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[opensuse-marketing] Event report: LFNW April 27, 28
by James Mason 31 Jul '13

31 Jul '13

LinuxFest Northwest took place the last weekend in April, as usual, and was an *amazing* event for openSUSE! Prior to the event, I organized a social media schedule, posting to Twitter, Facebook, and Google Plus every day of the week prior, with photos and info about our presence. As an event sponsor[1], we received a 100sq.ft. booth space[2] in a preferred area of the conference hall. This space was put to excellent use, creating an open and inviting area[3], instead of the 'stand in front of my desk' approach offered by most exhibitors: * In the rear, a 21" HP Touchsmart PC was setup with openSUSE 12.3 and KDE, GNOME, LXDE, XFCE, and E17, providing a nice way to demonstrate our desktop experience * Next to the PC we had some space for doing Chameleon[4] and Penguin[5] origami projects. (Origami is a great metaphor for open source... you can expound on that yourself ;) * SWAG was set off to the side, behind a 6ft tall whiteboard (loaned to us by Attachmate Bellingham), to reduce the number of people simply walking by and grabbing stuff, although we kindly offered a kit (brochure, DVD, round sticker, system sticker) to anyone who asked. * The largest volume of the booth was taken up by a pair of lime green (SUSE green?) lawn chairs, and Geeko-themed table. The goal was to get people to 'come in' to openSUSE, and have a deeper interaction with a smaller, interested group, rather than to just hand out stuff to a crowd. We regularly updated the whiteboard with presentation times & locations by openSUSE Advocates, our 'Articles of Faith', and some questions/statements to spur conversation ("Ask me about SUSE Studio!"; "Is your app built with OBS?"). And of course, there was the bubble wrap. Loud green bubble wrap. Why? Just to make some noise, and have some fun. That's the point, right? Speaking of SWAG, we handed out 206 kits, which was fewer than I had anticipated (I ordered 300), but I expect to consume the rest distribution to the local LUG[6] and northwest US TAG offices. This was the first year that a substantial number of people were getting openSUSE via other means: "I already downloaded it"; "Can you put an image on my thumb drive"; "Can you copy the Raspberry Pi image to my SD card"; etc. The biggest change this year, over previous LFNW events, was that all the booth staff were local. In prior years, I've worked with Ted Haeger, Joe Brockmeyer, Alan Clark, Jos, and Bryan Yunashko here at LFNW; this year I put out a 'call for help' through local channels, and had three users (I'm going to call them Advocates from now on) step up to help: Bryan Lunduke - a local developer and media genius/whore, Adrian Klaver - a local Qt developer and avid fan of our KDE desktop, and Carl Symons (who in the end was unable to attend due to family emergencies) - a KDE contributor. We also informally picked up two more helpers: Chani Armitage spent a bit of time hanging around since there wasn't a dedicated KDE booth this year; and Caleb Gebhart, a local student who (hopefully) has signed up for openSUSE+GSoC this year. All in all, it was *awesome* having local help, and I expect to have more people representing different facets of the openSUSE community next year (although I wouldn't mind at all if someone flew in to have some fun)! Jupiter Broadcasting, a WA-based podcasting network was broadcasting live from the event, and recording interviews for use on the Linux Action Show[7][8]. My interview[9] got a fair amount of positive feedback, demonstrating, again, how we're trying to build an inclusive openSUSE community, that is related to, but not subjugated by the SUSE Enterprise. I suppose I should mention the final attendance numbers[10]: "We had 1250 registered attendees and it is estimated that we had a total of about 1400 to 1500 people at the Fest." I need to thank a few people who helped out behind the scenes... although openSUSE would've had a presence at LFNW without them, it wouldn't have been nearly as fun: * Agustin Bethencourt, openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE, for approving SUSE's sponsorship. * Alan Clark, Director of Open Source(and more) at SUSE, for being his usual amazingly helpful self, and getting me a banner and brochures at the last minute. * Darren Clark, Director of Development at Attachmate, for making office resources available for use at the event. Thanks guys! In summary, LFNW was a fun, positive event, with a tremendous amount of support for openSUSE. I'm looking forward to making our presence even better next year! [1] http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/sponsor/opensuse [2] http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/sponsors/map [3] http://goo.gl/HXL2u [4] https://en.opensuse.org/File:Origami_instructions_chameleon.png [5] https://en.opensuse.org/File:Origami_instructions_penguin.png [6] http://blug.org/ [7] http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/36476/linuxfest-nw-pt-1-las-s26e08/ [8] http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/36666/linuxfest-nw-2013-pt-2-las-s26e09/ [9] http://youtu.be/8u3yUF9p9WQ?t=40m35s [10] https://plus.google.com/111293764782511971489/posts/3RYn9qByAvU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Regarding news.o.o and social media (no twitter link, no google plus title)
by Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) 03 Jul '13

