Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
Topics (sorted by importance)
1. QA process (+ Wiki Forum) FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach
2. Creation of Guidelines Content and volunteers to come up with a draft
3. Frontpage/Portal Input on Shayon/Rajko's work at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal and http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New
4. Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
5. Strenghten the Wiki team planned Reachout + other ideas?
6. Wiki-Projects Info-Provider: Federico Mena
7. Use of Templates Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use them - John?
As said earlier, please expand the list to your liking. I'll do the same until Friday, but this is what I can think of currently.
Thanks, Rupert
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
I'll be there, as well as other boosters, I believe.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- QA process (+ Wiki Forum)
FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach
- Creation of Guidelines
Content and volunteers to come up with a draft
- Frontpage/Portal
Input on Shayon/Rajko's work at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal and http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
- Strenghten the Wiki team
planned Reachout + other ideas?
- Wiki-Projects
Info-Provider: Federico Mena
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use them - John?
8. Use of wikipedia-like Portals http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2009-10/msg00004.html
Petr Uzel wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
I'll be there, as well as other boosters, I believe.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- QA process (+ Wiki Forum)
FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach
- Creation of Guidelines
Content and volunteers to come up with a draft
- Frontpage/Portal
Input on Shayon/Rajko's work at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal and http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
- Strenghten the Wiki team
planned Reachout + other ideas?
IMO - After all the major tasks have been decided (from the entire content),they should be distributed among the members / major contributor(s) in the required manner.So that each one will be aware of the work which is being carried out.
- Wiki-Projects
Info-Provider: Federico Mena
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use them - John?
- Use of wikipedia-like Portals
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2009-10/msg00004.html
9.List templates that needs more work to pick up more existing ones, and remove unused,-Rajko M (Currently in Progress http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Template_Messages_to_Review)
10.When to mark the Articles obsolete ? (ignore if already been discussed)
11.Focus on openSUSE:Checked Pages ( http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Checked_Pages )- Needs more volunteers
Sorry for the repeated mail,I forgot make a point. :) Petr Uzel wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
I'll be there, as well as other boosters, I believe.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- QA process (+ Wiki Forum)
FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach
- Creation of Guidelines
Content and volunteers to come up with a draft
- Frontpage/Portal
Input on Shayon/Rajko's work at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal and http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
- Strenghten the Wiki team
planned Reachout + other ideas?
IMO - After all the major tasks have been decided (from the entire content),they should be distributed among the members / major contributor(s) in the required manner.So that each one will be aware of the work which is being carried out and to get the work done effectively and efficiently ,
- Wiki-Projects
Info-Provider: Federico Mena
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use
them - John?
- Use of wikipedia-like Portals
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2009-10/msg00004.html
9.List templates that needs more work to pick up more existing ones, and remove unused,-Rajko M (Currently in Progress http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Template_Messages_to_Review)
10.When to mark the Articles obsolete ? (ignore if already been discussed)
11.Focus on openSUSE:Checked Pages ( http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Checked_Pages )- Needs more volunteers
Best Shayon,
Shayon,
2009/10/27 Shayon hkwarlock@gmail.com:
Sorry for the repeated mail,I forgot make a point. :) Petr Uzel wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
I'll be there, as well as other boosters, I believe.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- QA process (+ Wiki Forum)
FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach
- Creation of Guidelines
Content and volunteers to come up with a draft
- Frontpage/Portal
Input on Shayon/Rajko's work at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal and http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
- Strenghten the Wiki team
planned Reachout + other ideas?
IMO - After all the major tasks have been decided (from the entire content),they should be distributed among the members / major contributor(s) in the required manner.So that each one will be aware of the work which is being carried out and to get the work done effectively and efficiently ,
I'm completely on the same page here - thanks for making that clear. I hope to achieve the assignment of major tasks to contributors during the wiki meeting on Friday - at least I'd like to start doing so.
Best, R
- Wiki-Projects
Info-Provider: Federico Mena
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use
them - John?
