May 2006 - openSUSE Wiki - openSUSE Mailing Lists

is-translation Documentation
by Orn E. Hansen 13 May '06

13 May '06

The translation of the "minimal" documentation into Icelandic is finished. As well as the update of the documents after the release of 10.1

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wiki. obviously.
by Marcus Rueckert 13 May '06

13 May '06

hi, the wiki should be stable again. :) darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org

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please adjust summer of code text on frontpage
by Marcus Meissner 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi, If you are mentioning Summer of Code on the frontpage of your localized wiki, please adjust it so that it reads that we no longer accept applications, but that they are currently being evaluated. The frontpage of en.opensuse.org already is adjusted ;) Ciao, Marcus

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JA pages are ready for 10.1
by noniko 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi, everyone. It's Saturday morning in Japan. I have just renewed JA pages for downloading 10.1. Also JA-Making_a_DVD_from_CDs for the new version. I'm glad to enable Japanese users to spend the weekend getting 10.1 isos and making a DVD from them. -- noniko noniko(a)netbeans.jp Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch)

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wiki improvements
by Andreas 11 May '06

11 May '06

I was wondering if some improvements in the "handling" and the layout structure of the wiki can be made: * email-notification: is it possible to add an option to get an email alert when a page on my watch list is changed/deleted/moved etc.? * Category-Layout: I noticed that there is a huge vertical gap that makes the page look like it's actually an empty template. Of course once you know that it's not empty, you can just scroll down, but occasional visitors will get frustrated and leave before they even find out. Here's an example: [http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Configuration] * Language-bar(s): Is it possible to merge the "This page in [list of languages]" Box on the right and the "Other Languages" section in the left menu box to something less obtrusive? On some pages, like [http://en.opensuse.org/Translation_Team], the right language box interferes with the text (at least in Konqueror. Firefox renders it different). And instead of having even more languages permanently listed in the left menu box, something like a dropdown-menu with all the available translations would be better. * Internal links: Another thing I noticed about the left menu box: The actual Information for users ("Use SUSE Linux") holds three links (of which "Documentation" and "Support Database" should imho be merged anyway). The other links add up to a total of 18 plus the languages. Can't that be drastically reduced? These are the things I noticed so far, but I'm sure I can come up with more suggestions if you're interested ;) -- Gruß Andreas

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new features page
by Graham Anderson 10 May '06

10 May '06

Apart from the usual release notes and product description from AJ et all, is it worthwhile compiling a list of new groovy stuff in 10.1 for the wiki ? If we had a 'New in 10.1' page listing all the 'cool stuff' it would be a nice URL to point friends, bloggers, journalists at... good idea or bad? Cheers G

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front page
by jdd 10 May '06

10 May '06

may be we should have such a page for the wiki itself (adapted, of course)? jdd http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Navigation -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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RCS for wiki?
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 10 May '06

10 May '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 think this would help to recover a wiki page should there be a breakin or diliber damage. I know that some websites are under RCS. It makes it easier to return a page to a previous version should the un-think-able happen? - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEYXwDVtBjDid73eYRAthOAJ0SBNychj02YKYIckWAOdG4+V4VNQCfSi5T IrV1XfnKxEmpGL7kVSxbtks= =l/lu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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MediaWiki: update 1.6 About
by Tora Toraman 09 May '06

09 May '06

Hello, MediaWiki: When will you update to version 1.6? It could be very helpful for the other languages. King regards. King Regards, -- Tora Toraman Manager/Admin SuSE Linux OS Turkıye www.suse-tr.com www.linuxcareer.net

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call for a full time "en" sysop
by jdd 09 May '06

09 May '06

It may be simpler for me to write this because I can't be a candidate :-) I think we should have a full time english-wiki sysop. Full time don't mean he will spend all his time on the wiki, but that the wiki will be his first concern. and sysop mean he will have to make strategic changes, organisation ones, not than he should have to write the wiki himself, of course. http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Welcome_to_openSUSE.org&action=histo… shows that several people share the front page update. this is probably not the better way for consistency and we know they have also very sharp work do do on the distribution itself. I don't care if the sysop is Novell or voluntary, but I would like to know his name. I think also than it's his responsability, aftyer all kinds of discussions, to make the necessary changes. specially on the blocked pages, he is the only who can do it. we are simply not enough, here, to speak of democracy or votes. We don't represent anybody than ourselves. of course, Novell can (must) keep the css control. the main point is than we need a referee :-). On my concern, it's better to have a consistent layout, even if I don't like it (and why should I don't like it :-), than as many layouts as pages... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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who are the wiki sysops?
by jdd 09 May '06

