openSUSE Factory November 2011

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[opensuse-factory] KPackageKit's purpose
by Steven Sroka 21 Nov '11

21 Nov '11

Hey all, I was just reading over some threads on this list and noticed a few things here and there about KPackageKit. I understand that it was included by default in 11.4 because the Update Applet was unmaintained, but isn't Yast2 Installer perfectly able to do updates? Was KPackageKit needed just because Yast doesn't remind users about updates? This is the only reason I can think of to use KPackageKit. Yast2 Installer is so much more advanced (which is good for our target userbase) and it is tightly integrated into openSUSE since it's a SUSE product! Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Hello, regarding gcc plugin support
by Bombshellz Administrator 21 Nov '11

21 Nov '11

On 11/21/2011 10:19 AM, Michael Matz wrote: > Hi, > > [keep me CCed, I'm not monitoring -factory@] > > On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Bombshellz Administrator wrote: > >> I've noticed that GCC shipped with 11.4 has Plugin support disabled, was >> there specific reason to as why it was disabled? > In 4.5 it was unstable and doesn't work for all platforms, and we wanted > to reduce the feature matrix to not be bothered with bug reports that > aren't going to be fixed for 4.5. > >> And if the feature could be re-enabled for 11.4? > No. > >> Or alternative solution? > Use gcc46 or wait for 4.7. See project devel:gcc, containing updated and > upcoming (gcc47) packages also for older distros. > > > Ciao, > Michael. Hello, Thanks for clarifying... I do have a few questions to ask: Will GCC 4.6 be included in OpenSuSE 11.4 (Even in the Evergreen project)? (is that what you meant by "older distros.") , Would I need to keep devel:gcc to continue to receive bug and security fixes? , I'm also concerned about stability and security, is GCC 4.6 relatively safe? Unfortunately I can't wait until 4.7 as I have other projects postponed until this particular issues is resolved. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] Still openSUSE 12.1 - NetworkManager does it worst....
by James Knott 21 Nov '11

21 Nov '11

Sven Burmeister wrote: > Nope. You should work with the maintainers and not the packagers. It's > impossible for those few KDE people at openSUSE to know all of KDE's code or > fix everything you come up with. Thus it makes sense (effectiveness and > efficiency-wise) to take upstream issues upstream and only bother openSUSE > people with openSUSE specific issues. There's already a bug report on openSUSE. Do those people not say we have a problem here and then go to the source? If I were on the KDE team, I'd rather be hearing reports from the distros than all the users. Like I said, I'd have been fired from IBM, if I tried telling a user to go "upstream". What happens to people who buy the distro (I used to buy every version, until they changed the shipment method and made it very expensive in Canada) and pay for support? Will they be told to go upstream too? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 7-zip with gui is missing for 12.1
by Roman Bysh 21 Nov '11

21 Nov '11

Hello all, I'm searching for Z-zip with gui for openSUSE 12.1. It used to be in Contrib. when I ran 11.4. Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] PolicyKit/NetworkManager bug
by roger.luedecke＠gmail.com 21 Nov '11

21 Nov '11

I have been digging through documentation on policykit to figure out why NetworkManager needs root for user side settings. I think I may be on to something. It looks like NetworkManager is misidentifying its actions and sending policykit the wrong signal. Here, I have added a local connection and it requires root authentication. Note, that "System Connection" was unchecked and I have had "Connect Automatically" toggled both ways and got the same result. The GNOME network manager also requires root authentication. Notice under "Action" it says,"Modify network connections for all users." However, as the box was unchecked, this is not a correct report of the action. Not sure why Network Manager is listed under Vendor... http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/21/nm- appletneedsrootimmediatelywhennetworkisselected.png Another attempt in the exact fashion gives a different but similar authentication dialog. Note in this dialog, it correctly identifies the action as "Modify personal network connections." http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/21/nmneedsrootafterputtinginwifipassword.png A quick look at the policykit module in System Settings shows that the only policy requiring root should be to set system wide connections for all users. No other section here shows a need for authentication. http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/21/systemnconnectionsonlyoneshowingneedforroot.p… Considering what I have figured upon, it would look that the NetworkManager (backend, not desktop specific applet) is misidentifying its actions. However that doesn't explain its asking for root when it does identify the action correctly as user level. There may be multiple issues here, or the KDE module for policykit is misrepresenting the setting actually present. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Runlevels in 12.1?
by Carlos E. R. 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How does one boot in text mode now? Previously I just typed "3" at grub prompt. Now doing that it crashes. If we have a wiki page that documents all this, please point me to it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk68cBoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XuFwCeLRILtpgZg85Dbv4cTDeLlhyG aCYAnRXWEQnF1vc4NULV/S5XazUOe5HI =rlxc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Hello, regarding gcc plugin support
by Bombshellz Administrator 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

