Re: [opensuse-wiki] Download help on the download page

On 15.07.2010 12:21, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-07-15 12:12:56 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 14.07.2010 23:25, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 14/07/10 22:20, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:38 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi! In the main page http://software.opensuse.org/112/en none of the links work, they have to be modified to point to the correct location.
To follow up, there is a link to http://en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE in the write-up which appears when you click on the little blue "?" just beside the string "Download Method" for every type of download media, i.e. for the 4.7GB DVD, Live images and others. This too points to an empty page, and I have no idea where this should point to either, bcoz there seems to be no page close to this.
Hello Atri, hello list, hello "admin", as there was a very little link with "Feedback" and admin@opensuse.org behind it on that page "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" I added this address to the TO section above.
And as "software" is none of the 34 namespaces I see on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Search the administrators of the wiki may not the only ones with the ability to fix it.
But I think temporally that could be fixed also in the wiki if someone knows where the meant articles are now and creates or recreates a redirect to the meant page/article on the page the link on "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" or tomorrow "http://software.opensuse.org/113/en" etc. points to...
I removed the link to bittorrent, as the article is not yet transferred and marked as incomplete (http://old-en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE). The other link is fixed: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Metalink
Changing strings short before the release has the downside we will have those strings in english only for all users until the translations catched up.
uhm ... we want to push bittorrent usage for this release. could you please work on migrating this?
Ok, I copied it to SDB:BitTorrent_and_openSUSE. Can someone with bittorrent expertise help reviewing this article? Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 12:30 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 12:21, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-07-15 12:12:56 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 14.07.2010 23:25, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 14/07/10 22:20, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:38 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi! In the main page http://software.opensuse.org/112/en none of the links work, they have to be modified to point to the correct location.
To follow up, there is a link to http://en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE in the write-up which appears when you click on the little blue "?" just beside the string "Download Method" for every type of download media, i.e. for the 4.7GB DVD, Live images and others. This too points to an empty page, and I have no idea where this should point to either, bcoz there seems to be no page close to this.
Hello Atri, hello list, hello "admin", as there was a very little link with "Feedback" and admin@opensuse.org behind it on that page "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" I added this address to the TO section above.
And as "software" is none of the 34 namespaces I see on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Search the administrators of the wiki may not the only ones with the ability to fix it.
But I think temporally that could be fixed also in the wiki if someone knows where the meant articles are now and creates or recreates a redirect to the meant page/article on the page the link on "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" or tomorrow "http://software.opensuse.org/113/en" etc. points to...
I removed the link to bittorrent, as the article is not yet transferred and marked as incomplete (http://old-en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE). The other link is fixed: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Metalink
Changing strings short before the release has the downside we will have those strings in english only for all users until the translations catched up.
uhm ... we want to push bittorrent usage for this release. could you please work on migrating this?
Ok, I copied it to SDB:BitTorrent_and_openSUSE. Can someone with bittorrent expertise help reviewing this article?
Greetings
Still broken links:- *Section:* "Need help?", Link: "Download Help" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_Help *Section:* "How to proceed", Links: "More Information" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_help#Burn_the_ISO_image.28s.29 "Step by step installation guide" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help "Internet Installation" should poin to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation Section: "Additional Information", Link: "License" should point to ??? Would be nice if someone can fix them urgently (read now). Thanks, and sorry for sounding paranoid :) -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Atri Bhattacharya <badshah400@aim.com> wrote:
Still broken links:- *Section:* "Need help?", Link: "Download Help" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_Help
*Section:* "How to proceed", Links: "More Information" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_help#Burn_the_ISO_image.28s.29
"Step by step installation guide" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help
"Internet Installation" should poin to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation
Note: the links have been changed in the sidebar, not in the text below. I haven't seen it at first sight. :]
Section: "Additional Information", Link: "License" should point to ???
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:License
Would be nice if someone can fix them urgently (read now).
Thanks, and sorry for sounding paranoid :) -- Atri
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Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page: The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks: - A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers). - Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:
The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:
- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).
- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum.
Could you help us by providing an improved text? Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:
The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:
- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).
- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Yes certainly, I will try. I think of something like:
" Verify your download (to be sure) You could verify the file in the process of downloading. For example a checksum (SHA256) will be used automatically if you choose "[[SDB:Metalink|Metalink]]" in the field above and use the add-on DownThemAll! in [[Firefox]]. [...] " I do not use (much) bittorrent, maybe someone else could give a sentence to that? I hope it is not so pressing - I will have to do some work not related to openSUSE first/on higher priority. Could we use a subpage of any user page like: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Pistazienfresser/Download_Help to work easiertogether/collaborative with versions, edits and discussion on one place? Maybe some from the forums could be integrated/invitated, too: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/install-boot-login/402179-d... Greetings pistazienfresser P.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DownThemAll! - it is GPL maybe some addons could be part of the distribution, too. Maybe having not the need to load (unsigned) addons from somewhere else could improve security See: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/tech-news/440382-linux-malware-7.htm... -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 16.07.2010 16:17, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:
The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:
- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).
- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Yes certainly, I will try. I think of something like:
" Verify your download (to be sure)
You could verify the file in the process of downloading. For example a checksum (SHA256) will be used automatically if you choose "[[SDB:Metalink|Metalink]]" in the field above and use the add-on DownThemAll! in [[Firefox]].
[...] "
I added your text in the sources, I think we should deploy it once there are some translations for it. (Will take some days) Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 03/08/10 13:40, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 16.07.2010 16:17, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:
The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:
- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).
- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Yes certainly, I will try. I think of something like:
" Verify your download (to be sure)
You could verify the file in the process of downloading. For example a checksum (SHA256) will be used automatically if you choose "[[SDB:Metalink|Metalink]]" in the field above and use the add-on DownThemAll! in [[Firefox]].
[...] "
I added your text in the sources, Where are they to find? I think we should deploy it once there are some translations for it. Should I try to translate it in German? ;-) (Will take some days) Thanks, pistazienfresser --
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On 03.08.2010 14:58, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 03/08/10 13:40, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 16.07.2010 16:17, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:
The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:
- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).
- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Yes certainly, I will try. I think of something like:
" Verify your download (to be sure)
You could verify the file in the process of downloading. For example a checksum (SHA256) will be used automatically if you choose "[[SDB:Metalink|Metalink]]" in the field above and use the add-on DownThemAll! in [[Firefox]].
[...] "
I added your text in the sources, Where are they to find?
The sources of software.o.o are here: http://gitorious.org/opensuse/software-o-o
I think we should deploy it once there are some translations for it. Should I try to translate it in German? ;-)
The german translation is here: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/opensuse-i18n/trunk/lcn/de/po/software-o... You could for example use "lokalize" from kde4 to translate it. I would happily commit your translated file :-) Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page: F.Y.I.:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse113/ Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Hey, On 17.07.2010 00:30, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page: F.Y.I.:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing
The books are underway... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 20/07/10 12:26, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 17.07.2010 00:30, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page: F.Y.I.:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing
The books are underway...
Henne
Thanks for information (and of cause all involved to bring the books on the way even more)... Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 20/07/10 12:36, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 20/07/10 12:26, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 17.07.2010 00:30, pistazienfresser wrote: [...]
F.Y.I.:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing
The books are underway... [...] P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...
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P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...
Answered on both mentioned page just now. I short: I'm working on it, sorry for delay. Tim 2010/7/20 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de>:
On 20/07/10 12:36, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 20/07/10 12:26, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 17.07.2010 00:30, pistazienfresser wrote: [...]
F.Y.I.:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing
The books are underway... [...] P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...
Greetings pistazienfresser
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On 20/07/10 21:01, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...
Answered on both mentioned page just now. I short: I'm working on it, Hello Tim, hello list,
1. did you understand the question on the discussion page in an other way than I did OR 2. did I not understand your answers in the right way (why are you writing of "pages" not of "documents"/"guides") OR 3. will there be this time no "quick start guide and the full user guide" etc. (in other versions copyright by novell) like on http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse112/ (/;-) But in some discussion on the forums I had the impression I was member of a small minority that really reads that guides sometimes /;-)) From http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=17940&oldid=1...
Hello,
It is true that there is lack of this pages. I'm currently working on that, since I noticed it myself a bit to late. I wanted to start on this 2 days ago, but i n order to obtain some screen shots I started installing myself. This gave me some issues (because I tried new/stupid things) and put me out of the running for the last 2 days. Read: no bootable computer. So I apologize.
I think due to the wiki transfer just before the release, this pages where more or less forgotten. Next release I hope we do better ;) --Muhlemmer 18:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
sorry for delay. Personally I am happy with openSUSE 11.2 for now - my intent was more to prevent frustration because people may be used to the frequent use of the discussion pages from the big wikis (en.wikipedia, de.wikipedia, ...) -
By the way - are the corresponding discussion pages added to the watchlist if you add the article page? Could the default preferences be changed in the way that a user has to change something to add an article NOT to his watchlist if he edited or controlled it? In other words - please add edited pages by default to the watchlist of the user (especially to the admins/editors/etc... watchlists). And if the use of that discussion pages will increase or stay like this - maybe a discussion-page-archive-function could be imported (via http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Import ?) form a wiki with an according license and used? Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-default (or pae, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - Samsung X20 (SX20S) with Pentium M 740 (1730 MHz), Intel graphic 915GM, 1400x1050 - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

well, the intension is to have a general Installation article, which must be updated when a new version is released. A copy of the article then moves to Archive: with a version note. In the article, will off course be a reference to the official docs. This official docs are still underway from the documentation team/novell? We are the wiki team, so we work on the wiki pages. What I'm working on is a better structure for the Installation pages, update them to guidelines and some visual aspects. The article I'm actualy going to write is the Live CD installation. This one is not documented by Novell and is something we have to do ourselves. Greets, Tim 2010/7/20 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de>:
On 20/07/10 21:01, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...
