modem, then this will work great. Note: In the below URL/directory, you'll see ppp2.3.3 - but I have had problems with it. 2.3.0 from these people seems to be a good stable release. All you have to do to make it work is to run a supplied merge script which incorporates their source into the /usr/src/linux source tree, and then configure and compile your kernel. They even supply dialup scripts and good docs. <A HREF="ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/"><A HREF="ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/</A">ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Sendmail Headache
by thehaas＠ravine.binary.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

> I have been hacking around for a while now, and the only way I can > send mail to people in the domain patebonding.com is with the fully qualified > domain name > xyz(a)gatekeeper.patebonding.com I'm not so sure that this is a sendmail problem. My theory is that patebonding.com doesn't have their mx records set right. If it was your sendmail configuration, you wouldn't be able to send mail to anywhere except with a fully-qualified name. > 554 MX list for patebonding.com. points back to > gatekeeper.patebonding.com > 554 <eschmidt(a)patebonding.com>... Local configuration error Aren't sendmail errors great? Does this mean local to patebonding or to your machine? I think that local means their end. I would forward your errors to postmaster(a)gatekeeper.patebonding.com. They should be interested. Be polite, though. - mikeh -- ============================================================================== || Mike Hostetler || || <A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas"><A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A">http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A</A>> || || email1: mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu || || email2: thehaas(a)binary.net || ============================================================================== || `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just || || stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, || || *for free*".' - Linus Torvalds || ============================================================================== -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by luis＠lac.resonet.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > If it DID over ride the one in /etc/profile I would not have written > the first message in this thread if the first place! My custom prompt > in .bash_profile DIDN't work, UNTIL I commented out the PROMPT_COMMAND > in /etc/profile. Did you read all the threaded messages??? I don't have all the right answers Wayne, and forgive me, I know there are some people who appreciate help. We're not all as efficient and thorough as you. -- Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] diald wont hang up
by thrawn＠hub.org 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

I installed diald to automatically dial my ISP when there is a internet outbound packet going to the ppp0 device. Problem is, it dials but wont hang up(not timing out and im using the default scripts and config file). According to the faq the only reason this would happen is a keepalive packet of sorts or a deamon sending information. So I used "tcpdump -i ppp0" to see if I can get some sort of results and kill that deamon. I found nothing, no packets going out. Then I saw something, the line droped, but it was my isp's idler kickoff so I thought I was good to go, id just depend on my ISP to kick me off. Wrong, diald when uh-oh, and dialed right back up again. any ideas? im out [------] UID: Thrawn EML: thrawn(a)hub.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by mantel＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi, On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Tom Schaefer wrote: [...] > That, and "fixing" the installer so that all packages are installed BEFORE a reboot would be > great! Yours is the only distribution that requires a reboot to finish the software load. Not > a good idea, even if it *seems* to work. :) This is not quite the case ;-) There is no "real" reboot: Most of the installation process is done when linuxrc is running. YaST is executed directly off the CD. Because of that one cannot switch CDs whilst installing. After all packages from CD 1 are installed, the system completes its boot and starts the just installed base system. This is NO reboot, it's just finishing the first boot process. You can consider this "installing the system whilst booting it". There's only one case if you have partitioned your harddrive. To be on the safe side, we require a reboot to make sure the kernel gets its harddisk info right. This will be improved in the future. Why do we do it this way? Well, we are able to install on machines with only 4MB of RAM (although our hardware requirements are 8MB due to problems with the kernel buffer cache code in earlier versions; but it does work with only 4MB of RAM). In order to install a S.u.S.E. system, you only need one single boot (from disk, CD or using loadlin). > Now from what I have seen of the previous comments your techs and devlopers have posted, your > initial reaction will be to dismiss my comments as "some inexperienced user - he just doesn't > know Yast" . Exactly. I don't, and I shouldn't have to. But I shouldn't have to try and > figure out what you guys are doing so I can "fix" around it either. I have a mantra for all > things computing: SIMPLIFY! You are perfectly right. We are working on that very hard. Your suggestions are very valuable and will not be ignored. > Don't get hung up on my criticisms, be willing to examine them in detail. Your distribution is > probably in the best position to make the biggest impact on the desktop. What would really be > a nice enhancement is to have a feature that installs a very small "just enough Unix to start > and run the machine" image. For example, in Slackware, I can select the A, AP, and N disk sets > and create a fully functional Linux system on a 50mb partition. Perhaps some guidance in your > docs or in Yast would be enough. > Perhaps you can create a "User Image" , "Server Image" , "Router Image" i.e image > personalities for different roles. There are lots of different system configurations including a minimal system. Also you have the possibility to install a demo system onto a DOS partition for evaluation purposes. You can even create your own profile and use it in order to install several similar machines. > "Have a lot of fun!" :) (And you know, the groan you just gave is exactly what I do when I > see that!) > > -tks- Thank you for your feedback, Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Sendmail Headache
by lach＠lach.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hello List, I have been hacking around for a while now, and the only way I can send mail to people in the domain patebonding.com is with the fully qualified domain name xyz(a)gatekeeper.patebonding.com endmail.cw as an entry patebonding.com I configured sendmail with Yast. Any input from an experienced eye would be appreciated :) gatekeeper.patebonding.com is the mail server for the domain patebonding.com. SuSE 5.0 Thanks Lach To: postmaster(a)gatekeeper.patebonding.com, root(a)gatekeeper.patebonding.com Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 9 lines Text 2 Shown 263 bytes Message 3 Shown 528 bytes Message, "test" 3.1 Shown 3 lines Text ---------------------------------------- The original message was received at Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:33:31 -0600 from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <eschmidt(a)patebonding.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 MX list for patebonding.com. points back to gatekeeper.patebonding.com 554 <eschmidt(a)patebonding.com>... Local configuration error [ Part 2: "Included Message" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; gatekeeper.patebonding.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:33:31 -0600 Final-Recipient: RFC822; eschmidt(a)patebonding.com Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; patebonding.com Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:33:32 -0600 [ Part 3: "Included Message" ] Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:33:30 -0600 (CST) From: root <root(a)gatekeeper.patebonding.com> To: eschmidt(a)patebonding.com Subject: test -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by exec＠prysm.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > tack on the "mperry" to outgoing email and it appears thus From: > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com. I would desire it to be for awhile > mperry(a)basin.com. I have this figured out with mutt and knews with no > emails. I hope this is not a sendmail.cf issue. I dont like reading It is "sort of" a sendmail.cf issue, but never fear. There is a "sendmail" directory under /etc on SuSE that has some interesting files in it. Read'm & weep. Just a matter of editing a simple text file saying that all mail from "june" should be sent as "june(a)foo.bar", then running SuSEconfig to make the changes stick. (Unfortunately I'm not at home where my SuSE lives, and Red Hat 4.2 hasn't anything so simple or easy, so I can't give you more detailed directions). Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Installation Suggestions
by pph128＠aix.zam.kfa-juelich.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi there, I also have been installing Suse 5.1, and I liked it very much. However, I have found some little things to be annoying, though the problems were relatively easy to overcome. First, and most important, is that I would like a virtual terminal already in the linuxrc phase of the install, so that I can check mounting points on another machine (in my case, the CD happened to be 3 minutes walking away, in another building). Second, please warn the user somewhat better that the suse scripts at the end of the install take a LONG time, and send an e-mail when finished. (It took more than an hour. No problem, since I could work at the same time, but, well, only because someone else warned me not to restart.) Third, when I repartioned the drive, and exited YaST, it took a fairly long time before the rebooting message came. My fingers were already searching for Ctrl-Alt-Del. A message "please wait a while" would be great. Fourth, not annoying and not an error, just a remark: I didn't find xpilot in the games popup menu of FVWM2, though Craft was. Does the rpm of the program have to be specially prepared for susewm? Or does Susewm looks for default programs (like TheNextLevel: m4 scripts for fvwm95)? A last remark, to all of you which haven't installed yet: in the book there is a quick install guide of tess than a page: I read it and it helps, since you know what to expect. The rest of the book can wait untill I have problems:-) Greetz, Leon -- ================================================================== Leon Widdershoven l.widdershoven(a)fz-juelich.de Institut fuer Plasmaphysik, Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH, D-52425 Juelich, Germany -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by netd＠fastrans.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

--------------1F337B1C5A13B8E6DFB8F576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I have been reading this list for only a few days, and I have found it extremely helpful and informative. Some observations and comments for both the SuSE techs/developers and the users: 1. I am happy overall with SuSE, and I have a subscription. I love the tonnage of applications, and the fact that you include so many different window managers into the distribution. I have recommened your distribution to others who have purchased and then thanked me for the recommendation. 2. I also have a subscription to Slackware. I am an old Slacker, since around Linux kernel .95 or something. 3. There is no perfect installation program, and where Linux is concerned, ALL distributions have some glaring installation problems. 4. Many of us have to deal with more than one operating system, and more than one Linux distribution. In my own personal research I have found that with Linux distributions, each distribution has its own set of strengths and weaknesses, which has caused me to assign my own little 'matrix' regarding distributions. SuSE comes in as my overall favorite because it can successfully fulfil two important roles for *me*: User Workstation, and Dialup Router. Slackware fulfils my requirements only for Server and Dialup Router. Slackware is great if you need an extremely small image size, such as a 50mb Linux-bootable partition for simply managing LILO! (I have 3 hard disks in my system and am triple boot. One 50mb bootable partition on my first SCSI drive is great for managing LILO, and for fixing my other Linux-bootable drive when I screw it up with experiments.) As far as other distributions are concerned, Caldera is nice, but does not have the tonnage of apps that SuSE has. RedHat - nice folks and we have them to thank for the RPM. We'll see what their latest release is like. I have a friend who is new to Linux and could not get their 5.0 product to install, yet he could get SuSE to install. 5. To SuSE techs/developers: Your product is rich in engineering. It is a classic case of "German engineering" - a compliment. However, there is much that needs to be simplified. In some cases, there is overkill and things are labyrinthian, but not so much that after digging one can figure out what is being done and for what reason. I haven't see a problem yet that you guys haven't been able to figure out and fix. However, this is time consuming. 6. While it is true that Yast is a very robust and thorough package management system, you have to realize that most of us do not trust automation unless it is something we have written ourselves! So our expectations are high for this product. I look at your startup/init scripts and I see that a lot of good work has gone into them. However, I believe that most of us have little enough time to learn the depths of Yast or the startup system. 7. I like the concept of the /etc/rc.config - good overall, but it has areas that need improvement. 8. Yast needs some improvements to really become the tool you want it to be. Some suggestions include: Re-do the front menu. I would like to see something like this: o Help o Index of all packages currently installed (should not require CD - this should be able to show me what I have on my system, rev levels etc.) o Choose Install packages - this should not require a CD - the list should be available, then prompt for the appropriate CD - this could combine the Update Packages function. o User Admin - this should be on the front menu o System Admin o Change Configuration File - I didn't initially realize how important this file is - it needs to be out front o Pre-Install: Lang / keymap / Install Source - Yast should guide into this from Choose Install packages o Hard Disk: Partition Mgmt / Target Partition - Yast should guide user here if not completed o Installation to a directory o Exit That, and "fixing" the installer so that all packages are installed BEFORE a reboot would be great! Yours is the only distribution that requires a reboot to finish the software load. Not a good idea, even if it *seems* to work. :) Now from what I have seen of the previous comments your techs and devlopers have posted, your initial reaction will be to dismiss my comments as "some inexperienced user - he just doesn't know Yast" . Exactly. I don't, and I shouldn't have to. But I shouldn't have to try and figure out what you guys are doing so I can "fix" around it either. I have a mantra for all things computing: SIMPLIFY! Don't get hung up on my criticisms, be willing to examine them in detail. Your distribution is probably in the best position to make the biggest impact on the desktop. What would really be a nice enhancement is to have a feature that installs a very small "just enough Unix to start and run the machine" image. For example, in Slackware, I can select the A, AP, and N disk sets and create a fully functional Linux system on a 50mb partition. Perhaps some guidance in your docs or in Yast would be enough. Perhaps you can create a "User Image" , "Server Image" , "Router Image" i.e image personalities for different roles. "Have a lot of fun!" :) (And you know, the groan you just gave is exactly what I do when I see that!) -tks- --------------1F337B1C5A13B8E6DFB8F576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Folks, I have been reading this list for only a few days, and I have found it extremely helpful and informative. Some observations and comments for both the SuSE techs/developers and the users: 1. I am happy overall with SuSE, and I have a subscription. I love the tonnage of applications, and the fact that you include so many different window managers into the distribution. I have recommened your distribution to others who have purchased and then thanked me for the recommendation. 2. I also have a subscription to Slackware. I am an old Slacker, since around Linux kernel .95 or something. 3. There is no perfect installation program, and where Linux is concerned, ALL distributions have some glaring installation problems. 4. Many of us have to deal with more than one operating system, and more than one Linux distribution. In my own personal research I have found that with Linux distributions, each distribution has its own set of strengths and weaknesses, which has caused me to assign my own little 'matrix' regarding distributions. <UL>SuSE comes in as my overall favorite because it can successfully fulfil two important roles for *me*: User Workstation, and Dialup Router. Slackware fulfils my requirements only for Server and Dialup Router. Slackware is great if you need an extremely small image size, such as a 50mb Linux-bootable partition for simply managing LILO! (I have 3 hard disks in my system and am triple boot. One 50mb bootable partition on my first SCSI drive is great for managing LILO, and for fixing my other Linux-bootable drive when I screw it up with experiments.)</UL> As far as other distributions are concerned, Caldera is nice, but does not have the tonnage of apps that SuSE has. RedHat - nice folks and we have them to thank for the RPM. We'll see what their latest release is like. I have a friend who is new to Linux and could not get their 5.0 product to install, yet he could get SuSE to install. 5. To SuSE techs/developers: Your product is rich in engineering. It is a classic case of "German engineering" - a compliment. However, there is much that needs to be simplified. In some cases, there is overkill and things are labyrinthian, but not so much that after digging one can figure out what is being done and for what reason. I haven't see a problem yet that you guys haven't been able to figure out and fix. However, this is time consuming. 6. While it is true that Yast is a very robust and thorough package management system, you have to realize that most of us do not trust automation unless it is something we have written ourselves! So our expectations are high for this product. I look at your startup/init scripts and I see that a lot of good work has gone into them. However, I believe that most of us have little enough time to learn the depths of Yast or the startup system. 7. I like the concept of the /etc/rc.config - good overall, but it has areas that need improvement. 8. Yast needs some improvements to really become the tool you want it to be. Some suggestions include: <UL>Re-do the front menu. I would like to see something like this:</UL> <UL> <UL> <LI> Help</LI> <LI> Index of all packages currently installed (should not require CD - this should be able to show me what I have on my system, rev levels etc.)</LI> <LI> Choose Install packages - this should not require a CD - the list should be available, then prompt for the appropriate CD - this could combine the Update Packages function.</LI> <LI> User Admin - this should be on the front menu</LI> <LI> System Admin</LI> <LI> Change Configuration File - I didn't initially realize how important this file is - it needs to be out front</LI> <LI> Pre-Install: Lang / keymap / Install Source - Yast should guide into this from Choose Install packages</LI> <LI> Hard Disk: Partition Mgmt / Target Partition - Yast should guide user here if not completed</LI> <LI> Installation to a directory</LI> <LI> Exit</LI> </UL> </UL> That, and "fixing" the installer so that all packages are installed BEFORE a reboot would be great! Yours is the only distribution that requires a reboot to finish the software load. Not a good idea, even if it *seems* to work. :) Now from what I have seen of the previous comments your techs and devlopers have posted, your initial reaction will be to dismiss my comments as "some inexperienced user - he just doesn't know Yast" . Exactly. I don't, and I shouldn't have to. But I shouldn't have to try and figure out what you guys are doing so I can "fix" around it either. I have a mantra for all things computing: SIMPLIFY! Don't get hung up on my criticisms, be willing to examine them in detail. Your distribution is probably in the best position to make the biggest impact on the desktop. What would really be a nice enhancement is to have a feature that installs a very small "just enough Unix to start and run the machine" image. For example, in Slackware, I can select the A, AP, and N disk sets and create a fully functional Linux system on a 50mb partition. Perhaps some guidance in your docs or in Yast would be enough. Perhaps you can create a "User Image" , "Server Image" , "Router Image" i.e image personalities for different roles. "Have a lot of fun!" :) (And you know, the groan you just gave is exactly what I do when I see that!) -tks- </HTML> --------------1F337B1C5A13B8E6DFB8F576-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: email domain and host names help
by mantel＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi, On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > > Well try /etc/rc.config and edit FROM_HEADER="" to FROM_HEADER="mperry(a)basin.com" > > That's another option to try at least. > > YES!!!! Thanks Dee. Much appreciated. I had only to include the stuff > to the right of the @. Time for a beer. One thing, when I run > /sbin/SuSEconfig, it does not make the change but I have to reboot the > system to get the FROM_HEADER change included. Is this a normal thing? > Just call me curious. I thot that SuSEconfig was dynamic. Yes it is dynamic. But sometimes the configuration of a running process is modified, and so this process needs to get notified about the changes. In this particular case, a "/sbin/init.d/sendmail reload" would have done the job, as sendmail didn't know that it's configuration had changed. Generally it is never necessary to reboot the system due to a change. If you modify your /etc/exports, you need to notify the NFS server that its configuration has changed ("/sbin/init.d/nfsserver stop; /sbin/init.d/nfsserver start" - oh, here we should add the "reload" feature which does exactly the same). If you want to be on the safe side, you could switch the system into runlevel 1 and back to runlevel 2 or 3 ("init 1" and "init 2"). But normally only some daemon needs to be restarted or notified when its configuration changed. > --Michael Perry-- > mperry(a)basin.com Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by mantel＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi, On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Rolf Haberrecker wrote: > > its own slrn 0943. I also am a bit puzzled about WABI and the file called > > /dev/zero (whatever in heck that is). > > > > Any enlightenment would be quite appreciated. > > chmod 666 /dev/zero > > should help. WABI does this during installation, but when your system is > upgraded and WABI doesn't get reinstalled, the permissions aren't set > correctly. /dev/zero is a problem. It should be 644 but WABI wants it 666. I consider this incorrect of WABI. If you change permissions to 666, please remember to make this change in /etc/permissions, too. Otherwise your change could be overwritten if you have "CHECK_PERMISSIONS=set" in your /etc/rc.config. > sincerly, > > Rolf Haberrecker Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by choeger＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, W.D. McKinney wrote: > > This did not seem to have any effect on slrn's email habit of prepending > > the hostname to my address. slrn 0943 likes to see my FROM: address as > > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com all the time. > > > > Thanks though. > > > > > > > Well try /etc/rc.config and edit FROM_HEADER="" to FROM_HEADER="mperry(a)basin.com" > That's another option to try at least. But don't forget to run SuSEconfig after that! mfG, Carsten Hoeger ------ Carsten Hoeger - S.u.S.E. GmbH - Gebhardtstr. 2 - 90762 Fuerth - Germany fax +49-911-3206727 web <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> In no sense, nonsense... -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by choeger＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > YES!!!! Thanks Dee. Much appreciated. I had only to include the stuff > to the right of the @. Time for a beer. One thing, when I run > /sbin/SuSEconfig, it does not make the change but I have to reboot the > system to get the FROM_HEADER change included. Is this a normal thing? > Just call me curious. I thot that SuSEconfig was dynamic. It may be necessary to restart sendmail... /sbin/init.d/sendmail stop /sbin/init.d/sendmail start mfG, Carsten Hoeger ------ Carsten Hoeger - S.u.S.E. GmbH - Gebhardtstr. 2 - 90762 Fuerth - Germany fax +49-911-3206727 web <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> In no sense, nonsense... -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by rolf＠suse.de 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

