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[opensuse-marketing] Lilypond won't work with guile 2.0, What can I do to prevent it being dropped? Do we really want guile 2.0 yet?
by Dave Plater 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

OpenSUSE has jumped way ahead of all the other major distributions by pushing guile-2.0 to factory, this may cause problems for packages such as gnucash if it uses guile to the extent that lilypond does. Lilypond uses guile extensively and are working on porting lily to guile 2.0 but this is their timeline quoted from one of my emails from Graham Percival to the devel list please note that lilypond 2.16.0 may not be released before openSUSE 12.1 and I'm working on 2.14.2 atm the current release : There is absolutely zero chance of lilypond 2.16 using guile 2.0. There is maybe a 10% chance that any version of lilypond will support guile 2.0 in 2011. Total guesswork for future predictions: 50% chance of supporting guile 2.0 before July 2012, 80% chance of support guile 2.0 before the end of 2012. What that means for opensuse is up to you. If you particularly want guile 2.0, then by all means jump in; the more people working on it, the higher the chances are that it'll get done sooner. But based on the amount of work that currently goes into guile 2.0, those are my estimates. Cheers, - Graham and I think this is also relevant, another lily developers reply from the same message: Given that the upcoming ubuntu oneiric apparently does not include guile 2.0, I also don't see a switch to guile 2.0 in the near future. I suppose that we should ask the ubuntu people when they'll finally package guile 2.0. Cheers, Reinhold I've looked at parallel installation of guile 1.8.8 (we jumped from 1.8.7 to 2.0.1) and it doesn't look easy otherwise I would have submitted guile1 but I'm still working on it although I'm not that familiar with the autoconf/automake build system at this level. What this means for openSUSE, lilypond is a very popular musical notation type setting program, the developers pride themselves in the accuracy of the notation positions, it is also used, for musical notation by rosegarden, a popular music and midi composition program. Both of these applications have no substitutes in the open source world and only have costly equivalents in the ms windows world, neither being available for ms windows although there are requests to port for both this won't happen in the immediate future. Rosegarden can work without lilypond as it is only bound to lilyponds notation fonts but the sheet music it exports will be useless so it will lose major functionality. Lilypond won't even be able to be installed via tarball on openSUSE 12.1 without the user removing guile 2.0 completely and installing guile 1.8 via tarball, as a result these users of lilypond and rosegarden will drop openSUSE. I started as a community maintainer by saving both lilypond and rosegarden from being dropped, I'm now very active in maintaining multimedia apps and libs and losing these programs will mean losing a large section of professionals in music related professions that have migrated from the windows world including the people that I've converted from ms windows just by showing them rosegarden although ms's change from xp to vista also helped. For the other packages that directly depend on guile : guile aisleriot gnucash autogen and slib, the change back to guile-1.8.8 won't AFAICS have any negative effects, all of these packages simply have patches for guile 2.0 and after looking at the patches, will most probably build with the patches still in place. I don't know what the situation is with guile users but it is an app for use by apps and not a direct users app. Guile-1.8.7 builds for factory, guile-1.8.7 doesn't build for 11.4. What are we going to do? Drop lilypond, I will keep it alive in home:plater:lilypond with guile-1.8.8 to replace guile-2.0.2 or revert to guile-1.8.8 in line with the other linux distributions? Thanks Dave Plater -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Call for article submissions for news.o.o
by Bryen M. Yunashko 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

At the recent 12.1 Marketing hackfest, we devised an editorial schedule and folks have begun writing articles for promoting 12.1. However, some of these articles haven't been submitted yet. We suggest that in order to minimize confusion and reduce excessive pinging, you create an ietherpad with your article and link to it in the editorial schedule at http://ietherpad.com/sked or send your article directly to news(a)opensuse.org. Using a pad such as ietherpad or piratepad has proven to be such a valuable tool for crowdsourcing an article and getting it really spiffed up. Submitting your article links will enable us to ensure the articles are published in a timely manner and also allows the news team to be able to review and polish (not change!) the article itself ahead of time so that it becomes publishable. And while I'm at it, I'll use this opportunity to invite anyone who thinks they have an article in mind to go ahead and start writing it. There's still plenty of topics in our schedule that don't have an assigned writer yet. And as I tell people often, don't worry about your writing skills. Just write! Braindump it! Our news team is dedicated to being there to help polish and make it presentable for you. And wherever possible, we'll make sure that a subject matter expert also reviews the article for accuracy. Our stories do get picked up by other news media outlets and this is a chance to make you shine with a byline! Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE News Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] countdown.o.o for 12.1?
by Kim-lk Leyendecker 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