- Use of wikipedia-like Portals
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2009-10/msg00004.html
9.List templates that needs more work to pick up more existing ones, and remove unused,-Rajko M (Currently in Progress http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Template_Messages_to_Review)
10.When to mark the Articles obsolete ? (ignore if already been discussed)
11.Focus on openSUSE:Checked Pages ( http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Checked_Pages )- Needs more volunteers
Best Shayon,
-- openSUSE Wiki Team Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com Email: hkwarlock@gmail.com
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Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Shayon,
2009/10/27 Shayon hkwarlock@gmail.com:
Sorry for the repeated mail,I forgot make a point. :) Petr Uzel wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
I'll be there, as well as other boosters, I believe.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- QA process (+ Wiki Forum)
FlaggedRevs VS sandboxing approach
- Creation of Guidelines
Content and volunteers to come up with a draft
- Frontpage/Portal
Input on Shayon/Rajko's work at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal and http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
- Strenghten the Wiki team
planned Reachout + other ideas?
IMO - After all the major tasks have been decided (from the entire content),they should be distributed among the members / major contributor(s) in the required manner.So that each one will be aware of the work which is being carried out and to get the work done effectively and efficiently ,
I'm completely on the same page here - thanks for making that clear. I hope to achieve the assignment of major tasks to contributors during the wiki meeting on Friday - at least I'd like to start doing so.
Surely ! :) .And i suppose its not a cup of tea of a single person,so if you require any kind of help regarding the matter(s) just let everyone us know(just to minimize the work load).
Best, R
- Wiki-Projects
Info-Provider: Federico Mena
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use
them - John?
- Use of wikipedia-like Portals
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2009-10/msg00004.html
9.List templates that needs more work to pick up more existing ones, and remove unused,-Rajko M (Currently in Progress http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Template_Messages_to_Review)
10.When to mark the Articles obsolete ? (ignore if already been discussed)
11.Focus on openSUSE:Checked Pages ( http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Checked_Pages )- Needs more volunteers
Best Shayon,
-- openSUSE Wiki Team Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com Email: hkwarlock@gmail.com
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Best, Shayon
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 20:19:18 Shayon wrote:
Hi,
unfortunately I will not be able to join the meeting, so here are some additional information that might be useful:
0. MediaWiki Upgrade Good new on this front: The staging server is finally up and running (it took some time to adjust the iChain plugin). However, we decided to wait until after the 11.2 launch to go live. We will use the eytra time for more testing and move the system to more powerful hardware and SLES 11.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
With the new MediaWiki in staging, this is the perfect time to install new extensions. There currentlky is a list of requested extensions at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions
I am not sure whether all of them are needed, so this might be something worth discussing.
From an administration standpoint, I would like to keep the number of extensions to an absolute _minimum_. Each extension might add potential security holes and makes updating the wiki more difficult.
As for the Semantic MediaWiki and FalggedRevs Extensions: I haven't digged too deep into the documentation of these extensions, but I think they both require to rw databse access. We should be absolutely sure we need and want any extension that writes into the wiki database, because I guess it will be difficult getting rid of such an extension. We also need to make sure that such an extension is well maintained (this seems to be tha case with both extensions mentioned above), otherwise this might lead to a Wiki that is not upgradeable anymore.
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use
them - John?
My biggest problem with templates is how to know which ones exist and how to find them. We need to categorize and document them.
Frank,
2009/10/30 Frank Sundermeyer fs@suse.de:
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 20:19:18 Shayon wrote:
Hi,
unfortunately I will not be able to join the meeting, so here are some additional information that might be useful:
- MediaWiki Upgrade
Good new on this front: The staging server is finally up and running (it took some time to adjust the iChain plugin). However, we decided to wait until after the 11.2 launch to go live. We will use the eytra time for more testing and move the system to more powerful hardware and SLES 11.
Awesome, thanks for the update.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
here is the agenda for our first Wiki-Team IRC Meeting about the Wiki-Concept on the 30th of October 2009 at 6pm CET. The agenda is to be seen as a working draft - so, please add topics you feel appropriate. Hint: It would be desirable to have at least one "Booster" in the meeting to talk about collaboration possibilities.
Topics (sorted by importance)
- Semantic MediaWiki and technical achievability of MediaWiki
Extensions (also: FlaggedRevs) Info-Provider: FSundermeyer
With the new MediaWiki in staging, this is the perfect time to install new extensions. There currentlky is a list of requested extensions at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions
I am not sure whether all of them are needed, so this might be something worth discussing.
