June 2022 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Zoom on Tumbleweed
by Peter Suetterlin 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

Hi list, is anyone else having issues with the latest zoom (5.10.0-2450) on Tumbleweed? It keeps crashing on me, directly at start, even the crash report form doesn't stay on screen, but vanishes before I can type in anything.

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Re: Konversation
by Per Jessen 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote: >> Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote: >>>> On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, when you start Konversation, >>>> >>>> what is this "Konversation" thing? >>> >>> An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box. >>> >>>> >>>> How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? >>>> That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) >>>> communication channel. >>> >>> You can't. >> >> If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just >> scrolled back to 17 May. > > I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night. This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list. How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

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Why all the fear?
by Lukáš Krejza 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

Hey Geekos, First of all, sorry for this cross-post, but it is relevant to all of the lists specified. I am just wondering if my experience is so much different, or if I use the distro differently than other users, that it seems so much stable for me. Often i see people recommending against "zypper dup", recommending "tumbleweed-cli" instead of "zypper dup", using "opi" for codecs install instead of 1-click install on opensuse-community, and so on, because the system "could" or "will for sure" break at some time. Why there is a need for all this fancy and new stuff and is it possible that these combinations and diversity increases possibility for issues? Given all of these, I should have had my home machines broken already a million times and burned to death. - I am using Tumbleweed - I have all these repositories enabled: [1] (yes, no priorities currently) - I have "zypper dup", "zypper inr", "zypper ve" in my daily cron job - I have enabled vendor changes in zypper conf - I have disabled multiversion.kernel in zypper conf (keeps kernel packages with their dependencies and/or DKMS clean and working) - I have disabled snapper as a whole - I have installed some VMWare software from their crappy .run packages, which means some parts are compiled from source During my over-15 years-long experience with *SUSE, i never experienced an unbootable system or a serious issue, except: - Nvidia driver issues before they were packaged for *SUSE and you had to use the .run installation ( ancient SaX2 times, before Xorg autoconfiguration ). On my gaming system i have just enabled nvidia repos and forgot about it. - Akonadi issues because of my experiments with bleeding edge mariadb in combination with my mailbox containing few million e-mails, also many years back - Btrfs issues (total system crash) when it was unstable and i had enabled snapper an ran out of space - which was resolved by reinstall and re-mounting my /home/ (i am not using snapper since then) So my question is - have the RPM dependencies gone weaker than they were "before" or something? Could that combination of all the emergency safe features, like btrfs snapshots in combination with multiversion kernel and/or packages, tumbleweed-cli, opi, etc...? Why are RPM deps not enough to keep the system solid anymore? My experience with *SUSE has always been rock-solid-stable and one of the very few things i do manually from time to time is firing up yast2 sw_single, removing unmaintained packages and checking change-logs of some packages i am interested/care of. Take this as a congrats and thanks for all the maintainers, developers and everyone taking care. And most importantly, the OBS, which does pretty neat job with automatic package dependencies and all that stuff. One more time - thank you OBS and all the people developing and working on it! :) And while i am doing this braindump, please revive SUSE Studio :P :) And last, but not least - thanks Packman people :) [1]: https://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/38599835 Regards, Gryffus

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Alternatives to kwin?
by Peter Suetterlin 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

Hi list, are there any real alternatives to kwin when using plasma/KDE? That piece of ***** really drives me away from plasma more and more. It has always been a PITA that, e.g. when running some SDL1 game in ful screen, it went shuffling ALL windows in ALL desktops wildly around and not restoring positions when resolution is changed back. Now it also starts RESIZING them. Got an idea what that means on a work machine with a 5k screen and 6 virtual desktops? Has anyone used openbox with KDE? Is it usable?

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