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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki Transition + Next Meeting
by Rupert Horstkötter 05 Dec '09

05 Dec '09

Team, as a follow-up to the thread "ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind" I posted one week ago to the list, I'd like to summarize what we have and what we need to do next. 1. Rajko did in awesome job with the evaluation of FlaggedRevs extension and his result is promising. If there are no complaints, we'll use this extension for our QA process in combination with the Wiki Forum at forums.o.o I currently take care of (see 1a). Rajko provided a showcase of FlaggedRevs at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Extension_FlaggedRevs General information is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs 1a. I myself discussed the creation of the Wiki Forum (see 1) at forums.o.o with the Forums Team and it now should be just a matter of bureaucracy it get it live - I got great support from the Forums Team here. The current request is to press the button once we need the Wiki Forum in place. 2. Rajko, Shayon and Remy already made good progress with the wiki-templates. The result is available at http://en.opensuse.org/Template and http://en.opensuse.org/Daily_templates. We still need to think about an article-template to ensure a consistent look&feel of Tutorial pages. 3. As soon as possible I'll get started with the creation of the Guidelines. I'd appreciate any helping hand interested in contributing here. We need to explain the proper Wiki Usage, the creation of articles from a design, formulation, conception and syntax perspective. The Templates need to be linked and the QA Process (FlaggedRevs in combination with the Wiki Forum) need to be explained in detail. I'll definitely need input from Wiki Seniors to explain the one or the other aspect. 4. If there are no complaints, we'll go for Henne's 3rd approach to start with a new instance from scratch, move just the content we want while taking care of a consistent look&feel, the conformity of Tutorials with the principles defined in the Guidelines and the Content Structure Henne proposed earlier (i.e. a variant of that). For your reference, here it is once again: Main -> Portal:11.2 -> /Features -> /Screenshots -> /Screenshots/KDE -> /Screenshots/UserDesktops -> /Press -> /SDB -> SDB:ASUS_WL-160N_USB_Wireless_Adapter -> keep older versions in $VERSION namespace e.g. 11.1:Features and 1.11:Screenshots/GNOME -> Portal:Project -> Project:Guiding Principles -> Project:Teams -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team/Tasks -> Project:Teams/GNOME -> Project:Teams/GNOME/Submitting_Bugs -> Project:Communication -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists/Etiquette -> Project:Communication/Forums -> Project:Communication/IRC -> Project:Communication/Meetings -> Project:Communication/Meetings/Archive -> Project:Tools -> Project:Tools/Build Service -> Project:Tools/Build_Service/Concepts -> Portal:Wiki -> Meta::Structure -> Meta:Structure/Templates -> Meta:Structure/Namespaces -> Meta:Styleguide Remaining task here is to come up with transition guidelines. Petr/Henne? Shoud we do this in collaboration? 5. Frank needs input about http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions in order to get started with the fresh instance - we certainly need FlaggedRevs as our QA flagship but please provide input about the rest in order to support Frank. 6. Once we have everything in place and the new instance up and running we need to get started with http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages - select what we'd like to transfer, assure consistent design and categorize it into the new structure while utilizing the templates. So far the organizational things... That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank. Thus I won't schedule until I got input about availability of all parties - please tell me what time during the week is most appropriate for you. I myself prefer to schedule on CET evening to assure a sufficient time for american and indian participants (Shayon) while still have a sufficient time for european participants in place. Please, let's approximately target end of next week OR beginning of the week after next week. Thanks in advance for your support - I try to come up with a date/time that's appreciated by all parties. Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Request to create the Slovak wiki pages, again
by Rastislav Krupanský 01 Dec '09

01 Dec '09

Hi. I demanded to create sk.opensuse.org wiki pages last year - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2008-11/msg00000.html. All translations needed for creating them was finished, but the pages aren´t created yet. What´s the problem? -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] RFC:Title capitalization on the openSUSE wiki
by Rajko M. 01 Dec '09

01 Dec '09

We've discussed which style of capitalization should be used on our wiki. Couple of years ago I changed requirement to use Wikipedia style and gave example of "Benefits of Open Office" and "Benefits of open office" as sample where first can't make difference between institution called Open Office and work style that keeps some office open in some way, while Wikipedia style is clear in that proper noun is written capitalized, and all other nouns not. The currently active Wiki Team is for Wikpedia style, but as we are not alone on the wiki, we need more opinions. -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] PDF links on en.o.o broken
by Christian Boltz 27 Nov '09

27 Nov '09

Hello, I just noticed that the PDF links on en.opensuse.org/Linuxtag are broken. They contain a black square at the bottom-right and are no longer clickable. Can someone with more experience with the template used for those links please look at it (and fix it ;-) ? Regards, Christian Boltz -- > [1] Schmerzen wg. einer Zerrung > -- > Nicht alles, was hinkt, ist ein Vergleich. In manchen Fällen ist es auch ein David Haller... *SCNR* [> David Haller und Mario van der Linde in suse-linux] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Wiki Forum
by Rupert Horstkötter 23 Nov '09

23 Nov '09

Shayon, I send a copy to the list as the information about the final approval of the Wiki forum from the Forums team is certainly interesting for the whole team ... That said, 2009/11/20 Shayon Mukherjee <hkwarlock(a)gmail.com>: > Hello, > Rupert Horstkötter wrote: >> Shayon, >> Well, the usual business of a Forums Moderator. Moderate Discussions >> when needed. Assure sufficient behaviour of Forums' participants >> conform with the T&C and react on violation of those. Merge threads >> and delete spam and so on and so forth. This certainly just applies to >> the Wiki Forum, not to the Forums as a whole. >> >> Best, >> R >> >> > Thanks Rupert for your reply.I seem to be interested in this task.But i > dont have any experience with the being a forum moderator before , like > Jonnathan :) ,But i can assure i can perform the task very well.So rest > is upto you..Also i would like to know when is the whole process goin to > start :) > You're welcome! Having no experiences so far isn't bad - the whole life is a learning process. I proposed you, Remy and Jon now at forums.o.o - still awaiting feedback. From my very personal point of view, you all three should get the "job" (the more Mods the better). The whole process is going to start once we have managed the transition into the new instance and have the new QA implemented. I have, in the meantime, the definite approval from the Forums Team for the creation of the Wiki Forum. They're just waiting for green lights from our team to press the "Go Live Button" actually. I'll discuss the Moderator appointment with them (last step) and we're done with that particular task. Thanks, R > I didnt sent this message to the list . As this one is not much > important to be there > > -- > Reagards, > Shayon Mukherjee > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock > Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com > Twitter: ShayonM > > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Re: Opensuse 11.2 Translate About
by Rajko M. 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