> its own slrn 0943. I also am a bit puzzled about WABI and the file called > /dev/zero (whatever in heck that is). > > Any enlightenment would be quite appreciated. chmod 666 /dev/zero hould help. WABI does this during installation, but when your system is upgraded and WABI doesn't get reinstalled, the permissions aren't set correctly. incerly, Rolf Haberrecker ##################################################################### # Rolf Haberrecker, M.A. S.u.S.E. GmbH fon +49-911-3247130 # # rolf(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 fax +49-911-3206727 # # <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/</A">http://www.suse.com/</A</A>> # ##################################################################### -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by deem＠wdm.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Michael Perry <mperry(a)basin.com> wrote: > > > > > > Well try /etc/rc.config and edit FROM_HEADER="" to FROM_HEADER="mperry(a)basin.com" > > That's another option to try at least. > > YES!!!! Thanks Dee. Much appreciated. I had only to include the stuff > to the right of the @. Time for a beer. One thing, when I run > /sbin/SuSEconfig, it does not make the change but I have to reboot the > system to get the FROM_HEADER change included. Is this a normal thing? > Just call me curious. I thot that SuSEconfig was dynamic. Not sure on that issue...BB got any help for us here ? Regards -Dee -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Michael I am getting to the same point as you are. I just can't use SuSE for anything, NOW, except a test bed. I could not recommend this version for production. As you are finding an upgrade, I am finding that even a new installation has too many unanswered questions. I find that there are too many things that are going wrong. I could not compile mutt with slang, why, the only slang library installed is aout! This on an ELF system. Yes, I could go and compile slang up myself (I've done it for Slackware) but why should I have to? My sendmail has quit working after using yast for various package loads. Why, well the sendmail.cf had changed but I still can't find out why. I enabled samba on Suse, then copied my working samba.conf from my Slackware working network. SuSE samba won't let the Win95 systems log in with out a password. Funny that, I have it configured for NO passwords. I switch back to Slackware and the Win95 systems log is fine. This might get better but too many things don't work that way "I" think they should. The re-boot thing really bugs me. Maybe I should disable SuSE from doing my sys admin. Then maybe I should mot use Yast. Then I wonder why I bought this anyway! To give credit where due. I do like the SuSE ET600 server better then the Xfree server. Hope you get your problems worked out. I will monitor the list but I will not be using SuSE as a production enviroment quite yet. I have to get back to work, can't spend so much time working out SuSE "funny" problems right now. Good Luck. Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound Date: Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 07:25:46PM -0800 In reply to:Michael Perry Quoting Michael Perry (mperry(a)basin.com): > > > I posted recently about problems I had with upgrading from SuSE 6.0 to 5.1 > and got a few responses primarily regarding issues with KDE. I would like > to thank th email followups for setting me straight. I would like to > address the inability of YAST to correctly identify key components or > applications previously installed in my system and then allow a package to > update itself over the existing version. I also am somewhat concerned > with the upgrade process wiping out files like /etc/profile and not making > copies of them whatsoever. I have found that generating a new .fvwm2rc > file has become downright dangerous lately; any changes I make at even a > minor level are not kept. As an example, I change knews to slrn and pine > to mutt and these changes are not kept. I found that with > netscape-communicator 4.04 rpm, that starting it with the -install switch > gets rid of module errors I get when starting it by typing netscape alone. > Each new .fvwm2rc rewrites this change back to the original. > > The continuing problems with mislinked libraries are rather perplexing > since these were libs I compiled on my own. With programs, I do not > understand why SuSE 5.1 upgrade would wipe out my compiled slrn 0943 with > its own slrn 0943. I also am a bit puzzled about WABI and the file called > /dev/zero (whatever in heck that is). > > Any enlightenment would be quite appreciated. > > And Bodo and SuSE list serving administrators... - email problems should > be over now. I apologize. We had some dns routing errors here that > are now resolved. > > -- > --Michael Perry-- > mperry(a)basin.com > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by mperry＠basin.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 08:50:49PM -0900, W.D. McKinney stated: > > Michael Perry <mperry(a)basin.com> wrote: > > > > Hi- > > > > This did not seem to have any effect on slrn's email habit of prepending > > the hostname to my address. slrn 0943 likes to see my FROM: address as > > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com all the time. > > > > Thanks though. > > > > > > > Well try /etc/rc.config and edit FROM_HEADER="" to FROM_HEADER="mperry(a)basin.com" > That's another option to try at least. YES!!!! Thanks Dee. Much appreciated. I had only to include the stuff to the right of the @. Time for a beer. One thing, when I run /sbin/SuSEconfig, it does not make the change but I have to reboot the system to get the FROM_HEADER change included. Is this a normal thing? Just call me curious. I thot that SuSEconfig was dynamic. > Regards > > -Dee > > > W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com > No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by deem＠wdm.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Don't forget to run SuSEconfig from root also after editing. -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by deem＠wdm.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Michael Perry <mperry(a)basin.com> wrote: > > Hi- > > This did not seem to have any effect on slrn's email habit of prepending > the hostname to my address. slrn 0943 likes to see my FROM: address as > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com all the time. > > Thanks though. > > Well try /etc/rc.config and edit FROM_HEADER="" to FROM_HEADER="mperry(a)basin.com" That's another option to try at least. Regards -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by mperry＠basin.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 08:27:11PM -0900, W.D. McKinney stated: > > Michael Perry <mperry(a)basin.com> wrote: > > > > Hi- > > > > I have had to make some changes due to dns routing issues. Here is my > > situation. I have a custom domain name called basin.com which resides on > > a local ISP called znet. They also give me POP and smtp support by a > > reflected basin.com account which is an alias to their smtp and pop email > > handlers. My hostname here is mperry. This means that programs like slrn > > tack on the "mperry" to outgoing email and it appears thus From: > > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com. I would desire it to be for awhile > > mperry(a)basin.com. I have this figured out with mutt and knews with no > > problem. I had to recompile knews and tell it what to use. I would like > > to bend slrn to my desire though :) and drop the hostname in outgoing > > emails. I hope this is not a sendmail.cf issue. I dont like reading > > stuff that looks like mathmatical expressions. > > > > Can anyone help? > > > Michael, > > I use Ishmail, a $ GUI mail client, and one that works well. > In /etc/rc.config edit the field FQHOSTNAME= to say FQHOSTNAME="basin.com" > and that should help. Hi- This did not seem to have any effect on slrn's email habit of prepending the hostname to my address. slrn 0943 likes to see my FROM: address as mperry(a)mperry.basin.com all the time. Thanks though. > -Regards > Dee > > > W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com > No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by deem＠wdm.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Michael Perry <mperry(a)basin.com> wrote: > > Hi- > > I have had to make some changes due to dns routing issues. Here is my > situation. I have a custom domain name called basin.com which resides on > a local ISP called znet. They also give me POP and smtp support by a > reflected basin.com account which is an alias to their smtp and pop email > handlers. My hostname here is mperry. This means that programs like slrn > tack on the "mperry" to outgoing email and it appears thus From: > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com. I would desire it to be for awhile > mperry(a)basin.com. I have this figured out with mutt and knews with no > problem. I had to recompile knews and tell it what to use. I would like > to bend slrn to my desire though :) and drop the hostname in outgoing > emails. I hope this is not a sendmail.cf issue. I dont like reading > stuff that looks like mathmatical expressions. > > Can anyone help? Michael, I use Ishmail, a $ GUI mail client, and one that works well. In /etc/rc.config edit the field FQHOSTNAME= to say FQHOSTNAME="basin.com" and that should help. -Regards Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by fpawlak＠execpc.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On Feb 3, 11:31pm, Jonathan Markevich wrote: > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server > > > On 03-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > > >> However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the Rage > > II+ > >> chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go to 16 bpp I see a > >> flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the > >> entire > >> height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to > >> work > >> great in 8bpp with the exception of xfmail and Netscape FLOPPING around > > colors > >> like MAD!!! (argh!) > >> > > It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it and > > make sure that XFree is set up properly. > > Everything seems kosher; I picked the wrong card definition, I chose 3D > Xpression whereas the 3D Rage II+ (Internal) was just on the next screen. No > difference, from what I see. > > My monitor documentation says 30-66 and 50-120 and works fine on 8bpp. If this > was happening in Wingdings I would say it's a buggy video driver. I don't know > what it is now... What server are you using and how are you setting it up. I don't have your earlier post so I don't have the complete background on your problem. How do you start the Xserver? Is you XFree setup within the monitor specs? Sorry for the third degree on this, but it still sounds as if the monitor is being over driven. At lower color depths a lower resolution is generally used. That is a general statement. Typically as you increase the color depth you increase the res. Again this is not always the case, but without knowing your setup and the corresponding resolutions I can't determine for sure if the monitor is over driven. Do you have another OS like Windblows installed, does the video system work OK with it? It is possible that your monitor is going south on you, that's why I ask about performance on another OS. I'll be more attentive to your future posts in hopes of being some help. > I played a bit with xvidtune, I figured if I shrunk the screen area it wouldn't > be hitting the monitor so hard, but that's not the case, no difference. It's possible that something is wrong here, but probably unlikely. BTW, you might poke around the Linux Doc Project for video setup info, somewhere I found a good document on it. I'll look and see if I can source it and post it. Something seems strange, of all the problems I had when I started using UNIX video was one of the least. Probably my dumb luck and of course millage varies a lot. Good Luck Frank > Any other ideas? > > --- > Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> > > There *____is* intelligent life on Earth, but I leave for Texas on Monday. > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >-- End of excerpt from Jonathan Markevich -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] email domain and host names help
by mperry＠basin.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Hi- I have had to make some changes due to dns routing issues. Here is my situation. I have a custom domain name called basin.com which resides on a local ISP called znet. They also give me POP and smtp support by a reflected basin.com account which is an alias to their smtp and pop email handlers. My hostname here is mperry. This means that programs like slrn tack on the "mperry" to outgoing email and it appears thus From: mperry(a)mperry.basin.com. I would desire it to be for awhile mperry(a)basin.com. I have this figured out with mutt and knews with no problem. I had to recompile knews and tell it what to use. I would like to bend slrn to my desire though :) and drop the hostname in outgoing emails. I hope this is not a sendmail.cf issue. I dont like reading stuff that looks like mathmatical expressions. Can anyone help? -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Package install requires re-boot
by netd＠fastrans.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > Tom > > Thanks but that isn't it. Ldconfig is used to set up the path to > the system libraries. I didn't load a new library for mutt so no need > for ldconfig. Just for kicks tey this: ldconfig -v > my.libs > That will put a list of all your system libraries in my.libs. Also > take a look at /etc/ld.so.conf. If you happen to add a lib and > ldconfig doesn/t find it, add the path to that new lib to ld.so.conf > and run ldconfig again. Now your cooking! Also do man ldconfig for > all the REAL scoop. > > Thanks again Tom. > > Wayne thanks for the tips!-tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by chris123＠netcom.ca 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Sorry I forgot to add one more thing. I have a KTX monitor (read cheap 17"r) This one needs to be set to the factory defaults in adjustments/settings in win95 mode to work properly under exfree. Then 950f the flicker is gone. What the relationship is here I have absolutely no clue, but it works for me. Chris Herrnberger wrote: > I had a similar problem with my monitor and the same card setup. What wroked for me > was to reset the monitor (on) and having the resolutions set for 8@ 1280 x1024, > 16@1024x767 24@same and 36@800x600. Note while I have the virtual desktop set for > all modes it only works in the lower settings. There is still an slight flicker in > the top left corner but some further tuning when I have some time will hopefully > address this now minor irritation. > > Chris > > Jonathan Markevich wrote: > > > On 03-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > > > > >> However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the Rage > > > II+ > > >> chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go to 16 bpp I see a > > >> flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the > > >> entire > > >> height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to > > >> work > > >> great in 8bpp with the exception of xfmail and Netscape FLOPPING around > > > colors > > >> like MAD!!! (argh!) > > >> > > > It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it and > > > make sure that XFree is set up properly. > > > > Everything seems kosher; I picked the wrong card definition, I chose 3D > > Xpression whereas the 3D Rage II+ (Internal) was just on the next screen. No > > difference, from what I see. > > > > My monitor documentation says 30-66 and 50-120 and works fine on 8bpp. If this > > was happening in Wingdings I would say it's a buggy video driver. I don't know > > what it is now... > > > > I played a bit with xvidtune, I figured if I shrunk the screen area it wouldn't > > be hitting the monitor so hard, but that's not the case, no difference. > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > --- > > Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> > > > > There *____is* intelligent life on Earth, but I leave for Texas on Monday. > > > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by chris123＠netcom.ca 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

I had a similar problem with my monitor and the same card setup. What wroked for me was to reset the monitor (on) and having the resolutions set for 8@ 1280 x1024, 16@1024x767 24@same and 36@800x600. Note while I have the virtual desktop set for all modes it only works in the lower settings. There is still an slight flicker in the top left corner but some further tuning when I have some time will hopefully address this now minor irritation. Chris Jonathan Markevich wrote: > On 03-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > > >> However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the Rage > > II+ > >> chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go to 16 bpp I see a > >> flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the > >> entire > >> height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to > >> work > >> great in 8bpp with the exception of xfmail and Netscape FLOPPING around > > colors > >> like MAD!!! (argh!) > >> > > It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it and > > make sure that XFree is set up properly. > > Everything seems kosher; I picked the wrong card definition, I chose 3D > Xpression whereas the 3D Rage II+ (Internal) was just on the next screen. No > difference, from what I see. > > My monitor documentation says 30-66 and 50-120 and works fine on 8bpp. If this > was happening in Wingdings I would say it's a buggy video driver. I don't know > what it is now... > > I played a bit with xvidtune, I figured if I shrunk the screen area it wouldn't > be hitting the monitor so hard, but that's not the case, no difference. > > Any other ideas? > > --- > Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> > > There *____is* intelligent life on Earth, but I leave for Texas on Monday. > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

On 03-Feb-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: >> However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the Rage > II+ >> chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go to 16 bpp I see a >> flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the >> entire >> height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to >> work >> great in 8bpp with the exception of xfmail and Netscape FLOPPING around > colors >> like MAD!!! (argh!) >> > It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it and > make sure that XFree is set up properly. Everything seems kosher; I picked the wrong card definition, I chose 3D Xpression whereas the 3D Rage II+ (Internal) was just on the next screen. No difference, from what I see. My monitor documentation says 30-66 and 50-120 and works fine on 8bpp. If this was happening in Wingdings I would say it's a buggy video driver. I don't know what it is now... I played a bit with xvidtune, I figured if I shrunk the screen area it wouldn't be hitting the monitor so hard, but that's not the case, no difference. Any other ideas? --- Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> There *____is* intelligent life on Earth, but I leave for Texas on Monday. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Package install requires re-boot
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

Tom Thanks but that isn't it. Ldconfig is used to set up the path to the system libraries. I didn't load a new library for mutt so no need for ldconfig. Just for kicks tey this: ldconfig -v > my.libs That will put a list of all your system libraries in my.libs. Also take a look at /etc/ld.so.conf. If you happen to add a lib and ldconfig doesn/t find it, add the path to that new lib to ld.so.conf and run ldconfig again. Now your cooking! Also do man ldconfig for all the REAL scoop. Thanks again Tom. Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Package install requires re-boot Date: Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 03:51:42PM -0500 In reply to:Tom Schaefer Quoting Tom Schaefer (netd(a)fastrans.net): > > > Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > WHY does loading of packages or files with or without YaST, REQUIRE > > that the system be RE-BOOTED??? > > Not a SuSE expert here, or even a LInux expert, but I have noticed that a few > packages require a lib file update of some kind, using ldconfig - is that > true? ldconfig is run automatically on boot up, and I noticed Slack and some > of the others do this also. Perhaps all he needs to do is ldconfig to update > the libs?Please educate/correct me if I'm wrong. :) > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] EArlier problems - some solutions; still questions abound
by mperry＠basin.com 04 Feb '98

04 Feb '98

I posted recently about problems I had with upgrading from SuSE 6.0 to 5.1 and got a few responses primarily regarding issues with KDE. I would like to thank th email followups for setting me straight. I would like to address the inability of YAST to correctly identify key components or applications previously installed in my system and then allow a package to update itself over the existing version. I also am somewhat concerned with the upgrade process wiping out files like /etc/profile and not making copies of them whatsoever. I have found that generating a new .fvwm2rc file has become downright dangerous lately; any changes I make at even a minor level are not kept. As an example, I change knews to slrn and pine to mutt and these changes are not kept. I found that with netscape-communicator 4.04 rpm, that starting it with the -install switch gets rid of module errors I get when starting it by typing netscape alone. Each new .fvwm2rc rewrites this change back to the original. The continuing problems with mislinked libraries are rather perplexing since these were libs I compiled on my own. With programs, I do not understand why SuSE 5.1 upgrade would wipe out my compiled slrn 0943 with its own slrn 0943. I also am a bit puzzled about WABI and the file called /dev/zero (whatever in heck that is). Any enlightenment would be quite appreciated. And Bodo and SuSE list serving administrators... - email problems should be over now. I apologize. We had some dns routing errors here that are now resolved. -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. pronunciation
by jmarkevich＠mindless.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

> > I like your approach, Gordy :) We like to leave lots of latitude, too. > Before we opened up the US office I did a poll with friends to ask them > how they would say the name so as to give me some guidance. Well, it was > no help at all b/c I got 4-5 different pronunciations with almost no > regularity to it. I personally say "SUE-zeh" but I encourage everyone to > say just what rolls off of their tongues! > > At least YaST is a little easier... ;) Does anyone else here pronounce YaST like "mangrove throat-warbler"? --- Jonathan Markevich <jmarkevich(a)mindless.com> "Today, of course, it is considered very poor taste to use the F-word except in major motion pictures." -- Dave Barry, "$#$%#^%!^%&@%@!" -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Package install requires re-boot
by netd＠fastrans.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

> Wayne Topa wrote: > > WHY does loading of packages or files with or without YaST, REQUIRE > that the system be RE-BOOTED??? Not a SuSE expert here, or even a LInux expert, but I have noticed that a few packages require a lib file update of some kind, using ldconfig - is that true? ldconfig is run automatically on boot up, and I noticed Slack and some of the others do this also. Perhaps all he needs to do is ldconfig to update the libs?Please educate/correct me if I'm wrong. :) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Package install requires re-boot
by bb＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Bodo Bauer wrote: Hi, just an idea - is your system time correct? If your system runs in the past, that means your time is much before the time we packed the CD, strange things may happen... Ciao, BB > Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > Bodo > > > > I just loaded up the "easy" package as I required ginstall for a > > tar.gz package compile. After yast finished loading the package I > > used your hint go check what files contained ginstall (F2 Search). > > It found easy and also another package ( forgot the name ) BUT > > the file in THAT package was genstall NOT ginstall. Somehow the > > search found a mis-spelled word. Thought you might want to check > > that. > > Thanks for the Hint, I think we get this fixed on the next release... > > > > > When I exited YaST, it ran SuSEconfig ( as usual) and then finished. > > I then tried to get on the net to get my email. I couldn't. ppp-up > > did not run pppd. Thought I would check everything and all looked OK > > so I rebooted the system. ppp-up works fine now. > > > > Bodo, this HAS to be fixed. WHY does loading of packages or files > > with or without YaST, REQUIRE that the system be RE-BOOTED??? As > > I have said this on the list before I don't think that it would good for > > SuSE for me to keep repeating it. But I have NEVER received an answer > > from you guys as to what or why this is happening. > > > > I have received other mail from people on the list who are wanting > > to know the answer as well. Please, for SuSE's sake, post an answer > > to this problem on the list! This is not a very good thing to just > > forget about. > > I asked our german office if they know about the problem. Nobody > had heard something about this. But let's try to get closer to > the problem. Is realy a reboot needed? Can you try to switch to > runlevel 1 and back to 2 (init 1 ; init 2 ) and see if this helps? > > With which packets do you get this problem? I can't reproduce > the error here... :-(( > > -- > Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 > 7873 > bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 > 7875 > http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Package install requires re-boot
by bb＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Wayne Topa wrote: > > Bodo > > I just loaded up the "easy" package as I required ginstall for a > tar.gz package compile. After yast finished loading the package I > used your hint go check what files contained ginstall (F2 Search). > It found easy and also another package ( forgot the name ) BUT > the file in THAT package was genstall NOT ginstall. Somehow the > search found a mis-spelled word. Thought you might want to check > that. Thanks for the Hint, I think we get this fixed on the next release... > > When I exited YaST, it ran SuSEconfig ( as usual) and then finished. > I then tried to get on the net to get my email. I couldn't. ppp-up > did not run pppd. Thought I would check everything and all looked OK > so I rebooted the system. ppp-up works fine now. > > Bodo, this HAS to be fixed. WHY does loading of packages or files > with or without YaST, REQUIRE that the system be RE-BOOTED??? As > I have said this on the list before I don't think that it would good for > SuSE for me to keep repeating it. But I have NEVER received an answer > from you guys as to what or why this is happening. > > I have received other mail from people on the list who are wanting > to know the answer as well. Please, for SuSE's sake, post an answer > to this problem on the list! This is not a very good thing to just > forget about. I asked our german office if they know about the problem. Nobody had heard something about this. But let's try to get closer to the problem. Is realy a reboot needed? Can you try to switch to runlevel 1 and back to 2 (init 1 ; init 2 ) and see if this helps? With which packets do you get this problem? I can't reproduce the error here... :-(( -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by bb＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

