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[opensuse-wiki] Boletín 135 de las Noticias Semanales de openSUSE en Español
by Marco ''AlpVonKri'' Flores 08 Aug '10

08 Aug '10

El boletín 135 de las Noticias Semanales de openSUSE en Español está listo para ser traducido. ¡Únete al equipo! +Info http://bit.ly/9uhtmN Saludos. -- Marco "AlpVonKri" Flores Computer Systems Engineer Ing. Sistemas Computacionales http://www.alpvonkri.co.cc alpvonkri(a)alpvonkri.co.cc openSUSE Member ~ Ambassador ~ Weekly News Miembro ~ Embajador ~ Noticias Semanales http://wiki.opensuse.org/User:Alpvonkri alpvonkri(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Fix for Session Data Lost Error
by Matthew Ehle 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

>>>> Thomas Schmidt 08/07/10 10:43 AM >>> >On 08/07/2010 05:56 AM, Matthew Ehle wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I have rolled a fix for Bug 619735 to the production wiki. I have provided details about the problem and solution there, but here's the short of it: >> >> PHP requires session_start() to be called before any session data can be saved. The javascript login only passes login information to iChain and never explicitly calls the MediaWiki login, where the >> session_start() function is called. Thus, when using the javascript login, no session is started, and no session data is saved. Editing a page also calls session_start(), which is why it starts >> working after trying it one time. >> >> I added a session_start() call in the automatic iChain login script, and I have not been able to duplicate the problem on stage since. As this appears to solve the problem, I have moved it out to the >> live wiki. Please test it out and report any issues to me. If I don't hear anything over the weekend, I'll close the bug out on Monday. >> >> In addition to the fix, the latest deployment also contains the code for email validation. It won't do anything until it is provided certain header information by iChain, which should be set up to do >> that on Monday morning. > >Cool, thanks Matthew for finding this nasty bug! No problem! Looks like I was a little hasty in trying to blame this on your login form (I'm assuming that you were involved in its development). It actually works really well, aside from originally sending passwords in plain text ;) Actually, I think a lot of the random login/session problems that have been reported in the forums were because of this long-standing bug. The javascript login only made it more apparent, so it turned out to be quite a good thing!

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[opensuse-wiki] Fix for Session Data Lost Error
by Matthew Ehle 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

Hello Everyone, I have rolled a fix for Bug 619735 to the production wiki. I have provided details about the problem and solution there, but here's the short of it: PHP requires session_start() to be called before any session data can be saved. The javascript login only passes login information to iChain and never explicitly calls the MediaWiki login, where the session_start() function is called. Thus, when using the javascript login, no session is started, and no session data is saved. Editing a page also calls session_start(), which is why it starts working after trying it one time. I added a session_start() call in the automatic iChain login script, and I have not been able to duplicate the problem on stage since. As this appears to solve the problem, I have moved it out to the live wiki. Please test it out and report any issues to me. If I don't hear anything over the weekend, I'll close the bug out on Monday. In addition to the fix, the latest deployment also contains the code for email validation. It won't do anything until it is provided certain header information by iChain, which should be set up to do that on Monday morning.

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[opensuse-wiki] Redundant namespaces, in particular openSUSE:
by Brandon Philips 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