03 Jul '13

Hello mates, I want to mention something that I think I'm doing wrong (if not, then please someone take a look). Everytime I hit the twitter button, I get: openSUSE News: TITLE of the artivle via @openSUSE There's the link missing. Also when I hit the google plus button, I get a link with the sentence "openSUSE News Blog". There's no title of the article. Everytime I post the article, I manually get the link and the copy>paste the title of the article. What do I do wrong? Thanks, Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://eiosifidis.blogspot.gr http://blogs.gnome.org/eiosifidis Great leaders don't tell you what to do... They show you how it's done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] ¡Reserve hoy! Curso Internacional de Marketing 2.0: Social Media Plan en la estrategia digital de la Empresa
by Social Media Plan 30 May '13

30 May '13

Estimado/a Directivo/a, Es un placer para mi invitarle a inscribirse al Curso Online que inicia el próximo 3 de Junio: Estimado/a directivo/a de Capacitación / Marketing / Área de Ventas: Le invitamos a inscribirse en el Curso Internacional de Marketing 2.0: Social Media Plan en la estrategía digital de la Empresa, Modalidad a Distancia (e-learning) La metodología a distancia (e-learning) permite poner en práctica todos los conocimientos mientras va avanzando el curso, en el propio puesto de trabajo del alumno/a. El curso cuenta con el asesoramiento y atención personalizada de un tutor/tutora experto en la materia y un coordinador pedagógico que le facilitará el plan de trabajo para que pueda organizar de forma efectiva las actividades prácticas, casos de éxito, etc. En el campus e-learning se dispone de foros dinámicos con el asesoramiento constante del experto y atención personalizada del coordinador pedagógico a cada alumno/a. Al finalizar el curso si se supera el 80% de las evaluaciones, el alumno/alumna tendrá un Diploma de Global Human Capital Group. Fecha: Inicio el 3 JUNIO 2013 y fecha fin 5 JULIO 2013 Lugar: A distancia. 100% Elearning. Ponente/tutor: D. Sergio Montes Mas Licenciado en Publicidad y RRPP por la Universidad Complutense de Madrid. Director Asociado de iCrossing España. Consultor senior Global Human Capital Group Dirigido a: Departamento Comercial. Departamento de Marketing Departamento de Ventas. Y, en general, a cualquier profesional cuya actividad esté relacionada, parcial o totalmente, en procesos de marketing en las organizaciones. Los objetivos de este curso son: Obtener una visión del nuevo marketing 2.0 Conocer las posibilidades del marketing social Conocer qué podemos aprovechar de las nuevas tendencias de marketing Aprender a integrar la estrategia de marketing 2.0 en la estrategia general de la empresa. Seleccionar las herramientas más apropiadas 2.0 en función de target y objetivos. Aprender a combinar diferentes acciones 2.0 y de marketing digital. Orientar nuestras acciones hacia la optimización del presupuesto. IMPORTE: 780 USD DESCUENTOS Y PROMOCIONES: Inscripciones corporativas: 25% descuento (585 USD*) (*)Dto. aplicable para 2 o más inscripciones en el mismo curso y convocatoria. Estamos a su entera disposición para cualquier duda o aclaración que precisen: info(a)globalhumancapitalgroup.com Reciba un cordial saludo, Elena Jiménez