On Tuesday 17 November 2009 05:08:46 Tora Toraman wrote: > Dear Rajko, > > Translations done opensuse 11.2? How can we do to Turkish translation. In > this regard I very glad you could send me the emergency response. > > Best Regards. > Tora Toraman > > www.suse-tr.com > I missed you email, sorry. I'm right now on http://tr.opensuse.org/ and I can see few errors: ---- Ticari Sürümü: openSUSE 11.1 ---- Projenin Dönüm Noktaları talks about 10.3 Please see http://en.opensuse.org/Mediawiki:Mainpagerightcolumn and update the http://tr.opensuse.org/MedyaViki:Mainpagerightcolumn . Word Mediawiki is not necessary to translate. It is the name of software that runs wiki, and the namespace Mediawiki: is the system area of that software. I don't know rules in Turkish considering translations, but when it is about software, I'm sure that one has to be very careful when translating. ---- Featured Article Please comment it out with  after text. I'm not sure how to help you with those edits as you have sysop/bureaucrat rights on tr wiki, so you can edit those areas. BTW, I added the wiki mail list in CC as your question can be better answered there. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] uggestion about opensuse. org forums
by Tora Toraman 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

dear authorities and developers want to establish a Turkish forum on tr.opensuse .org. but i don't know whom i should contact with for that. if everyone can establish forums in their own languages and make use of it, opensuse users will be gatherin in opensuse.org, not in alternative websites. whatever the language they have, people will visit opensuse. org if there is a forum in their own language. if opensuse. org can also be active as a forum and gather the users in its own organization, it will be very profitable and useful for opensuse.orgproject. Or it could be one individual forum that includes multilingual forums. i would like to know what your opinions are about this suggestion. the main purpose here should not only be to gather people who only translate or develop on opensuse. org. however, latest users should be involved on here to share information so that opensuse.org can turn out to be a more vivid and active website. tora toraman www.suse-tr . com http://tr.opensuse. org/Kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1:Toratoraman E-Mail : toratoraman(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki Forum
by Rupert Horstkötter 20 Nov '09

20 Nov '09

Team, JFYI, I'll get started with a discussion about the creation of a Wiki Forum as part of our QA process (proof-reading) with the Forums Team over at forums.o.o (I have access to the private team area). Besides the proof-reading aspect I feel this appropriate as a discussion platform for the Wiki Team with the openSUSE Community (getting feedback, providing guidance, ..., collaboration from a long term perspective, i.e. transforming valuable Forums content into tutorial-style articles for the Wiki and so on and so forth). As we move forward with the implementation of our Usability Concept, I feel this as the right time to kick this off - that way we'll have the Wiki Forum available as soon as we need it. Any complaints? Please provide input you may have. Thanks, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Something wrong with login page ??
by Rajko M. 18 Nov '09

18 Nov '09

I attached small image that is large enough to explain the problem. Is that my Konqueror, or it is the page? Reloading the page doesn't help. Firefox is OK. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About

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[opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind
by Rupert Horstkötter 18 Nov '09

18 Nov '09

Team, I'm pretty much satisfied with the progress we make with the Usability Concept, no question, but there's one thing we constantly need to take care of - not losing organization and having the big picture in mind. That said, I'd like provide an attempt to structure the tasks we need to achieve at first glance and especially order them appropriately: We need to... 1. agree on the QA process - Rajko is currently reviewing FlaggedRevs and approx. ETA is end of this week (this is important for the creation of the new instance) 1a. not urgent (during transition) but related to 1: creation of the Wiki Forum at forums.o.o as part of QA - my task 2. come up with article-templates (to ensure consistent design) and sort wiki-templates (like: tested with openSUSE 11.2) - Shayon? John? 3. create the Guidelines (at least that part we need for our Transition Guidelines - that is 1 and 2) - cannot be done prior completion of 1 and 2 - my task (helping hands appreciated) 4. agree on a transition plan and come up with those Transition Guidelines (almost done, I like Petr's approach and afaik we're all in sync to prefer henne's 3rd option) 5. Go through http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages and begin to migrate in conformity with 2 and 4 I write this email to raise the attention on the following (while I hope this is anyway obvious): We cannot get started with tasks 4 and 5 before we completed tasks 1, 2, 3. Other things like the establishment of the front portal (Federico, Petr, Rajko and Shayon), the project-portals and wiki-projects (Federico and Petr) and so on are not mission-critical for the success of the actual transition though. Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] 11.2 Step-by-step installation guide
by DenverD 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