Hello All and Everyone- Today, I wish to talk about redundancy. In particular things that add no new information and are a simple rearrangement of the understood data. In other words: repetitiveness for no-gain at all. Problem ------- I was trying to point a community member at the Kernel Git page today so they could get involved. But I was baffled to find it gone. Searching a bit I ended up finding it at this URL: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_git Two openSUSE's in one URL, what a deal! Without that openSUSE: namespace I might have thought I was going to grab the Ubuntu Kernel Git... As we are breaking URLs all over with this new wiki anyways can we take a moment and consider the URL monsters we are creating here? Just look at it once again: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_git There has got to be something better, lets find a solution. :) Solution -------- Lets look at the mission statement of the openSUSE: namespace[1]: "And the openSUSE community's openSUSE: namespace to collaboratively write on documentation for their projects and teams." Possible alternatives: 0. No namespace at all, the openSUSE community exists at openSUSE.org! We have an entire domain to call our own! Why do we need a namespace? 1. devel: ? Oh, but these teams are not necessarily developers 2. teams: ? Erm, no because then it would be teams:Kernel_git which makes no sense 3. community: ? Maybe, but community:Java packaging cookbook looks strange 4. project: ? This is my second choice as nearly all of the links on http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Project are to the openSUSE: namespace... 1-4 have their problems but at least they are not redundant. Lets discuss what problem this openSUSE: namespace is trying to solve and how we can make sane looking URLs on our new wiki. And lets do it fast so we can avoid breaking URLs again. Cheers, Brandon [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki/Concept -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] "Terms of site" for other languages
by pistazienfresser (see profile) 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Help:Translation&curid=4820&diff=2… " + |[[Terms of site]] + |Please add the following header translated into your language: <nowiki>{{Info|This is an translation of the [[en:Terms_of_site|openSUSE Terms of site]] into '''LANGUAGE'''. It does not legally state terms for these pages—only the original English text of the Terms of site do that. However, we hope that this translation will help language speakers understand the Terms of site better.}}</nowiki>" As legal terms are not congruent in other languages and nether are the legal systems based on that languages - this is not a task for a person without an education in legal issues. And I doubt that such a person (if not very stupid and so not the best choice to do it at all) will do that without the security of a paid insurance and/or something that assures he/or she is free of liability according to the legal system he/she (and probably also the users and contributors of the wiki in that language) lives in. And maybe someone professional should also examine which terms of that standard form contract would be binding in the legal systems the contributors and the users would probably live in. Regards pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] A Couple of Wiki Items
by Matthew Ehle 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

>>> "Rajko M." 08/04/10 9:56 PM >>> >On Wednesday 04 August 2010 14:53:24 Matthew Ehle wrote: >> Another alternative is to simply redirect users straight to the email >> validation page. What does everyone think? >That should be the best case. The only problem I would have with that is that there is no explanation given as to why all of a sudden users are being sent to validate their email. I know, the page is pretty self-explanatory, but you know what happens when you assume anything out of the end user ;) >The only problem can be with the forums.o.o users. >Do they validate email when subscribe to forums, or they use some equally >efficient method to prevent creation of fake accounts? Not currently, but soon. I am actually working with the forum admin, and he has a very similar bug open on the openSUSE forums. We are test driving the email validation solution on the wiki, and assuming it works, we will be doing the same thing on the forums.

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] accreditation
by Matthew Ehle 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

>>> Henne Vogelsang 08/05/10 4:28 AM >>> >Hey, >On 05.08.2010 11:22, Matthew Ehle wrote: >>>>> C 08/05/10 12:00 AM >>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 06:05, Rajko M. wrote: >>> On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote: >>> >>>> I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that >>>> I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm >>>> packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses >>>> all trace of me. >>> >>> The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. >>> So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to >> transfer >>> LXC. >>> >>> Maybe Matthew can increase that limit? >> >> I think there's a problem with your XML file if it's that big. An XML >> dump of the entire wiki comes out to about 11 MB, and as detailed as >> that article is, I don't see it being 1/3 of the wiki : ) >> >> I exported the LXC article just now, and it came out to about 25 Kb. > >You did not export the complete history (all revisions) :) *facepalm* That's why I shouldn't send email at 3 A.M. ;) >>>It's a fairly simple tweak to up the Wiki upload limit.... and for >>>what it's worth, I'm 100% behind Brian on this one. One of the key >>>factors in opensource contributions and virtually every single OS >>>license... be it CC, GPL etc. all require accreditation for the >>>contributors (it's not optional).... baffles me why people think it's >>>ok to simply lose all the edit history on the Wiki. :-( That's very >>>much against one of the core requirements and principles of open >>>source contributions. >> >> Yep, it's just a couple entries in the php.ini file. If you guys really >> want, I can up that limit a bit with no problem. >Please up it to 4MB Done.

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[opensuse-wiki] accreditation
by Brian K. White 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me. It's almost time to do it all again for a new version of lxc which is significantly different from the currently documented 0.6.5 so it's almost the same research and testing and optimization all over again, and this latest discovery just adds to the already existing disinclination to invest in this wiki. In my "copious free time" I guess I'll look in to what it takes to transfer an article with it's history & metadata from the old wiki.. No I don't want my name plastered in the article itself or anything gross like that in overreaction. It's not like that. The normal built in edit history was perfectly acceptable. Exactly the right level of visibility. But, since that's all there was in the way of accreditation for work, it's pretty bad to erase it I think. It makes me rethink the choice not to just write up internal company docs which would be a lot more convenient, would not move, could be filled with internal company-specific stuff, and which would be more useful for me and useless to anyone else. I hear you guys about how bad the old wiki was and how much more sane the new one should eventually be, so I'm no longer disregarding the work and eventual benefit, but I am requesting that you at least pretend to be a little more understanding of just how much and how bad fallout this move caused, or rather how this move was performed. Even if we _are_ just a bunch of whiners and complainers, instead of people with legitimate grievances, does it make a difference? Do you or do you not want contributors? Do you suppose the people who do not care about such things as broken links and lost accreditation are the more quality contributors and the ones who do care about these things and so avoid this wiki are the crappy ones you don't want anyways? -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Fwd: [opensuse-project] A proposition regarding wiki.opensuse.org
by pistazienfresser (see profile) 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