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[opensuse-marketing] Fwd: Openstack Quickstart, Apache and invalid nova credentials during setup
by Tony Su 25 May '13

25 May '13

A bit OT - My phone (Android 2.3.4) only supports sending Gmail (my mail provider) in HTML despite setting default to Plain Text on the Server. Since this List is one of only a few I subscribe which enforce Plain Text Only, that means, I have to wait until I can send a message here. Wondering if anyone else is dealing with this and how. But, on to the two actual issues I wanted to ask about... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Doubt related to my current efforts to run OpenStack Quickstart in LXC, I've noticed now consistently that Apache is not a dependency, I've destroyed/re-built several VMs when I forgot/overlooked this likely required dependency. Also, following error when running openstack-quickstart-demosetup for icmp(below) and tcp and udp. + nova secgroup-add-rule default icmp -1 -1 0.0.0.0/0 ERROR: Invalid OpenStack Nova credentials Thoughts to test or fix? Nothing has been accessed in this LXC container yet. Thx, Tony -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] ¡Últimos días para bonificarse 300€! ¿Quiere saber interpretar una firma de un candidato en la selección de talento? / Inicio 3 Junio
by Curso online Grafologia de la firma 24 May '13

24 May '13

Estimado/a Directivo/a, Es un placer para mi invitarle a inscribirse al Curso Online que inicia el próximo 3 de Junio y finaliza el 5 de Julio (Bonificable 300€): ¿Quiere saber interpretar una firma de un candidato en la selección de talento? ¿Conoce el significado psicológico de los signos gráficos de la firma/rúbrica? ¡Incluye casos prácticos! Fecha: Inicio el 3 de Junio de 2013 y finaliza el 5 Julio 2013. Lugar: A distancia. 100% Elearning. Ponente/Tutor: Sra. Mª Teresa Graells Nonell Diplomada en Grafo-Psicología y Grafología-Selección de Personal (Facultad de Medicina Legal - Universidad complutense de Madrid) Autora del libro de Grafología de la firma: "Leer la firma", "Llegir la signatura" de Editorial Viena. Dirigido a: Directores de la Gestión de personas. Consultores y Técnicos de selección del Departamento de Recursos Humanos. Responsables de Formación Técnicos de Orientación Profesional. Y, en general, a cualquier profesional cuya actividad esté relacionada, parcial o totalmente, en procesos de selección de personal en las organizaciones. Los objetivos de este curso son: Aprender a detectar los signos gráficos más destacados de la firma y la rúbrica. Descubrir el significado psicológico de los signos gráficos de la firma/rúbrica Conocer el talento intelectual, potencial y profesional y la personalidad a través de un análisis exhaustivo de la firma y la rúbrica. Descubrir el potencial de los candidatos/as a un puesto de trabajo. Preparar nuestras entrevistas personales en la selección de personal. Complementar los procesos de selección con un informe grafológico de la firma y la rúbrica. Autoevaluarnos y evaluar a los colaboradores de la empresa para detectar los puntos fuertes y los aspectos a mejorar para llegar a una óptima relación interpersonal, implicación, colaboración y compromiso para llegar a los objetivos de la empresa. Precio: 495 EUR + 21% IVA Descuento inscripciones corporativas: 25 % DESCUENTO INSCRIPCIONES CORPORATIVAS (2 ó MÁS INSCRIPCIONES EN EL MISMO CURSO Y CONVOCATORIA): 371,25 EUR + 21% IVA ¡ULTIMAS PLAZAS! Bonificación Fundación Tripartita: Este curso cumple los requisitos para bonificarse un mínimo de 300€ por alumno/a. Si lo desea, le tramitamos su bonificación de la Fundación Tripartita sin ningún coste para Ud. Le adjunto el enlace directo de esta curso en nuestra tienda online (allí podrá ver el programa completo detallado e inscribirse): http://www.globalhumancapitalgroup.es/tienda/index.php?id_product=2&control… Estamos a su entera disposición: info(a)globalhumancapitalgroup.com Reciba un cordial saludo, Elena Jiménez