i wonder why it is not (yet) possible to have the live website's path lead to the 11.2 install guide, instead of: http://opensuse.org/ > http://www.opensuse.org/en/ > click "get it" > http://software.opensuse.org/112/en > click "Step-by-step installation guide" > which lands on Installation/11.*1* DVD Install does anyone know if a full set of 11.2 screen shots are available, and/or if they can just be "dropped" into the current slots and the words surrounding still sing true? or, maybe just the link from http://software.opensuse.org/112/en needs to be changed to point to an existing 11.2 install guide ??? [i don't know who has edit rights on that page, but it is sure not me.] DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind
by Rupert Horstkötter 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Date: 2009/11/17 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind To: Remy Marquis <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com> Remy, 2009/11/17 Remy Marquis <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Well i listed maximum number of templates which needs review(few are >>>> still left) by Rajko and other senior members of openSUSE Wiki .As Rajko >>>> is busy now a days with experimenting and other stuffs.So it would take >>>> a bit time , but will be completed soon :) . And now Remi (Spyhawk) is >>>> actively taking care of the templates at the same time .! >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks for the update. I talked to Spyhawk by myself on IRC and I'm >>> really looking forward to the results. Is there an approx. ETA? May >>> you please notify the team when finished with this effort? >>> >> Well i am not sure about an approx ETA (most probably a week or so, >> though not sure).As it is constant process .And requires very much of >> reviewing work and all similar stuffs.So it would take time. But will >> surely notify when its done (any one of the concerned one can do this) :) > > Hi, > > About the Flaggrev : It seems to be the way to go :) > I'm on my way reviewing what Rajko provided, but it seems it actually is, yes. Will provide more feedback later. > About the Templates : It a total mess :) > With Rajko and Shayon, we had a look at the 200+ different templates > available, cleaned bunch of articles and marked dozen of useless or > duplicate templates for deletion. There is more work to come, but at > the present state, the following wiki pages > > - [[Template]] regroups the templates that are really useful and that > shouldn't be deleted > - [[Daily_templates]] regroups the main tags that will be used for > article review/writing style policy and (more to come here) > This looks very good and exactly what I thought of actually. Thanks for the efforts so far. I'm looking forward for the rest of it - good progress! > I believe it is impossible to entirely clean the actual wiki on a > short term (as this implies to rewrite/change tags on hundreds of > pages), but we can start the new wiki with the already "checked" > templates. We will need to rewrite some pages to assure a consistent > visual style, but hopefully we won't need to change the irrelevant > pages that won't be transferred in the new wiki anyway. Also, if a > template reveals itself to be essential when we proofread the new > wiki, we can add it on the "checked template" list. > That's perfectly fine and desired that way. We'll assure a consistent visual style for transferred articles and start the new wiki with "checked" templates. No worries about "irrelevant pages": we'll go for Henne's 3rd option "3. Start the layout/strucute from scratch on a new wiki instance and copy only the content we want." when creating the new wiki instance and transfer only the content we actually want. > To summarize, it's difficult to clean the actual wiki, but we'll be > able to start the new wiki with selected template in a few days at the > latest. We still need to work a bit on the visual appearance of some > templates thus. > Thanks again for all the man-power that goes into this effort - it's much appreciated and very valuable work. Best, R > Regards, > > R. > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind
by Jon Rocker 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

On a short term, anything of this magnitude is impossible. We need to come up with a plan in smaller bites (no pun intended). Cleaning and maintaining the wiki is one thing that should be continually done. Not something that is done once in a while. To that end, I think that if each respective team kept/maintained and organized their part of the wiki, so that it is in line with the overall wiki, then we can accomplish much more, in less time. Think of it organizationally. No large company tries to use one manager to run everything. It's to big. But instead they have managers that report to their bosses, and so on and so forth. Coming from a call center experience, I am more familiar with that organization. So you have the people taking calls (those writing the wiki articles), then you have their supervisors, and then the supervisors have their managers. The managers have the project manager. The project manager reports to the call center director. I don't know anyones position here, so I can't go and complete that analogy. I do hope you understand it though. If we work it something like that, we will be able to accomplish so much more. Respectfully Jon Rocker Sent from Sun City, AZ, United States On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 23:55, Jon Rocker <linux.learner(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a short term, anything of this magnitude is impossible. We need to > come up with a plan in smaller bites (no pun intended). Cleaning and > maintaining the wiki is one thing that should be continually done. Not > something that is done once in a while. > > To that end, I think that if each respective team kept/maintained and > organized their part of the wiki, so that it is in line with the > overall wiki, then we can accomplish much more, in less time. Think of > it organizationally. No large company tries to use one manager to run > everything. It's to big. But instead they have managers that report to > their bosses, and so on and so forth. > > Coming from a call center experience, I am more familiar with that > organization. So you have the people taking calls (those writing the > wiki articles), then you have their supervisors, and then the > supervisors have their managers. The managers have the project > manager. The project manager reports to the call center director. > > I don't know anyones position here, so I can't go and complete that > analogy. I do hope you understand it though. If we work it something > like that, we will be able to accomplish so much more. > > Respectfully > Jon Rocker > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 23:23, Shayon <hkwarlock(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Remy Marquis <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>> Well i am not sure about an approx ETA (most probably a week or so, >>>> though not sure).As it is constant process .And requires very much of >>>> reviewing work and all similar stuffs.So it would take time. But will >>>> surely notify when its done (any one of the concerned one can do this) :) >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> About the Flaggrev : It seems to be the way to go :) >>> >>> About the Templates : It a total mess :) >>> With Rajko and Shayon, we had a look at the 200+ different templates >>> available, cleaned bunch of articles and marked dozen of useless or >>> duplicate templates for deletion. There is more work to come, but at >>> the present state, the following wiki pages >>> >>> - [[Template]] regroups the templates that are really useful and that >>> shouldn't be deleted >>> - [[Daily_templates]] regroups the main tags that will be used for >>> article review/writing style policy and (more to come here) >>> >> Also [[Template messages to review]] -this contains the templates which >> needs the review by the senior wiki team members, so as to how to deal with >> them >> >>> I believe it is impossible to entirely clean the actual wiki on a >>> short term (as this implies to rewrite/change tags on hundreds of >>> pages), but we can start the new wiki with the already "checked" >>> templates. We will need to rewrite some pages to assure a consistent >>> visual style, but hopefully we won't need to change the irrelevant >>> pages that won't be transferred in the new wiki anyway. Also, if a >>> template reveals itself to be essential when we proofread the new >>> wiki, we can add it on the "checked template" list. >>> >>> To summarize, it's difficult to clean the actual wiki, but we'll be >>> able to start the new wiki with selected template in a few days at the >>> latest. We still need to work a bit on the visual appearance of some >>> templates thus. >>> >> I am on the same page here Remu :) >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> R. >> >> Best, >> Shayon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org >> >> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Re: [opensuse-project] Naming: openSUSE Medical Team
by Shayon Mukherjee 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote: > Am Sonntag 15 November 2009 22:43:19 wrote Rajko M.: > >> On Sunday 15 November 2009 10:10:14 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote: >> ... >> >> >>> But if it's not so good, then we can recreate our name >>> >> The term "openSUSE Medical" is OK, my note was just about "openSUSE >> Medical Team" and its connotation on this side. Call it "Team >> openSUSE Medical", or call team "openSUSE Medical Software Team", >> > Then i propose, that we change our Team Name to: Tem openSUSE Medical. > What do you thinking, Shayon? > > Hello , Well i very much agree with Rajko and you (Sascha) on the topic - "Team openSUSE Medical" , as "openSUSE Medical Software Team " is a bit lengthy for a topic to be considered . And i feel it should finalized at the earliest :) .So as to carry one through rest of the process . Best, Shayon -- openSUSE Wiki Team Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com Twitter: wwarl0ck -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Hardware site - Link
by Andreas Ernst 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

