[opensuse-wiki] where is the knowledge gone
Hello! The web and the KDE Portal refers to http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide for developing KDE on openSUSE, i.e. tries to attract developers to use openSUSE. Those links now point into emptiness. How come they were not transfered and the work that went into them thus disregarded? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 18. Juli 2010, 10:46:30 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
Hello!
The web and the KDE Portal refers to http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide for developing KDE on openSUSE, i.e. tries to attract developers to use openSUSE. Those links now point into emptiness. How come they were not transfered and the work that went into them thus disregarded?
Let me put this another way. Dead links a a bad thing thus they should be avoided, especially if the knowledege still available. Currently the whole development section of the KDE portal consists of dead links although those articles are available. All links from outside the wiki point to empty pages as well. So as long as there are articles in the old wiki links should not be broken on purpose but people accessing them refered to the actual article in the old wiki. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-18 11:00, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 18. Juli 2010, 10:46:30 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
Hello!
The web and the KDE Portal refers to http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide for developing KDE on openSUSE, i.e. tries to attract developers to use openSUSE. Those links now point into emptiness. How come they were not transfered and the work that went into them thus disregarded?
Let me put this another way. Dead links a a bad thing thus they should be avoided, especially if the knowledege still available.
Currently the whole development section of the KDE portal consists of dead links although those articles are available. All links from outside the wiki point to empty pages as well. So as long as there are articles in the old wiki links should not be broken on purpose but people accessing them refered to the actual article in the old wiki.
I also had a look. <http://www.opensuse.org/en/> ==> <http://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page> ==> <http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki> ==> Teams ==> <http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Teams> ==> Translation ==> <http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Translation_team> ] There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title ] in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page. It existed before... Thus I can't try to see if the Spanish translation team needs any thing done. If I go to <http://es.opensuse.org/Portal:Teams> it is also empty. However, <http://es.opensuse.org/Equipos> does exist, but has most links broken, like the one to "Equipo de traducción" at <http://es.opensuse.org/Equipo_de_traducci%C3%B3n>, which is probably this one <http://es.opensuse.org/Traducci%C3%B3n> I don't dare to change anything, because I don't understand the system. When whoever knows can mend it, then I'll try to adapt the few pages I wrote time ago. I'll wait. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxC7agACgkQU92UU+smfQXhsACePLYSZbCgd5CFWmvwFuU9hA// BmMAni32OVtiUCdM7hpnjgL77gi8/ejG =7iL6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 18 July 2010 03:46:30 Sven Burmeister wrote: ...
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide for developing KDE on openSUSE,
This one is fixed now, but above link should stay only as fix for links on the web (outside the wiki). Internal wiki links should be fixed (currently nothing links to this url) to point to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_developers_guide . -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Monday, July 19, 2010 08:46:57 pm Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 18 July 2010 03:46:30 Sven Burmeister wrote: ...
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide for developing KDE on openSUSE,
This one is fixed now, but above link should stay only as fix for links on the web (outside the wiki). Internal wiki links should be fixed (currently nothing links to this url) to point to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_developers_guide .
Might want to add a 'transferred' box to the old wiki article at the top to point to the new URL {{TransferNote|Newname}} Just replace Newname with the new URL and it'll create a nice 'this article has been transferred to "blah" link. -Matt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 19 July 2010 19:51:03 Matt Hayes wrote: ...
Might want to add a 'transferred' box to the old wiki article at the top to point to the new URL
{{TransferNote|Newname}}
Done :) Thanks for warning. I posted here before adding template, although I'm not sure that I always do that. "Statistics" article for instance got TransferNote right now. Sincerely, I feel much better knowing that many eyes are watching wiki.
Just replace Newname with the new URL and it'll create a nice 'this article has been transferred to "blah" link.
See template history :)
-Matt
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On Monday, July 19, 2010 09:06:30 pm Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 19 July 2010 19:51:03 Matt Hayes wrote: ...
Might want to add a 'transferred' box to the old wiki article at the top to point to the new URL
{{TransferNote|Newname}}
Done :)
Thanks for warning. I posted here before adding template, although I'm not sure that I always do that. "Statistics" article for instance got TransferNote right now.
Sincerely, I feel much better knowing that many eyes are watching wiki.
Just replace Newname with the new URL and it'll create a nice 'this article has been transferred to "blah" link.