> > Is this a bug in the Mach64 server? Should I be using the Mach64 server? Is > > there some other kind of setting I should use? Is it a configuration > problem? > > It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it and > make sure that XFree is set up properly. Yes it seems to be a monitor problem. Start X and use xvidtune to play around with different syncrates. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Bubba Gump Gimp 99.17
by netd＠fastrans.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Thomas Fehr wrote: > I have been urged to provide a version 0.99.17 of gimp because of > instabilities and bugs in 0.99.15 ;-). Gimp is a too big package to perform > a complete test for every release. Usually I install the new version, > try to load, change and save some files in different file formats. > If this things seem to be ok, I make a new version available. > I understand completely > If I refuse to make the newest version available everyone will ask > me for the new version, because he thinks a new version will save > all his problems. ;) > Gimp is really a large powerful piece of software. > Such packages will always have some new bugs in a new release. > Of course ... such is the nature of things ... > If you do not have access to a S.u.S.E. CD you can get xdelta > from: > > <A HREF="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/5.1/suse/ap1/xdelta.rpm"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/5.1/suse/ap1/xdelta.rpm</A">ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/5.1/suse/ap1/xdelta.rpm</A</A>> > Fixed - that did the trick ... thanks -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Bubba Gump Gimp 99.17
by fehr＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Hi, On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Tom Schaefer wrote: > > I downloaded the gimp.rpm & gtk.rpm from ftp.suse.com last nite and I > have it installed, however, I have a few problems. > > Check these error messages: > > # gimp & > [1] 540 > parsing "/root/.gimp/gtkrc" > parsing "/usr/share/gimp/gimprc" > parsing "/root/.gimp/gimprc" > # parsing "/root/.gimp/pluginrc" > query plug-in: "/usr/lib/gimp/0.99.17/plug-ins/xd" It seems you did not install the shared library libxdelta. It is contained in the package xdelta.rpm ("Binary delta generator and RCS replacement"). It is in the Series ap on the first CD. > /usr/lib/gimp/0.99.17/plug-ins/xd: can't load library 'libxdelta.so.0' > wire_read: unexpected EOF > writing "/root/.gimp/pluginrc" > Starting extensions: extension_script_fu > > Now, at this point, gimp loads and appears to run fine, however, file > operations are a bit tricky. I have seen it crash and appears much more > unstable than .15. > I have been urged to provide a version 0.99.17 of gimp because of instabilities and bugs in 0.99.15 ;-). Gimp is a too big package to perform a complete test for every release. Usually I install the new version, try to load, change and save some files in different file formats. If this things seem to be ok, I make a new version available. If I refuse to make the newest version available everyone will ask me for the new version, because he thinks a new version will save all his problems. Gimp is really a large powerful piece of software. Such packages will always have some new bugs in a new release. > I re-installed the gtk.rpm (-i --force --hash) and it appears to install > ok, and forcing gimp.rpm - (-i --force --hash) to install as well. > > I ran ldconfig also after the install.. (?) > > Just so you know, I have already previously attempted to install the > latest release of gimp from gimp.org. .18 is miserable to work with. > Could not get all of it to compile - something about the plugins not > having all the necessary files etc. I have done my best to cleanse my I compiled gimp 0.99.18 just today and did not have any problems. > system of all of it, but again, things are not installed in a simple > manner, shit is scattered all over the file system. (Is it so difficult > to keep things in a simple directory tree? ). So I believe I installed > the rpm into a "clean" environment but am not certain. Yes I deleted > the ~/.gimp and .gimprc files before installing and running gimp. > > Where do I get that libxdelta.so.0? Perhaps it's not the real problem? It should no have any thing to do with the instabilities of the new version. If you do not have access to a S.u.S.E. CD you can get xdelta from: <A HREF="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/5.1/suse/ap1/xdelta.rpm"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/5.1/suse/ap1/xdelta.rpm</A">ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/5.1/suse/ap1/xdelta.rpm</A</A>> bye, Thomas Fehr --- Thomas Fehr, S.u.S.E. GmbH, Gebhardtstr. 2, 90762 Fuerth, Germany Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-3206727, Email: fehr(a)suse.de PGP public Key available. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by exec＠prysm.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, gman wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I believe that the SyQuest SparQ is the better deal. > Are you currently using a SparQ? If so, is there anything special other that > the "compile in the IDE Floppy support" recommendation below. Nope, nothing special. Just stick a cart in the drive, boot up into your BIOS setup screen, and tell it about your new hard drive. Then Linux will discover it quite okay. Do note that Linux won't let you eject a mounted disk! (Just like it won't let you eject a mounted CD-ROM). SparQ carts come pre-formatted for Windows 95. To use them under Linux, either mount them as 'vfat' or go into fdisk and change the partition type to 83. Then do an mkfs -text2 /dev/hdx on it (where 'x' is whatever drive it was assigned to). Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Bubba Gump Gimp 99.17
by netd＠fastrans.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

I downloaded the gimp.rpm & gtk.rpm from ftp.suse.com last nite and I have it installed, however, I have a few problems. Check these error messages: # gimp & [1] 540 parsing "/root/.gimp/gtkrc" parsing "/usr/share/gimp/gimprc" parsing "/root/.gimp/gimprc" # parsing "/root/.gimp/pluginrc" query plug-in: "/usr/lib/gimp/0.99.17/plug-ins/xd" /usr/lib/gimp/0.99.17/plug-ins/xd: can't load library 'libxdelta.so.0' wire_read: unexpected EOF writing "/root/.gimp/pluginrc" Starting extensions: extension_script_fu Now, at this point, gimp loads and appears to run fine, however, file operations are a bit tricky. I have seen it crash and appears much more unstable than .15. I re-installed the gtk.rpm (-i --force --hash) and it appears to install ok, and forcing gimp.rpm - (-i --force --hash) to install as well. I ran ldconfig also after the install.. (?) Just so you know, I have already previously attempted to install the latest release of gimp from gimp.org. .18 is miserable to work with. Could not get all of it to compile - something about the plugins not having all the necessary files etc. I have done my best to cleanse my system of all of it, but again, things are not installed in a simple manner, shit is scattered all over the file system. (Is it so difficult to keep things in a simple directory tree? ). So I believe I installed the rpm into a "clean" environment but am not certain. Yes I deleted the ~/.gimp and .gimprc files before installing and running gimp. Where do I get that libxdelta.so.0? Perhaps it's not the real problem? Thanks -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by mantel＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Hi, On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > OK, I will put the SuSE kernel in the Slackware / dir. Have never had > to do this before. Will it work if I just call the inage suseimage > and have lilo load that? If that works it would be just as good as > having the kernel where it should be. Except if I up-grade I'll have > to remember to move the new kernel to Slackware. NO BIG DEAL tho You'll have to modify /etc/lilo.conf manually, because some defaults do not apply in this case. Just do the following: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt (assuming /dev/hda1 is the slackware root) mkdir /mnt/boot-suse (or whatever directory you like) cp /vmlinuz /mnt/boot-suse cp /boot/boot.b /mnt/boot-suse Now edit /etc/lilo.conf thus: boot=/dev/hda read-only timeout=100 install=/mnt/boot-suse/boot.b map=/mnt/boot-suse/map image=/mnt/vmlinuz (the location of the slackware kernel) root=/dev/hda1 label=slackware image=/mnt/boot-suse/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 label=suse Now run lilo and you should be able to switch between the systems. You need to use the same paths in your lilo.conf as your boot-partition is mounted to. The above setup works this way: Tell lilo to install in the MBA (this is boot=/dev/hda) Tell lilo where to find its second stage loader (this is boot.b and we have made sure it is on a partition below cylinder 1024). We could use the line "install=/mnt/boot/boot.b" IF slackware has the second stage loader in /boot also AND IF slackware uses the same LILO-version as S.u.S.E. Tell lilo to store its map file on the partition which is below Cyl 1024. The image sections tell lilo where to find the kernel images to load. They are on a partition below cyl. 1024, too. It doesn't matter where you mount your slackware partition in order to install lilo. But the paths need to be same you specify in /etc/lilo.conf, of course. When lilo is installed, it calculates the physical positions of all the files needed for booting and stores this information in its map file. When actually booting, partitions or filesystems don't matter. LILO just loads the sectors specified in its map file. Therefore you could store all the files of the boot machinery on a DOS partition, too. All this is necessary because of the history of the PC. Hardware manufacturers are doing lots of tricks in order to avoid these problems. For example an Adaptec 2940 can be configured to use so-called "extended translation". In this case, the SCSI-BIOS fakes the geometry and reports only 600 cylinders but 64 heads instead of the true geometry which might be 2400 cylinders and 16 heads. This can lead to other sorts of trouble when you are using multiple OSs and one of them recognizes the translation and the other doesn't ;-) I really recommend the excellent LILO documentation of Werner Almesberger in /usr/doc/packages/lilo, which should be easy for you to read because it's in english. Under X, just type "xdvi /usr/doc/packages/lilo/user.dvi" Using lots of pictures, the fundamentals are explained very good. > > I think you mean 'Tschuess'... :-)) > > > What I tried to say is the southern German word for "see you later" > no, that was "groos gott". I never knew how to spell it so I will go > with Tschuess. Gee, Ciao is shorter to type, isn't it! Yes. And the Italians will understand it, too ;-) Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. pronunciation
by jgray＠suse.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Hi! I like your approach, Gordy :) We like to leave lots of latitude, too. Before we opened up the US office I did a poll with friends to ask them how they would say the name so as to give me some guidance. Well, it was no help at all b/c I got 4-5 different pronunciations with almost no regularity to it. I personally say "SUE-zeh" but I encourage everyone to say just what rolls off of their tongues! At least YaST is a little easier... ;) Happy pronouncing! James Gray > Hi- " Just say Suzy, and get on with it..." > A year or two ago there was a lot of discussion about whether Linux > was pronounced like Linus T. does it, (LEE-nooks) or whether it would be > more like the English "Linus", but I've heard almost no discussion of > this > lately; everyone seems to have gotten past it. LYE-nux is pretty much > IT, > for North Americans, anyway, with a few holdouts for Lennox, or whatever. > [ and if you read this mailbag for a week or so, you begin to realize > that > the Proper pronunciation should probably be LOO-nix, short for > Lunatix...] > But, I digress-- I think, for my 50 bucks, S.u.S.E. is SUZY, or > Susie, > which are the same. The Germans (and God bless them, I'm 3/4 German) > can say it however they'd like to. We all say and spell telephone a > little differently, but no one argues about it. And remember, SuSE is, > after all, > an acronym, not a word, which gives some artistic latitude, eh? > > Gordy Heitzman gordster(a)juno.com 612-429-9500 > " Just say Suzy, and get on with it... > " > On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:31:45 -0800 Bodo Bauer <bb(a)suse.de> writes: > > > >Mitch Wyle wrote: > >> > >> i had heard "sooo-zie" (as in English Susie) > >> and Soo-zeh (as in German suse) > > > > > >Hi, > > > >this is a funny subject to talk about, as we are ourself not sure how > >to pronounce it in english... :-) > > > >But I think we should try to get the german pronounciation established > >here in the US too. This is the way the most SuSE users pronounce it. > >If there are more SuSE users in the US than in germany we can > >change... :)) > > > >Ciao, > > BB > >-- > >Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 > >7873 > >bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 > >7875 > >http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA > >-- > >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <A HREF="http://www.juno.com"><A HREF="http://www.juno.com</A">http://www.juno.com</A</A>> > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by fpawlak＠execpc.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

On Feb 2, 11:26pm, jonathan(a)aracnet.net wrote: > Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server > > Thanks for your contributions to the list, I was able to force a greater color > depth by using DefaultColorDepth 16 or even 24. It was in response to someone > else's query, but I won't look that in the mouth! > > However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the Rage II+ > chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go to 16 bpp I see a > flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the entire > height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to work > great in 8bpp with the exception of xfmail and Netscape FLOPPING around colors > like MAD!!! (argh!) > > Is this a bug in the Mach64 server? Should I be using the Mach64 server? Is > there some other kind of setting I should use? Is it a configuration problem? It sounds like you maybe overdriving your monitor. Check the spec for it and make sure that XFree is set up properly. Regards, Frank > Thanks for your help, this is an awesome list. > > --- > Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> > > When more and more people are thrown out of work, unemployment > results. > -- Calvin Coolidge > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >-- End of excerpt from jonathan(a)aracnet.net -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. pronunciation
by gordster＠juno.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Hi- " Just say Suzy, and get on with it..." A year or two ago there was a lot of discussion about whether Linux was pronounced like Linus T. does it, (LEE-nooks) or whether it would be more like the English "Linus", but I've heard almost no discussion of this lately; everyone seems to have gotten past it. LYE-nux is pretty much IT, for North Americans, anyway, with a few holdouts for Lennox, or whatever. [ and if you read this mailbag for a week or so, you begin to realize that the Proper pronunciation should probably be LOO-nix, short for Lunatix...] But, I digress-- I think, for my 50 bucks, S.u.S.E. is SUZY, or Susie, which are the same. The Germans (and God bless them, I'm 3/4 German) can say it however they'd like to. We all say and spell telephone a little differently, but no one argues about it. And remember, SuSE is, after all, an acronym, not a word, which gives some artistic latitude, eh? Gordy Heitzman gordster(a)juno.com 612-429-9500 " Just say Suzy, and get on with it... " On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:31:45 -0800 Bodo Bauer <bb(a)suse.de> writes: > >Mitch Wyle wrote: >> >> i had heard "sooo-zie" (as in English Susie) >> and Soo-zeh (as in German suse) > > >Hi, > >this is a funny subject to talk about, as we are ourself not sure how >to pronounce it in english... :-) > >But I think we should try to get the german pronounciation established >here in the US too. This is the way the most SuSE users pronounce it. >If there are more SuSE users in the US than in germany we can >change... :)) > >Ciao, > BB >-- >Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 >7873 >bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 >7875 >http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA >-- >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <A HREF="http://www.juno.com"><A HREF="http://www.juno.com</A">http://www.juno.com</A</A>> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by jccarr＠nwlink.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

I can't answer for certain how to solve this particular problem; I may, however, be able to narrow down the field a little. It sounds to me like a monitor configuration problem. I'm running an ATI Mach64 on my other computer with no problems whatsoever (the monitor being an IBM G40) -- basically, I just installed the Mach64 Server and pressed options 4 and 2 for the monitor refresh rates (not that you should try that, consult your monitor's specs, if available :)). I do know, however, that I've had similar problems with this computer's Cirrus Logic 5428; my monitor just has the hardest time sustaining an 800x600 resolution, though it does 1024x728 just fine. :P Since I can only run in 8bpp mode (that durn RAM restriction / membase thingy), it doesn't affect me overmuch. So, in short, consult whatever docs you have on your monitor. If you absolutely have to, try looking through the various refresh rates offered in xf86config; something similar to what you've chosen may work better ... or it may destroy your hardware. Whichever Murphy decides to give you, eh? ;) -- James -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem; Mach64 server
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Thanks for your contributions to the list, I was able to force a greater color depth by using DefaultColorDepth 16 or even 24. It was in response to someone else's query, but I won't look that in the mouth! However it doesn't look healthy! I have an ATI 3D Xpression with the Rage II+ chip (4MB EDO RAM) and a Sceptre P511 monitor. When I go to 16 bpp I see a flickering line about three inches from the left of the screen for the entire height. 24bpp is even worse. I am using the Mach64 server, it seems to work great in 8bpp with the exception of xfmail and Netscape FLOPPING around colors like MAD!!! (argh!) Is this a bug in the Mach64 server? Should I be using the Mach64 server? Is there some other kind of setting I should use? Is it a configuration problem? Thanks for your help, this is an awesome list. --- Jonathan Markevich <jonathan(a)aracnet.net> When more and more people are thrown out of work, unemployment results. -- Calvin Coolidge -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Mikeh Damm, I forgot. You might have tried the same thing in your .bash_profile. export HOSTNAME= export MAILUSER= You have to do lines like that for Qmail to work. Sorry, I just forgot all about those till you mentioned it. Glad you found the fix!!!!! Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 09:28:13PM -0600 In reply to:Mike Hostetler Quoting Mike Hostetler (thehaas(a)ravine.binary.net): > > > I tried something different with smail and finally got things to > work . . . . I made a file called /etc/smail/config and put these things > in it: > > from_field = mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu > > hostname = ravine.binary.net > > Now the name resolves correctly . . . neat, huh?? > > - mikeh > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Emacs kills NT
by dr.jones＠pobox.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

>Hi guys, >I dont know if this is a suse or emacs problem, it is fun though. >I don't have a printer at home so I print to a postscript file, put it >on a floppy (vfat) and print it at work. I use emacs to produce the >postscript for Objective-C code as it does some nice pretty-printing. I >sometimes use psnup to put 2 pages per a4 page also. > >The problem is that when I copy the floppy at work in M$ NT 3.51 I get a >"inpage error reading file" and NT crashes - it is cool fun crashing NT >so easily but the sysadmin gets real pissed-off, and I can't get the >printing done. > >I have used this method for years with no problem until I got suse 5.1. >Has anyone else run into anything like this? I know the problem is >really in NT as I can view the files with GV no problem in Linux. Maybe you have some funny characters in the path of your document. I once had severe problems problems getting some PostScript through a professional RIP, and it turned out I had a CR in the path (which the client - a Macintosh - allows, but not the RIP). Typically GhostScript is more relaxed than true Adobe PostScript, and then you can't really isolate the problem on your Linux box... Hope this helps! Jonas **************************************** IT-guide dr. Jones Banegaards Plads 20 A, 1., DK-8000 Aarhus, Denmark (45) 87303093 (office) / (45) 40843136 (cellular) <<A HREF="http://dr.jones.dk/"><A HREF="http://dr.jones.dk/</A">http://dr.jones.dk/</A</A>>> <<A HREF="mailto:dr.jones@pobox.com">mailto:dr.jones@pobox.com</A>> **************************************** -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by thehaas＠ravine.binary.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