F.Y.I. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [opensuse-project] A proposition regarding wiki.opensuse.org Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:04:54 +0000 From: Ann Price <ann.price(a)topspot-promotions.net> To: <opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org> Hello, Topspot-Promotions, an established advertising company, would like to pay you for placing a small advertisement on wiki.opensuse.org for one of our clients. These days we are using a few methods of advertising to guarantee that the ad we choose will fit the site nicely. After reviewing your website I thought about an advertisement that fits perfectly a few pages on your website. For full details please contact me at ann.price(a)topspot-promotions.net. *If you have other websites which I can review for advertising please send me their URLs as well. Kind Regards, Ann Price Advertising Specialist ann.price(a)topspot-promotions.net To permanently delete yourself from our list, simply reply to this with a blank email and you will never receive any communication from us in the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] accreditation
by Matthew Ehle 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

>>> C 08/05/10 12:00 AM >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 06:05, Rajko M. wrote: > On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote: > >> I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that >> I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm >> packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses >> all trace of me. > > The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. > So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to transfer > LXC. > > Maybe Matthew can increase that limit? I think there's a problem with your XML file if it's that big. An XML dump of the entire wiki comes out to about 11 MB, and as detailed as that article is, I don't see it being 1/3 of the wiki : ) I exported the LXC article just now, and it came out to about 25 Kb. >It's a fairly simple tweak to up the Wiki upload limit.... and for >what it's worth, I'm 100% behind Brian on this one. One of the key >factors in opensource contributions and virtually every single OS >license... be it CC, GPL etc. all require accreditation for the >contributors (it's not optional).... baffles me why people think it's >ok to simply lose all the edit history on the Wiki. :-( That's very >much against one of the core requirements and principles of open >source contributions. Yep, it's just a couple entries in the php.ini file. If you guys really want, I can up that limit a bit with no problem. However, there really should be no reason to do it. As I mentioned above, you would have to be pretty much importing an entire namespace to get above that 2 MB limit. I am also with Brian on this. Do we have any other articles that are in a similar situation? I suggest that we find them and either try to import their history or make a mention of the original contributor(s) in the article itself. The latter is easier and it seems like a nice gesture, but I'm not too sure how to fit it in without breaking the flow of the article itself. Maybe in the info boxes?

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[opensuse-wiki] A Couple of Wiki Items
by Matthew Ehle 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

Here are a couple of items that I wanted to update you on from my perspective: Spam- After some research, I found that there is an entitlement give to users who validate their email address at https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/protected/validateEmail.jsp. This is the same entitlement required for Bugzilla users. I am working with our iChain admin to get entitlement information passed to the wiki, and then having our login script check for that entitlement. If the user has the entitlement, then the login will continue as usual. If the user does not have the entitlement, the wiki will stop the login and redirect the user to some other page. Since there are probably a number of legitimate users who have not validated their email address, I thought it would be nice if they were taken to a page explaining the new policy and containing a link to the validate email page listed above. I have asked Thomas Schmidt to design such a page to be put somewhere on www.opensuse.org to accomplish this. However, now that I think about it, a better alternative might be to create a wiki page with the explanation and then redirect users there. Another alternative is to simply redirect users straight to the email validation page. What does everyone think? If we were to create a page on the wiki, what would be the best namespace for it? By the way, the bug information can be found at https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627446 Search- In addition to http://en.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:GoogleSearch, I have been experimenting with Lucene search, and I have installed it on http://enstage.opensuse.org as a replacement for the default search. So far, it looks really good. Pretty soon, we should be able to have the staging server upgraded, after which I will install the newest version of the Lucene MW search. This version will have much better features. Stay tuned on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=625677 for updates. That's about it for now. Let me know if there is anything else! -Matt

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[opensuse-wiki] A Wiki Q&A?
by Bryen M. Yunashko 04 Aug '10