Hello, I've noticed that GCC shipped with 11.4 has Plugin support disabled, was there specific reason to as why it was disabled? And if the feature could be re-enabled for 11.4? Or alternative solution? Thanks Best Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] [12.1] massive data loss in /var/tmp/
by Richard Brown 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

I can also confirm that it is empty on my fresh install of 12.1 here >>> Anders Johansson 11/19/11 2:50 PM >>> On Saturday 19 November 2011 15:42:30 Carlos E. R. wrote: > On Saturday, 2011-11-19 at 15:18 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: > > However, I can't see that this is the case on my system. The default > > setting is /tmp only, and I can't immediately see anything in YaST that > > would add /var/tmp to it > > # This variable contains a list of directories, in which old files are to > # be searched and deleted. The frequency is determined by > MAX_DAYS_IN_LONG_TMP # If cleaning of /var/tmp is wanted add it here. > # > LONG_TMP_DIRS_TO_CLEAR="" I know, but it is empty by default, and files in my /var/tmp aren't getting deleted on my 12.1 Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] Still openSUSE 12.1 - NetworkManager does it worst....
by Richard Brown 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

>>> Sven Burmeister 11/20/11 12:47 PM >>> Am Sonntag, 20. November 2011, 07:36:35 schrieb James Knott: > Also, as I own my computers, this issue barely qualifies as annoying, > but it's a show stopper for corporate users. If a corporate customer > has paid for support, are they also supposed to take it upstream? As Gerald has pointed out, the openSUSE project does not sell boxed sets nor offer paid-for support. 3rd parties may so do, but if you are a corporate user of openSUSE with an agreement with one of those 3rd parties, it would be them (not openSUSE nor upstream) who would probably make sense to be your first point of contact However, a corporate user might wish to consider purchasing an enterprise linux distro, something like SLED, where support by professionals is abundant and their more paced development strategy should ensure that issues like this would be ironed out before they'd ever reach corporate users. As a community distro, I think our focus should be meeting the needs of this community, responding to our real users concerns and feedback, free from having to worry about theoretical corporate users who may or may not exist. Such an approach allows us to make daring changes to our distribution and push things forward - sometimes we'll (as a group) make decisions that in retrospect don't make much sense, but then feedback through bugzilla (where to me it seems this issue is already being worked on) and mailinglists like this get the issues the attention they deserve, so they can be fixed in due course, either in the distribution, or taken to the appropriate upstream projects to get it fixed up there. It may not be a perfect approach but it seems to have produced a pretty awesome 12.1 version.. please keep the feedback coming :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] Still openSUSE 12.1 - NetworkManager does it worst....
by James Knott 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

Rüdiger Meier wrote: > On Saturday 19 November 2011, James Knott wrote: > >> Kim Leyendecker wrote: >> >>> Anyway, you shouldn´t discuss it here. It would be better to right >>> talk with the upstream projects instead of having endless >>> discussions here (and also spamming our mailboxes ;-) ). >>> >>> So, please go upstream with it, this would be more helpful for us >>> all :-) >>> >> I am an openSUSE user, discussing bugs in openSUSE and even >> participate in the bug reporting. I expect the builders to take >> responsibility for the distro problems and if necessary, take them >> upstream. >> > Obviously you want to help with your bug reports. Kim just told you how > you could do it even more helpful. > > Well, as it turns out, it affects Gnome too. As I do not use Gnome I wouldn't have known that, unless someone mentioned it. So, I'd be bugging the KDE team about something that isn't their fault and be sent back to openSUSE. This is precicely the reason someone at openSUSE should take ownership of the issue, just like I did at IBM. Otherwise, you'll get into the situation where two groups point their fingers at each other and the user is left with an unresolved problem. I have seen this happen at other companies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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