I tried something different with smail and finally got things to work . . . . I made a file called /etc/smail/config and put these things in it: from_field = mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu hostname = ravine.binary.net Now the name resolves correctly . . . neat, huh?? - mikeh -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Tom I agree the the install of SuSE isn't a bit like Slackware or the others but: Even tho the book is a bit confusing, it does work. You just have to expirment a bit. I loaded up a BIG installation 1st and ran out of HD space ( Over 1 Gig!) so backed off, started again & installed from scratch again. Some things fell into line after I had done it a couple of times. Do I understand why some things are done as they are, no. Do I care, YES. But, even if a newbie would have trouble, you seem to have done enough other installations that it will soon come to you. Bottom line, I prefer Slackware, as I don't like Installation managers that say they do it all, and don't. SuSE isn't perfect, yet, but im my mind I would do this again over RedHat 5 times to sunday. I have only been using this for a week and I like the challenge more on this distribution then on any of the others. It took me less time to make SuSE work (somewhat) than I spent on RedHat or Debian. I'll take the good with the bad and stay plugging away st SuSE. The support is better then I ever saw from redhat and this list has as much information as the Debian list. Stay cool and keep at it. German engineering has always been good and I think that SuSE Linux may just prove that the Software guys over there Know what they are doing. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 06:11:04PM -0800 In reply to:Bodo Bauer Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > Tom Schaefer wrote: > > Yes, but the messages are meaningless and are not informative as to > > finish time, etc.The installer should not allow the user to anything > > which would jeopardize the install. > > Nothing happends if you reboot, only the scripts are starting again. > It won't mess up your system. > > > > > However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is > > > unpacking > > > > > > MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. > > > > > > > You need to alert the installer that something else is > > > happening. > > > > > > It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the > > > permissions, etc. > > > > > > > It shouldn't do the locate db stuff unless the user wants to. It > > adds quite a bit of time to wait for it to finish. > > But this doesn't hurt anybody. You can use the system during the > scripts are running, that's why we put them in the background. > > > > > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be > > > activated > > > > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not > > > properly > > > > explained. So I never really know if everything has been > > > installed > > > > properly. > > > > > > If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch > > > the > > > CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1. > > > > THEN EXPLAIN THIS DURING THE INSTALL. > > YaST brings up a message, what else do you want? 100 of pages that > explain what is done exactly? Noone would read this (exept you...). > > > > That's why yast is > > > started right after rebooting the system. It should now complete > > > the > > > installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing > > > packages > > > installed. > > > > > > > NO IT DOES NOT ... Once you reboot the system, the installer may > > start, but there is nothing prompting me to insert Cd2, and since > > that is not explained - why would I be inserting CD2 or 3 after a > > reboot? SIMPLIFY! > > You are the first person I heard of who had this trouble. It seems it > is simple enough for anybody else. Am I wrong? > > > You can reboot and just use the machine how you see fit after the > > first reboot. Nothing is being explained on the console directly to > > the installer (user) that you are going to need CD 2 or 3. NEVER. > > > > What you fail to understand, that anyone that has previously used > > Solaris, Caldera, Slackware, or even Red Hat - you don't reboot the > > machine to finish the install. All packages are extracted, THEN the > > machine is configured and THEN you do a reboot. > > It's the same with our distribution. Perhaps this is the mistake you > made. When YaST is finished the first time the installation procedure > is going back to initrc. Then the installed system will be bootet. You > can say the installation is made 'during the boot'. > > > If you've mounted CD 1 as a filesystem, then you can UNMOUNT IT for > > CD 2 and 3. > > During the very first installation you can't unmount it, becouse it > is used as root-filesystem. When the installed system runs, switching > CDs is not a problem. > > > You are overfamiliar with your installer. SIMPLIFY > > SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY > > > > Watch someone who has NEVER installed from your distribution. And > > don't coach them along the way. > > > > You'll see what I mean. > > I did, it worked... > > > > Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts > > > don't > > > get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure > > > starts > > > again... > > > > > > > YES BUT THIS IS NOT EXPLAINED. The first time I installed your 5.0, > > I wrongly assumed the install was finished when in fact it was still > > completing as explained before. > > It is explained in the message you get before the scripts are > startet. > > Ciao, > BB > > PS: Please dont SHOUT, I have no problem reading small caps.... -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Emacs kills NT
by maylward＠sunny.gis.uwa.edu.au 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Hi guys, I dont know if this is a suse or emacs problem, it is fun though. I don't have a printer at home so I print to a postscript file, put it on a floppy (vfat) and print it at work. I use emacs to produce the postscript for Objective-C code as it does some nice pretty-printing. I sometimes use psnup to put 2 pages per a4 page also. The problem is that when I copy the floppy at work in M$ NT 3.51 I get a "inpage error reading file" and NT crashes - it is cool fun crashing NT so easily but the sysadmin gets real pissed-off, and I can't get the printing done. I have used this method for years with no problem until I got suse 5.1. Has anyone else run into anything like this? I know the problem is really in NT as I can view the files with GV no problem in Linux. Any ideas? Matt -- Matt Aylward Dept of Geography (GIS) email: maylward(a)sunny.gis.uwa.edu.au Linux Lover and GIS Geek ..............LINUX..................... OS for the people by the people -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by maylward＠sunny.gis.uwa.edu.au 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Bodo Bauer wrote: > > Tom Schaefer wrote: > > > > Some areas for you to fix: > > > > 1. When installing from CD 1, packages determined to be on CD 2 and 3 > > are not allowed to be installed during the first pass install. The > > friggin' installer just blows past the prompt and the user is not > > allowed to insert the other CDs. > > > > There is some sort of bug that does not prompt for CD 2 or 3. I have > > found that if I insert the CD I want to install from, then run YAst, > > Yast seems to determine that there are a bunch of packages that weren't > > installed. DUH. Then, it seems to install them - but only the packages > > for the CD that is currently in the drive. This behavior is somewhat > > inconsistent, but predictable. Then, after installing packages from the > > second CD, I can exit Yast, remove the CD, then insert CD 3 and run > > Yast, who happens to "discover" that there are packages that weren't > > installed. The I can install them. > > > > I thought you would have fixed this, as it was a problem in 5.0. > > > > 2. After the install "appears" to be done, leaving the user with a login > > prompt and no clue that you have a bunch of background processes > > running, and no idea of whether rebooting at this time is wise or not. > > You get a message which tells you what's going on before the login > prompt appears. It also tells you that you can watch the scripts > running > on console 9. > > > However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is unpacking > > MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. > > You need to alert the installer that something else is happening. > > It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the > permissions, etc. > > > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be activated > > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not properly > > explained. So I never really know if everything has been installed > > properly. > > If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch the > CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1. That's why yast is > started right after rebooting the system. It should know complete the > installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing > packages > installed. > > This always worked for me, so I wonder about your problems... ?! > > Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts don't > get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure starts > again... > > So look at console 9 (like the message tells you) before you reboot > your system. If anything has finished processing > > Ciao, > BB > -- > Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 > 7873 > bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 > 7875 > http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e ame here, I have installed suse 5.1 on 3 machines in the last week, having never met YaST before. Following the instructions frtom yast worked a treat each time, each was a different setup too. Regards, Matt -- Matt Aylward Dept of Geography (GIS) email: maylward(a)sunny.gis.uwa.edu.au Linux Lover and GIS Geek ..............LINUX..................... OS for the people by the people -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by netd＠fastrans.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

---------- > From: Bodo Bauer <bb(a)suse.de> > Nothing happends if you reboot, only the scripts are starting again. > It won't mess up your system. okidoke :) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by bb＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Tom Schaefer wrote: > Yes, but the messages are meaningless and are not informative as to > finish time, etc.The installer should not allow the user to anything > which would jeopardize the install. Nothing happends if you reboot, only the scripts are starting again. It won't mess up your system. > > > However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is > > unpacking > > > > MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. > > > > > You need to alert the installer that something else is > > happening. > > > > It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the > > permissions, etc. > > > > It shouldn't do the locate db stuff unless the user wants to. It > adds quite a bit of time to wait for it to finish. But this doesn't hurt anybody. You can use the system during the scripts are running, that's why we put them in the background. > > > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be > > activated > > > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not > > properly > > > explained. So I never really know if everything has been > > installed > > > properly. > > > > If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch > > the > > CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1. > > THEN EXPLAIN THIS DURING THE INSTALL. YaST brings up a message, what else do you want? 100 of pages that explain what is done exactly? Noone would read this (exept you...). > > That's why yast is > > started right after rebooting the system. It should now complete > > the > > installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing > > packages > > installed. > > > > NO IT DOES NOT ... Once you reboot the system, the installer may > start, but there is nothing prompting me to insert Cd2, and since > that is not explained - why would I be inserting CD2 or 3 after a > reboot? SIMPLIFY! You are the first person I heard of who had this trouble. It seems it is simple enough for anybody else. Am I wrong? > You can reboot and just use the machine how you see fit after the > first reboot. Nothing is being explained on the console directly to > the installer (user) that you are going to need CD 2 or 3. NEVER. > > What you fail to understand, that anyone that has previously used > Solaris, Caldera, Slackware, or even Red Hat - you don't reboot the > machine to finish the install. All packages are extracted, THEN the > machine is configured and THEN you do a reboot. It's the same with our distribution. Perhaps this is the mistake you made. When YaST is finished the first time the installation procedure is going back to initrc. Then the installed system will be bootet. You can say the installation is made 'during the boot'. > If you've mounted CD 1 as a filesystem, then you can UNMOUNT IT for > CD 2 and 3. During the very first installation you can't unmount it, becouse it is used as root-filesystem. When the installed system runs, switching CDs is not a problem. > You are overfamiliar with your installer. SIMPLIFY > SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY > > Watch someone who has NEVER installed from your distribution. And > don't coach them along the way. > > You'll see what I mean. I did, it worked... > > Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts > > don't > > get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure > > starts > > again... > > > > YES BUT THIS IS NOT EXPLAINED. The first time I installed your 5.0, > I wrongly assumed the install was finished when in fact it was still > completing as explained before. It is explained in the message you get before the scripts are startet. Ciao, BB PS: Please dont SHOUT, I have no problem reading small caps.... -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

mikeh Oh, you WILL have questions. Also pick up the serialmail package. If you follow the INSTALL file and get everything in there working you are 90 0.000000inished. It is the last 10% that may take a while! If I can be of any help, let me know. Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 07:16:15PM -0600 In reply to:Mike Hostetler Quoting Mike Hostetler (thehaas(a)ravine.binary.net): > > > > Wade, > ^^^^^^ WHO?? 8-) > > > In /etc/sendmail.cf: > > Find the line that begins with DMfoo.com ( or #DMfoo.com) > > change to DMcse.unl.edu (Domain Masquerade) > > > > Find the line #Dj$w.foo.com and change it to > > Dj$w.ravine.binary.net ( if that is your ISP mail host address) > > > > Find the DS (Smart Host line) and put > > DSravine.binary.net > > > > My Dj$w and DS are NOT the same. DS is my mail address domain > > (ix.netcom.com). Dj$w is my smtp server address. My pop server is, of > > course, not mentioned in my sendmail.cf file. > > I did the above with sendmail and still no dice . . . .same error. In > fact, if I put in Dj$w.ravine.binary.net, I get that I am from > jesusfreak.ravine.binary.net, which is even weirder . .. > > I'm impartial to what I use (sendmail, smail, qmail) as long as I can > get the thing to work! smail is much faster then sendmail, tho. I'll > grab a copy of qmail and let you know if I have questions . . . > > thanks, > > - mikeh > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by netd＠fastrans.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Bodo Bauer wrote: > Sorry, but it doesn't ginp 99.15 has a bug which makes it hard > to convert RGB to indexed. 99.17 works fine. That's why you > find 99.17 on our ftp server. > okidoke ... will download tonite and try it ... ;) -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by thehaas＠ravine.binary.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Wade, > In /etc/sendmail.cf: > Find the line that begins with DMfoo.com ( or #DMfoo.com) > change to DMcse.unl.edu (Domain Masquerade) > > Find the line #Dj$w.foo.com and change it to > Dj$w.ravine.binary.net ( if that is your ISP mail host address) > > Find the DS (Smart Host line) and put > DSravine.binary.net > > My Dj$w and DS are NOT the same. DS is my mail address domain > (ix.netcom.com). Dj$w is my smtp server address. My pop server is, of > course, not mentioned in my sendmail.cf file. I did the above with sendmail and still no dice . . . .same error. In fact, if I put in Dj$w.ravine.binary.net, I get that I am from jesusfreak.ravine.binary.net, which is even weirder . .. I'm impartial to what I use (sendmail, smail, qmail) as long as I can get the thing to work! smail is much faster then sendmail, tho. I'll grab a copy of qmail and let you know if I have questions . . . thanks, - mikeh -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by bb＠suse.de 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

W.D. McKinney wrote: > > Tom Schaefer <netd(a)fastrans.net> wrote: > > > > I have had major problems trying to upgrade Gimp. > > > > The gimp.rpm on the 5.1 CD DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FILES TO BE OPENED. > > > > *sigh* > > > > Is there a fix for this? > > I installed S.u.S.E. 5.1 and Gimp works just fine. What Sorry, but it doesn't ginp 99.15 has a bug which makes it hard to convert RGB to indexed. 99.17 works fine. That's why you find 99.17 on our ftp server. And installing this updated package fails because of missing dependencies... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Mike I have never used smail but had a simular problem with sendmail. I did the following and got sendmail to work. In /etc/sendmail.cf: Find the line that begins with DMfoo.com ( or #DMfoo.com) change to DMcse.unl.edu (Domain Masquerade) Find the line #Dj$w.foo.com and change it to Dj$w.ravine.binary.net ( if that is your ISP mail host address) Find the DS (Smart Host line) and put DSravine.binary.net My Dj$w and DS are NOT the same. DS is my mail address domain (ix.netcom.com). Dj$w is my smtp server address. My pop server is, of course, not mentioned in my sendmail.cf file. I did the above and use sendmail -q to send mail to my ISP. That is the fastest way. On my Slackware system, I am using qmail and after a bunch of work I finally found that that is the best and (really) easiest system to set up. Sooner or later I will just copy those files over to SuSE. Let me know if you need some help with the Qmail setup. Its a great system but the docs are NOT all that informative. Funny that, once you get it set up, looking back, is isn't that hard to do. Good luck HTH Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 07:40:00AM -0600 In reply to:Mike Hostetler Quoting Mike Hostetler (thehaas(a)ravine.binary.net): > > > I'm having some serious problems when trying to send mail out over my > PPP connection. My ISP have dynamic ip addressing, which adds to the > problem. > > What I see is this: > I'm presently using smail, but I saw the same results with sendmail. > Things look like this: > > 118 jesusfreak:~ > /usr/lib/sendmail -v mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu > hello > .. > write_log:Received FROM:mikeh PROGRAM:sendmail SIZE:76 > mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu: cse.unl.edu matched by bind_hosts: > routed mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu --> mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu at cse.unl.edu > transport hint mx 0 cse.unl.edu > address hint cse.unl.edu 129.93.33.1 > transport inet_zone_bind_smtp uses driver tcpsmtp > lock retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu > lock succeeded (will defer failure) retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu > transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: connect to host cse.unl.edu [129.93.33.1]/smtp...connected > transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: 451 <mikeh(a)jesusfreak.binary.net>... Sender domain must resolve > unlock (success) retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu > write_log:Deferred TO:mhostetl@cse.unl.edu ROUTER:bind_hosts TRANSPORT:inet_zone_bind_smtp ERROR:(ERR151) transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: 451 <mikeh(a)jesusfreak.binary.net>... Sender domain must resolve > > So it can't resolve my hostname, which wouldn't happen if I had a static > ip address. What is the way around this??? > > - mikeh > > > -- > > ============================================================================== > || Mike Hostetler || || <A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas"><A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A">http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A</A>> || > || email1: mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu || || email2: thehaas(a)binary.net || > ============================================================================== > || `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just || > || stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, || > || *for free*".' - Linus Torvalds || > ============================================================================== > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by netd＠fastrans.net 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

--------------003B7F434A7D09C78DD5D791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bodo Bauer wrote: > Tom Schaefer wrote: > > > > Some areas for you to fix: > > > > 1. When installing from CD 1, packages determined to be on CD 2 and 3 > > are not allowed to be installed during the first pass install. The > > friggin' installer just blows past the prompt and the user is not > > allowed to insert the other CDs. > > > > There is some sort of bug that does not prompt for CD 2 or 3. I have > > found that if I insert the CD I want to install from, then run YAst, > > Yast seems to determine that there are a bunch of packages that weren't > > installed. DUH. Then, it seems to install them - but only the packages > > for the CD that is currently in the drive. This behavior is somewhat > > inconsistent, but predictable. Then, after installing packages from the > > second CD, I can exit Yast, remove the CD, then insert CD 3 and run > > Yast, who happens to "discover" that there are packages that weren't > > installed. The I can install them. > > > > I thought you would have fixed this, as it was a problem in 5.0. > > > > 2. After the install "appears" to be done, leaving the user with a login > > prompt and no clue that you have a bunch of background processes > > running, and no idea of whether rebooting at this time is wise or not. > > You get a message which tells you what's going on before the login > prompt appears. It also tells you that you can watch the scripts > running > on console 9. > Yes, but the messages are meaningless and are not informative as to finish time, etc.The installer should not allow the user to anything which would jeopardize the install. > > However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is unpacking > > MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. > > You need to alert the installer that something else is happening. > > It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the > permissions, etc. > It shouldn't do the locate db stuff unless the user wants to. It adds quite a bit of time to wait for it to finish. > > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be activated > > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not properly > > explained. So I never really know if everything has been installed > > properly. > > If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch the > CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1. THEN EXPLAIN THIS DURING THE INSTALL. > That's why yast is > started right after rebooting the system. It should now complete the > installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing > packages > installed. > NO IT DOES NOT ... Once you reboot the system, the installer may start, but there is nothing prompting me to insert Cd2, and since that is not explained - why would I be inserting CD2 or 3 after a reboot? SIMPLIFY! You can reboot and just use the machine how you see fit after the first reboot. Nothing is being explained on the console directly to the installer (user) that you are going to need CD 2 or 3. NEVER. What you fail to understand, that anyone that has previously used Solaris, Caldera, Slackware, or even Red Hat - you don't reboot the machine to finish the install. All packages are extracted, THEN the machine is configured and THEN you do a reboot. If you've mounted CD 1 as a filesystem, then you can UNMOUNT IT for CD 2 and 3. Sheeeeeeeeesh > This always worked for me, so I wonder about your problems... ?! > You are overfamiliar with your installer. SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY Watch someone who has NEVER installed from your distribution. And don't coach them along the way. You'll see what I mean. > Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts don't > get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure starts > again... > YES BUT THIS IS NOT EXPLAINED. The first time I installed your 5.0, I wrongly assumed the install was finished when in fact it was still completing as explained before. I wound up digging thru a bunch of the startup scripts and disabling the YAst startup - NOT EVEN KNOWING WHY YAST WAS STARTING - OR WHY IT HAD FAILED TO FINISH INITIALLY. > So look at console 9 (like the message tells you) before you reboot > your system. If anything has finished processing Needs to be more informative and specific. Hand your distribution to someone who has absolutely NO familiarty with your product and watch what they do. Turn off the updatedb and locatedb processes and alert the user that they do need to be run, and if they don't run them now, they'll be run in cron.daily or something. SIMPLIFY! You guys have a nice package - but you have over complicated a few things. Also, getting YAst to run without the CD is problematic at times when all I want to do is see which packages I have on the system, I can't unless I insert a CD. Fix that. I should be able to browse the package database without having to load a CD. Have a lot of fun! --------------003B7F434A7D09C78DD5D791 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Bodo Bauer wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Tom Schaefer wrote: > > Some areas for you to fix: > > 1. When installing from CD 1, packages determined to be on CD 2 and 3 > are not allowed to be installed during the first pass install. The > friggin' installer just blows past the prompt and the user is not > allowed to insert the other CDs. > > There is some sort of bug that does not prompt for CD 2 or 3. I have > found that if I insert the CD I want to install from, then run YAst, > Yast seems to determine that there are a bunch of packages that weren't > installed. DUH. Then, it seems to install them - but only the packages > for the CD that is currently in the drive. This behavior is somewhat > inconsistent, but predictable. Then, after installing packages from the > second CD, I can exit Yast, remove the CD, then insert CD 3 and run > Yast, who happens to "discover" that there are packages that weren't > installed. The I can install them. > > I thought you would have fixed this, as it was a problem in 5.0. > > 2. After the install "appears" to be done, leaving the user with a login > prompt and no clue that you have a bunch of background processes > running, and no idea of whether rebooting at this time is wise or not. You get a message which tells you what's going on before the login prompt appears. It also tells you that you can watch the scripts running on console 9. </BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, but the messages are meaningless and are not informative as to finish time, etc.The installer should not allow the user to anything which would jeopardize the install. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> > However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is unpacking</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>> MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. > You need to alert the installer that something else is happening. It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the permissions, etc. </BLOCKQUOTE> It shouldn't do the locate db stuff unless the user wants to. It adds quite a bit of time to wait for it to finish. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be activated > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not properly > explained. So I never really know if everything has been installed > properly. If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch the CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1.</BLOCKQUOTE> THEN EXPLAIN THIS DURING THE INSTALL. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>That's why yast is tarted right after rebooting the system. It should now complete the installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing packages installed. </BLOCKQUOTE> NO IT DOES NOT ... Once you reboot the system, the installer may start, but there is nothing prompting me to insert Cd2, and since that is not explained - why would I be inserting CD2 or 3 after a reboot? SIMPLIFY! You can reboot and just use the machine how you see fit after the first reboot. Nothing is being explained on the console directly to the installer (user) that you are going to need CD 2 or 3. NEVER. What you fail to understand, that anyone that has previously used Solaris, Caldera, Slackware, or even Red Hat - you don't reboot the machine to finish the install. All packages are extracted, THEN the machine is configured and THEN you do a reboot. If you've mounted CD 1 as a filesystem, then you can UNMOUNT IT for CD 2 and 3. Sheeeeeeeeesh <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> This always worked for me, so I wonder about your problems... ?! </BLOCKQUOTE> You are overfamiliar with your installer. SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY Watch someone who has NEVER installed from your distribution. And don't coach them along the way. You'll see what I mean. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts don't get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure starts again... </BLOCKQUOTE> YES BUT THIS IS NOT EXPLAINED. The first time I installed your 5.0, I wrongly assumed the install was finished when in fact it was still completing as explained before. I wound up digging thru a bunch of the startup scripts and disabling the YAst startup - NOT EVEN KNOWING WHY YAST WAS STARTING - OR WHY IT HAD FAILED TO FINISH INITIALLY. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> So look at console 9 (like the message tells you) before you reboot your system. If anything has finished processing</BLOCKQUOTE> Needs to be more informative and specific. Hand your distribution to someone who has absolutely NO familiarty with your product and watch what they do. Turn off the updatedb and locatedb processes and alert the user that they do need to be run, and if they don't run them now, they'll be run in cron.daily or something. SIMPLIFY! You guys have a nice package - but you have over complicated a few things. Also, getting YAst to run without the CD is problematic at times when all I want to do is see which packages I have on the system, I can't unless I insert a CD. Fix that. I should be able to browse the package database without having to load a CD. Have a lot of fun! </HTML> --------------003B7F434A7D09C78DD5D791-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3) Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 03:16:11PM -0800 In reply to:Bodo Bauer Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > Wayne Topa wrote: > > Bodo > > > > From Page 123 of SuSE 5.1 book, Section 8.3.4 > > > > QUOTE > > > > "ANY part of LILO has to be on the first 1024 cylinders on the hard > > disk." > > > > >From Yast.debug > > "/dev/hda3 * 977 977 1518 256095 83 Linux native" > > So the partition starts at 977 and goes up to 1518 (>>1024). > > > Yes I could put the kernel on hda1. BUT I have the SuSE kernel where > > the BOOK says it should work. Lilo 19 DID work with the Debian kernel > > on hda3 (start cylinder 977), so is the problem with lilo 20? > > May be the kernelimage layed between 977 and 1023. If the partition > starts under 1024 and goes over 1024 you never know which files > are below 1024 and which are above. It's possible you install the > system and everything is fine, but with the next kernle recompile > your system won't boot anymore. So the best way is to have the > total partition below the 1024 cyl. mark... > > > Which statement is true: > > All of the kerner MUST be on cylinders < 1024, (BB) > > OR > > ANY part of the kernel has to be on the FIRST 1024 cylinders??? (Book) > > I don't know exactly if it is enough to have any part of the kernel > below 1024. But if the hole image is on the first 1024 cyl, LILO > should work... OK, I will put the SuSE kernel in the Slackware / dir. Have never had to do this before. Will it work if I just call the inage suseimage and have lilo load that? If that works it would be just as good as having the kernel where it should be. Except if I up-grade I'll have to remember to move the new kernel to Slackware. NO BIG DEAL tho > > > Thanks for your help. Chus (Is that spelled right ?) > > > I think you mean 'Tschuess'... :-)) > What I tried to say is the southern German word for "see you later" no, that was "groos gott". I never knew how to spell it so I will go with Tschuess. Gee, Ciao is shorter to type, isn't it! > > > Ciao, > BB > -- > Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 > 7873 > bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 > 7875 > http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 03 Feb '98