See template history :)
-Matt
Looks good! -Matt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
(posted after sent per mail On 20/07/10 13:05, pistazienfresser wrote: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=544&diff=17698&oldi... http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=17351 Hello Andreas, Rajko, Thomas/Tom, Hendrik/Henne, Javier, Marcus, Tim, Petr, Rémy, Shayon and all other wiki-admins, is there any plan to secure the group of users/to limit the creation of new users and of dealing with vandalism in general? I think it is possible to do a lot less obvious and more dangerous spamming/malicious things than the examples above. Maybe next think will be an external link to a malware containing page and maybe next time an editor/admin/... will not look at the content of a link/will not control the link before marking as 'pattroled'/'sighted'/'quality'. Compare: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44127... [...] P.S.: I had not found not all the email adresses: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop Maybe someone would forward this message to the other possible responsible... [Greetings pistazienfresser] openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hi At the moment if an admin (also reviewer) edits a page, it is automatic marked as sighted. In the case of a small edit, like a spelling error or a missing image etc, it might occur we don't check all the links in an article. It would be a whole bunch more work if we have to do this every edit, especially when fixing links of transferred articles. (Which more or less consists of search Special:WhatLinksHere, open, edit, use find option in browser, fix internal links found, save and open next in list.) I would like to disable the automatic sighting for myself, but I can not find the settings. Maybe it is wise to disable this. (maybe for all admins) and make sighting/reviewing a different part of the job. So when we go out reviewing, we actually really are reviewing and checking the external links etc. My request is to disable this function at least for me, because I don't like to have an article marked for something I did not do. Maybe the automatic function is nice when all creazyness from transferring and recovery from the move is over. For now it's just plain inconvenient. Tim 2010/7/20 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de>:
(posted after sent per mail On 20/07/10 13:05, pistazienfresser wrote:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=544&diff=17698&oldi... http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=17351
Hello Andreas, Rajko, Thomas/Tom, Hendrik/Henne, Javier, Marcus, Tim, Petr, Rémy, Shayon and all other wiki-admins,
is there any plan to secure the group of users/to limit the creation of new users and of dealing with vandalism in general?
I think it is possible to do a lot less obvious and more dangerous spamming/malicious things than the examples above.
Maybe next think will be an external link to a malware containing page and maybe next time an editor/admin/... will not look at the content of a link/will not control the link before marking as 'pattroled'/'sighted'/'quality'. Compare: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44127...
[...]
P.S.: I had not found not all the email adresses:
http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop
Maybe someone would forward this message to the other possible responsible...
[Greetings pistazienfresser]
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On 20/07/10 17:15, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
Hi
At the moment if an admin (also reviewer) edits a page, it is automatic marked as sighted. In the case of a small edit, like a spelling error or a missing image etc, it might occur we don't check all the links in an article. It would be a whole bunch more work if we have to do this every edit, especially when fixing links of transferred articles. (Which more or less consists of search Special:WhatLinksHere, open, edit, use find option in browser, fix internal links found, save and open next in list.)
I would like to disable the automatic sighting for myself, but I can not find the settings. Maybe it is wise to disable this. (maybe for all admins) and make sighting/reviewing a different part of the job. So when we go out reviewing, we actually really are reviewing and checking the external links etc.
My request is to disable this function at least for me, because I don't like to have an article marked for something I did not do. Maybe the automatic function is nice when all creazyness from transferring and recovery from the move is over. For now it's just plain inconvenient.
Tim
I am sure that I can disable it in the de.wikipedia - at least afterwards as I did now for an example on: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenSUSE&action=historysubmit&diff... http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenSUSE&action=history And if I remember right if I edit an article that has already hanging a not 'gesichtet' edit - the resulting version is not maked as 'gesichtet' (sighted?) after that automatically - I have to do it for myself. But an workaround could be a second account without any special privileges - like I do not surf in the web as root ;-) And maybe you can also modify something with sighted/patrolled/quality - de.wikipedia has to my knowledge only the lowest level - officially only against (obvious?) vandalism. Greetings pistazienfresser - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 10:15:24 Tim Mohlmann wrote:
My request is to disable this function at least for me, because I don't like to have an article marked for something I did not do.
Can't be done for one user, only for group, so there will be no change for now :) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 20/07/10 17:15, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
Hi
At the moment if an admin (also reviewer) edits a page, it is automatic marked as sighted. In the case of a small edit, like a spelling error or a missing image etc, it might occur we don't check all the links in an article. It would be a whole bunch more work if we have to do this every edit, especially when fixing links of transferred articles. (Which more or less consists of search Special:WhatLinksHere, open, edit, use find option in browser, fix internal links found, save and open next in list.)
I would like to disable the automatic sighting for myself, but I can not find the settings. Maybe it is wise to disable this. (maybe for all admins) and make sighting/reviewing a different part of the job. So when we go out reviewing, we actually really are reviewing and checking the external links etc.
My request is to disable this function at least for me, because I don't like to have an article marked for something I did not do. Maybe the automatic function is nice when all creazyness from transferring and recovery from the move is over. For now it's just plain inconvenient.
[...] I think a bureaucrat might create a new user-group (like: "administrators without automatic") without the automatic sight in the definitions of the group (and of the groups members rights/previleges). Then you could put Tim in that new group and out of the others to fulfill his wishes. mediawiki: Manual:User rights http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Gruppenrechte Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R. -
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Rajko M. -
Sven Burmeister -
Tim Mohlmann