Hi, the link - http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html - at this site http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/RAID_Controllers shows now to a domain parking site. Maybe this link should be removed from this site. Regards Andreas -- Andreas Ernst - IT Spektrum Postfach 5, 65612 Beselich Schupbacher Str. 32, 65614 Beselich, Germany Tel: +49-6484-91002 Fax: +49-6484-91003 ae(a)ae-online.de www.ae-online.de www.tachyon-online.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki translations
by Rajko M. 15 Nov '09

15 Nov '09

Today I started to mark RO translations for deletion as they are mostly out of date, but then reverted all that. They should go and they should stay, depends what criteria one uses. There is not way that we can have many translations without large teams covering many articles, so what to do with people that want to translate only download and installation articles, to make some friends going with openSUSE, or some article that talks about some setup problem/solution, that is targeted to very small group of users? IMHO, we should allow them. It will help spreading the word about openSUSE, without need to grow old trying to decipher internals of our wiki design. It is simple for insiders, but when one has to translate something it is steep learning first, then if you have time left you can translate too. One namespace for that, call it translations, one article in Main that will index all other in translation namespace. Title as it is now: <lang code>-English Title First section translated title [[Category:<lang code>]] or similar -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] Moving forward towards a better wiki
by Rupert Horstkötter 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jon Rocker <linux.learner(a)gmail.com> Date: 2009/11/13 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Moving forward towards a better wiki To: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Is there a way to have pages flagged when they haven't been updated for X amount of time? To see if they need updating, or they are no longer relevant. This would help is keeping the wiki up to date. Just my 2 cents 2009/11/13 Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org>: > Petr, > > 2009/11/12 Petr Uzel <petr.uzel(a)suse.cz>: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 04:11:18PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: >>> Hey, >>> >>> how about we move forward now? I'm seeing 3 options we have: >>> >>> 1. Create the new layout/structure and move (nearly) all current pages >>> in the wiki around. >>> 2. Copy all current pages into a the new-wiki namespace, work on the new >>> layout/structure in the namespace and move pages back. >>> 3. Start the layout/strucute from scratch on a new wiki instance and >>> copy only the content we want. >>> >>> Each of the methods has its pros and cons. I am very much in favor of 3. >>> I think we would end up with a pretty mean 'n' clean setup which we can >>> drive forward from then on. Your opinion? Rajko? Rupert? Federico? Petr? >>> Lubos? Shayon? Everyone else? >> >> I'm also for the third option as it forces us to consider what to do >> with every page of the current wiki. >> >> Before moving any stuff from old wiki to new wiki, we should have a >> very precise plan what should be moved where, what should be >> discarded, merged, whatever. This requires existence of some >> 'transition' guidelines with which we all agree and which will be >> strictly followed while moving stuff from old to new wiki. >> > I'm completely on the same page here. If we do this without following > "Transition Guidelines", we'll just produce a new mess out of an old > one and this is not desirable. Talking about "Transition Guidelines", > we should also consider our to be created "Wiki Guidelines" - > unfortunately it's rather difficult to come up with these until other > construction yards are still un-finished (especially the QA - Rajko is > working on this and the sorting/creation of templates). I myself would > very much appreciate if we could agree on a consistent design of Wiki > articles - who's in charge of this? Shayon and John? All Petr > mentioned is perfectly appropriate but in addition to that (while > checking http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages or something > similar), shouldn't we also take care to get rid of the in-consistent > design? I'm sorry to mention again my very personal favourite wiki > ubuntuusers.de but from my perspective they just do it right and > therefore I took the time to collect some article examples (translated > to english) to show what I mean with a consistent look&feel: > http://tinyurl.com/yjz8fql http://tinyurl.com/yk2lugz > http://tinyurl.com/yz7suh7 http://tinyurl.com/yjw7sba > > From my perspective, a consistent design of content is an important > aspect to provide usability to the reader. What do you think to take > of this within the Transtition Guidelines (within the Wiki Guidelines > anyway)? > >> Perhaps this could be achieved by organizing something similar (or >> just finishing) to http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages. >> This way we could >> - minimize time for which main opensuse wiki is r/o >> - check every page whether it complies with the wiki standards > > See above: Design and general Wiki Guidelines. > >> - properly categorize each page >> >> Generally, this way we could check the wiki from perspective of >> individual pages and later, by moving, reorganize it as a whole. >> > I'm completely on the same page here Petr. > > Thanks, > R > >> >> -- >> Best regards / s pozdravem >> >> Petr Uzel, openSUSE Boosters Team >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: puzel(a)suse.cz >> Lihovarská 1060/12 http://www.suse.cz >> 190 00 Prague 9, CR >> > > > > -- > Rupert Horstkötter > openSUSE Community Assistant > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter > Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org > Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] RFC: Content Structure
by Henne Vogelsang 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