Howdy friends, Wasn´t it planned to switch to the 12.1 countdown right after the conference? I still see the 11.4 one at http://countdown.opensuse.org/ When will the change be? thanks in advance ;-) Kim -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://dewiki.opensuse.org German Wiki relaunched! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] 12.1 Beta status
by Bryen M. Yunashko 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

Just an FYI to everyone, According to Bernard, we will have a delay of the 12.1 beta release by two weeks. It should have been released tomorrow, but pushed back for several reasons. Bernard is working on an announcement article which we will fix up for him and publish as soon as it is ready. I just wanted to let you know about this ahead of time as some of you are reaching out to plan Beta pIzza Parties and may want to push those parties back a little bit. Stay tuned for the formal announcement and details to come soon. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Marketing Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] User Days/Open Week
by Benjamin Donald-Wilson 25 Sep '11

25 Sep '11

Hello everybody, Seeing as Ubuntu User Days and Open Week are coming up I have a idea for the openSUSE community to do something too. The idea of User Days and Open Week are that people run IRC based session about it like using Firefox, switching from another OS, and others. User Days should run over 1 weekend and try to have a session every hour like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty starting with a intro about User Days. Open Week would happen a week or two before a new release and should focus on the previous release as it turns it into the new *stable* release. Thinking this would require a team of at least 3 or 4 people with monthly meetings and I am more then happy to lead the team if the community does not object. So I send this email for approval for this and your opinion. =========== Thank you very much, Ben Donald-Wilson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Issue #194 is ready for translation
by Sascha Manns 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

Hi @all! Issue #194 of the openSUSE Weekly News is ready for translation [0]. We collected some FAQ here [1]. [0]: http://news.opensuse.org/?p=11071 [1]: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Weekly_news/FAQ Have Phun! -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns open-slx GmbH Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team http://saigkill.homelinux.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] some organisation around etherpad
by jdd 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

Hello, I must admit the first time I was asked to use etherpad my first movement was to don't like it. But after some use, it seems so well fitted for our work (collaborative writing of small documents), that my mind completely changed. However I'm worried to have documents spread randomly and to have early versions accessible with google. So I think we should use a "professional" ietherpad account (as far as I understand it's free) - any of us - and use some sort of tree organisation. for example a starting point as ietherpad.com/opensuse-marketting with a summary of the other page (table of contents) and for example, a page ietherpad.com/opensuse-marketting-flyerv4 for the flyer in discussion I think once a page is openned it's possible to have several administrators. I think also that we can accept any volunteer to connect on this etherpad, my only concern being google (or other indexing system). Jos, what do you think? will you open this page or do you want me to do? or do you prefere to stay completely open? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Discussion Notes from osc11
by Robert Lihm 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

Hello Folks, during the osc11 we had two discussions about openSUSE 12.1 Artwork and how to handle our git-repos for artwork in future. Here you can check out the summaries I wrote together: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rQClArJNDzSENdHl49ul_WZw43qjbUM0Z19oIMk… https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eQqM7vdVPAupjfmjKaJge4vFoUoIIKEjfVOjw3K… You can find them as well on my blog with some surrounding blabla :-) Currently we focus on the on the Artwork of 12.1 and there is an ongoing thread on the opensuse-artwork ML, so feel free to join the discussion ... or ongoing voting (ends today at 1800h CET). As soon as we have the 12.1 Artwork done, I take a look on the git-repo-issue. Thank you and Have fun! Robert --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm(a)suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-marketing] some organisation around etherpad
by Richard Brown 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