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[opensuse-marketing] ¿Quiere saber interpretar una firma de un candidato en la selección de talento? / Inicio 3 Junio / Bonificable 300€
by Grafologia de la firma 22 May '13

22 May '13

Estimado/a Directivo/a, Es un placer para mi invitarle a inscribirse al Curso Online que inicia el próximo 3 de Junio y finaliza el 5 de Julio (Bonificable 300€): ¿Quiere saber interpretar una firma de un candidato en la selección de talento? ¿Conoce el significado psicológico de los signos gráficos de la firma/rúbrica? ¡Incluye casos prácticos! Fecha: Inicio el 3 de Junio de 2013 y finaliza el 5 Julio 2013. Lugar: A distancia. 100% Elearning. Ponente/Tutor: Sra. Mª Teresa Graells Nonell Diplomada en Grafo-Psicología y Grafología-Selección de Personal (Facultad de Medicina Legal - Universidad complutense de Madrid) Autora del libro de Grafología de la firma: "Leer la firma", "Llegir la signatura" de Editorial Viena. Dirigido a: Directores de la Gestión de personas. Consultores y Técnicos de selección del Departamento de Recursos Humanos. Responsables de Formación Técnicos de Orientación Profesional. Y, en general, a cualquier profesional cuya actividad esté relacionada, parcial o totalmente, en procesos de selección de personal en las organizaciones. Los objetivos de este curso son: Aprender a detectar los signos gráficos más destacados de la firma y la rúbrica. Descubrir el significado psicológico de los signos gráficos de la firma/rúbrica Conocer el talento intelectual, potencial y profesional y la personalidad a través de un análisis exhaustivo de la firma y la rúbrica. Descubrir el potencial de los candidatos/as a un puesto de trabajo. Preparar nuestras entrevistas personales en la selección de personal. Complementar los procesos de selección con un informe grafológico de la firma y la rúbrica. Autoevaluarnos y evaluar a los colaboradores de la empresa para detectar los puntos fuertes y los aspectos a mejorar para llegar a una óptima relación interpersonal, implicación, colaboración y compromiso para llegar a los objetivos de la empresa. Precio: 495 EUR + 21% IVA Descuento inscripciones corporativas: 25 % DESCUENTO INSCRIPCIONES CORPORATIVAS (2 ó MÁS INSCRIPCIONES EN EL MISMO CURSO Y CONVOCATORIA): 371,25 EUR + 21% IVA ¡ULTIMAS PLAZAS! Bonificación Fundación Tripartita: Este curso cumple los requisitos para bonificarse un mínimo de 300€ por alumno/a. Si lo desea, le tramitamos su bonificación de la Fundación Tripartita sin ningún coste para Ud. Le adjunto el enlace directo de esta curso en nuestra tienda online (allí podrá ver el programa completo detallado e inscribirse): http://www.globalhumancapitalgroup.es/tienda/index.php?id_product=2&control… Estamos a su entera disposición: info(a)globalhumancapitalgroup.com Reciba un cordial saludo, Elena Jiménez

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[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Announcing changes to the Ambassador Programme
by Koushik Kumar Nundy 22 May '13

