October 2009

[opensuse-wiki] Portal, Templates -- ping Petr & Federico
by John E. Perry 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

Petr Uzel, Federico Quintero, We're supposed to work on portals and templates. Is this where we get together? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Mediawiki extensions
by Christian Boltz 31 Oct '09

31 Oct '09

Hello, after knowing too much at today^Wyesterday's wiki meeting ;-) I was asked to comment on the proposed mediawiki extensions that are listed on http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions Please note that my comments are mostly based on the documentation which is linked for each extension. Lots of my comments might sound too critical or even pessimistic - I hope those who proposed the extensions aren't too disapointed. Feel free to comment on this mail - maybe I just … [View More]overlooked something ;-) Extensions requested in/for the wiki: > Rating Extension > > That will allow rating of the articles on the wiki. Last release from 2007, marked as experimental. Well, that's what a test server is for ;-) If we want to have rating, there might be other extensions for this job. > Google Maps extension Could be a replacement for the external user map hosting. From my experience with hosting the map I'd say it needs testing on how it works with broken coordinates etc. ;-) > Extension:Tasks Extension and > Extension:IssueTracker Do we really need to make the wiki another (bug) tracking software? IMHO tracking tasks, issues or whatever name you give it is the perfect job for bugzilla. BTW: Using the wiki as tracker was already tried for the wishlists. Of course without a special extension, but still - it was quite horrible. > Extension:Bugzilla Reports > > BugzillaReports generates great looking reports from Bugzilla > which you can include in your MediaWiki pages (or in fact any > PHP application). The problem with this extension is that it needs direct access to the bugzilla database (at MySQL level) which probably is a no-go for bugzilla.novell.com. Having some type of bugzilla integration is a good idea nevertheless. I don't think we need "great looking reports", but having something better than {{bug|123456}} which includes the bug title and status would be nice. Maybe it could be built with bugzilla's XML or RSS export. > Extension:Nuke > Extension:CheckUser These two might be useful for admins (and those admins also know if they need them). > Extension:SimpleFeed > > This extension outputs the contents of an RSS feed. > * Extension:SimpleFeed AFAIK this extension is already installed in the current wiki. (Used for example in the "openSUSE news" box on the start page.) > Extension:WikiPDF > > WikiPDF is an extension for MediaWiki, which converts > MediaWiki-articles to LaTeX or PDF. Sounds like a nice feature. The question is if this is useful enough to be worth the server load... Besides that - the last release was in Oct 2007, and the CVS doesn't look better... > Extension:CategoryTree Good idea! > Extension:Lucene-search > > Lucene-search is a search engine designed to index and search > MediaWiki content on large websites. [...] Given that everybody complains about the search, this is a good idea for sure. Note that you'll also need the MWSearch extension. > Extension:Collection > > This extension makes it possible to collect a number of pages. > Collections can be edited, persisted and optionally retrieved > as PDF, ODF or DocBook (XML) This extension looks much better than WikiPDF that was proposed above. I still wonder if this functionality is worth the additional server load ;-) > Extension:FlaggedRevs > > This will make possible to control content that is displayed to > the wiki visitors. Needed if we decide to use it for QA. > Extension:ParserFunctions > > This extension is necessary to support Portal templates as used > in wikipedia. Use this to make hard to understand templates ;-) Seriously: if we need such complex templates, we also need this extension. That's the existing list. I'd like to request another useful feature. If you hit a non-existing page on the openSUSE wiki, you'll just get a "there is currently no text in this page" message. If you hit a non- existing page in wikipedia, you get a list of search results for the reuqested pagename - often they contain what you were searching for. Does someone know which extension and/or setting is doing this? Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ich brauchte ganz, ganz dringend einen Beweis, das ich zu blöd für die einfachsten Sachen bin, z.B. Email-Forwarden. Den habe ich ja nun - Danke für die Mithilfe. BOINK. BOINK. BOINK. BOINK... Die Passwörter poste ich dann morgen. Gnaaaaa! [Ratti in suse-linux] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org [View Less]

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[opensuse-wiki] Navbox templates in place now
by Federico Mena Quintero 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