09 May '06

Please, wiki sysops, identify yourself here :-))) may be we could share... http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team#Interwiki_sysops thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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Slovak translation of opensuse.org
by Jozef Peterka 09 May '06

09 May '06

Hi all, I am writing the e-mail based on opensuse.org translation_guide. I would like to translate opensuse.org to Slovak language. I would appreciate some tips, guides etc. Jozef Peterka AKA Kai

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Wiki needs help...
by Peter Flodin 09 May '06

09 May '06

As we all know and many complain about, the wiki is quite hard to find things in. This also hinders contribution, because if you can't find something in a disorganised mess, for one you are not even sure what to contribute, as it hard to figure out what is missing or where to put it, and new contributors are unlikely to radicly change the structure to fix it. The frontpage is also a hard thing to start on, and like makeup, it can only hide so much of what is underneath. So it is up to us, and now is as good a time as any to get the wiki into shape, with some structure and clarity. The most important sections (I believe) are downloads and documentation. I have started with http:\\en.opensuse.org\documentation and will continue on each major section linked to from that page, I have already done some reconstruction and moved some pages. A good page for anybody to help is the page http://en.opensuse.org/Howtos You can simply find Howto type articles currently in the wiki and link to them in the correct section, or because it is wiki, create links to howto articles that should exist. It might be enough to spur someone into writing a new article. So join in and help, offer feedback...be constructive. Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin.

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Desktop Customization Tips
by noniko 09 May '06

09 May '06

Hi, everyone. Last autumn, to celebrate SUSE 10.0, I created a Document titled "Desktop Cutomization Tips". Today, to celebrate 10.1, I have editted this page. http://en.opensuse.org/Desktop_Customization_Tips I would like to have any technical or grammatical advice on it, or have it editted directly, or have someone to translate it into Japanese ;) -- noniko noniko(a)netbeans.jp Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch)

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MediaWiki: update 1.6 About
by Tora Toraman 08 May '06

08 May '06

Hello, MediaWiki: When will you update to version 1.6? It could be very helpful for the other languages. King regards. King Regards, -- Tora Toraman Manager/Admin SuSE Linux OS Turkıye www.suse-tr.com www.linuxcareer.net

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front page redesign - localized wikis main page - center of page
by jdd 07 May '06

07 May '06

==upper place (definition)== may be we could add a green back screen to make it a bridge between sidebar and right column - this definition should also be made shorter - there is the "overview" part for the details ==center place== may we keep download and bugreport here? there are always Two others links for this on the page. If we keep them, we should make them smaller. they are already nearly invisible, on the worst screen place :-) An image of the stable release should be in the middle and one or two major info is a good idea. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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front page redesign - localized wikis main page - right column
by jdd 07 May '06

07 May '06

the right column looks nice for me, no need to change howaver we need a sort of source for more locals info, may be a forth part, at the bottom (local news?), but only if we can find info to set in it :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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front page redesign - localized wikis main page - sidebar
by jdd 07 May '06

07 May '06

==Sidebar== The sidebar has two parts we can't really play with: tool box and others langages. we must limit the ohers menu entries to sgnificant ones (remember: keep it simple) the french wiki: http://fr.opensuse.org/Bienvenue_sur_openSUSE.org gives an idea of what I propose. but it's not that good. "page de garde" is "home page", the link to the front page it self. don"t forget the sidebar is always there, on the left, even on the others pages. Opensuse is the first place, as was suggested by somebody else. I don' see why add "about" in front of "opensuse" "vue d'ensemble" is "project overwiev" - adding project made the french line too long, that is why I didn't made it. Participate may need a more important place, but better in the center place than on the sidebar, it needs not be in all pages. Use is an important place; mainly download, documentation and contacts. I don't see any reason to have SDB different than documentation and in contacts there are all the kinds of contacts (mailing lists, forums...) there is no need for news or roadmap here, they have all a column on the right for themselves jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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front page redesign - localized wikis main page
by jdd 07 May '06