03 Feb '98

Hubert Thanks, that makes sense. I guess its time I DID read up on Lilo, and will look up your reference. Thanks Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3) Date: Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 12:43:59AM +0100 In reply to:Hubert Mantel Quoting Hubert Mantel (mantel(a)suse.de): > > Hi, > > On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > From Page 123 of SuSE 5.1 book, Section 8.3.4 > > > > QUOTE > > > > "ANY part of LILO has to be on the first 1024 cylinders on the hard > > disk." > > > > >From Yast.debug > > "/dev/hda3 * 977 977 1518 256095 83 Linux native" > > Consider how LILO works: When you install LILO, it generates a map-file > /boot/map which holds the CHS-position (cylinder/head/sector) of all the > files needed for booting. This is the second stage loader /boot/boot.b and > the kernel image /vmlinuz itself. Because LILO has to do all of its work > by BIOS means it is restricted to cylinder numbers less than 1024. > > If you have a partition setup like above with the partition starting at > 977 and ending at 1518, results are unpredictable. If all of /boot/map, > /boot/boot.b and /vmlinuz happen to sit on cylinders below 1024, LILO will > work without problems because every needed sector can be loaded with BIOS > calls. If one single sector is on a cylinder >= 1024, LILO will fail. > > > Yes I could put the kernel on hda1. BUT I have the SuSE kernel where > > the BOOK says it should work. Lilo 19 DID work with the Debian kernel > > on hda3 (start cylinder 977), so is the problem with lilo 20? > > No. You simply had luck when installing debian. Probably debian uses > another installation order so all the relevant files for booting happened > to sit on cylinders below 1024. If you had recompiled your kernel, there > had been chances for LILO to fail afterwards. > > > Which statement is true: > > All of the kerner MUST be on cylinders < 1024, (BB) > > OR > > ANY part of the kernel has to be on the FIRST 1024 cylinders??? (Book) > > I think this is a problem with a foreign/other/strange/alien/unknown > language ;-) The book should probably read "EVERY part of the kernel...". > And additionally: "This is true for the files /boot/boot.b and /boot/map > also". Please note that /boot/map is generated when LILO is installed. > > > Thanks for your help. Chus (Is that spelled right ?) > > > > Wayne > > Hubert > > PS: If you are interested in how LILO and bootmanagers work, there is an > excellent documentation in /usr/doc/packages/lilo. > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by mantel＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Hi, On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > From Page 123 of SuSE 5.1 book, Section 8.3.4 > > QUOTE > > "ANY part of LILO has to be on the first 1024 cylinders on the hard > disk." > > >From Yast.debug > "/dev/hda3 * 977 977 1518 256095 83 Linux native" Consider how LILO works: When you install LILO, it generates a map-file /boot/map which holds the CHS-position (cylinder/head/sector) of all the files needed for booting. This is the second stage loader /boot/boot.b and the kernel image /vmlinuz itself. Because LILO has to do all of its work by BIOS means it is restricted to cylinder numbers less than 1024. If you have a partition setup like above with the partition starting at 977 and ending at 1518, results are unpredictable. If all of /boot/map, /boot/boot.b and /vmlinuz happen to sit on cylinders below 1024, LILO will work without problems because every needed sector can be loaded with BIOS calls. If one single sector is on a cylinder >= 1024, LILO will fail. > Yes I could put the kernel on hda1. BUT I have the SuSE kernel where > the BOOK says it should work. Lilo 19 DID work with the Debian kernel > on hda3 (start cylinder 977), so is the problem with lilo 20? No. You simply had luck when installing debian. Probably debian uses another installation order so all the relevant files for booting happened to sit on cylinders below 1024. If you had recompiled your kernel, there had been chances for LILO to fail afterwards. > Which statement is true: > All of the kerner MUST be on cylinders < 1024, (BB) > OR > ANY part of the kernel has to be on the FIRST 1024 cylinders??? (Book) I think this is a problem with a foreign/other/strange/alien/unknown language ;-) The book should probably read "EVERY part of the kernel...". And additionally: "This is true for the files /boot/boot.b and /boot/map also". Please note that /boot/map is generated when LILO is installed. > Thanks for your help. Chus (Is that spelled right ?) > > Wayne Hubert PS: If you are interested in how LILO and bootmanagers work, there is an excellent documentation in /usr/doc/packages/lilo. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by thehaas＠ravine.binary.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

> > Perhaps the only thing you have to do is to set FROM_HEADER=binary.net in > /etc/rc.config > > mfG, > Carsten Hoeger Nope, just tried it. It doesn't work. I even changed it to the Unix host ravine.binary.net. Anyone else have any ideas?? - mikeh -- ============================================================================== || Mike Hostetler || || <A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas"><A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A">http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A</A>> || || email1: mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu || || email2: thehaas(a)binary.net || ============================================================================== || `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just || || stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, || || *for free*".' - Linus Torvalds || ============================================================================== -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Wayne Topa wrote: > Bodo > > From Page 123 of SuSE 5.1 book, Section 8.3.4 > > QUOTE > > "ANY part of LILO has to be on the first 1024 cylinders on the hard > disk." > > >From Yast.debug > "/dev/hda3 * 977 977 1518 256095 83 Linux native" So the partition starts at 977 and goes up to 1518 (>>1024). > Yes I could put the kernel on hda1. BUT I have the SuSE kernel where > the BOOK says it should work. Lilo 19 DID work with the Debian kernel > on hda3 (start cylinder 977), so is the problem with lilo 20? May be the kernelimage layed between 977 and 1023. If the partition starts under 1024 and goes over 1024 you never know which files are below 1024 and which are above. It's possible you install the system and everything is fine, but with the next kernle recompile your system won't boot anymore. So the best way is to have the total partition below the 1024 cyl. mark... > Which statement is true: > All of the kerner MUST be on cylinders < 1024, (BB) > OR > ANY part of the kernel has to be on the FIRST 1024 cylinders??? (Book) I don't know exactly if it is enough to have any part of the kernel below 1024. But if the hole image is on the first 1024 cyl, LILO should work... > Thanks for your help. Chus (Is that spelled right ?) I think you mean 'Tschuess'... :-)) Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by exec＠prysm.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Tom Schaefer wrote: > The gimp.rpm on the 5.1 CD DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FILES TO BE OPENED. > > *sigh* > > Is there a fix for this? SuSE mis-named the plugins directory. More on the subject when I get home (I am not near a SuSE installation right now). Anyhow, look for /usr/share/gimp or some similar directory, and where you see something named something like 1.1, rename it 1.1.15 (i.e. add a .15 to the end of whatever is there). Once you do that, gimp works again. This needs to be fixed, but I haven't had a chance to make a full detailed bug report yet. Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by exec＠prysm.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Lachlan Dunlop wrote: > How does the syquest compare to the JAZ Drive from Iomega. I personally > have had nothing but headaches from every Iomega product. I really don't know. I installed my Syquest SparQ in my machine at about the same time as I installed SuSE on my machine. I then fdisk'ed a cartridge, changed the type from DOS to 83 (Linux), did an e2mkfs on the resulting partition, mounted it, and copied my archives directory over there (around 600mb of stuff downloaded from the net over the years). About 3 minutes later it was through. FAST. Faster than hard drives used to be, though not faster than current hard drives ("only" 12ms access time). Don't know how it'll be as far as reliability goes yet, tho. And as far as speed goes, the JAZ on a SCSI bus should still be a bit faster (SparQ only comes as IDE). But for 1/3rd the cost per megabyte, I'll give up a little speed! > > You may wish to look at the SyQuest SparQ. 1gb per disk, only costs $199 > > U.S., disks only cost $30 or so U.S.... much more affordable than zip. Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Tom Schaefer wrote: > > Some areas for you to fix: > > 1. When installing from CD 1, packages determined to be on CD 2 and 3 > are not allowed to be installed during the first pass install. The > friggin' installer just blows past the prompt and the user is not > allowed to insert the other CDs. > > There is some sort of bug that does not prompt for CD 2 or 3. I have > found that if I insert the CD I want to install from, then run YAst, > Yast seems to determine that there are a bunch of packages that weren't > installed. DUH. Then, it seems to install them - but only the packages > for the CD that is currently in the drive. This behavior is somewhat > inconsistent, but predictable. Then, after installing packages from the > second CD, I can exit Yast, remove the CD, then insert CD 3 and run > Yast, who happens to "discover" that there are packages that weren't > installed. The I can install them. > > I thought you would have fixed this, as it was a problem in 5.0. > > 2. After the install "appears" to be done, leaving the user with a login > prompt and no clue that you have a bunch of background processes > running, and no idea of whether rebooting at this time is wise or not. You get a message which tells you what's going on before the login prompt appears. It also tells you that you can watch the scripts running on console 9. > However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is unpacking > MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. > You need to alert the installer that something else is happening. It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the permissions, etc. > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be activated > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not properly > explained. So I never really know if everything has been installed > properly. If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch the CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1. That's why yast is started right after rebooting the system. It should know complete the installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing packages installed. This always worked for me, so I wonder about your problems... ?! Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts don't get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure starts again... So look at console 9 (like the message tells you) before you reboot your system. If anything has finished processing Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by 1sgray＠preferred.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Eric, Thanks for the advice. I believe that the SyQuest SparQ is the better deal. Are you currently using a SparQ? If so, is there anything special other that the "compile in the IDE Floppy support" recommendation below. Thanks again for the help, Scott Gray Eric L. Green wrote: > On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, gman wrote: > > I'm interested in purchasing an internal iomaga zip driver. Are these > > drives compatible with Linux? Since there IDE my guess would be yes. > > However, I'm not certain about this. > > Just be sure to compile in the "IDE Floppy" support or it may have > trouble ejecting the disk. > > You may wish to look at the SyQuest SparQ. 1gb per disk, only costs $199 > U.S., disks only cost $30 or so U.S.... much more affordable than zip. > > Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants > Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions > You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by svet＠alamo.satlug.org 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Wayne, > > Steven > > Thanks, yes I did eventually copy the system xinitrc over because I > didn't have one. SuSE didn't copy one over by default. Its funny I > was going in and out of X a lot and just happened to remember > .xinitrc. When I saw I didn't have it is when I copied over the > Slackware version which, as you said, the paths were incorrect. > It took another post to make me think enough to go look for the system > file. > > Thanks again, > Wayne > Hey, no problem...I'm glad you got everything sorted out. Glad to be of some help. Hey, I'm an old Slackware person myself, and I remember having a bit of a learning curve to deal with when transfering to S.u.S.E. However, I totally perfer S.u.S.E. most any other distribution. talk to you later, vet -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Tom Schaefer wrote: > > I have had major problems trying to upgrade Gimp. > > The gimp.rpm on the 5.1 CD DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FILES TO BE OPENED. > Try to remove your .gimprc and .gimp folder and restart the gimp. The format has changed in the new version and it wouldn't find the plugins with the old rc files... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3) Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 12:27:54PM -0800 In reply to:Bodo Bauer Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3) > > Date: Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 07:17:10PM +0100 > > > > > > The problem was that altho I have compiled the 2.0.33 kernel OK, and > > /vmlinuz & /System.map are 2.0.33 (same time/date as zImage), AND > > the cylinder for /dev/hda3 (suse /) is 977 ie < 1024, lilo gives an > error. > > Is 977 the first, or the last cylinder of the partition. Remember that > / has to be completly , 1024. But why don't you put the kernel on your > slackware partition mount this into SuSE and tell lilo that the kernel > is there? > > A known problem with lilo 20 is that the behavior of the 'linear' > flag has changed. So try to remove this flag and see if it boots > now?! Bodo From Page 123 of SuSE 5.1 book, Section 8.3.4 QUOTE "ANY part of LILO has to be on the first 1024 cylinders on the hard disk." From Yast.debug "/dev/hda3 * 977 977 1518 256095 83 Linux native" Yes I could put the kernel on hda1. BUT I have the SuSE kernel where the BOOK says it should work. Lilo 19 DID work with the Debian kernel on hda3 (start cylinder 977), so is the problem with lilo 20? Which statement is true: All of the kerner MUST be on cylinders < 1024, (BB) OR ANY part of the kernel has to be on the FIRST 1024 cylinders??? (Book) Thanks for your help. Chus (Is that spelled right ?) Wayne -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by deem＠wdm.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Tom Schaefer <netd(a)fastrans.net> wrote: > > I have had major problems trying to upgrade Gimp. > > The gimp.rpm on the 5.1 CD DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FILES TO BE OPENED. > > *sigh* > > Is there a fix for this? I installed S.u.S.E. 5.1 and Gimp works just fine. What are you doing or how are you trying to install ? -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
by netd＠fastrans.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Some areas for you to fix: 1. When installing from CD 1, packages determined to be on CD 2 and 3 are not allowed to be installed during the first pass install. The friggin' installer just blows past the prompt and the user is not allowed to insert the other CDs. There is some sort of bug that does not prompt for CD 2 or 3. I have found that if I insert the CD I want to install from, then run YAst, Yast seems to determine that there are a bunch of packages that weren't installed. DUH. Then, it seems to install them - but only the packages for the CD that is currently in the drive. This behavior is somewhat inconsistent, but predictable. Then, after installing packages from the second CD, I can exit Yast, remove the CD, then insert CD 3 and run Yast, who happens to "discover" that there are packages that weren't installed. The I can install them. I thought you would have fixed this, as it was a problem in 5.0. 2. After the install "appears" to be done, leaving the user with a login prompt and no clue that you have a bunch of background processes running, and no idea of whether rebooting at this time is wise or not. However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is unpacking MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user. You need to alert the installer that something else is happening. I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be activated at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not properly explained. So I never really know if everything has been installed properly. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by netd＠fastrans.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