After our brief discussion in the #opensuse-wiki meeting today, I wrote some documentation on how to write navigation boxes: http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Navboxes There is a chunk of example markup that you can cut&paste to create new navboxes. Both the GNOME and KDE navboxes already use that markup: http://en.opensuse.org/Template:GNOME_Navbox http://en.opensuse.org/Template:KDE_Navbox The markup can of course be tweaked for each different topic; other ones may certainly … [View More]

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[opensuse-wiki] Navbox templates
by Federico Mena Quintero 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

Hi, all, Based on the idea of Wikipedia's "navboxes", or navigation boxes that you see at the bottom of pages, I started doing a couple similar ones for our wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/Template:GNOME_Navbox http://en.opensuse.org/Template:KDE_Navbox I already included the GNOME one in a bunch of GNOME-related pages. I didn't do the same for the KDE one as, well, that's not really my territory and I'm not terribly familiar with the structure of KDE's pages. I do hope that the KDE team … [View More]

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] Navbox templates
by Rupert Horstkötter 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

Sorry, accidentally only replied to Kálmán... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Date: 2009/10/30 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Navbox templates To: Kálmán Kéménczy <kkemenczy(a)gmail.com> Kálmán, 2009/10/30 Kálmán Kéménczy <kkemenczy(a)gmail.com>: >>> Btw. Is there a place in the wiki that explains all the Templates? Not just >>> lists but also explains when and where to use them? >… [View More]

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki-Team IRC Meeting - Agenda
by Rupert Horstkötter 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

Team, here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities. Topics (sorted by importance) 1. QA process (+ Wiki Forum) FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach 2. Creation of Guidelines Content and volunteers to come up with a … [View More]

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[opensuse-wiki] Reminder: Wiki Team Meeting Friday October 30, 2009 at 17.00 UTC
by Rupert Horstkötter 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

Community, the openSUSE Wiki Team Meeting will take place on Friday, the 30th of October 2009 at 17.00 UTC. See all time zones on the Fixed Time World Clock - http://tinyurl.com/yhvmycg The meeting will be held in IRC on the #opensuse-wiki channel on Freenode. We’ll discuss the new usability concept for the openSUSE wiki. Everyone interested is welcome to join us. The agenda (working draft) is available at http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2009-10/msg00100.html Not familiar with IRC? … [View More]

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki-Team IRC Meeting
by Rupert Horstkötter 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

Team, I'd like to schedule our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on Friday, the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CEST. Considering the timezones of interested parties (US, Europe and India), CEST evening seems to be most appropriate here. Please, everyone, give a quick shout about your availability (to give me the possibility to re-schedule if needed). Find out your local time utilizing this sheet http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=30&month=10&year=2… … [View More]

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[opensuse-wiki] Collaboration with wiki.ubuntuusers.de?
by Rupert Horstkötter 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

Team, as most of you know: last friday, I interviewed Martin Gräßlin from ubuntuusers.de on IRC about their experiences with the maintainability of a sandboxing concept. They use such an approach successfully for their wiki and I was curious about some input. That said, today I got an email from ubuntuusers.de's march asking for collaboration between wiki.ubuntuusers.de and the openSUSE Wiki. Please see his email (and an english translation) below. >Hallo Rupert, >du hattest uns … [View More]kontaktiert bzgl. unseres Wikis und dem Baustellenkozept. Hier können wir uns sehr gerne einmal im IRC mit den >Teams treffen. Vielleicht kann man auch weitere tiefergehende Verknüpfungen auf die Wege bringen. Ich fand die Idee nicht >schlecht ein allgemeineres Wiki zu schaffen - es gibt logischerweise Unterschiede bei der Installation und der Konfiguration - >jedoch ist die Beschreibung der Programme identisch. So kann man sich gegenseitig untersützen und entweder die Artikel von A >nach B kopieren mit einem Hinweis, dass er ursprünglich von XY stammt. Hier wäre es natürlich einfacher, wenn wir gemeinsame >Schnittstellen hätten - was z.B. den Aufbau der Artikel, Syntax, die Lizenz et cetera betrifft. >Wir könnten zur Terminabsprache eine Umfrage bei Doodle starten, wenn ihr uns treffen wollt. Eine Kooperation wäre IMHO >machbar und eine gute Sache. :) >LG >march vom Wiki-Team ---english translation Rupert, you contacted us asking about our wiki and sandboxing concept. If you feel this appropriate we may meet on IRC with our respective teams at some point in time. Maybe we can discuss even further ways of collaboration-potential. We like the idea to profit from each other from a content perspective. Obviously there are differences in Installation and Configuration between Ubuntu and openSUSE but articles about the general use of applications may be just the same and can be utilized by both groups/communities. That way, we may collaborate by copying articles from A to B with a note that it is originated from Site XY. In that regard it may be valuable to have common ideas about e.g. structure, syntax, license etc. of articles. We may start a survey at Doodle to find an appropriate time/date for discussion with the teams on IRC. A collaboration would imho be achievable and a good thing. best, march, wiki team ---end english translation I'll reach out to march telling him that we'll discuss this collaboration-idea team-internal and come back to him once we have a team-opinion in place. I myself feel this as an opportunity we should consider. From my perspective he's right, that articles about the general usage of applications (like e.g. Thunderbird, Pidgin, etc.) may be easily adjustable and thus can be utilized by both communities. What do you think about it? Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org [View Less]

