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[opensuse-translation-es] Re: [opensuse-translation] translate openSUSE+upstream at once: merged pot file, gnome-packagekit (fwd)
by Carlos E. R. 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Uau. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:43:35 -0500 From: Alberto Passalacqua Cc: opensuse-translation(a)opensuse.org, Subject: Re: [opensuse-translation] translate openSUSE+upstream at once: merged pot file, gnome-packagekit Hello, at four days before deadline it's still not really clear how we should proceed. At the moment we have three .po/.pot (openSUSE SVN, partly translated upstream, Stanislav's .pot), and we don't know where to commit it. Plus it seems we are expected to correct also the origial text. Fedora did something simpler: they extracted the UI strings and translated those. They are only 67 ( http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/packagekit ), and for the available languages, I think those strings should be reused. There's no need to translate the whole .po and there's no need to standardise string tagging, because our teams accepted to translate openSUSE, its additions and not applications. Moreover I still don't understand why it was decided to include that GUI for the updater if it was not properly translated before the decision. It's simply the wrong approach, and it shows once again that the importance given to localization is too low at opensuse. On my side, I decided not to proceed with its translation and to give priority to the rest of the distribution, to which this file does not belong to. Bye, A. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIE6xRtTMYHG2NR9URAnbhAJ4zveiGgGQQj/or21pPJYUJ2flm8QCdHZbk jI13cERmQuMsJi0irIImdi8= =jqae -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-es] Fwd: [opensuse-translation] gnome-packagekit
by Gabriel 26 Apr '08

26 Apr '08

Para quienes no leen la lista general, les paso lo que se esta comentando sobre gnome-packagekit. En mi opinión, estoy totalmente de acuerdo con Stanislav, no tiene sentido duplicar esfuerzos. Si alguien esta interesado en ayudar traduciendo este archivo, lo mejor sería hacerlo en GNOME y no mantener una versión propia. Un saludo. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)suse.cz> Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse-translation] gnome-packagekit (Re: opensuseupdater-gnome: openSUSE 11.0 - POT file update wanted) To: Gabriel <gabriel(a)opensuse.org> Cc: OS-trans <opensuse-translation(a)opensuse.org>, Mauro Parra-Miranda <mauro(a)novell.com>, Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com>, Michael Wolf <maw(a)novell.com>, Karl Eichwalder <ke(a)suse.de> You don't need my magic, if you want to start with translation of actual version. My magic is useful for merging upstream translation from the latest version to the old version we have in released products. My tool does not yet support pushing strings back to upstream, however it's planned feature. Even if will, translation in two places creates a lot of additional work-flow problems: - Needs remerge - Does not provent duplicated work - Need handling of each conflict in translation that can happen, if two translators did the work in parallel. Person performing the merge cannot give answer, not knowing all languages. * Is it only simple difference and both translations are correct? * Is it a typo fix on Novell side? * Is it a typo fix on upstream side? * Is it a typo introduced by Novell? * Is it a typo introduced by upstream? * Is it a conflict in translator's opinion? There is no algorithm to decide, which of the conflicting translations is correct. Not providing translation back is a bad approach of Ubuntu, which duplicates the translation effort. I am not a person organizing translations. I am only a package maintainer, who did some voluntary translation in past. But from my aspect of view, it would be simplest to translate directly in upstream. Upstream strictly requires conforming to national translation conventions and a responsive contact person. If translators don't want to (can't) use SVN directly (and ask for commit permission to GNOME SVN), then they may use SVN submit contact person in Novell, who knows SVN and who will submit translations back. Keeping contact person e-mail is mandatory. I can imagine even a very simple automatic tool, which will extract translation from the Novell database, verify the translation by gettext tools and merge it back to upstream as soon as possible, and another tool, which will extract upstream translation and put to Novell database. Simple authorized web page for translators: Fetch upstream translation Check and commit to upstream Merging bad translations back to upstream without providing any contact person for the fix is even worse than forking them: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2007-September/msg00254.html Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec(a)suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- Kind Regards

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[opensuse-translation-es] pantallas
by Miguel Angel Alvarez 26 Apr '08

26 Apr '08

Dual head Encabezado dual (sax.po) o pantalla dual (x11.po) Que opinais -- Don't see the world through a window, be open{source}minded, and be free :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-es] pendientes completos
by Gabriel 26 Apr '08

26 Apr '08

Que hacemos con los archivos que estan 'Pendientes' pero no tienen mensajes cambiados (que vienen seguramente traducidos de nuestro trabajo en la 10.3), les damos una revisión (luego del 28) o los marcamos como hechos? -- Kind Regards

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[opensuse-translation-es] archivo registration
by Lluis Martinez 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

No puedo abrir con kbabel el registration. Lo ha probado alguien mas.... Es que por un mensaje que queda.... Un saludo Lluis

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[opensuse-translation-es] gnome-packagekit
by Camaleón 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

Hola, Como he visto que Gabriel lo ha preguntado en la lista general de traducción, he investigado un poco. Los de Gnome tienen un gnome-packagekit (traducción del UI)* bastante adelantado, lo que no sé es si se puede utilizar para mergearlo o adaptarlo de alguna manera con el suse... ¿Traducimos el paquete, lo dejamos...? Por cierto, estamos lo terceros** en el ranking O:-) * http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-packagekit ** http://i18n.opensuse.org/stats/trunk/toplist.php Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-es] acción del script al actualizar las stats
by Gabriel 23 Apr '08

23 Apr '08

Pregunta simple :-), actualmente el script que actualiza las estadísticas, al detectar cambios, aparte de informar al usuario, cambia el estado del mensaje a "Pendiente de revisión", mi pregunta es, sería mejor cambiar el estado asignando el archivo a quien lo haya traducido (o revisado si no existe el primero)? -- Kind Regards

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[opensuse-translation-es] Traduccion de la wiki
by Gabriel 23 Apr '08

23 Apr '08

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[opensuse-translation-es] Error en zypper.es.po [lcn]
by Lluis Martinez 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

Voy a mandar zypper.es.po [lcn] para subir. Tiene un error que no se solucionar en la traducción 210. Que alguien que sepa mas de esto que yo se lo mire porfa. Un saludo Lluis

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[opensuse-translation-es] Sobre "Registro de nuevo usuario"
by Carlos E. R. 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alguien ha tenido la "gentileza" de darme atributos de coordinador en el Verbum (Grr!), así que ahora me llegan también los correos de las peticiones de nuevos usuarios. Como un tal "SkavenXXI", correo "alvaroncho" de Gmail que no se quien es, no ha escrito nunca ni en la lista española ni en esta. Si alguien lo conoce o él lee esto, que lo/se presente, porfa. Gabriel, te devuelvo el marrón: ponle al Verbum algo para que los nuevos usuarios nos presenten un "Curriculum Vitae de Meritos" por triplicado, con certificado de poliza electrónica emitida por Colegio de Huerfanos de Traductores Anónimos, y con un mímino rellenado de 1024 caracteres >;-p No, lo digo porque tengo la sospecha de que pinchan gente por casualidad, para probar que es esto, y así no puede ser. A lo mejor se creen que es un foro o que se yo. - -- Saludos Carlos E.R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIC+CKtTMYHG2NR9URAjtZAJ9zu7UszQgEXfSf8pbJ+hP085ZCRACeLMss zF7C1KS9ftG4UOAbTPsR2nI= =S5xW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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