07 May '06

Before giving contents, I propose we think of the layout. The use of the wiki already gave us an initial layout: *upper left logo *personnal links (of login prompt) *bottom edits line we _can_ change this, but it's probably not a good idea. then the actual layout is pretty confusing. Did you notice the upper right menu bar? my stupid I did not! So we have download at top, on left, on center bottom... it's important, I know, but isn't it too much? Looking at the page, I see for more significant places we can play with. * sidebar/left menu column * right column * "head", that is page title and Novell/opensuse definition * middle of the page. This middle is now divided on two: permanent bug/download links and transient news. ==overall size== we should try to limit oveall size to 800x600. This size is readable (given browser resizing) even with an old 640x480 screen. Most users have greater screens but use browsers in a window, not full screen. This size is not an absolute rule, just a target jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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front page redesign - the HUB (opensuse.org)
by jdd 07 May '06

07 May '06

I really think your are right saying we must go ahead on this subject, so I will try to separate it on smaller chunks :-) The first thing we _must_ do is a "hub" page, viewable on "opensuse.org" (without any "en", "fr"...). We need this badly because our goal of making an international distribution, with multiples localized wikis make us need a single page common to the whole community, given anywhere as reference, and this cannot be the english page. * we need to make simple (always make simple should be the main rule :-). So I propose the HUB page to be One image with around it one clickable place for each local wiki. can we agree with this first point? * this central image should be simply the opensuse logo, the one you can see in the upper left corner of any page, just resized with full definition to be visible (we can't just enlarge the icon) * the total screen size should be 640x480. We don't really need more for a hub and this should accomodate each and any world computer. Think to make a usable equivallent for non graphics browsers and disabled peoples. * what to use as back images for localized wikis is more difficult. The simpler way is flags. I understand this is sometime a problem, but I fail to find a better way. flags are internationally known, not lizards :-). I can see a Japanese flag and see there is a japanese wiki, a dragon with criptics (for me) symbols in it is not good. this pages is also an advertisement of how international SUSE is :-) your feeling? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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Wiki Translation About?
by Tora Toraman 07 May '06

07 May '06

Dear Friends, l would like to know if we have possibility to see the translation statistics in wiki. For example, the percentage of the ones translated to Turkish or to Germany. Tora Toraman

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Re: WELCOME to opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org
by Tora Toraman 05 May '06

05 May '06

Dear friends, l would like to know if we have possibility to see the translation statistics in wiki. For example, the percentage of the ones translated to Turkish or to Germany. Best Regards, -- Tora Toraman Manager/Admin SuSE Linux OS Turkıye www.suse-tr.com www.linuxcareer.net

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front page redesign
by jdd 04 May '06

04 May '06

Hello, I have made a quite significative -still not so visible- change to the front page at http://fr.opensuse.org. The french page being much less seen than the english one, it's a good place to test (I already asked the users they advice, will see the answer-and yours, I can go back). to summarise, I don't change anything in the layout. the goal was to make the hole page fit in 800x600 screen I reduce the number of sidebar entries (and reworked accordingly the content of the menu pages). I also add an image of the 10.1 box in the upcomming events place :-) I also decided not to quote any other langage wiki in my pages (for example the IW template-interwiki links), because I'm unable to follow the growth of the wiki number, and I don't read some of these strange pages (strange for me, of course). On the contrary I quote the english page and I set on the french front page an info box advertising the fact that many new wikis exists. Note that on the right part of the screen, I only report things having a meaning for french readers. I think more and more than an important part of the community work can only made in english and so on the english wiki. it's of little use to translate all the pages on build system, bugzilla stuff or development participation, because nobody who don't at least read english can participate to these things. Localised wikis are very good for beginners, end user documentation, tips and tricks,download... and to speak bask about front page, I really would like to have a wikipedia like main page for all wikis (with all these little flags on a nice lizard), but I'm definitively NOT an artmaker, sorry :-))) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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IW template and links to the Czech wiki
by Jakub Friedl 02 May '06

02 May '06

IW template at English wiki links to http://cZ.opensuse.org/... instead of http://cS.opensuse.org/... This is a problem because although http://cz.opensuse.org is an alias for http://cs.opensuse.org, it redirects always to the fronpage, not the correct page. Please make IW link to cs... insead of cz... for the Czech language. Keeping the full path when redirecting from cz to cs would be nice too. I do not have enough privilegies to fix that myself. Thank you. -- Jakub Friedl

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links to wikipedia.org
by Jakub Friedl 02 May '06

02 May '06

Hi, what is the trick behind links to wikipedia.org (e.g. [[Wikipedia:OpenglOpenGL]])? They work in English opensuse wiki but not in the Czech wiki. I am not sure how to enable them. -- Jakub Friedl

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