We'll discuss this during the Meeting this evening. The MediaWiki extensions are anyway an agenda topic already - thanks for the overview at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions.
From an administration standpoint, I would like to keep the number of extensions to an absolute _minimum_. Each extension might add potential security holes and makes updating the wiki more difficult.
I completely understand.
As for the Semantic MediaWiki and FalggedRevs Extensions: I haven't digged too deep into the documentation of these extensions, but I think they both require to rw databse access. We should be absolutely sure we need and want any extension that writes into the wiki database, because I guess it will be difficult getting rid of such an extension. We also need to make sure that such an extension is well maintained (this seems to be tha case with both extensions mentioned above), otherwise this might lead to a Wiki that is not upgradeable anymore.
FlaggedRevs may become the flagship of our new QA process, so this extension would be urgently required if we decide to neglect the sandboxing approach. The Semantic MediaWiki extension is from my perspective a good thing, i.e. desirable. If we may achieve better searchability using another approach I'm fine with this as well (Google integration) - this needs discussion. As you're the initial requester of the Semantic MediaWiki extension and due to the fact that you're not able to attend the meeting I'd propose to start a ML discussion after the meeting about that particular point.
- Use of Templates
Volunteers to review existing ones, create new ones, how to use
them - John?
My biggest problem with templates is how to know which ones exist and how to find them. We need to categorize and document them.
Aligned! I plan to introduce an explanation of certain wiki-templates within the Usage Guidelines we'd like to come up with. The Usage of ALL templates may be described at a seperate page linked from within the Guidelines (and this is certainly desirable/important) +1
Best, R
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Hello,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:21:41PM +0100, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
My biggest problem with templates is how to know which ones exist and how to find them.
Is this what you are looking for? http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&name...
We need to categorize and document them.
It seems that mediawiki-1.15 provides additional special pages that could help with cleaning and organizing the templates: * unused templates * wanted templates * uncategorized templates * most linked-to templates ...
see http://enstage.opensuse.org/Special:SpecialPages
Petr,
2009/10/30 Petr Uzel petr.uzel@suse.cz:
Hello,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:21:41PM +0100, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
My biggest problem with templates is how to know which ones exist and how to find them.
Is this what you are looking for? http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&name...
Oh my god - that's what I'd call usability chaos :-)
We need to categorize and document them.
It seems that mediawiki-1.15 provides additional special pages that could help with cleaning and organizing the templates:
- unused templates
- wanted templates
- uncategorized templates
- most linked-to templates
...
Is http://enstage.opensuse.org/ available to the outside? I get a timeout here.
Best, R
-- Best regards / s pozdravem
Petr Uzel, openSUSE Boosters Team
SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: puzel@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 http://www.suse.cz 190 00 Prague 9, CR
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:51:56PM +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Petr,
2009/10/30 Petr Uzel petr.uzel@suse.cz:
Hello,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:21:41PM +0100, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
My biggest problem with templates is how to know which ones exist and how to find them.
Is this what you are looking for? http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&name...
Oh my god - that's what I'd call usability chaos :-)
We need to categorize and document them.
It seems that mediawiki-1.15 provides additional special pages that could help with cleaning and organizing the templates:
- unused templates
- wanted templates
- uncategorized templates
- most linked-to templates
...
Is http://enstage.opensuse.org/ available to the outside? I get a timeout here.
You're right - it's probably internal :( Sorry, I had no idea.
Check out this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Petr,
2009/10/30 Petr Uzel petr.uzel@suse.cz:
Hello,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:21:41PM +0100, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
My biggest problem with templates is how to know which ones exist and how to find them.
Is this what you are looking for? http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&name...
Oh my god - that's what I'd call usability chaos :-)
lol :).In order to overcome that (to some extent) an initiative has been taken by Rajko M, -
Templates review - http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Template_Messages_to_Review
We need to categorize and document them.
It seems that mediawiki-1.15 provides additional special pages that could help with cleaning and organizing the templates:
- unused templates
- wanted templates
- uncategorized templates
- most linked-to templates
...
Is http://enstage.opensuse.org/ available to the outside? I get a timeout here.
Best, R
-- Best regards / s pozdravem
Petr Uzel, openSUSE Boosters Team
SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: puzel@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 http://www.suse.cz 190 00 Prague 9, CR
Best, Shayon
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