Answered on both mentioned page just now. I short: I'm working on it, Hello Tim, hello list,
1. did you understand the question on the discussion page in an other way than I did OR 2. did I not understand your answers in the right way (why are you writing of "pages" not of "documents"/"guides") OR 3. will there be this time no "quick start guide and the full user guide" etc. (in other versions copyright by novell) like on http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse112/ (/;-) But in some discussion on the forums I had the impression I was member of a small minority that really reads that guides sometimes /;-))
From http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=17940&oldid=1...
Hello,
It is true that there is lack of this pages. I'm currently working on that, since I noticed it myself a bit to late. I wanted to start on this 2 days ago, but i n order to obtain some screen shots I started installing myself. This gave me some issues (because I tried new/stupid things) and put me out of the running for the last 2 days. Read: no bootable computer. So I apologize.
I think due to the wiki transfer just before the release, this pages where more or less forgotten. Next release I hope we do better ;) --Muhlemmer 18:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
sorry for delay. Personally I am happy with openSUSE 11.2 for now - my intent was more to prevent frustration because people may be used to the frequent use of the discussion pages from the big wikis (en.wikipedia, de.wikipedia, ...) -
By the way - are the corresponding discussion pages added to the watchlist if you add the article page?
Could the default preferences be changed in the way that a user has to change something to add an article NOT to his watchlist if he edited or controlled it? In other words - please add edited pages by default to the watchlist of the user (especially to the admins/editors/etc... watchlists).
And if the use of that discussion pages will increase or stay like this - maybe a discussion-page-archive-function could be imported (via http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Import ?) form a wiki with an according license and used?
Greetings pistazienfresser
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Team, As is noticed, the installation pages are a disaster for this release (and probably more topics). Off course it's not so difficult to understand, since the transition took place just before the release. The buildservice makes use of trigger lists. If a package gets updated, other packages also need to be updated. Developer gets message etc. I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched. When we are at a certain time from the release (say 2 weeks), we publish the contents of this list on Portal:wiki under "To do" topic. So we can get the input of editors on time and making that distribution related pages complete. I'm willing to maintain such a list, if you guys agree with it. Greetings, Tim 2010/7/20 Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer@gmail.com>:
well, the intension is to have a general Installation article, which must be updated when a new version is released. A copy of the article then moves to Archive: with a version note.
In the article, will off course be a reference to the official docs. This official docs are still underway from the documentation team/novell? We are the wiki team, so we work on the wiki pages.
What I'm working on is a better structure for the Installation pages, update them to guidelines and some visual aspects. The article I'm actualy going to write is the Live CD installation. This one is not documented by Novell and is something we have to do ourselves.
Greets,
Tim
2010/7/20 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de>:
On 20/07/10 21:01, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...
Answered on both mentioned page just now. I short: I'm working on it, Hello Tim, hello list,
1. did you understand the question on the discussion page in an other way than I did OR 2. did I not understand your answers in the right way (why are you writing of "pages" not of "documents"/"guides") OR 3. will there be this time no "quick start guide and the full user guide" etc. (in other versions copyright by novell) like on http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse112/ (/;-) But in some discussion on the forums I had the impression I was member of a small minority that really reads that guides sometimes /;-))
From http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=17940&oldid=1...
Hello,
It is true that there is lack of this pages. I'm currently working on that, since I noticed it myself a bit to late. I wanted to start on this 2 days ago, but i n order to obtain some screen shots I started installing myself. This gave me some issues (because I tried new/stupid things) and put me out of the running for the last 2 days. Read: no bootable computer. So I apologize.
I think due to the wiki transfer just before the release, this pages where more or less forgotten. Next release I hope we do better ;) --Muhlemmer 18:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
sorry for delay. Personally I am happy with openSUSE 11.2 for now - my intent was more to prevent frustration because people may be used to the frequent use of the discussion pages from the big wikis (en.wikipedia, de.wikipedia, ...) -
By the way - are the corresponding discussion pages added to the watchlist if you add the article page?