Hi, i clicked (nearly) through the (complete) wiki today, and i think we can reduce the clutter to 3 big topics and sort everything into those. - Distro (Namespace=main,Portal=Portal:$VERSION,Project=Distro) - Project (Namespace=Project,Portal=Portal:Project,Project=Project) - Meta (Wiki) (Namespace=Meta,Portal=Portal:Wiki,Project=Wiki) So something like this structure: Main -> Portal:11.2 -> /Features -> /Screenshots -> /Screenshots/KDE -> /Screenshots/UserDesktops -> /Press -> /SDB -> SDB:ASUS_WL-160N_USB_Wireless_Adapter -> keep older versions in $VERSION namespace e.g. 11.1:Features and 1.11:Screenshots/GNOME -> Portal:Project -> Project:Guiding Principles -> Project:Teams -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team/Tasks -> Project:Teams/GNOME -> Project:Teams/GNOME/Submitting_Bugs -> Project:Communication -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists/Etiquette -> Project:Communication/Forums -> Project:Communication/IRC -> Project:Communication/Meetings -> Project:Communication/Meetings/Archive -> Project:Tools -> Project:Tools/Build Service -> Project:Tools/Build_Service/Concepts -> Portal:Wiki -> Meta::Structure -> Meta:Structure/Templates -> Meta:Structure/Namespaces -> Meta:Styleguide This way we would, like Rajko proposes, keep the main namespace clean. Can limit search to the main and the Portal namespace. Won't get another 6 gazillion namespaces. And have a structure we can expand in an orderly fashion by forcing new topics to start with a portal and in their own namespace. What do you think? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Moving forward towards a better wiki
by Henne Vogelsang 13 Nov '09

13 Nov '09

Hey, how about we move forward now? I'm seeing 3 options we have: 1. Create the new layout/structure and move (nearly) all current pages in the wiki around. 2. Copy all current pages into a the new-wiki namespace, work on the new layout/structure in the namespace and move pages back. 3. Start the layout/strucute from scratch on a new wiki instance and copy only the content we want. Each of the methods has its pros and cons. I am very much in favor of 3. I think we would end up with a pretty mean 'n' clean setup which we can drive forward from then on. Your opinion? Rajko? Rupert? Federico? Petr? Lubos? Shayon? Everyone else? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Problem with wiki
by Kálmán Kéménczy 13 Nov '09

13 Nov '09

Hi there, Few pictures are missing on my wiki page, however I could see them when I click on the missing image placeholder. http://hu.opensuse.org/11.2/ What should I do? thanks in advance kalman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] FlaggedRevs experiment
by Rajko M. 13 Nov '09

13 Nov '09

> Now I'm removing last traces of extension and I'll try installation again. Some of tables that I have to remove are called reader feedback. That is the latest feature in FlaggedRevs extension. And in the meantime, cleanup process revealed some missing colums in page table, which can mean improper installation. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] openSUSE Wiki
by Nedin Ametovski 12 Nov '09

12 Nov '09

Hello, I like to participate for translating openSUSE wiki on my language (macedonian), also i`m proud user on openSUSE,and i like to promote Suse here in Macedonia. Cant you tell me is that posible and if it is how to procced further. Best Regars, Nedin Ametovski -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] QA process - FlaggedRevs VS Sandboxing
by Rupert Horstkötter 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

Team, we still need to agree on either Sandboxing or FlaggedRevs as our QA process for the openSUSE Wiki - I'm the assignee to start this discussion... so, here it is. During our Meeting last Friday, the general concensus was to go for the Sandboxing approach, but I know that there are other opinions as well from parties not joining the Meeting and thus I'd like to give another possibility to discuss the Pros and Cons of both Approaches before we decide which one to implement finally. During our meeting last Friday, we came up with the proposal to get the opportunity to test both approaches in a testing environment to give the Wiki Team an actual idea. Frank, would it be possible to set this up? This isn't urgently needed but would certainly be desired. So far the foreword :-) As I outlined several times before, I myself am for Sandboxing (I mean this was an integral part of my initial concept-proposal) as our QA Process. I'll explain it again: 1. New articles would need to be created in a Namespace Sandbox, so e.g. Sandbox:Nvidia. As soon as the author feels the article confirm with the Guidelines and sufficient from a content perspective, he'd present the new article in Sandbox for reviewing purposes. This would be done utilizing a (to be created) Wiki Forum at forums.o.o where we may use a crowd of 35.000 proofreaders (at best). The author gets feedback that way and the article should evolve. After a certain time, the new article will be moved and categorized into the main Namespace and thus be part of approved openSUSE documentation. The decision to move the article would be the responsibility of a Wiki Moderator. Thus I proposed to define the role of a Wiki Team Member as a supporter/moderator (this also makes sense for e.g. the mentoring program we'd like to implement - different story) 2. Existing content? We need to distinguish between minor and major edits here and define those within the Guidelines. A minor edit covers spelling corrections, add a link as a reference etc. Within the Guidelines we encourge editors to do only minor edits to existing pages. Whenever a major edit needs to be done/is desired, the author requests a working copy of the article in Sandbox where he can work on it. Once it's done, the new article needs to pass the reviewing process, just like a completely new one, and the decison IF that article is finally sufficient to replace the existing one in main Namespace is the sole courtesy of the Wiki Team. We certainly may need to restrict this approach to the main Namespace (content interesting for the end user), but the decision about the structure of the Wiki is ongoing - started by Henne. Thus we need to look how that works out in the end (and restrict the Sandboxing approach just to parts of the Wiki structure we'll agree on). Yeah, that's it! I feel this as a valid approach to stop the uncontrolled growth of the openSUSE Wiki and to ensure proper quality of articles confirm with the Guidelines from a design, formulation and conception perspective. To get feedback about this approach I interviewed Martin Gräßlin from wiki.ubuntuusers.de - they have imho one of the best wikis out there from a usability and quality perspective and they use this approach for ages. Martin told me that the acceptance factor is awesome and the process is easy to handle for the Wiki Team. That's what I can tell you, i.e. forward to you as an actual experience. The alternative would be to go for the FlaggedRevs MediaWiki Extension proposed by cboltz and afaik supported by Rajko_m. FlaggedRevs, in short, provides the opportunity to have several revisions of articles in parallel and the one approved by the Wiki Team is shown to the user, the others are hidden until one of them gets approval and replaces the currently shown one - at least that's how I myself understood this approach. The Cons from my perspective are the additional maintenance of a MediaWiki Extension that has writable access to the database (according to Frank). Also I do not see how we should utilize a Wiki-Forum then (at least not obviously) and I myself feel no real advantage over the Sandboxing. That said, the intention is to give this discussion another period to evolve, so please, FlaggedRevs supporterrs, jump in and explain. Finally I'd like to close this discussion with an ultimate decision about the QA process we're going to implement - at some point in time we need to go forward and we need an agreement for either approach to cover/explain it within the Guidelines. Just now, the tendency by the team is to go for Sandboxing (checked in the Meeting - see transcript http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Meetings/2009_10_30-transcript) but I'll certainly go along with whatever decision made by the team - I'd just like to have a decision. I'd propose to discuss this for a timeframe of one week as of now and afterwards we vote - sounds sufficient? Thanks, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Feedback wanted
by Jon Rocker 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