I have had major problems trying to upgrade Gimp. The gimp.rpm on the 5.1 CD DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FILES TO BE OPENED. *sigh* Is there a fix for this? -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Scott Gray wrote: > > Hi, > > I get the following when I try to install the updated gimp rpm: > > bobcat:/home/sgray1 # rpm -Uvh --force gimp.rpm > failed dependencies: > libxdelta.so.0 is needed by gimp-0.99.17-0 > libgimp.so.1 is needed by photocd-1.12-8 > libgimp.so.1 is needed by sane-0.63-4 > > I did install the gtk.rpm prior to this. Has anyone else had simular probems? Yes, me. Finally I installed it whit rpm -i --nodeps ... And it works fine now... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3)
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Wayne Topa wrote: > > Subject: Re: SuSE Linux evaluation (Part 3) > Date: Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 07:17:10PM +0100 > > In reply to:Michael Burghart > > Quoting Michael Burghart (smb(a)suse.de): > > > > Hi Wayne.. > > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Your answer to the wavplay question was > > > close but incorrect. The file is play, nor playwav. Thats OK tho as > > > I was too dumb to check the CONTENTS of wavplay, I thought it was the > > > same as I had used in Slackware, Debian and RedHat! I am sorry to > > > have bothered you with That question! > > > > no prob!..;)) > > I just installed it a couple of days ago as I got a TV module for my > > screen..but even I forgot the name...well..at last we found it. > > > > > > Thanks again for your reply. My initial problems with SuSE are > > > slowly going away and I am beginning to really like it. I am still > > > concerned with the lilo-kernel problem. I hope that it turns out to > > > be MY stupid mistake. Until I get that answer, I will continue to > > > boot via the floppy. > > > > sounds great..:-) > > I'm sure we will solve the problem..did you discuss it with Bodo? > > What exactly was the problem...I forgot.. > > > > The problem was that altho I have compiled the 2.0.33 kernel OK, and > /vmlinuz & /System.map are 2.0.33 (same time/date as zImage), AND > the cylinder for /dev/hda3 (suse /) is 977 ie < 1024, lilo gives an Is 977 the first, or the last cylinder of the partition. Remember that / has to be completly , 1024. But why don't you put the kernel on your slackware partition mount this into SuSE and tell lilo that the kernel is there? A known problem with lilo 20 is that the behavior of the 'linear' flag has changed. So try to remove this flag and see if it boots now?! Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. pronunciation
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Mitch Wyle wrote: > > i had heard "sooo-zie" (as in English Susie) > and Soo-zeh (as in German suse) Hi, this is a funny subject to talk about, as we are ourself not sure how to pronounce it in english... :-) But I think we should try to get the german pronounciation established here in the US too. This is the way the most SuSE users pronounce it. If there are more SuSE users in the US than in germany we can change... :)) Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Metro X server vs SuSE
by bb＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Luis A. Costabile wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Benjamin van Ruyssevelt wrote: > > > > > I have recently installed RedHat 5.0 on my notebook. everything is working > > fine. I try to use it as my main OS, but I have W95 on the side because I > > regularly use dos-software. I was wondering if anybody had any experience > > or opinions regarding the installation of the X server included in the SuSE > > package. > > > > Does anubody have any experience with this card and the installation of the > > SuSE server(s).. > > Benjamin, I used one of SuSE's X servers with my XFree86 because the > regular X servers didn't support my AGP card. Their server works very > well, no problems that I've found. My understanding is they will give to > the XFree86 group the code they've developed to incorporate into the > regular XFree86. Yes they will. We're very close to the XFree86 team and our servers have the same copyrights etc as the netive XFree86 servers. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Pap, PPP,and EZPPP...my luck
by zentara＠mindspring.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Eric L. Green wrote: > Please don't! Just use YaST to set up your nameserver! > > Not needed. Just add the user to the "uucp" group and the "dialout" group. > > > 3. chown root.root /usr/sbin/pppd > > PLEASE please don't! It's already chown'ed and chmod'ed! The SuSE people > did this one right (unlike Red Hat, sigh). > > > 8. put the ezppp binary in each dialout users home directory > > and let them own it. > > Err, just stick it into /usr/local/bin. The setup file(s) will still be > stored into each dialout users' home directory. > > Or better yet, just download the "ezppp" rpm from ftp.redhat.com and let > 'rpm' manage where it is installed. > > The chmod's and chown's are NOT needed with SuSE. I dialout just fine > using ezppp with the default permissions. Just add the user to the > "dialout" and "uucp" groups. The chmod's and chown's are only needed with > distributions (such as Red Hat) that don't have pppd already chown'ed, > chgrp'ed, and chmod'ed with the proper permissions. Well Gary, thanks for pointing all this out.!!!!! To be honest, I have been having trouble with security and Suse, the way I had it set up. Yesterday after I posted that message, I was online for about an hour, and after rebooting.........MY ROOT PASSWORD was gone!!!!! The login would accept my users password, but not root. Someone did something while I was online. I only had the yast security set to easy, but it is scary to realize how vulnerable you can be with a faulty setup. What do you think happened, did they knock out my shadowed password? I'm learning the hard way. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by lach＠lach.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

A quick jump in here...... How does the syquest compare to the JAZ Drive from Iomega. I personally have had nothing but headaches from every Iomega product. Lach Eric L. Green wrote: > On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, gman wrote: > > I'm interested in purchasing an internal iomaga zip driver. Are these > > drives compatible with Linux? Since there IDE my guess would be yes. > > However, I'm not certain about this. > > Just be sure to compile in the "IDE Floppy" support or it may have > trouble ejecting the disk. > > You may wish to look at the SyQuest SparQ. 1gb per disk, only costs $199 > U.S., disks only cost $30 or so U.S.... much more affordable than zip. > > Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants > Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions > You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by exec＠prysm.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, gman wrote: > I'm interested in purchasing an internal iomaga zip driver. Are these > drives compatible with Linux? Since there IDE my guess would be yes. > However, I'm not certain about this. Just be sure to compile in the "IDE Floppy" support or it may have trouble ejecting the disk. You may wish to look at the SyQuest SparQ. 1gb per disk, only costs $199 U.S., disks only cost $30 or so U.S.... much more affordable than zip. Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by wenzel＠b0rv04.fnal.gov 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

> hi i am using an internal (atapi) iomega zip drive in my toshiba 205cds notebook. no problems.You need kernel 2.0.31 or 2.0.32Select "Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support (new)" in the menu "Floppy, IDE, and other block devices" when doing "make menuconfig" then i put the following lines into /etc/fstab /dev/hdc1 /zip ext2 rw,noauto,user 2 2 /dev/hdc4 /dosz vfat rw,noauto,user 2 2 to let the user mount the device with mount /zip (ext2 fs) or mount /dosz (vfat fs) (depending how the zip medium is formatted ) cheers hans > Hi, > > I'm interested in purchasing an internal iomaga zip driver. Are these > drives compatible with Linux? Since there IDE my guess would be yes. > However, I'm not certain about this. > > Thanks, > Scott Gray > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] iomaga internal zip drive
by 1sgray＠preferred.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Hi, I'm interested in purchasing an internal iomaga zip driver. Are these drives compatible with Linux? Since there IDE my guess would be yes. However, I'm not certain about this. Thanks, Scott Gray -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Pap, PPP,and EZPPP...my luck
by exec＠prysm.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, zentara wrote: > AS root you must > 1. chmod 666 /etc/resolv.conf Please don't! Just use YaST to set up your nameserver! > 2. chmod 666 /dev/modem Not needed. Just add the user to the "uucp" group and the "dialout" group. > 3. chown root.root /usr/sbin/pppd PLEASE please don't! It's already chown'ed and chmod'ed! The SuSE people did this one right (unlike Red Hat, sigh). > 8. put the ezppp binary in each dialout users home directory > and let them own it. Err, just stick it into /usr/local/bin. The setup file(s) will still be stored into each dialout users' home directory. Or better yet, just download the "ezppp" rpm from ftp.redhat.com and let 'rpm' manage where it is installed. > Well this works great for me. I don't know what the > security implications are of the chmod's and chown's. The chmod's and chown's are NOT needed with SuSE. I dialout just fine using ezppp with the default permissions. Just add the user to the "dialout" and "uucp" groups. The chmod's and chown's are only needed with distributions (such as Red Hat) that don't have pppd already chown'ed, chgrp'ed, and chmod'ed with the proper permissions. The only exception might be the /etc/resolv.conf file. This is a security risk in some situations, but if you are dialing multiple ISP's, each of which has a different nameserver, you'll need to let ezppp patch resolv.conf. (If you don't know why world write access to resolv.conf is a security risk, think "rogue nameservers"). For a single-user system, though, world-write to resolv.conf isn't a real security risk. > I really barely know the basics of security. Nice thing to do would be to get a book on the subject. Check the O'Reilley & Associates web site, they have a good one. There are also reasonable introductory chapters on security in the Red Hat manual (available online at www.redhat.com) and in the LDP Linux Configuration & Administration manual (available in your /usr/doc directory if you installed the Linux Documentation Project). There may also be one in the SuSE manual, but I'm still chugging my way through that one (it's rather dense reading). Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Steven Thanks, yes I did eventually copy the system xinitrc over because I didn't have one. SuSE didn't copy one over by default. Its funny I was going in and out of X a lot and just happened to remember .xinitrc. When I saw I didn't have it is when I copied over the Slackware version which, as you said, the paths were incorrect. It took another post to make me think enough to go look for the system file. Thanks again, Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 11:38:48PM -0600 In reply to:Steven 'Svet' Downum Quoting Steven 'Svet' Downum (svet(a)alamo.satlug.org): > > > > > Michael > > > > Glad you mentioned .xinitrc. As I recall, you upgraded from SuSE > > 5.0. Well I just started with 5.1. I DON'T have an .xinitrc at all. > > I copied my Slackware .xinitrc over and X WOULDN'T START! Gave me an > > error and flat out quit. So I have to go with what they give me, if > > you know what I mean. Maybe we SHOULD RTFM, huh? > > If I recall, you don't automatically get any sort of .xinitrc unless: > > a) you start x for the first time and the system writes you one. > b) you go to /var/X11R6/lib/xinit/ and do the following: > > cp xinitrc $HOME/.xinitrc > > then make changes to your personal .xinitrc to your tastes. > > As for your Slackware version of .xinitrc, it probably wouldn't work, > since Slackware and S.u.S.E have some differences in directory structure. > Plus, i think where the Slackware tarball puts certain files and where the > rpm puts things is diffrent. this can cause problems. Again, Slackware > doesn't automatically start with a .xinitrc file in every new users > directory...I believe, as with S.u.S.E, it apperas there after teh first > successful X session or if you copied the system default xinitrc into your > home directory. > > > I hope that helps with some confusion > > > svet > > > > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux > > Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 07:46:52PM -0800 > > > > In reply to:Michael Perry > > > > Quoting Michael Perry (mperry(a)mperry.basin.com): > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500, Wayne Topa stated: > > > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > > > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > > > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > > > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > > > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > > > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > > > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > > > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > > > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > > > > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > > > > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > > > > competition. > > > > -- > > > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > > > -- > > > --Michael Perry-- > > > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com > > > -- > > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > -- > > -- > > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > > competition. > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

James Thanks. Your post made me think about xinitrc and I found that the one from Slackware had different paths to sysresources & sysmodmap! I should have checked that before. I copied over the system xinitrc, modified it and now all is well. On that WINDOWMANAGER export you mentioned, logging out & back in won't change it. A reboot does but better yet I find that running SuSEconfig does log in the change to /etc/profile. Then a log out/in does find the $WINDOWMANAGER OK. Your solution is much better tho. Leave profile alone and just use your .xinitrc. I wouldn't have even looked at profile if MY OLD(!!) .xinitrc had worked. Thanks! Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 08:20:32PM -0800 In reply to:James C. Carr Quoting James C. Carr (jccarr(a)nwlink.com): > > > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > > > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > > If I understand /etc/profile, the file gets read during every log > on. This would require you to log off then back on to have /etc/profile > re-read. However, if you're just looking to do something minor, like > setting the WINDOWMANAGER variable, then you just need to use : > > export WINDOWMANAGER=startkde (for KDE use) > > Because KDE is something of a Window system (and not just a window > manager), it's easier to use the startkde script; that'll give you the > kpanel, kfm, and the desktop. Or one could edit the .xinitrc and call all > three individually (kpanel, kfm, and kde, that is). So, if you're looking > to modify X for just one user, you could go either way : > > 1) Edit /etc/profile and specify WINDOWMANAGER > > 2) Edit $HOME/.xinitrc and specify things there > > Since I'm not too familiar with SuSE just yet, I don't really on > WINDOWMANAGER for any of the WMs that did not get included with SuSE. For > example, to use WindowMaker, I call wmaker from .xinitrc; to use > AfterStep, I rename my .xinitrc and export WINDOWMANAGER=afterstep. > > Hope this helped, > > -- James > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Samba, Printing and apsfilter
by exec＠prysm.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Steven 'Svet' Downum wrote: > rather ugly. I would use apsfilter to fix this problem, however smbprint > is called as a filter in the /etc/printcap entry. Has anyone faced this Well, I had a similar problem prior to apsfilter being written. What I did was write a short little script that calls the epsonps (a text-to-Postscript converter) and ghostscript programs as part of a pipeline that leads to the smbprint command. Later I incorporated it into a complete printer administration and setup facility (similar to YAST in concept) which will filter input in a variety of ways and dispatch the output to SMB, Netware, UUCP, RSH, etc. depending on the setup variables for the print spool. I wrote the system in Python because it was too large to write as a shell script and still retain my sanity, and I didn't have a few spare months to write it in "C". Unfortunately I don't know if that printer system will work on SuSE, but here's the relevant portion: /usr/localbin/standard-spoolbacks/ps-filter | smbclient \\\\pams_win95\\panasonic $PASSWORD $IP -P $USER $WORKGROUP -c 'print -' where ps-filter is: nenscript -TUS -ZB -p- | gs -q -sDEVICE=$DEVICE \ -r$RESOLUTION \ -sPAPERSIZE=$PAPERSIZE \ -dNOPAUSE \ -dSAFER \ -sOutputFile=- - Note that this is from an earlier pre-Python version of the system that hardwired things into individual shell scripts for the printers. You may have to change things for SuSE, in particular, SuSE doesn't use 'nenscript' as its Ascii-to-Postscript filter. Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by exec＠prysm.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know You might replace "exec kde" with "exec startkde". At least with Beta 2. (I installed the Beta 2 RPM's off of redhat.com and they work fine). Eric Lee Green exec(a)softdisk.com Executive Consultants Systems Specialist Educational Administration Solutions You might be a redneck if you put on insect repellant prior to a date. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] problems with update rpm for ggmp
by 1sgray＠preferred.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Hi, I get the following when I try to install the updated gimp rpm: bobcat:/home/sgray1 # rpm -Uvh --force gimp.rpm failed dependencies: libxdelta.so.0 is needed by gimp-0.99.17-0 libgimp.so.1 is needed by photocd-1.12-8 libgimp.so.1 is needed by sane-0.63-4 I did install the gtk.rpm prior to this. Has anyone else had simular probems? Thanks, ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Scott Gray <1sgray(a)preferred.com> Date: 02-Feb-98 Time: 09:48:32 Linux version 2.0.33 ---------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re[2]: [S.u.S.E. Linux] MicroStation 95
by rolf＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

> > What is this program you are talking about ? > > Does it look like W95 ? Microstation is a 2D/3D CAD software available for Linux (have a look at <A HREF="http://www.bentley.com/"><A HREF="http://www.bentley.com/</A">http://www.bentley.com/</A</A>>). As far as I remember it's completly in English! sincerly, Rolf Haberrecker ##################################################################### # Rolf Haberrecker, M.A. S.u.S.E. GmbH fon +49-911-3247130 # # rolf(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 fax +49-911-3206727 # # <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/</A">http://www.suse.com/</A</A>> # ##################################################################### -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package question (SuSE)
by choeger＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > Just found an interesting command, which is new to me, tcpdchk, it > checks out the inetd file for errors. Mine ( from SuSE 5.1) seems to > have a few errors that I wonder if SuSE might know about: > > > tcpdchk > warning: /etc/inetd.conf, line 91: /usr/lib/xcept4/bin/ceptd: not > found: No such file or directory > warning: /etc/inetd.conf, line 99: in.midinetd: not found in > /usr/sbin: No such file or directory > > > As of now they are not affecting me (I don't think ?) but you never > know. They are probably for some package I haven't loaded but thought > Yast would handle that as part of the configuration administration(?). You can ignore these messages. ceptd is used for btx (german: Bildschirmtext) I don't know what midinet is for. :-) You may comment it out. > Also found that there are no man pages or Info files for inetd.conf(5) and > tlid.conf(5). I found this out while reading up on tcpdck. > > SuSE guys, are these available on your site somewhere?? take a look at 'man inetd'... mfG, Carsten Hoeger ------ Carsten Hoeger - S.u.S.E. GmbH - Gebhardtstr. 2 - 90762 Fuerth - Germany fax +49-911-3206727 web <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> In no sense, nonsense... -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by choeger＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Mike Hostetler wrote: > What I see is this: > I'm presently using smail, but I saw the same results with sendmail. > Things look like this: > > 118 jesusfreak:~ > /usr/lib/sendmail -v mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu > hello > . > write_log:Received FROM:mikeh PROGRAM:sendmail SIZE:76 > mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu: cse.unl.edu matched by bind_hosts: > routed mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu --> mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu at cse.unl.edu > transport hint mx 0 cse.unl.edu > address hint cse.unl.edu 129.93.33.1 > transport inet_zone_bind_smtp uses driver tcpsmtp > lock retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu > lock succeeded (will defer failure) retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu > transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: connect to host cse.unl.edu [129.93.33.1]/smtp...connected > transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: 451 <mikeh(a)jesusfreak.binary.net>... Sender domain must resolve > unlock (success) retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu > write_log:Deferred TO:mhostetl@cse.unl.edu ROUTER:bind_hosts TRANSPORT:inet_zone_bind_smtp ERROR:(ERR151) transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: 451 <mikeh(a)jesusfreak.binary.net>... Sender domain must resolve > > So it can't resolve my hostname, which wouldn't happen if I had a static > ip address. What is the way around this??? I can't resolve jesusfreak.binary.net, too. What I can resolve, is binary.net. Perhaps the only thing you have to do is to set FROM_HEADER=binary.net in /etc/rc.config mfG, Carsten Hoeger ------ Carsten Hoeger - S.u.S.E. GmbH - Gebhardtstr. 2 - 90762 Fuerth - Germany fax +49-911-3206727 web <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> In no sense, nonsense... -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail problems
by thehaas＠ravine.binary.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

I'm having some serious problems when trying to send mail out over my PPP connection. My ISP have dynamic ip addressing, which adds to the problem. What I see is this: I'm presently using smail, but I saw the same results with sendmail. Things look like this: 118 jesusfreak:~ > /usr/lib/sendmail -v mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu hello . write_log:Received FROM:mikeh PROGRAM:sendmail SIZE:76 mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu: cse.unl.edu matched by bind_hosts: routed mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu --> mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu at cse.unl.edu transport hint mx 0 cse.unl.edu address hint cse.unl.edu 129.93.33.1 transport inet_zone_bind_smtp uses driver tcpsmtp lock retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu lock succeeded (will defer failure) retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: connect to host cse.unl.edu [129.93.33.1]/smtp...connected transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: 451 <mikeh(a)jesusfreak.binary.net>... Sender domain must resolve unlock (success) retry/smtp/cse.unl.edu write_log:Deferred TO:mhostetl@cse.unl.edu ROUTER:bind_hosts TRANSPORT:inet_zone_bind_smtp ERROR:(ERR151) transport inet_zone_bind_smtp: 451 <mikeh(a)jesusfreak.binary.net>... Sender domain must resolve So it can't resolve my hostname, which wouldn't happen if I had a static ip address. What is the way around this??? - mikeh -- ============================================================================== || Mike Hostetler || || <A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas"><A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A">http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A</A>> || || email1: mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu || || email2: thehaas(a)binary.net || ============================================================================== || `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just || || stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, || || *for free*".' - Linus Torvalds || ============================================================================== -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] MicroStation 95
by bennie＠xs4all.nl 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