22 May '13

On 21 May 2013 15:54, Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > If you are seriously thinking of a rename: > What about openSUSE Jedi? The problem with a pop-culture reference, is that it creates an inside joke, which kind of makes new entrants feel excluded. > Ok I am a Star Wars Fan but afterall, we are geeks... That might not be a very reasonable assumption in the long run. > > > 2013/5/21 Per Jessen <per(a)computer.org>: > > Greg Freemyer wrote: > > > >> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Carlos Ribeiro > >> <carlosribeiro(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> "Why do I need to talk with openSUSE Advocate, I did nothing wrong, > >>> against the law I don't need a Advocate" > >> > >> That may be a valid concern. I work with lawyers all the time, so I'm > >> used to the word "advocate" being used routinely. > >> The use of "Advocate" might be controversial, as Carlos states, due to the associated legal implication. While Richard, as a native English speaker, has a very good point, as in we are intending to tell people that we advocate the use of openSUSE (distro ++) , and participation in openSUSE (project). The discomfort with evangelist is very understandable, because of the bad taste it leaves in the mouth for people who have encountered users of this label first-hand. > > I have no issue with "Advocate" (although it also means "lawyer" in my > > native language). To me, "Advocate" and "Ambassador" both have some > > connotations of being officially assigned. My favourite is "Geeko" as > > also proposed by Carlos. > > "Geeko", with it's association to openSUSE & Gecko, sonds like a reasonable choice. However, it says nothing about what the role entails. This might or might not be an issue. I personally wouldn't mind being associated with that label, but at the end of the day, it kind of means nothing. Advocate and Ambassador kind of mean the same thing in English for this use case, but Ambassador sounds kind of more approachable imho. While I understand most of the changes in the program, such as a new distribution system for DVDs/goodies, I fail to see why a name change would be necessary, especially when the new name has an identical meaning for all practical purposes. Also, I am curious why removing the vetting system was proposed/implemented. It was a very basic screening, and as there are actual costs involved in sending stuff to "Advocates", money that is obviously finite, this would mean we potentially have a system that cannot support itself. I understand that not all the Advocates will be sent event/DVD kits indiscriminately, but do we actually need unvetted labels for every person who tells others, "Use openSUSE"? The promoDVD request page doesn't have a requirement that anyone have an "official tag/post" anyway. IIRC, this wild west approach was tried in the early days of the Ambassador program, which resulted in an insanely long list of names on the wiki, with people that were never seen, or heard from. Isn't it exactly what we are trying to do all over again? TL;DR : Why change the name at all? Why remove vetting of list? If name is to be changed, "Geeko" sounds awesome, albeit irrelevant, and would get my vote. ~ kknundy P.S. Re-added marketing list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Announcing changes to the Ambassador Programme
by Richard Brown 21 May '13

21 May '13

On 20 May 2013 21:09, Jim Henderson <hendersj(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hence my suggestion at an alternate word in Portuguese that seems to mean > what Richard means with the word "Advocate". > > Or, OK, we pick a different word because "Advocate" is too close to > "Advocator" in Portuguese. So the next word we pick is a word that means > "total bastard" in some other language, and we have the debate again. > > Does it /really/ make sense to look for something because "Advocate" is > too close to the Portuguese for "Lawyer", when it's easily worked around > by referring to the program as the "openSUSE Defensor" program in > Portuguese? Or when the page for the Advocate program explains that > we're not talking about *lawyers* here, but talking about *advocates*? I would like to suggest we go with Jim's suggestion. The name openSUSE Advocate was chosen after a long debate with a fair number of people, and ultimately was decided collectively by the Board at our recent Face to Face meeting. Many of the other names suggested in this thread were considered - openSUSE Evangelist was my original favorite until the obvious religious connotations eliminated it. I understand that whatever word we may have chosen wouldn't work in every language, and I think it's perfectly reasonably for our local communities to translate the title suitably for their language. We already have many of our Greek openSUSE Advocates calling themselves Greekos for example For anyone wondering why we're changing the name at all, I really wanted to eliminate many of the connotations that the title 'Ambassador' brings. Ambassadors are typically an official assigned role, someone chosen to speak for whoever they're representing. This isn't really the intent of our openSUSE Advocacy program, which is meant to encourage people to step up, volunteer and advocate/encourage/promote the use of openSUSE, and in return get whatever tools and support the openSUSE project can provide them to help them spread the word about our Project. I felt it was important that the new title do a much better job of accurately reflecting the job our Advocates do and the fact they step up to do it, not assigned into the role. And despite the feedback to the contrary, I still feel it is the best title for the programme, and would rather we find a more elegant solution for any languages where it doesn't translate as well. Hope this clears this up a little for everyone - Richard Brown openSUSE Board Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Le invitamos a inscribirse en el Curso Internacional de Marketing 2.0: Social Media Plan en la estrategia digital de la Empresa
by GHCG Latam 21 May '13