I posted a thread on the openSUSE Forums. We have received some feedback there. The feedback needs to continue, so that we can make this the best wiki and portal possible. Here is the link to the thread on the openSUSE Forums: http://forums.opensuse.org/general-chit-chat/424752-sneek-peak-new-opensuse… -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Export functionality in openSUSE wiki
by Rajko M. 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

In thread [opensuse-wiki] QA process - FlaggedRevs VS Sandboxing I mentioned problem to export page with whole history. The problem is that server http://en.opensuse.org that errors out with 504 if I ask for complete article with history. If request is for export of current revision then all is good. I didn't attempt to debug problem, but CBoltz has more experience with this. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Sandbox implementation
by John E. Perry 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

One of the beauties of a wiki is that much more information can be put into it because anyone can put information into it. That said, if it's done without care and some control, we find a mess after a short time. So we need to try to keep the principle of letting everyone contribute with little or no restriction but restrict people's ability to put stuff in. :-) I like the sandbox idea; but putting limits on its availability to the open public, either as contributors or as users, violates the original wiki principle. How about a parallel-tree implementation? There would be two trees, one rooted as "sandbox" and one as "certified", or some such. Every new contribution is flagged as "sandbox" and linked into the sandbox tree, but also linked appropriately by the contributor and/or editors into the category and/or project trees. Users would normally search on verified, conformant resources in the "certified" tree, but would have the clearly marked option of searching on unverified, tentative sandbox resources, too. Browsing indexes would contain all contributions, but the sandbox stuff would be highlighted, and maybe even turned on/off at the user's option. Access to the sandbox tree would be for editors and moderators, and all new contributions would be forced into the sandbox tree. As moderators, negotiating with editors and contributors, approve contributions, the "sandbox" link would be removed, leaving the contribution clean and already in its proper place in the wiki, and now available to the default search and unmarked as tentative or developmental or whatever. There would have to be a parallel sandbox portal, too, so editors wouldn't have to search through the entire wiki for the prospective contributions they want to work with. This parallel tree would mirror the certified tree, to make it easy for editors and moderators to see how it would fit into the certified wiki. Things to discuss would be how easy to make sandbox material available to normal users, how to ease discussions between team members and contributors, who gets to remove the sandbox flag, whether and how to distinguish "major" from "minor" edits, and likely other matters that don't come to my mind at the moment. And, of course, the first discussion would have to be whether this is even worth discussing in detail. I don't believe this proposal is premature, since implementation methods could influence opinions on the merits of FlaggedRevs vs. sandbox ideas, and indeed I believe I perceive a melding of the two concepts here. John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Wiki Team Meeting 091030 - Meeting Minutes
by Rupert Horstkötter 06 Nov '09

06 Nov '09

Shayon, 2009/11/5 Shayon <hkwarlock(a)gmail.com>: > Rupert Horstkötter wrote: >> Team, >> >> #3 – Frontpage/Portal (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Shayon) >> We'd like to replace the current http://en.opensuse.org with a Portal >> to openSUSE documentation resources (the wiki) while offloading >> content from the current http://en.opensuse.org to >> http://www.opensuse.org – a two-column layout is desirable. >> Jbrockmeier requested to leave the sponsor links and move them to the >> right column if possible - rhorstkoetter will sync this with the >> webteam. Shayon is responsible for the development of >> http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New, Rajko's contribution would be >> desirable here. We need to focus on proper categorization (provide as >> less categories at the main Portal as possible for usability purposes) >> while utilizing wiki-portals/projects for deeper hierarchies – see #4. >> Once this is done, the draft for the main Portal should be pushed to >> the marketing- and webteams for smooting out the design, language and >> overall appearence of the Portal. The guidelines will be prominently >> placed at the main portal. Finally we'd like to have an openSUSE-like >> http://tinyurl.com/y8gh6hj - just to get a general idea. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Rupert >> > > hello, > While i was planning the layout of the frontpage and sorting the things > out.I felt that,lets not make the whole thing portal oriented.And change > a bit of things which are not related with the above matter.Rather i am > trying to sort the important categories which would be helpful for the > frontpage to guide the end-users in a desired manner.And also i am > leaving a space for the Guidelines to be added as to make it easier for > the future purpose.And i'll make the layout in such a way that > everything is taken care of.I hope everything is satisfying. (this just > the bit).After i complete the layout of the frontpage -i'll let you know! :0 > Looking forward to it - thanks for your engagement! Best, R > If you have got anything to say/comment about it .Let me know. :) > > Best, > Shayon > > -- > openSUSE Wiki Team Member > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock > Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com > Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com > Twitter: wwarl0ck > > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] openSUSE wiki Portals
by Petr Uzel 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Hello, One of the topics we discussed at the IRC meeting on Friday was Wikipedia-like Portals. Here I'd like to summarize how we could make use of it and what steps are needed. Overview ======== Henne Vogelsang came up [1] with the idea of adopting Portals from Wikipedia to openSUSE wiki. The main goal of portals is to nicely present related stuff and give overview about one topic, which means something like an entry page to one part of the wiki. I can imagine e.g. KDE, GNOME, YaST, OBS, Developers, Packaging, Education, Medical and other Portals. Wikipedia uses prepared skeletons and templates which makes creating of new portals quite easy, especially with help of some guidelines [2,3]. Some examples of Wikipedia's portals: [4,5] How are the Portals created =========================== Let's take a look how new Portals are created in Wikipedia. You start by creating new page into which you 'substitute' predefined skeleton [7], which defines several sections that will appear on the Portal page. Portals on Wikipedia consist of several sections. Different portals use different layouts and sections. Here's the list of common sections used in Wikipedia: - Browserbar - navigation bar with links to top-level portals - Intro - some introduction to the portal, what is it about - Selected article - Did you know? - list of some short facts - Picture of the month - Categories - WikiProject - Things to do - Topics - Index of articles - Related portals - News - .... Some of the sections are same for all portals, like Browserbar or Selected article (which, if I understand correctly, use some magic to select random article belonging to the topic). These are implemented using templates. We should think about which sections would be useful in our wiki. Other sections, like Topics or Related portals are unique across the portals, which means they are created manually for each portal. The templates Wikipedia uses for creating portals require ParserFunctions extension [6], which in turn requires MediaWiki 1.7.0 or above. Currently, our wiki runs on MediaWiki 1.5.8, so it seems it is not possible to deploy that before upgrade to new MediaWiki is done (which, if I'm not mistaken, should happen soon after 11.2). On the other hand, we will not probably need all the templates Wikipedia uses, so there's a chance that the ParserFunctions extensions won't be necessary. What to do ========== Here are the tasks we need to do if we decide to adopt the Portals to openSUSE wiki: 1) Identify which sections/templates would be useful in openSUSE wiki --------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's go through some Wikipedia portals and think about the sections they use. I don't think we need 'Did you know?', 'Selected article' or 'Picture of the month' sections. On the other hand, there might be other sections useful for our wiki, like 'List of Howtos' or 'Application of the month'. 2) Design how default openSUSE Portal should look like ------------------------------------------------------ Which sections should the default Portal contain and what should be the layout? Since the Portals can be customized, this does not mean designing universal portal layout, just something from which it is easy to start with new portal. 3) Port needed templates from Wikipedia --------------------------------------- The big question here is what wiki instance should we use for development. I see three options: - setup testing wiki instance with ParserFunctions extension somewhere - wait until openSUSE wiki is upgraded - try how that would work with current wiki (that would answer the question whether ParserFunctions extension is actually needed :) ). 4) Adopt Portal creation guidelines from Wikipedia -------------------------------------------------- This one should be easy :) So, what do you think? Does this all make sense? What did I miss? [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2009-10/msg00004.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portal/Guidelines [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portal/Instructions [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Linux [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Mathematics [6] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions [7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Box_portal_skeleton -- Best regards / s pozdravem Petr Uzel, openSUSE Boosters Team ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: puzel(a)suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 http://www.suse.cz 190 00 Prague 9, CR