James, Before I realised you had already done all the hard work, I spoke to henne about the possibility of something like this. http://pad.opensuse.org was the subdomain I was bouncing around for the idea when I was talking about it in IRC. His reply was along the lines of "if you package it, then we can have a VM for it" I then tried packaging Node.js and my head exploded...and then I got busy with oSC and everything after it :) As you've practically already packaged it with your Gallery image, I guess we can speak to henne and see if something like pad.opensuse.org is possible. Regards Richard / Ilmehtar >>> James Mason 09/22/11 5:42 PM >>> On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 09:25 +0200, jdd wrote: > Hello, > > I must admit the first time I was asked to use etherpad my first > movement was to don't like it. > > But after some use, it seems so well fitted for our work > (collaborative writing of small documents), that my mind completely > changed. > > However I'm worried to have documents spread randomly and to have > early versions accessible with google. > > So I think we should use a "professional" ietherpad account (as far as > I understand it's free) - any of us - and use some sort of tree > organisation. > > for example a starting point as > > ietherpad.com/opensuse-marketting > > with a summary of the other page (table of contents) > > and for example, a page > > ietherpad.com/opensuse-marketting-flyerv4 > > for the flyer in discussion > > I think once a page is openned it's possible to have several > administrators. I think also that we can accept any volunteer to > connect on this etherpad, my only concern being google (or other > indexing system). > > Jos, what do you think? will you open this page or do you want me to > do? or do you prefere to stay completely open? > > thanks > jdd > > -- > http://www.dodin.net > http://pizzanetti.fr I'll reiterate a comment I made somewhere else that never got a reply... etherpad-lite, although the naming connotations are inaccurate, is a far superior product to the traditional etherpad. There's an image on SUSE Gallery[1] that runs fine in as little as 360MB RAM, and instances have been running internally at SUSE for over a month without any issues. I *strongly* recommend we bring up our own etherpad-lite server somewhere ( http://pad.opensuse.org ? ), and stop cluttering around everywhere else. [1] http://susegallery.com/a/R8DAbW/etherpad-lite # Yes I built it... so ;-) - James M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-artwork] openSUSE-12.1 wallpaper
by Helen South 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

I just wanted to add, that months ago I tried to bring up some discussion about vision and theme and was told 'don't talk about it, just do it'. So the conversation more or less ended, and I didn't really follow any further discussion due to other commitments in the meantime. Now someone has "just done it" and put time and effort into create nice artwork, and NOW you all want to add criticisms and say you don't like this or that. This is quite absurd. There needs to be a clear artwork vision discussed well before release, outlines put forward of the look and theme that is wanted for the distribution/release, a list of what specific artworks are required. THAT is when everyone can air their views. At this point of the process it should be minor tweaks and ajustments. But THAT would have required a DISCUSSION not 'just do it'. There is a difference between bikeshedding and planning. The project needs to consult with the creative members of the team and appoint an art team leader who has a clue about what is required for the components of the release, and then TRUST THEIR JUDGEMENT to guide the artwork production. This needs to happen months before the release, not weeks. -- IRC: helen_au helen.south(a)opensuse.org helensouth.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)suse.de> wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 22. September 2011 schrieb Will Stephenson: >> On Thursday 22 Sep 2011 09:21:49 Robert Lihm wrote: >> > On 22.09.2011, at 08:13, Helen South wrote: >> > > I couldn't disagree more strongly. >> > > >> > > I think they are absolutely beautiful, stunning work. I loved Nuno's >> > > shirt design and I think these are a delightful adaptation of that >> > > design. I have made the black one my background right now! The olive >> > > green one is lovely too - the variations in color look great on my >> > > monitor. The bright one.... *ouch* :P >> > >> > I like the idea of picking up our shirt design! And I finally like how >> > Richard made it. I would go with the less bright green ... but that's a >> > question of taste :-) >> >> I liked the shirt design, but it's what, 18 months old now? And it is >> derived from what I call 'vegetative swirls' which are soo passé (check >> out the 2002 Garland lightshade in the 'Art and Design from the 2000s' >> collection at MOMA: http://bit.ly/o6nYRs) everywhere except free software >> graphic design. Jimmac introduced them (in a high quality execution) for >> 11.2 in 2009, and I pointed this out then. > > We don't need objections now. We need alternatives or votes. > > Greetings, Stephan > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org

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