21 May '13

Estimado/a Directivo/a, Es un placer para mi invitarle a inscribirse al Curso Online que inicia el próximo 3 de Junio: Estimado/a directivo/a de Capacitación / Marketing / Área de Ventas: Le invitamos a inscribirse en el Curso Internacional de Marketing 2.0: Social Media Plan en la estrategía digital de la Empresa, Modalidad a Distancia (e-learning) La metodología a distancia (e-learning) permite poner en práctica todos los conocimientos mientras va avanzando el curso, en el propio puesto de trabajo del alumno/a. El curso cuenta con el asesoramiento y atención personalizada de un tutor/tutora experto en la materia y un coordinador pedagógico que le facilitará el plan de trabajo para que pueda organizar de forma efectiva las actividades prácticas, casos de éxito, etc. En el campus e-learning se dispone de foros dinámicos con el asesoramiento constante del experto y atención personalizada del coordinador pedagógico a cada alumno/a. Al finalizar el curso si se supera el 80% de las evaluaciones, el alumno/alumna tendrá un Diploma de Global Human Capital Group. Fecha: Inicio el 3 JUNIO 2013 y fecha fin 5 JULIO 2013 Lugar: A distancia. 100% Elearning. Ponente/tutor: D. Sergio Montes Mas Licenciado en Publicidad y RRPP por la Universidad Complutense de Madrid. Director Asociado de iCrossing España. Consultor senior Global Human Capital Group Dirigido a: Departamento Comercial. Departamento de Marketing Departamento de Ventas. Y, en general, a cualquier profesional cuya actividad esté relacionada, parcial o totalmente, en procesos de marketing en las organizaciones. Los objetivos de este curso son: Obtener una visión del nuevo marketing 2.0 Conocer las posibilidades del marketing social Conocer qué podemos aprovechar de las nuevas tendencias de marketing Aprender a integrar la estrategia de marketing 2.0 en la estrategia general de la empresa. Seleccionar las herramientas más apropiadas 2.0 en función de target y objetivos. Aprender a combinar diferentes acciones 2.0 y de marketing digital. Orientar nuestras acciones hacia la optimización del presupuesto. IMPORTE: 780 USD DESCUENTOS Y PROMOCIONES: Inscripciones corporativas: 25% descuento (585 USD*) (*)Dto. aplicable para 2 o más inscripciones en el mismo curso y convocatoria. Estamos a su entera disposición para cualquier duda o aclaración que precisen: info(a)globalhumancapitalgroup.com Reciba un cordial saludo, Elena Jiménez

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[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Announcing changes to the Ambassador Programme
by Carlos Ribeiro 20 May '13

20 May '13

Jim, I really understand and respect your points, but I still believing that we MUST avoid false cognates. this is not related with "playing words" like "No va" car name in portugues that as you said means "dont go" well not really becuase "don't go in portuguese in "Nao Va" and not "No va", but still been funny "playing words". False cognate is different it's a natural language rule that ppl usualy avoid to use to mitigate risks of confusion. 2013/5/20 Jim Henderson <hendersj(a)gmail.com>: > On Mon, 20 May 2013 16:18:40 -0300, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > >> "Why do I need to talk with openSUSE Advocate, I did nothing wrong, >> against the law I don't need a Advocate" > > Try "Defensor" instead of "Advogado". From what Google Translate tells > me, "Defensor" is an accurate representation of the meaning in English > that does not have to do with legal matters. Synonyms that are relevant > would be "defender, champion, protector". > > One could very easily argue that any word that's picked in any language > might have not the exact precise meaning in mind - but IMHO has long as > it isn't a "Nova" mistake[1], it's not really worth the energy to search > further. > > Jim > > [1] "Nova" was a brand of car, the name in Spanish (if read as "no va") > translates literally to "it doesn't go". Not a great name for a car. > -- > Jim Henderson > Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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