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] Use of namespaces in openSUSE wiki
by Rupert Horstkötter 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Forward, accidentally responded to Henne alone. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Date: 2009/11/5 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Use of namespaces in openSUSE wiki To: Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> Henne, 2009/11/5 Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org>: > Hi, > > Rupert Horstkötter wrote: > >> The SDB will anyway be moved out of the wiki and will be maintained >> external. > > Says who? Why would anyone do that? I think it's more than stupid. The > place for user contributed content is our wiki. Nearly every user > contributed content is in the form of howtos, problem solutions, small > documentation pieces (stuff that belongs to the SDB). Why would you > separate that from the wiki? > As I said, I just have semi-verified information here - I'm sorry. To my knowledge, open-slx.com, the company producing and supporting the openSUSE Box Product as of 11.2 will take over the SDB, maintain it and feed it with support information. Please trigger Klaas to get more detailed information about it. He should be able to tell you what's planned in particular. Thanks, R > Henne > > -- > Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. > Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. > - Mike Tyson > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Use of namespaces in openSUSE wiki
by Rajko M. 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Primary question is, should we move articles like "OpenSUSE mailing list netiquette" to more appropriate place like namespace [1] OpenSUSE: with new title "OpenSUSE:Mailing list netiquette" and with current article left as redirect to new location, as netiquette is linked from many places? When we talk about cleaning wiki, anything that is meta/community information about openSUSE should use existing namespace openSUSE, not the Main one as it is now. I would also propose creation of new namespaces like Development, Portal, News, Sandbox, etc. with links to entry pages in Main namespace, or only entry pages in Main namespace. With this we will have clean Main namespace for user searching certain topics and ability to use wiki for more then a few documents targeted to ordinary visitors looking for help. Few indexes in Main namespace will provide links to other namespaces and keywords for search engine. [1] What is namespace and how to use it? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace and particularly section "Namespace uses" -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki Team Meeting 091030 - Meeting Minutes
by Rupert Horstkötter 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Team, here are the meeting minutes for our Wiki Team Meeting #1 on Friday, the 30th of October 2009 at 17:00 UTC. We got started to discuss the usability concept for the openSUSE wiki. Please feel free to add important details I maybe missed. #1 – QA process: FlaggedRevs VS Sandboxing approach (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Fsundermeyer?) We haven't finally decided (yet) which one (FlaggedRevs or Sandboxing) to implement as our QA process. There is a general tendency by the team to go for the sandboxing approach (and in parallel implement the wiki forum for reviewing purposes), but we'd like to give everyone another opportunity to voice their opinion at opensuse-wiki ML - rhorstkoetter is responsible to kickoff the discussion here. Furthermore, we're in general agreement that we need to implement the QA process and would appreciate to get a testing enviroment (FSundermeyer?) for both Sandbox and FlaggedRevs to be able to gather experiences with both of them. #2 – Guidelines (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Shayon) Guidelines will be created to provide wiki editors an understanding about proper design, formulation, conception and syntax of wiki articles. The use of templates needs to explained and an overview about the implemented QA will be given. The content of Guidelines depends on several things we still need to agree on (e.g. The QA Process) and are therefore a working draft. Rhorstkoetter is responsible to come up with a draft in co-work with Shayon. We'll gather ideas at Wikipedia and ubuntuusers.de and see what's sufficient here for our Usecase – Licenses need to be discovered here for imaginable Re-Use. #3 – Frontpage/Portal (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Shayon) We'd like to replace the current http://en.opensuse.org with a Portal to openSUSE documentation resources (the wiki) while offloading content from the current http://en.opensuse.org to http://www.opensuse.org – a two-column layout is desirable. Jbrockmeier requested to leave the sponsor links and move them to the right column if possible - rhorstkoetter will sync this with the webteam. Shayon is responsible for the development of http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New, Rajko's contribution would be desirable here. We need to focus on proper categorization (provide as less categories at the main Portal as possible for usability purposes) while utilizing wiki-portals/projects for deeper hierarchies – see #4. Once this is done, the draft for the main Portal should be pushed to the marketing- and webteams for smooting out the design, language and overall appearence of the Portal. The guidelines will be prominently placed at the main portal. Finally we'd like to have an openSUSE-like http://tinyurl.com/y8gh6hj - just to get a general idea. #4 – Wiki-Projects/Wikipedia-like Portals (Assignee: Federico Mena, Petr, John) We'll implement Wiki-Projects and Wikipedia-like Portals for deeper content hierarchies (as a complement to the main Portal – see #3). We desire to create such Portals for the big openSUSE projects like KDE, Gnome, YaST, Education etc. as well as major categories. The exact concept is courtesy of Federico Mena and Petr (Booster effort). John is interested and welcome to contribute here. Federico's navboxes should be worked into this effort. Federico/Petr should keep in touch with Shayon to sync with the main Portal efforts (to ensure overall consistency) #5 – Strengthen the Wiki team (Assignee: rhorstkoetter) We'll reach out to the Community with an announcement "why (good) documentation matters". We'd like to raise people's attention on the importance of good documentation to the sucess of the openSUSE project and the convenience of the end user. Jbrockmeier proposed to come up with a mentoring program for wiki editors/contributors. Petr proposed the adoption of OBS Junior Jobs to wiki tasks. We're in agreement that a Wiki Team Member should work in a moderating, supporting and mentoring capacity - at least that's the major task (besides actual wiki editing) Wiki Team Members should focus on. #6 – MediaWiki Extensions (Assignee: FSundermeyer, cboltz) FSundermeyer requested input on http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions – cboltz already started a discussion at opensuse-wiki ML. We certainly desire to maintain as less extensions as possible. FlaggedRevs (see #1) and Semantic MediaWiki are well-maintained and thus possible to implement. Please jump into the discussion started by cboltz. #7 – Templates (Assignee: Shayon, John) Kálmán proposed http://tinyurl.com/ycwx8cj as an approach to give an overview about available templates and we decided to adopt this for the main wiki. The Overview page will be linked from within the Guidelines (see #2). Shayon is responsible to review existing templates and sort them as proposed by Kálmán. We need to think about obsolete templates, desired templates, etc. John is interested and welcome to contribute here. Some of the major wiki contributor unfortunately haven't managed to join the Meeting and their efforts are certainly needed and appreciated. Please contact the respective assignees of topics to jump in and contribute. That certainly applies to EVERYONE interested – we need a LOT of helping hands to make the openSUSE wiki a better place (and finally achieve openSUSE world domination, smile). Every helping hand contributing to this usability concept (which is a HUGE task) counts and is very welcome to join the efforts. JFYI, I just updated http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Meetings and linked the Meeting transcript (thanks Shayon) and the agenda for archiving purposes and to give people the opportunity to review the Meeting (again). The minutes will be linked there as well asap. Thanks, Rupert -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Unable to update sv.opensuse.org
by Martin Nöjd 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place to inform you that sv.opensuse.org needs some update, I have mailed to webmaster(a)opensuse.org about a week ago and haven´t got any reply so far, so now I try the mailing list. The mainpage contains a box on the right side "Projektets milstolpar" (Project Milestone). This box contains information about the release of 10.3 an that seems to me to be a long time ago. The link in the box points to sv.opensuse.org/Roadmap and that page I have updated but I'm not authorized to change http://sv.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:Mainpagerightcolumn. What to do? Who to tell? And if someone can edit this page and need help with the translation feel free to contact me. /Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Promoting the Usability Concept for the openSUSE Wiki
by Rupert Horstkötter 04 Nov '09

