The sidebar has two parts we can't really play with: tool
box and others langages.
we must limit the ohers menu entries to sgnificant ones
(remember: keep it simple)
the french wiki:
gives an idea of what I propose. but it's not that good.
"page de garde" is "home page", the link to the front page
it self. don"t forget the sidebar is always there, on the
left, even on the others pages.
Opensuse is the first place, as was suggested by somebody
else. I don' see why add "about" in front of "opensuse"
"vue d'ensemble" is "project overwiev" - adding project made
the french line too long, that is why I didn't made it.
Participate may need a more important place, but better in
the center place than on the sidebar, it needs not be in all
Use is an important place; mainly download, documentation
and contacts. I don't see any reason to have SDB different
than documentation and in contacts there are all the kinds
of contacts (mailing lists, forums...)
there is no need for news or roadmap here, they have all a
column on the right for themselves
Before giving contents, I propose we think of the layout.
The use of the wiki already gave us an initial layout:
*upper left logo
*personnal links (of login prompt)
*bottom edits line
we _can_ change this, but it's probably not a good idea.
then the actual layout is pretty confusing.
Did you notice the upper right menu bar? my stupid I did
not! So we have download at top, on left, on center
bottom... it's important, I know, but isn't it too much?
Looking at the page, I see for more significant places we
can play with.
* sidebar/left menu column
* right column
* "head", that is page title and Novell/opensuse definition
* middle of the page. This middle is now divided on two:
permanent bug/download links and transient news.
we should try to limit oveall size to 800x600.
This size is readable (given browser resizing) even with an
old 640x480 screen. Most users have greater screens but use
browsers in a window, not full screen. This size is not an
absolute rule, just a target
I really think your are right saying we must go ahead on
this subject, so I will try to separate it on smaller chunks :-)
The first thing we _must_ do is a "hub" page, viewable on
"opensuse.org" (without any "en", "fr"...).
We need this badly because our goal of making an
international distribution, with multiples localized wikis
make us need a single page common to the whole community,
given anywhere as reference, and this cannot be the english
* we need to make simple (always make simple should be the
main rule :-). So I propose the HUB page to be One image
with around it one clickable place for each local wiki.
can we agree with this first point?
* this central image should be simply the opensuse logo, the
one you can see in the upper left corner of any page, just
resized with full definition to be visible (we can't just
enlarge the icon)
* the total screen size should be 640x480. We don't really
need more for a hub and this should accomodate each and any
world computer. Think to make a usable equivallent for non
graphics browsers and disabled peoples.
* what to use as back images for localized wikis is more
difficult. The simpler way is flags. I understand this is
sometime a problem, but I fail to find a better way. flags
are internationally known, not lizards :-). I can see a
Japanese flag and see there is a japanese wiki, a dragon
with criptics (for me) symbols in it is not good. this pages
is also an advertisement of how international SUSE is :-)
l would like to know if we have possibility to see the translation statistics
in wiki. For example, the percentage of the ones translated to Turkish
or to Germany.
SuSE Linux OS Turkıye
I have made a quite significative -still not so visible-
change to the front page at http://fr.opensuse.org.
The french page being much less seen than the english one,
it's a good place to test (I already asked the users they
advice, will see the answer-and yours, I can go back).
to summarise, I don't change anything in the layout. the
goal was to make the hole page fit in 800x600 screen
I reduce the number of sidebar entries (and reworked
accordingly the content of the menu pages).
I also add an image of the 10.1 box in the upcomming events
I also decided not to quote any other langage wiki in my
pages (for example the IW template-interwiki links), because
I'm unable to follow the growth of the wiki number, and I
don't read some of these strange pages (strange for me, of
course). On the contrary I quote the english page and I set
on the french front page an info box advertising the fact
that many new wikis exists.
Note that on the right part of the screen, I only report
things having a meaning for french readers.
I think more and more than an important part of the
community work can only made in english and so on the
english wiki. it's of little use to translate all the pages
on build system, bugzilla stuff or development
participation, because nobody who don't at least read
english can participate to these things.
Localised wikis are very good for beginners, end user
documentation, tips and tricks,download...
and to speak bask about front page, I really would like to
have a wikipedia like main page for all wikis (with all
these little flags on a nice lizard), but I'm definitively
NOT an artmaker, sorry :-)))
IW template at English wiki links to http://cZ.opensuse.org/... instead of
http://cS.opensuse.org/... This is a problem because although
http://cz.opensuse.org is an alias for http://cs.opensuse.org, it redirects
always to the fronpage, not the correct page.
Please make IW link to cs... insead of cz... for the Czech language.
Keeping the full path when redirecting from cz to cs would be nice too.
I do not have enough privilegies to fix that myself.