What is this program you are talking about ? Does it look like W95 ? On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:54:06 -0900 (AKST) "W.D. McKinney" <deem(a)wdm.com> wrote: > > I'm wondering if there is a version of MicroStation 95 in the English language > for the other than German users ? Be great to see one. > > Regards > -Dee > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > ______________________ Benjamin van Ruyssevelt ICQ 4739669 -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Running SuSE Linux
by Martin.Scherbaum＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Hi, I actually do not read this list, but the below messages was forwarded to me to bring a bit of light ;-) > From: Michael Perry <mperry(a)mperry.basin.com> > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: Running SuSE Linux > > > On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500, Wayne Topa stated: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux > > Date: Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:37:14PM -0800 > > > > In reply to:Bodo Bauer > > > > Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > > > > > > > > Eric L. Green wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see any way to start up a different window manager other than > > > > the SuSE-offered ones, without modifying the actual "startx" script. Most > > > > installations' "startx" respects the .Xclients file and sources its > > > > contents prior to doing whatever other stuff is desired. I didn't see > > > > anything in SuSE's "startx" that did that. > > > > and Bodo replied > > > > > > > > Yust set environment variable WINDOWMANAGER to the wm you like... > > > > > > > Well I tried that. As a user, I did, export WINDOWMAKER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95 > > and then startx. Nope still fvwm2. So I exited and logged in again. > > Same thing. So I then modified /etc/profile and changed IT to fvwm95. > > Logged in the user again and STILL fvwm2. Checked WINDOWMANAGER and > > it was still fvwm2. So rebooted the system ( This really should NOT > > be necessary!!!) and YES WINDOWMANAGER is now /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95. > > Logged in the used and did startx, again. Windowmanager is STILL > > fvwm2. > > > > For those that might write and so SO WHAT, the user can change it to > > what ever he wants. NO SO /etc/profile is common to all users. If > > the change HAS to be made there it will be the same for ALL USERS. > > > > I still don't know why I have to reboot the system to get changes > > logged in. There MUST be a better way but I have not found it yet. > > > > I still have not finished RTFM yet tho. Who ever told me that this > > was just like Slackware must have never run Slackware! > > > > In playing(!) around in X with the window managers (switching back & > > forth checking them out) I had something happen that I have never seen > > on Linux before. I had finally had enough and Hit the button to exit > > fvwm2 & X. Windows did not exit, just closed a couple of xterms and > > HUNG. So I hit ctrl/alr/BS and at that point the system HUNG. By > > HUNG I mean, I could switch to other consoles but nothing was accepted > > from the keyboard on ANY console. The hard disk was clicking away but > > ALL users were locked out. After 15 minutes of this I shut down the > > power to the computer. Rebooting went normal (all partitions had to be > > fsck'ed of course) but the system came up fine. With WINDOWMANAGER > > pointing to fvwm95 but X coming up in fvwm2. > > > > This is starting NOT to be fun, guys! > > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > > > Wayne So, let me say something about the principles. Since 5.1 we have minor changes to reflect needs of KDE. In /etc/profile you'll find a line like that: WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 export WINDOWMANAGER For convenience and compatibility to KDE you should change that to test -z "$WINDOWMANAGER" && WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 export WINDOWMANAGER This is needed since KDM sets WINDOWMANAGER explicitely. Otherwise the WINDOWMANAGER set by KDM would be overwritten by /etc/profile /etc/profile sets that for all users in the system If one wants to modify the WINDOWMANAGER setting for one user, the change should be done in ~/.bashrc there also, should be a test for the WINDOWMANAGER (if you want to use it flexibly from KDM): test -z "$WINDOWMANAGER" && WINDOWMANAGER=mywindowmanager export WINDOWMANAGER If you explicitely want to use a specific window manager, place that in ~/.bashrc: WINDOWMANAGER=mywindowmanager export WINDOWMANAGER NB: you do not need to specify the full path to the window manager binary if it is in PATH! The described problem with having to reboot is not known yet. If you do changes to /etc/profile, you have to logout, at least. This could not work, if you use xdm oder kdm since they use a shell themselves. WINDOWMANAGER is set then to default fvwm2. You could shutdown xdm then and restart it (init 2; init 3). Then, the changes in /etc/profile are valid for xdm logins, too. One should not place WINDOWMANAGER in ~/.xinitrc directly, but in ~/.bashrc as described above. OK, I hope I could bring a bit of light in the discussion. Martin Scherbaum, S.u.S.E. Supportteam ########################################################################### # Martin Scherbaum, M.A. S.u.S.E. GmbH phone +49-911-3247130 # # maddin(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 fax +49-911-3206727 # # <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany mailbox +49-911-3247122 # ########################################################################### -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] MicroStation 95
by deem＠wdm.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

I'm wondering if there is a version of MicroStation 95 in the English language for the other than German users ? Be great to see one. Regards -Dee -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re[2]: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by rolf＠suse.de 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

> > I liked the way that most stock SuSE applications installed an icon. > > Too bad you can't do that with Netscape and thus must leave its icon and > > menu item there all the time. Any idea when you can make a deal with > > Netscape to include Netscape? > > The Netscpae Icon should only appear when netscape is installed...?! No, the Netscape icon appears if /usr/X11R6/bin/Netscape is installed, which reads: trap "" 31 prog="" if [ -x /opt/netscape/netscape ] ; then prog="/opt/netscape/netscape" else prog="$prog $(type -p netscape)" prog="$prog $(type -p netscape_301)" prog="$prog $(type -p netscape_303)" prog="$prog $(type -p Mosaic)" prog="$prog $(type -p mosaic)" prog="$prog $(type -p arena)" prog="$prog $(type -p amaya)" fi whatever browser is available will be started. So once netscape is installed, it can be started by icon, otherwise arena will appear. sincerly, Rolf Haberrecker ##################################################################### # Rolf Haberrecker, M.A. S.u.S.E. GmbH fon +49-911-3247130 # # rolf(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 fax +49-911-3206727 # # <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/</A">http://www.suse.com/</A</A>> # ##################################################################### -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

OK, Found the answer to the rebooting question. If you make changes to /etc/profile (and others I'd guess), just run /sbin/SuSEconfig, log out and back in. The changes will be there. I guess thats in th Fine Manual but I haven't got to that section as of yet. That is different then I am used to but I can live wit that. Bodo, would this have taken care of that question I had about removing a package, updating a new version into a different directory and having the system not find the new one til I rebooted? Bet that was it. Well this might help others out, even if I look like a dumb bell! Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500 In reply to:Wayne Topa Quoting Wayne Topa (wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com): > > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux > Date: Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:37:14PM -0800 > > In reply to:Bodo Bauer > > Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > > > > > Eric L. Green wrote: > > > > > > I don't see any way to start up a different window manager other than > > > the SuSE-offered ones, without modifying the actual "startx" script. Most > > > installations' "startx" respects the .Xclients file and sources its > > > contents prior to doing whatever other stuff is desired. I didn't see > > > anything in SuSE's "startx" that did that. > > and Bodo replied > > > > > Yust set environment variable WINDOWMANAGER to the wm you like... > > > > Well I tried that. As a user, I did, export WINDOWMAKER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95 > and then startx. Nope still fvwm2. So I exited and logged in again. > Same thing. So I then modified /etc/profile and changed IT to fvwm95. > Logged in the user again and STILL fvwm2. Checked WINDOWMANAGER and > it was still fvwm2. So rebooted the system ( This really should NOT > be necessary!!!) and YES WINDOWMANAGER is now /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95. > Logged in the used and did startx, again. Windowmanager is STILL > fvwm2. > > For those that might write and so SO WHAT, the user can change it to > what ever he wants. NO SO /etc/profile is common to all users. If > the change HAS to be made there it will be the same for ALL USERS. > > I still don't know why I have to reboot the system to get changes > logged in. There MUST be a better way but I have not found it yet. > > I still have not finished RTFM yet tho. Who ever told me that this > was just like Slackware must have never run Slackware! > > In playing(!) around in X with the window managers (switching back & > forth checking them out) I had something happen that I have never seen > on Linux before. I had finally had enough and Hit the button to exit > fvwm2 & X. Windows did not exit, just closed a couple of xterms and > HUNG. So I hit ctrl/alr/BS and at that point the system HUNG. By > HUNG I mean, I could switch to other consoles but nothing was accepted > from the keyboard on ANY console. The hard disk was clicking away but > ALL users were locked out. After 15 minutes of this I shut down the > power to the computer. Rebooting went normal (all partitions had to be > fsck'ed of course) but the system came up fine. With WINDOWMANAGER > pointing to fvwm95 but X coming up in fvwm2. > > This is starting NOT to be fun, guys! > > Wayne > > > -- > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > competition. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by svet＠alamo.satlug.org 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

> > Michael > > Glad you mentioned .xinitrc. As I recall, you upgraded from SuSE > 5.0. Well I just started with 5.1. I DON'T have an .xinitrc at all. > I copied my Slackware .xinitrc over and X WOULDN'T START! Gave me an > error and flat out quit. So I have to go with what they give me, if > you know what I mean. Maybe we SHOULD RTFM, huh? If I recall, you don't automatically get any sort of .xinitrc unless: a) you start x for the first time and the system writes you one. b) you go to /var/X11R6/lib/xinit/ and do the following: cp xinitrc $HOME/.xinitrc then make changes to your personal .xinitrc to your tastes. As for your Slackware version of .xinitrc, it probably wouldn't work, since Slackware and S.u.S.E have some differences in directory structure. Plus, i think where the Slackware tarball puts certain files and where the rpm puts things is diffrent. this can cause problems. Again, Slackware doesn't automatically start with a .xinitrc file in every new users directory...I believe, as with S.u.S.E, it apperas there after teh first successful X session or if you copied the system default xinitrc into your home directory. I hope that helps with some confusion svet > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux > Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 07:46:52PM -0800 > > In reply to:Michael Perry > > Quoting Michael Perry (mperry(a)mperry.basin.com): > > > > On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500, Wayne Topa stated: > > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > > > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > > > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > > > competition. > > > -- > > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > -- > > --Michael Perry-- > > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > -- > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > competition. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by svet＠alamo.satlug.org 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

> > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > > > -- > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a > 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > > competition. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to > majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe > suse-linux-e > Michael, In KDE, there is a script called "startkde." You need to change your .xinitrc to say WINDOWMANAGER=/opt/kde/bin/startkde. That brings up more than the windowmanager..it brings up the windowmanager, kfm, and kpanel, as well as some background stuff, like kaudioserver. Just looking at my set up on S.u.S.E 5.1, I know there is a /usr/X11R6/bin/kde and a /opt/kde/bin/startkde. The scripts look exactly the same, however, I haven't used the kde executable, since in most of the KDE documentation, they reccomend using the startkde script. This has yet to fail me. I have worked with beta 1 and beta 2 of kde, and once I get everything configured, it runs like a dream. If you are still having problems, email me your kde and startkde scripts, and I'll compare them. best regards, svet > -- > --Michael Perry-- > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Michael Glad you mentioned .xinitrc. As I recall, you upgraded from SuSE 5.0. Well I just started with 5.1. I DON'T have an .xinitrc at all. I copied my Slackware .xinitrc over and X WOULDN'T START! Gave me an error and flat out quit. So I have to go with what they give me, if you know what I mean. Maybe we SHOULD RTFM, huh? BTW, try running /sbin/SuSEconfig after you make changes to /etc/profile. That logs in the changes, here BUT YMMV, as they say. Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 07:46:52PM -0800 In reply to:Michael Perry Quoting Michael Perry (mperry(a)mperry.basin.com): > > On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500, Wayne Topa stated: > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > > > > Wayne > > > > > > -- > > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > > competition. > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > --Michael Perry-- > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by jccarr＠nwlink.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Michael Perry wrote: > Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc > in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts > of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know > what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in > /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would > like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager > and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the > windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and > enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? If I understand /etc/profile, the file gets read during every log on. This would require you to log off then back on to have /etc/profile re-read. However, if you're just looking to do something minor, like setting the WINDOWMANAGER variable, then you just need to use : export WINDOWMANAGER=startkde (for KDE use) Because KDE is something of a Window system (and not just a window manager), it's easier to use the startkde script; that'll give you the kpanel, kfm, and the desktop. Or one could edit the .xinitrc and call all three individually (kpanel, kfm, and kde, that is). So, if you're looking to modify X for just one user, you could go either way : 1) Edit /etc/profile and specify WINDOWMANAGER 2) Edit $HOME/.xinitrc and specify things there Since I'm not too familiar with SuSE just yet, I don't really on WINDOWMANAGER for any of the WMs that did not get included with SuSE. For example, to use WindowMaker, I call wmaker from .xinitrc; to use AfterStep, I rename my .xinitrc and export WINDOWMANAGER=afterstep. Hope this helped, -- James -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by mperry＠mperry.basin.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500, Wayne Topa stated: > > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux > Date: Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:37:14PM -0800 > > In reply to:Bodo Bauer > > Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > > > > > Eric L. Green wrote: > > > > > > I don't see any way to start up a different window manager other than > > > the SuSE-offered ones, without modifying the actual "startx" script. Most > > > installations' "startx" respects the .Xclients file and sources its > > > contents prior to doing whatever other stuff is desired. I didn't see > > > anything in SuSE's "startx" that did that. > > and Bodo replied > > > > > Yust set environment variable WINDOWMANAGER to the wm you like... > > > > Well I tried that. As a user, I did, export WINDOWMAKER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95 > and then startx. Nope still fvwm2. So I exited and logged in again. > Same thing. So I then modified /etc/profile and changed IT to fvwm95. > Logged in the user again and STILL fvwm2. Checked WINDOWMANAGER and > it was still fvwm2. So rebooted the system ( This really should NOT > be necessary!!!) and YES WINDOWMANAGER is now /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95. > Logged in the used and did startx, again. Windowmanager is STILL > fvwm2. > > For those that might write and so SO WHAT, the user can change it to > what ever he wants. NO SO /etc/profile is common to all users. If > the change HAS to be made there it will be the same for ALL USERS. > > I still don't know why I have to reboot the system to get changes > logged in. There MUST be a better way but I have not found it yet. > > I still have not finished RTFM yet tho. Who ever told me that this > was just like Slackware must have never run Slackware! > > In playing(!) around in X with the window managers (switching back & > forth checking them out) I had something happen that I have never seen > on Linux before. I had finally had enough and Hit the button to exit > fvwm2 & X. Windows did not exit, just closed a couple of xterms and > HUNG. So I hit ctrl/alr/BS and at that point the system HUNG. By > HUNG I mean, I could switch to other consoles but nothing was accepted > from the keyboard on ANY console. The hard disk was clicking away but > ALL users were locked out. After 15 minutes of this I shut down the > power to the computer. Rebooting went normal (all partitions had to be > fsck'ed of course) but the system came up fine. With WINDOWMANAGER > pointing to fvwm95 but X coming up in fvwm2. > > This is starting NOT to be fun, guys! Another interesting thing with kde and SuSE 5.1 here. If I edit .xinitrc in my home directory to reflect exec kde I get kde but not the actual guts of kde. I get the windowmanager only but no functionality, if you know what I mean. I can only change windowmanagers by changing it in /etc/profile, logging out, and letting my profile be read again. I would like it if someone would explain how /etc/profile sets the windowmanager and why it cannot dynamically be changed. It seems to change the windowmanager one must edit /etc/profile, change it there, then logout and enter the console again. Is this correct, in essence? > Wayne > > > -- > Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > competition. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)mperry.basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:37:14PM -0800 In reply to:Bodo Bauer Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb(a)suse.de): > > > Eric L. Green wrote: > > > > I don't see any way to start up a different window manager other than > > the SuSE-offered ones, without modifying the actual "startx" script. Most > > installations' "startx" respects the .Xclients file and sources its > > contents prior to doing whatever other stuff is desired. I didn't see > > anything in SuSE's "startx" that did that. and Bodo replied > > Yust set environment variable WINDOWMANAGER to the wm you like... > Well I tried that. As a user, I did, export WINDOWMAKER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95 and then startx. Nope still fvwm2. So I exited and logged in again. Same thing. So I then modified /etc/profile and changed IT to fvwm95. Logged in the user again and STILL fvwm2. Checked WINDOWMANAGER and it was still fvwm2. So rebooted the system ( This really should NOT be necessary!!!) and YES WINDOWMANAGER is now /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95. Logged in the used and did startx, again. Windowmanager is STILL fvwm2. For those that might write and so SO WHAT, the user can change it to what ever he wants. NO SO /etc/profile is common to all users. If the change HAS to be made there it will be the same for ALL USERS. I still don't know why I have to reboot the system to get changes logged in. There MUST be a better way but I have not found it yet. I still have not finished RTFM yet tho. Who ever told me that this was just like Slackware must have never run Slackware! In playing(!) around in X with the window managers (switching back & forth checking them out) I had something happen that I have never seen on Linux before. I had finally had enough and Hit the button to exit fvwm2 & X. Windows did not exit, just closed a couple of xterms and HUNG. So I hit ctrl/alr/BS and at that point the system HUNG. By HUNG I mean, I could switch to other consoles but nothing was accepted from the keyboard on ANY console. The hard disk was clicking away but ALL users were locked out. After 15 minutes of this I shut down the power to the computer. Rebooting went normal (all partitions had to be fsck'ed of course) but the system came up fine. With WINDOWMANAGER pointing to fvwm95 but X coming up in fvwm2. This is starting NOT to be fun, guys! Wayne -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

If it DID over ride the one in /etc/profile I would not have written the first message in this thread if the first place! My custom prompt in .bash_profile DIDN't work, UNTIL I commented out the PROMPT_COMMAND in /etc/profile. Did you read all the threaded messages??? Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem? Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 09:06:24PM -0500 In reply to:Luis A. Costabile Quoting Luis A. Costabile (luis(a)lac.resonet.com): > > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > > > > Found the answer to this one. It is NOT a Bash 2 problem! > > It is another SuSE gotcha! > > > > SuSE customizes the login prompt for EVERYONE in /etc/profile > > with PROMPT_COMMAND. If you comment that out users can customize > > their own prompt in .bash_profile, like always. The lines in the > > original message (below) work just fine now. > > Why comment it out? it's meant for users who don't have or need a special > prompt. If you do need something diff then your variable will over ride > the one in /etc/profile. > > -- > Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 > <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> > To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. > > You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. > Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes > -- > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by luis＠lac.resonet.com 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > Found the answer to this one. It is NOT a Bash 2 problem! > It is another SuSE gotcha! > > SuSE customizes the login prompt for EVERYONE in /etc/profile > with PROMPT_COMMAND. If you comment that out users can customize > their own prompt in .bash_profile, like always. The lines in the > original message (below) work just fine now. Why comment it out? it's meant for users who don't have or need a special prompt. If you do need something diff then your variable will over ride the one in /etc/profile. -- Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Found the answer to this one. It is NOT a Bash 2 problem! It is another SuSE gotcha! SuSE customizes the login prompt for EVERYONE in /etc/profile with PROMPT_COMMAND. If you comment that out users can customize their own prompt in .bash_profile, like always. The lines in the original message (below) work just fine now. Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem? Date: Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 04:20:21PM -0500 In reply to:Wayne Topa Quoting Wayne Topa (wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com): > > Hello > > I wonder if there are any Bash 2.0 guru's on this list? I had a > prompt line set up that worked in Bash 1 that doesn't now. Have tried > to get working but to no avail. > > Here it is: > > V_TERM=`tty` > export PS1="\[`setterm -foreground green`\]\[`setterm -bold > on`\]VT${V_TERM##/dev/tty} \u-S1:\w\\$\[`setterm -default`\] " > > Not a big deal but I am curious. Any ideas?? > > Wayne > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Troubles upgrading to 5.1
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Geee Michael, this sounds like SuSE should have the same warning as Slackware does on upgrading. DON'T without starting from a clean HD. I will follow this thread with MUCH interest. Hope that you can get some answers from SuSE on this one! Wayne Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Troubles upgrading to 5.1 Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 11:15:06AM -0800 In reply to:Michael Perry Quoting Michael Perry (mperry(a)mperry.basin.com): > > I recently (read last nite) upgraded from SuSE 5.0 to 5.1. The first part > when quite well which included booting the cd, telling yast to upgrade > only selected software packages, and then checking out which ones were > actually going to come. I got the usual post install message since I > gather some software is on other cd disks and was told to reboot and the > rest would be done. I did this but then found that yast claimed all had > been done and came up with a few mislinked libraries, programs that > suddenly wouldn't work like WABI, an upgraded x server which completely > overwrote my existing and somewhat customized .fvwm2rc, and installing the > demo version of applix over my registered copy. I had correctly selected > all the options but still even after saving the config on a floppy > diskette as it asked spent some amount of time figuring out why suddenly > things like slang were not linked correctly, why WABI complained suddenly > about /dev/zero, and why the /etc files like profile were completely > overwritten. > Libraries I had compiled myself like xforms and slang seemed broken or > symbolic links had not been maintained in the upgrade process. Is this > normal? I thought yast would make copies of things like profile from the > existing installation and perhaps my .fvwm2rc. I always keep copies so > its not a totally big deal. I am more curious about how this happened and > what I perhaps did wrong. Does yast have a problem with libraries that I > compile without using it? > > > -- > --Michael Perry-- > mperry(a)mperry.basin.com > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Troubles upgrading to 5.1
by mperry＠mperry.basin.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