04 Nov '09

Team, I decided to spread the word at News.o.o to raise the attention of people not subscribed to the wiki and booster MLs. My PR attempt is up at http://news.opensuse.org/2009/11/04/usability-concept-for-the-opensuse-wiki… Please rate this and support it! Thanks, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Portal, Templates -- ping Petr & Federico
by John E. Perry 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

Petr Uzel, Federico Quintero, We're supposed to work on portals and templates. Is this where we get together? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Invitation to tekom conference this week
by Juergen Weigert 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

Hello! Anybody interested in visiting the Tekom Jahrestagung in Wiesbaden this week? See http://www.tekom.de/conference The Conference will have workshops and speeches about technical writing and documentation: wiki, xml, english, and much more. http://www.tekom.de/tagung/vortrag.jsp?start=0 Novell sponsers conference membership-fee and hotel for two people for Wednesday and Thursday this week. Originally SUSE Doc team planned to attend with two people; I have one regret now, and would like to know, if anybody out there would want to join me on the conference. If you are interested, give me a call on Tuesday, and I'll try to change our booking. Sorry for the short notice, the opportunity just occured today. Please reply by PM or grab me at 0173-5876976 cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw(a)suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] ShoutBox! for openSUSE -
by Shayon 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

Hello, I guess openSUSE Wiki,needs a place where it could be able post reminders(not in openSUSE News) :) , tell others something on a Miscellaneous topic,etc. of same kind. And i feel a ShoutBox! - http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Test1 - is the perfect thing for it.As it can be well fitted in the http://en.opensuse.org , as well as on the User pages or Imp. articles. Currently the page can be termed as the base for the ShoutBox! ,but later on it can be advanced prior to importance( if agreed with the topic :) ). This useful tool will avoid over-flooding the topics with unnecessary content s(like the openSUSE new,as i told above) and help to make the coordination/organization easy. Well its just my personal opinion and an idea towards the openSUSE,specially for http://en.opensuse.org .Rest is upto you guys!! Comments and Feedback will be appreciated !! Best, Shayon -- openSUSE Wiki Team Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com Twitter: wwarl0ck -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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