Could the default preferences be changed in the way that a user has to change something to add an article NOT to his watchlist if he edited or controlled it? In other words - please add edited pages by default to the watchlist of the user (especially to the admins/editors/etc... watchlists).
And if the use of that discussion pages will increase or stay like this - maybe a discussion-page-archive-function could be imported (via http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Import ?) form a wiki with an according license and used?
Greetings pistazienfresser
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Hey, On 21.07.2010 23:06, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
I'm willing to maintain such a list, if you guys agree with it.
Great idea! Go for it :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer@gmail.com> wrote:
I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched.
Hi, Maybe we could use a category to "dynamically" maintain such a list, as we did on the old-en wiki. Just add [[Category:Update on new release]] or something similar to the to-be-updated pages. Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 21 July 2010 16:06:16 Tim Mohlmann wrote:
I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched. When we are at a certain time from the release (say 2 weeks), we publish the contents of this list on Portal:wiki under "To do" topic. So we can get the input of editors on time and making that distribution related pages complete.
I'm willing to maintain such a list, if you guys agree with it.
Started in forums some time ago :) http://bit.ly/bsBk0T It is probably one of the most important tasks for wiki site like ours that deals with a lot of stuff that is time sensitive. I would use categories and list them all somewhere under "Wiki maintenance" category. Maybe even higher. IMO, we should give a good thought to this. When we implement this there will be a lot of categories dedicated to time tracking and a lot of rules how to categorize article. PS. You can also use <daysuntil> tag to give the remaining time that is left until checkup. That is part of installed extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EventCountdown that is missing introduction that will be displayed in Special:Version . You can see only tags <eventcountdown> and <daysuntil> that belong to this extension. Example usage is on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Lifetime . -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Hey, On 23.07.2010 02:51, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 16:06:16 Tim Mohlmann wrote:
I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched. When we are at a certain time from the release (say 2 weeks), we publish the contents of this list on Portal:wiki under "To do" topic. So we can get the input of editors on time and making that distribution related pages complete.
I'm willing to maintain such a list, if you guys agree with it.
Started in forums some time ago :) http://bit.ly/bsBk0T
Sounds like over-engineering to me. Just put articles that need to be brushed up on release into [[Category:Check on release]]. There is no need for multiple versioned categories, we only have one release. And checking fate or bugzilla or something for the most important SDB articles is part of the brush up task, we don't need a technical solution for that. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 15.07.2010 13:18, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 12:30 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 15.07.2010 12:21, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-07-15 12:12:56 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote:
On 14.07.2010 23:25, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 14/07/10 22:20, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:38 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: > Hi! > In the main page > http://software.opensuse.org/112/en > none of the links work, they have to be modified to point to the correct > location. >
To follow up, there is a link to http://en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE in the write-up which appears when you click on the little blue "?" just beside the string "Download Method" for every type of download media, i.e. for the 4.7GB DVD, Live images and others. This too points to an empty page, and I have no idea where this should point to either, bcoz there seems to be no page close to this.
Hello Atri, hello list, hello "admin", as there was a very little link with "Feedback" and admin@opensuse.org behind it on that page "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" I added this address to the TO section above.
And as "software" is none of the 34 namespaces I see on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Search the administrators of the wiki may not the only ones with the ability to fix it.
But I think temporally that could be fixed also in the wiki if someone knows where the meant articles are now and creates or recreates a redirect to the meant page/article on the page the link on "http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" or tomorrow "http://software.opensuse.org/113/en" etc. points to...
I removed the link to bittorrent, as the article is not yet transferred and marked as incomplete (http://old-en.opensuse.org/BitTorrent_and_openSUSE). The other link is fixed: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Metalink
Changing strings short before the release has the downside we will have those strings in english only for all users until the translations catched up.
uhm ... we want to push bittorrent usage for this release. could you please work on migrating this?
Ok, I copied it to SDB:BitTorrent_and_openSUSE. Can someone with bittorrent expertise help reviewing this article?
Greetings
Still broken links:-
Thanks for reporting those!
*Section:* "Need help?", Link: "Download Help" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_Help
Fixed
*Section:* "How to proceed", Links: "More Information" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_help#Burn_the_ISO_image.28s.29
Fixed
"Step by step installation guide" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help
Fixed
"Internet Installation" should poin to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation
Fixed
Section: "Additional Information", Link: "License" should point to ???
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Atri Bhattacharya
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Henne Vogelsang
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pistazienfresser
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pistazienfresser (see profile)
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Rajko M.
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Rémy Marquis
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Thomas Schmidt
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Thomas Schmidt
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Tim Mohlmann