openSUSE Factory July 2009

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[opensuse-factory] Plans and Issues for ATI fglrx Driver for 11.2?
by David C. Rankin 04 Jul '09

04 Jul '09

Listmates, There are 2 issues that need to be addressed regarding the fglrx driver and the upcoming 11.2 release. Currently in 11.1, there are many laptop cards supposedly "supported" by the ATI driver that crash or hardlock when the driver is installed. Currently my X1200 is one, the 200 is another from the list (I'm not sure what the technical card architecture is for the "200"). Suffice it to say, this is a significant problem for all affected users. The issues that need to be addressed pre-11.2 are: (1) Performance issues and crashes caused by the ATI driver. Recent driver problems: The 9-2 driver release caused my Toshiba 205d laptop to reboot on xdm start and the 9-3 driver caused my laptop to hardlock if glxgears was started. All fglrx drivers 8-10 through 8-12 had performance of less than 60% of the 8-9 driver. Compounding the problem is the fact that nothing prior to the 8-12 driver will even compile or run on 11.1 or later (presuming 11.2 as well) Thankfully, there are some cards that seem to do OK with the recent 9-3 driver on 11.1, but it is hit or miss ...and... the fact that it works on "some" does nothing to address and help the users where it "does not" work. Before the 11.2 release, Novell needs to get a handle on what cards will and will not run with the ATI driver and at least incorporate a warning or release note for those with affected hardware. (2) Confirm - ATI driver support will be dropped for all R300-R500 ATI cards post 9-3 driver release (per phoronix.com ATI forum). This is another *biggie* Novell needs to get its arms around, to again, either incorporate into the installer a way to not install the driver on non-supported hardware or identify and warn about the lack of support for all R300-R500 cards. That means no (nada) fglrx driver support for the R300-R500 series cards which include the: 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X550, X600, X700, X800, X850 AllInWonder, and X1050 cards affecting all laptops bought before Q3 2005 (or January 2007 in the case of the X1050). All of which are still *very* prevalent in the group of laptops that make up the installed user base today and will continue to do so through 11.2 release. This issue of dropping support is separate and apart from issue (1) above because the group of cards in (1) are supposedly still supported. Other Thoughts: After Stefan Dirsch handed over the reins of driver maintainer to Bob Walmsley <bob(a)walmsley.com.au> I guess he is now the guy that this should be coordinated through. I am glad to try and help, and to run test cases, etc. since I drew the black bean in laptop selection so let me know if/when there are new cases to test. I follow the ATI driver releases and test each one so I have a good handle on where things stand today. The problem is that Novell needs to use its resources to get a working partner in ATI to address some of these issues. Luugi Marsan <atilinuxnovellbugs(a)ati.com> was in the past the ATI contact, but at present, I haven't a clue who the ATI contact is or even if there is one. Without a good contact, we are dead-in-the-water getting any of these issues addressed and we are guaranteed a significant number of stranded users if these issues are not addressed. Right now the 8-9 driver works fine for 10.3 and 11.0, but unfortunately it is incompatible with 11.1. The ATI issues prevent me, and all others affected, from being able to move to 11.1. Hopefully, if Novell will start now to address some of these driver issues with ATI, then by 11.2 release they have a good chance of ironed out. With a desktop, you can always rip the ATI card out and replace it. With a laptop ... you are kind-of stuck. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Why don't we change to cdrtools ?
by Luis Medinas 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Vladimir Nadvornik <nadvornik(a)suse.cz> wrote: > > On čt 2. července 2009, Luis Medinas wrote: > > Hi > > > > Back in the day that all major distros switched to cdrkit (fork from > > cdrtools) i was one of the maintainers (at the time maintainer on Gentoo > > Linux) that made a decision to ship cdrkit by default and start porting > > applications to cdrkit (brasero and ncb). This decision was mainly to > > follow every distros at the time and get all maintainers together since > > cdrtools switched license and debian maintainers questioned this > > problem[1]. Now days cdrkit development is almost dead[2] and this piece > > of software is full of bugs that noone wants to fix. As a solution i > > propose to review cdrtools license (Sun says it's ok) and replace cdrkit > > by cdrtools on O:F. Joerg (cdrtools author and maintainer) seems much > > more friendly now days and very responsive to the bugs. > > We also have recent packages available on home:/hennichodernich/ > > > > Can we consider this ? > > > > AFAIK cdrtools still have some problems that were solved in cdrkit: > - acessing the device via /dev/sg vs. /dev/sr > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=226019 > > - burning without root or suid > > and AFAIK there is no chance to have this fixed in upstream and > having separate suse patches was against Joerg's GPL. I have cdrtools installed to test with brasero and i have no problems with this. > > But it should be possible to have cdrtools in Factory, in parallel to cdrkit. > The license issues are IMHO solvable. Yeah this would be awesome at least we can choose between the maintained and unmaintained. > > > Also i would like to see libburn on O:F but since it's on X11:XFCE with > > the opening of Factory this package will be merged there am i right ? > > > > > > 1- http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html > > 2- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debburn-changes/ > > > BTW, I am looking for new maintainer for the burning sw (cdrkit, dvd+rw-tools, > cdrdao, ...) because I am changing the possition in Novell and I probably > won't have time to work on this. > I can give some help on this but i would like to have cdrtools on O:F because it fixes lot's of bugs on cdrkit and has new modern features that newer burners support. Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Starting xterm directory
by Patrick Shanahan 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