04 Aug '10

Is there any possibility of considering holding a Q&A session in the -Project channel to do a live quick how-to of *WHERE* to create pages on the new wiki? I am still quite confused by the way pages are created now that we no longer have a new structure. And others are too. Maybe a nice 1/2 hour session sometime within the next week would be helpful as its a barrier right now for me to do my work and know where things belong properly. I think if even just a few people show up for your wondrous lesson, that would be empowering because it will allow those of us who go to then be able to spread the word to others who have questions. Thanks! Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Page Nonefound
by Rajko M. 04 Aug '10

04 Aug '10

Does InputBox work in MediaWiki namespace? It seems yes, but I didn't want to change current page before I hear opinions. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Noarticletext page can be improved
by Rajko M. 04 Aug '10

04 Aug '10

Compare: http://wiki.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:Noarticletext http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Noarticletext Opinions? -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Blocking users
by Rajko M. 03 Aug '10

03 Aug '10

Do we have solved issue with blocking IP when user name is blocked? -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Download help on the download page
by Thomas Schmidt 03 Aug '10

03 Aug '10

On 15.07.2010 12:21, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > On 2010-07-15 12:12:56 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote: >> On 14.07.2010 23:25, pistazienfresser wrote: >>> On 14/07/10 22:20, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:38 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> In the main page >>>>> http://software.opensuse.org/112/en >>>>> none of the links work, they have to be modified to point to the correct >>>>> location. >>>>> >>>> >>>> To follow up, there is a link to >>>> http://en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE >>>> in the write-up which appears when you click on the little blue "?" just >>>> beside the string "Download Method" for every type of download media, >>>> i.e. for the 4.7GB DVD, Live images and others. This too points to an >>>> empty page, and I have no idea where this should point to either, bcoz >>>> there seems to be no page close to this. >>>> >>>> >>> Hello Atri, hello list, hello "admin", >>> as there was a very little link with "Feedback" and admin(a)opensuse.org >>> behind it on that page "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" I added >>> this address to the TO section above. >>> >>> And as "software" is none of the 34 namespaces I see on >>> http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Search the administrators of the wiki >>> may not the only ones with the ability to fix it. >>> >>> But I think temporally that could be fixed also in the wiki if someone >>> knows where the meant articles are now and creates or recreates a >>> redirect to the meant page/article on the page the link on >>> "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" or tomorrow >>> "http://software.opensuse.org/113/en" etc. points to... >> >> I removed the link to bittorrent, as the article is not yet transferred and marked as incomplete >> (http://old-en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE) >> The other link is fixed: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Metalink >> >> Changing strings short before the release has the downside we will have those strings >> in english only for all users until the translations catched up. > > uhm ... we want to push bittorrent usage for this release. > could you please work on migrating this? Ok, I copied it to SDB:BitTorrent_and_openSUSE. Can someone with bittorrent expertise help reviewing this article? Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Bento Login Form Problems
by Matthew Ehle 03 Aug '10

03 Aug '10

Hello, There are two major problems with the bento theme login which will need to be fixed. Until they are, I am recommending that everyone avoid using the javascript login form and instead use the standard login page that is used by the legacy wiki. Issue 1: The login form sends information in plain text over plain HTTP. I have actually fixed this on stage, but perhaps others would like to review it to make sure that passwords aren't being sent in clear text anymore. Assuming that is the case, it can go live when I run the next update. So please try this out in stage (if you are able) and get back to me. If one of you have WireShark installed, that would be perfect. Issue 2: As far as I can tell, this login form is the reason behind Bug 619735. After a lot of testing and troubleshooting in stage, this is the most likely culprit so far. Basically, I can duplicate the problem easily when using the bento login form, but I cannot duplicate at all using the standard login page. It looks like the cookie is not set properly when using this login, although I can't see any apparent reason why that is. Strangely enough, submitting an edit does set the cookie, which is why only the first edit fails. Please test out the fix for the first issue, and see what might be causing the second. Until then, the best workaround is to use the standard login form. Thanks! Matt

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[opensuse-wiki] Main page protected now
by Henne Vogelsang 02 Aug '10

02 Aug '10

Hey, only spammers edited the main page for a long time now. As the bot's seem to have no clue about Flaggedrevs i have protected the page for now. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] where is the knowledge gone
by Sven Burmeister 02 Aug '10

02 Aug '10

Hello! The web and the KDE Portal refers to http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide for developing KDE on openSUSE, i.e. tries to attract developers to use openSUSE. Those links now point into emptiness. How come they were not transfered and the work that went into them thus disregarded? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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