I recently (read last nite) upgraded from SuSE 5.0 to 5.1. The first part when quite well which included booting the cd, telling yast to upgrade only selected software packages, and then checking out which ones were actually going to come. I got the usual post install message since I gather some software is on other cd disks and was told to reboot and the rest would be done. I did this but then found that yast claimed all had been done and came up with a few mislinked libraries, programs that suddenly wouldn't work like WABI, an upgraded x server which completely overwrote my existing and somewhat customized .fvwm2rc, and installing the demo version of applix over my registered copy. I had correctly selected all the options but still even after saving the config on a floppy diskette as it asked spent some amount of time figuring out why suddenly things like slang were not linked correctly, why WABI complained suddenly about /dev/zero, and why the /etc files like profile were completely overwritten. Libraries I had compiled myself like xforms and slang seemed broken or symbolic links had not been maintained in the upgrade process. Is this normal? I thought yast would make copies of things like profile from the existing installation and perhaps my .fvwm2rc. I always keep copies so its not a totally big deal. I am more curious about how this happened and what I perhaps did wrong. Does yast have a problem with libraries that I compile without using it? -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)mperry.basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] News Server Authentication, error 502
by mperry＠mperry.basin.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 03:13:08AM -0500, zentara stated: > > Hi, > > Well I'm trying to get News going. > I'm used to Agent under windows, and I have > used it under Wabi with some minor drawbacks. > > I would like to get Knews or Xrn going, > they connect but return either > ---error 502, authentication failed > or > --- failed to get list > > I'm sure this is the authentication problem. > > Is there a way around this? > > I have seen mention of a perl module that will > log on to newsserver requiring authentication. > Anyone know anything about this? > Is a perl script available that I can use to log > on then , launch Knews? > > I don't want to go back to wabi and agent, it > requires that Xkeyboard is disabled, and it > makes the backspace key useless in X. You can use knews and include authentication in its config file. Check out the man page on knews. I reprint the pertinent parts right here- authInfoPass authInfoUser These are used to implement the NNTP AUTHINFO USER/PASS protocol if required by the server. These exist mostly for backward compatibility; authentication is usually only required when post ing, and then it is better to use inews for postin gAgent, since presumably inews knows all about the required authentication. Hope this helps. > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)mperry.basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] News Server Authentication, error 502
by zentara＠mindspring.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Hi, Well I'm trying to get News going. I'm used to Agent under windows, and I have used it under Wabi with some minor drawbacks. I would like to get Knews or Xrn going, they connect but return either ---error 502, authentication failed or --- failed to get list I'm sure this is the authentication problem. Is there a way around this? I have seen mention of a perl module that will log on to newsserver requiring authentication. Anyone know anything about this? Is a perl script available that I can use to log on then , launch Knews? I don't want to go back to wabi and agent, it requires that Xkeyboard is disabled, and it makes the backspace key useless in X. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Pap, PPP,and EZPPP...my luck
by zentara＠mindspring.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Hi, The docs for ppp-up don't give alot of attention to logins using pap. I've just set it up very easily with EZPPP. These are the basic steps: AS root you must 1. chmod 666 /etc/resolv.conf 2. chmod 666 /dev/modem 3. chown root.root /usr/sbin/pppd 4. chmod 555 /usr/sbinpppd 5. chmod +s /usr/sbin/pppd 6. you must empty /etc/ppp/options to a zero file, since it interferes with ezppp 7. put any users who can dialout in the dialout group 8. put the ezppp binary in each dialout users home directory and let them own it. 9. Set up the /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file: For example at Mindspring: ***************************************************** #pap-secrets # client server secret ip ms999999 mindspring yuk2yak ***************************************************** Then set up the pppd arguments in ezppp: Here is the script that works perfectly: -detach defaultroute lock modem noipdefault user ms999999 remotename mindspring This script probably could be adapted to work with ppp-up, but ezppp is so easy, I have no urge to try. It will probably work with kppp under KDE. I'm going to try it later. Well this works great for me. I don't know what the security implications are of the chmod's and chown's. Since the user is owner of the binary, I doubt if it can do much havoc. Please write if you see a flaw in this. I really barely know the basics of security. zentara -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: R: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ESS Audio 1878
by marca＠netscout.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Guys: I have an ESS-1888 card in my Gateway 2200 Laptop that runs just fine. I don't know if the stand alone cards are any different, but I downloaded the OSS/Free sound libraries from www.4front.com, recompiled the kernel (using irq 5 instead of 7, the rest defaults) and the sound works great! marc. "Moreno Daltin" <daltin(a)tin.it> on 12/31/97 10:16:57 AM Please respond to suse-linux-e(a)suse.com To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com cc: (bcc: Marc Abrams) Subject: R: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ESS Audio 1878 -----Messaggio originale----- Da: M.J.Medjeral <seamar(a)singnet.com.sg> A: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com <suse-linux-e(a)suse.com> Data: domenica 1 febbraio 1998 0.31 Oggetto: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ESS Audio 1878 > >In SuSE Linux 5.1 has anybody had luck configuring sound with >ESS Audio 1878? >Regards >Mario Jose Medjeral Would like to know too.... :-( -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 01:40:46PM -0500 In reply to:Luis A. Costabile Quoting Luis A. Costabile (luis(a)lac.resonet.com): > > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > > > compiled it , and installed via the mutt make file (/usr/local/bin). > > When I tried to run the new mutt I got an odd error, /usr/bin/mutt > > no such file or directory. Of course /usr/local/bin/mutt worked fine. > > On rebooting the system, the next day, mutt worked as expected. > > > > It seems like SuSE works differently then other distributions I am > > used to. As /usr/local/bin is in my path, I expected the program to > > Maybe the install script changed the PATH environment on you. Should not > need to reboot, maybe next time just try logging out and in to re-instate > your profile. > No, I checked $PATH and it had not changed. I have since found /sbin/SuSEconfig which I think may have solved the problem(?). I think the key here is the message I got then I entered mutt. ie /usr/bin/mutt no such file or directory. Something KNEW that mutt used to be there and that it wasn't any more. That is very different then I have seen before! I wonder why SuSE has changed the way normal Unix's work(???). > > -- > Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 > <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> > To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. > > You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. > Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes > -- > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by stugreen＠bga.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Luis, There is a package (/cdrom/suse/a1/eazy.rpm) that provides the appearance of an fssstd file system layout. Once installed, downloading, decompressing and installing packages in .tgz, .tar or .gz format is more easily accomplished. The package has been include for the purposes of compatibility, it needs to be manually selected at installation or installed manually following installation. Regards, Stu -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by luis＠lac.resonet.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Wayne Topa wrote: > compiled it , and installed via the mutt make file (/usr/local/bin). > When I tried to run the new mutt I got an odd error, /usr/bin/mutt > no such file or directory. Of course /usr/local/bin/mutt worked fine. > On rebooting the system, the next day, mutt worked as expected. > > It seems like SuSE works differently then other distributions I am > used to. As /usr/local/bin is in my path, I expected the program to Maybe the install script changed the PATH environment on you. Should not need to reboot, maybe next time just try logging out and in to re-instate your profile. -- Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. You must restart your computer before the new message will take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now? Yes or Yes -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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R: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ESS Audio 1878
by daltin＠tin.it 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

-----Messaggio originale----- Da: M.J.Medjeral <seamar(a)singnet.com.sg> A: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com <suse-linux-e(a)suse.com> Data: domenica 1 febbraio 1998 0.31 Oggetto: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ESS Audio 1878 > >In SuSE Linux 5.1 has anybody had luck configuring sound with >ESS Audio 1878? >Regards >Mario Jose Medjeral Would like to know too.... :-( -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Package upgrade question
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

SuSE 5.1 Question. As 5.1 includes mutt-0.85 and I had been using mutt-0.88 (on Slackware) I decided to upgrade mutt. I used yast to remove the mutt-0.85 package. I then downloaded the new version, (.tar.gz), compiled it , and installed via the mutt make file (/usr/local/bin). When I tried to run the new mutt I got an odd error, /usr/bin/mutt no such file or directory. Of course /usr/local/bin/mutt worked fine. On rebooting the system, the next day, mutt worked as expected. It seems like SuSE works differently then other distributions I am used to. As /usr/local/bin is in my path, I expected the program to run, WITHOUT a reboot. SuSE does something different. As I have not finished the 5.1 book it is possible that the answer lies there but as this is so much different than I am used to, I thought that it might be helpful, to the list, if this might be explained. Thanks Wayne -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] A few Simple questions for a Suse newbie
by brauki＠cww.de 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

zentara wrote: > > Juergen Braukmann wrote: > > > zentara wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm trying to move from Caldera to Suse. > > > All is going fairly well , except for a few things. > > > > > > 1. Where is my .bashrc file ? There isn't one in the root directory? > > > Why does Suse do it different? Do I just create my own? > > > > a .bashrc file should be in your home directory. if it is not there > > create it. > > > > Hi, thanks guys for the tips. I did get the widgets out by edit the.fvwm2rc > file. But I guess I should use KDE for "drag and drop". > Although the empty fvwm2 desktop sure is nice; I'll just have > to figure out how to add my programs to the menus. > just read the configuration file. after a while it gets clear how to do things. I added a few features myself, but as I pointed out earlier, as soon as I regenerate a .fvwm*rc all is gone and has to be replaced again by hand. > I still have one problem which perplexes me. I have the .bashrc files > in my root and user directories, but it dosn't affect the root bash. hmmm. I have seen that on our SINIX system at work. root is trated differently. maybe there is some file in /etc that contains info about this, what I did on SINIX was quite obvious: I added an other entry in /etc/profile that is (hopefully) run for every terminal login. disadvantage: this sets the editor for everyone. > Let me clarify. > Being a beginner, I prefer to use Joe as my editor, instead of the default > vi. I basically use Midnight Commander for everything. If I put the line > "export EDITOR= /usr/bin/joe" in the .bashrc file, Joe will open up > my files in MC when I hit the F4 button. > This works fine for my user's home directories. > However, when I put it in the root's .bashrc ; vi still comes up > when root hits MC's F4 button. > What am I missing? > I know it pays to know vi, but I prefer joe. it realy pays. i prefer asedit from X. my knowledge of vi -although I use it much- is almost zero. Jürgen -- ========================================== __ _ Jürgen Braukmann e-mail: brauki(a)cww.de | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb(a)db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ========================================== /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Package question (SuSE)
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Just found an interesting command, which is new to me, tcpdchk, it checks out the inetd file for errors. Mine ( from SuSE 5.1) seems to have a few errors that I wonder if SuSE might know about: > tcpdchk warning: /etc/inetd.conf, line 91: /usr/lib/xcept4/bin/ceptd: not found: No such file or directory warning: /etc/inetd.conf, line 99: in.midinetd: not found in /usr/sbin: No such file or directory As of now they are not affecting me (I don't think ?) but you never know. They are probably for some package I haven't loaded but thought Yast would handle that as part of the configuration administration(?). Also found that there are no man pages or Info files for inetd.conf(5) and tlid.conf(5). I found this out while reading up on tcpdck. SuSE guys, are these available on your site somewhere?? Thanks Wayne -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE History
by gcell＠erols.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Perhaps 'Sousa' as in the famous Austrian composer???? gerry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-suse-linux(a)suse.de [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux@suse.de]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux@suse.de]On</A> > Behalf Of David E. Edwards > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 1998 9:29 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE History > > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, you wrote: > >On Jan 30, 9:32pm, Jonathan Markevich wrote: > >> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE History > >> > >> > >> On 30-Jan-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > >> > >><SNIP>... > > >> A good question, more importantly, though, how do you pronounce > SuSE! I like > >> "Suzie", though someone else around here likes "Sooz". Ess-You-Ess-Eee has > >to > >> go. > > > >Say like so: Sue-sa with a short a at the end. Like Sue-suh maybe. > >Regards > >Frank > > > Personally, I've always used "Susie" - never could use "Sooz" - just didn't > match the distro'. I guess "Sue-Suh" is okay - certainly better than "Sooz". > > -- > Dave E. > -Linux 2.0.30 -SuSE 5.0-- Linux - the choice of a GNU Generation--- > No more Blue screen of Death - and no regrets - Goodbye Microsoft! > ----------------------Cyrix 586/100-32meg-2g----------------------- > SHAMELESS Plug:-- dedwards(a)technologist.com > 23yr of MF exp. avail. for home-based outsourcing contracts. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] A few Simple questions for a Suse newbie
by zentara＠mindspring.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Juergen Braukmann wrote: > zentara wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I'm trying to move from Caldera to Suse. > > All is going fairly well , except for a few things. > > > > 1. Where is my .bashrc file ? There isn't one in the root directory? > > Why does Suse do it different? Do I just create my own? > > a .bashrc file should be in your home directory. if it is not there > create it. > Hi, thanks guys for the tips. I did get the widgets out by edit the.fvwm2rc file. But I guess I should use KDE for "drag and drop". Although the empty fvwm2 desktop sure is nice; I'll just have to figure out how to add my programs to the menus. I still have one problem which perplexes me. I have the .bashrc files in my root and user directories, but it dosn't affect the root bash. Let me clarify. Being a beginner, I prefer to use Joe as my editor, instead of the default vi. I basically use Midnight Commander for everything. If I put the line "export EDITOR= /usr/bin/joe" in the .bashrc file, Joe will open up my files in MC when I hit the F4 button. This works fine for my user's home directories. However, when I put it in the root's .bashrc ; vi still comes up when root hits MC's F4 button. What am I missing? I know it pays to know vi, but I prefer joe. Where do I change root's default editor? zentara -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] A few Simple questions for a Suse newbie
by mclark＠datsrvr.datsit.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

if you edit your .xinitrc file in your home directory, there should be a line that reads: exec $WINDOWMANAGER if you rem that line (with a # sign) and add your own exec kde you will start kde as your window manager (assuming you have even installed it!!!) kde is a drag and drop window manager. you can put icons on your panel (task bar) and configure everything about the desktop from the system control center. you can also drag icons out of the kde filemanager/browser onto the desktop and copy/link/move the file. a link would be similar to a win95 shortcut. try kde and see what you think. michael zentara wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to move from Caldera to Suse. > All is going fairly well , except for a few things. > > 1. Where is my .bashrc file ? There isn't one in the root directory? > Why does Suse do it different? Do I just create my own? > > 2. How do I put icons on the desktop? With Caldera's Looking Glass > I could just drag and drop my programs as icons on the desktop. > I can't seem to find a way to do it in Suse. Do I need a special > file manager.? > > 3. How do I get those annoying widgets like the "moving eyes" > off my desktop. > > I know that it's probably is all in the manual, but I figure I could use a > few > hints after the torture of learning Yast. > I must admit SuSE works better, and is more powerful than Caldera; > BUT Caldera's Lisa is way easier to use than Yast. > I guess I'll appreciate it's power as I learn more later. > :-) > > Joe > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] A few Simple questions for a Suse newbie
by brauki＠cww.de 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

zentara wrote: > > Hi, > I'm trying to move from Caldera to Suse. > All is going fairly well , except for a few things. > > 1. Where is my .bashrc file ? There isn't one in the root directory? > Why does Suse do it different? Do I just create my own? a .bashrc file should be in your home directory. if it is not there create it. > > 2. How do I put icons on the desktop? With Caldera's Looking Glass > I could just drag and drop my programs as icons on the desktop. > I can't seem to find a way to do it in Suse. Do I need a special > file manager.? I do not exactly understand what you mean. maybe your question is somehow linked to the next one, at least to my answer. > > 3. How do I get those annoying widgets like the "moving eyes" > off my desktop. > look into you .fvwm2rc / .fvwm95rc file in your home directory. Search for the term "Swallow" and your editor will position near the relevant line. look for something like "xeyes" and comment / delete the line. Sadly, if you regenerate a .fvwm95rc or similar (from one of the menues) they will reappear, since they appear in the mail basic "one for all" winmanager config file. I made some useless attempts lately to add a feature in there, but i forgot the location of it. I remember a directory with a mass of files that are knitted together when the config is run. > I know that it's probably is all in the manual, but I figure I could use a i do not remember finding useful hints there. ;-( (german 5.0) > few > hints after the torture of learning Yast. > I must admit SuSE works better, and is more powerful than Caldera; > BUT Caldera's Lisa is way easier to use than Yast. is there realy something more easy rthan yast???? ;-) > I guess I'll appreciate it's power as I learn more later. > :-) sure. ;-) > > Joe > Jürgen -- ========================================== __ _ Jürgen Braukmann e-mail: brauki(a)cww.de | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb(a)db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ========================================== /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Is this a Bash 2 problem?
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Hello I wonder if there are any Bash 2.0 guru's on this list? I had a prompt line set up that worked in Bash 1 that doesn't now. Have tried to get working but to no avail. Here it is: V_TERM=`tty` export PS1="\[`setterm -foreground green`\]\[`setterm -bold on`\]VT${V_TERM##/dev/tty} \u-S1:\w\\$\[`setterm -default`\] " Not a big deal but I am curious. Any ideas?? Wayne -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. pronunciation
by mfw＠datamain.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

i had heard "sooo-zie" (as in English Susie) and Soo-zeh (as in German suse) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE History
by dedwards＠technologist.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, you wrote: >On Jan 30, 9:32pm, Jonathan Markevich wrote: >> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE History >> >> >> On 30-Jan-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: >> >><SNIP>... >> A good question, more importantly, though, how do you pronounce SuSE! I like >> "Suzie", though someone else around here likes "Sooz". Ess-You-Ess-Eee has >to >> go. > >Say like so: Sue-sa with a short a at the end. Like Sue-suh maybe. >Regards >Frank > Personally, I've always used "Susie" - never could use "Sooz" - just didn't match the distro'. I guess "Sue-Suh" is okay - certainly better than "Sooz". -- Dave E. -Linux 2.0.30 -SuSE 5.0-- Linux - the choice of a GNU Generation--- No more Blue screen of Death - and no regrets - Goodbye Microsoft! ----------------------Cyrix 586/100-32meg-2g----------------------- SHAMELESS Plug:-- dedwards(a)technologist.com 23yr of MF exp. avail. for home-based outsourcing contracts. ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone got mxapps to work?
by mperry＠mperry.basin.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Just messing around a bit with motif and am curious if anyone is using mxmail and/or mxftp. The makefile wants a MOTIFHOME variable and will not compile without some setting in there. Anybody got this to work that can lessen the mystery for me? -- --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)mperry.basin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] A few Simple questions for a Suse newbie
by zentara＠mindspring.com 01 Feb '98

01 Feb '98

Hi, I'm trying to move from Caldera to Suse. All is going fairly well , except for a few things. 1. Where is my .bashrc file ? There isn't one in the root directory? Why does Suse do it different? Do I just create my own? 2. How do I put icons on the desktop? With Caldera's Looking Glass I could just drag and drop my programs as icons on the desktop. I can't seem to find a way to do it in Suse. Do I need a special file manager.? 3. How do I get those annoying widgets like the "moving eyes" off my desktop. I know that it's probably is all in the manual, but I figure I could use a few hints after the torture of learning Yast. I must admit SuSE works better, and is more powerful than Caldera; BUT Caldera's Lisa is way easier to use than Yast. I guess I'll appreciate it's power as I learn more later. :-) Joe -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. and glibc2
by pbleser＠prov-liege.be 31 Jan '98

31 Jan '98

I posted a mail like this last week, but I had a problem with my mailbox, and maybe I missed an answer... What about S.u.S.E. and glibc2 ? I guess that S.u.S.E. 5.2 still relies on libc5, so what are the plans for the future ? I'm tired of "red hat this, red hat that..." ;-) Pascal l'irréductible Linuxien -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] XSuse_Elsa_Gloria and the Diamond Fire GL 1000 video card.
by bb＠suse.de 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

bojimbo(a)isat.com wrote: > > Hello: > > I am trying to get Free86 to work with my new Diamond Fire GL 1000 > card. I am running redhat 4.2 and could not get the monitor to sync with > the version of Free86 that came with the system. So I heard about SuSE > and downloaded The XSuSE_Elsa_Gloria server. I did exactly what the > Installation notes on the link > <A HREF="http://suse.de/Support/sdb_e/sndirsch_glint.html"><A HREF="http://suse.de/Support/sdb_e/sndirsch_glint.html</A">http://suse.de/Support/sdb_e/sndirsch_glint.html</A</A>> > said to do. However the monitor still does not sync. > > Does anyone have Linux running this server working? If so, can you help > me to properly configure it so that my monitor syncs?? > > I have a Hitachi SuperScan Supreme 803 Monitor with a Horizontal Sync > range of 31-115khz and a vertical sync of 50-160hz. The board is capable > of 31.5-111.1 khz horzontal and 60-120Hz vertical with a dot rate of > 230Mhz RAMDAC, > > If this server cannot be configured to work with a Fire GL 1000 Then > does anyone know of one that can??? > Have a look @ <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html</A">http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html</A</A>>, and mail to Stefan (sndirsh(a)suse.de), he developed the Server and should be able to help you. AFAIK not all the Gloria chipsets are supported.... :-( Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http//www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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