xterm opens in ~/Documents but I do not know why. I haven't purposefully made that *specific* configuration. konsole opens in ~/ Documents pathname does not exist in /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc.local or ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile ??? It is somewhat agrivating and *is* easily correctible but that shouldn't be necessary.... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Why don't we change to cdrtools ?
by Luis Medinas 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Sid Boyce <sboyce(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > Joerg was adamant that Linux should change to handling CD's his way and no other and after much heated and protracted argument, there was a parting of ways - cdrkit which I thought was in no way based on cdrtools as the license didn't allow it. > Last time I looked, cdrtools was under the CDDL in addition to Joerg's own original license. > I can't see any enthusiasm for having to deal with that author again. > Regards > Sid. The problem is that cdrkit is unmaintained and cdrtools is very active and we can support it better. If there's a problem with the license i think we should research and see if we can use it on O:F or not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Dual display does not work in milestone 3
by Jogchum Reitsma 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

Hi, I installed milestone 3 yesterday on a system with two displays. During installation, both displays showed the same screen - which is as one would expect. But when, at the end of the installation cyclus, the system boots up, I get a 'no signal' on both displays when entering runlevel 5. Rebooting does not help. I can go to console 1, which gives me 1 display. OpenSuse 11.1 handles dual display OK. System is MSI Master 2FAR, two dualcore Opterons, 2GB memory. NVidia GForce 6200. Displays are Iiyama Vision Master Pro 450 and --- 512. Bug, or not yet implemented in this milestone, ore somthing else? regards, Jogchum Reitsma -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] How to propose ttf-wqy-zenhei to the Factory?
by Yu Feng 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

Hi, WenQuanYi ZenHei is a free CJK TypeTrue font for screen display. So far it is the most complete free ttf font. It is already packaged for ubuntu and fedora. I propose we also include it in OpenSuse. Regards, Yu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Why don't we change to cdrtools ?
by Luis Medinas 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

Hi Back in the day that all major distros switched to cdrkit (fork from cdrtools) i was one of the maintainers (at the time maintainer on Gentoo Linux) that made a decision to ship cdrkit by default and start porting applications to cdrkit (brasero and ncb). This decision was mainly to follow every distros at the time and get all maintainers together since cdrtools switched license and debian maintainers questioned this problem[1]. Now days cdrkit development is almost dead[2] and this piece of software is full of bugs that noone wants to fix. As a solution i propose to review cdrtools license (Sun says it's ok) and replace cdrkit by cdrtools on O:F. Joerg (cdrtools author and maintainer) seems much more friendly now days and very responsive to the bugs. We also have recent packages available on home:/hennichodernich/ Can we consider this ? Also i would like to see libburn on O:F but since it's on X11:XFCE with the opening of Factory this package will be merged there am i right ? 1- http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html 2- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debburn-changes/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] KDE4 without pulseaudio
by Mariusz Fik 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

Pulse audio is default backend for phonon, while xine works better with KDE. Is there any chance to make xine as default phonon backend for KDE4 desktop? -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik, openSUSE Community Member

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[opensuse-factory] new devel project proposal
by Philippe Makowski 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

Hi, I'm Philippe Makowski, member of the Firebird project (www.firebirdsql.org) I'm the maintainer of Firebird related packages into Fedora and EPEL I would like to do the same for OpenSuse I made a draft of the pakages into my home project (home:pmakowski) I woul like to push it into factory. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] New channel #openSUSE-server
by Stephen Shaw 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

There was some discussion about a new server cd and server targeted kernel during the the -project meeting today. I proposed a new irc channel that is dedicated to all things server. Anyone that is interested in the server specifically I encourage you to join the channel and spread the word. I think it would be great to have a strong community around the server side of openSUSE. See you all there! Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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