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] Role of templates in wiki organization
by Rupert Horstkötter 27 Oct '09

27 Oct '09

Accidentally sent to Rajko instead of the list. Here's a copy, sorry. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Date: 2009/10/27 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Role of templates in wiki organization To: "Rajko M." <rmatov101(a)charter.net> Rajko, 2009/10/27 Rajko M. <rmatov101(a)charter.net>: > On Monday 26 October 2009 05:26:45 Rupert Horstkötter wrote: >> Rajko, >> >> > The other types of … [View More]templates, could be example images with explanation >> > how to annotate details, videos with instructions how to take and edit >> > them. >> > >> > All that has to be integrated in "Article writing guidelines", or "Demo >> > video guides", and so on. >> >> Yeah, the article templates are the ones I was thinking about in >> context of the Guidelines. Thanks for making this clear. >> >> But ... we should also encourage the editors to use the wiki templates >> within created articles like e.g. "tested with openSUSE 11.0, 11.1, >> 11.2". > > There is template http://en.opensuse.org/Template:TestedOn > I has more deficiencies then good sides: > - it doesn't reveal much about prerequisites to succeed besides to have > installed certain released version, which is not much. IC where you're coming from. I thought about something like this http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki… If there are different prequisities for certain openSUSE versions we may introduce a subsection with version-specific extra-instructions. > - it is visually too noisy. If necessary to hang on badges on articles they > have to be much smaller, must have certain position that doesn't interfere > with article flow, and that is the same for all articles. > Aligned. I'd vote for the very top of an article as the position for the template. > There is http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Infobox_Software that may require > rework to include more information. If we have to have tested with then we > have to make similar template. > >> Furthermore, if we decide to use the FlaggedRevs Approach >> proposed by cboltz as our QA Process, the editor may place a wiki >> template "under construction/WIP" on top of the new article until a >> very first revision has been approved by the wiki staff. > > "Under Construction" is probably the most laughed out term on the web. > See http://www.cs.utah.edu/~gk/atwork/ > > We have this http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Cleanup-in-progress but it is > meant as temporary badge while someone is really working on the page, to > prevent midair collisions. It should not be forgotten as I did with > http://en.opensuse.org/ATI :( > We certainly don't have to call it "under construction". I just feel it appropriate to have a template in place for new articles (if we vote against the sandboxing approach) that notifies the user that the article he's currently reading isn't complete and/or verified and may contain errors, i.e. is under construction actually. > Actually it should not be used if editors have instructions how to rescue > their version when midair collision happens. > >> Thus also the >> usage of wiki templates should be explained within the Guidelines >> where appropriate. > > Yes it should :-) > (Just, as mentioned somewhere, to find how to squeeze more hours in a day) > >> Still on the same page? > > On templates it is easy to be on same page. > Most likely it is :-) Best, R >> Best, >> Rupert >> > > -- > Regards, Rajko > > OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team > People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org [View Less]

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