July 2009 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse] General Poor quality of Opensuse
by Dean Hilkewich 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

Peter Nikolic wrote: > > The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more > > than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk > > pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going > > to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to > > work it never chopped the audio > > > > Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be > > a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning > > for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts > > of time , Likewise Nepomuk . > > > Pete . I feel you pain. As a long time user of suse the QC has indeed gone down recently with the forcing of developing projects that are not ready for primetime. It still boggles my mind how much openfate has turned out to be nothing more then service put up for people to vent and project leaders/developers to ignore. These are some of the top issues on it and we are already nearing base system freeze and they have been ignored. Both Pulse and Beagle have been nothing but a royal pain in the ass since introduction. The dropping of KDE 3 was a bad one too for 11.2. Sure you will get the "Well just install it from the build service" replies, but guess what, there has been no way I have been able to find that actually allow a WORKING kde 3 install on the 11.2's. Oh well it's making for a good article on the state of openSUSE for a prominent linux site. Dean Hilkewich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] status distribution
by Stephan Kulow 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

Hi, http://www.suse.de/~coolo/factory-status.html shows a summary of failing packages and if there is action about them. Right now we have just way too many of them and some fixes are left in devel projects - I invite everyone to help out. This huge number of build failures leads to quite some dependency errors in factory tree, but at least OpenOffice was sorted out and currently a new tree is syncing out (updated live cds will hopefully follow soon). My plan is to have Milestone 4 next week once I get the remaining fixes from the devel projects and hopefully get first hybrid ISOs for usb. After that it gets critical, because july ends and august already sees major deadlines. More to this later. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] last update seems to have disabled sshd ??
by Patrick Shanahan 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

The update I made probably yesterday seems to have broken sshd. rcsshd yealds: 00:21 wahoo:~ # rcsshd start Starting SSH daemonstartproc: Usage: startproc [-f] [-L] [[-n ]+/-<prio>] [-s] [-t sec|-T sec] [-u uid] [-g gid] [-v] [-e] \ [-l log|-q|-d] [-p pid_file] [-i ignore_file] [-c root] [-w|-W list] /path/to/executable [args] dmesg show nothing following *will* start sshd, but rcsshd does not show service. /usr/sbin/sshd list of updates from last Saturday thru now available: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/latest.updates.txt tks, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] General Poor quality of Opensuse
by Peter Nikolic 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

I have used Opensuse now for some years since the days of 5.3 in fact and Linux in general well before that since the days of the Early 0.9 kernels all floppy distro no X i also ran Slackware and Red Hat and tested a few more along the way so i know a thing or two about Linux i have even brewed up my own distro at one time . It has to be said now after attempting to get 11.2 MS2 and 11.2 MS3 to play the game the standards of releases has fallen to a new all time low how on earth have you got the front to call these releases anything other than Alpha at best . The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to work it never chopped the audio Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts of time , Likewise Nepomuk . KDE now i actually don't happen to believe all that has been said about the use of or rather almost ENFORCED use of KDE4.x and whilst it is sort of shaping up it will not be ready for the 11.2 release no way too much still don't play ball nice at all and needs sorting a lot to do with multimedia just plain does not work or if it does thanks to the enforced use of that pulseaudio stuff jitters and skips or as happens here when playing a DVD it stops then repeats a sylable carries on for a few seconds then does the same again well i spose if you like Norman Collier that's all well and good i think he's a prat . It seems now that no one actually gives a monkeys about the standards of the releases now that some members of staff have been dispensed with it seems and quite probably others the wrong staff members were dispensed with what is it going to take to get this distro back on track and back to a decent standard , Even the Ill fated 10.0 was far better than 11.2 is right now and arguably better than 11.2 as well. Then we have this whole License thing about codecs and DVD playing software things like DHT as well , People purchase a distro and rightfully so expect to be able to install it bang in a DVD and have it play not go faffing around having to instantly pollute a new install with essentially foreign packages not everyone has a good enough Internet connection to do that any way , maybe it is time for Opensuse to find a new home where German licensing rules don't apply . This mail is aimed squarley at the Opensuse team who o know will call me for everything under the sun plus some it is a two way street don forget i have gripes with quite a few there who's attitudes STINK but i am not interested in them right now , Contray to the comments that will come in from one in perticular a lot of the content of this email will be agreed by a considerable number of people a lot will keep stum they dont want their name to appear thats ok by me some may just get brave enough to agree fair dincum blue but do not for one moment think i am a one off this world is full of people that think one thing and say another for the sake of not standing out There is a lot more i could mention maybe i will shortly but one thing is for sure the situation as of this moment is a total disgrace to the SuSe name and a very poor shadow of it's former good name sort it out people , There is no point being the first ones to release something if it is a complete screwup a little more time in the R&D and less in the sales will work wonders Pete .

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[opensuse-factory] reinstall package with zypper?
by Felix Miata 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

I don't see any option to perform package reinstallation in zypper's help screen. Is it there but I just don't see it? The reason I ask is I updated Factory yesterday, and now KDM offers no option to select _any_ version of KDE, even though both KDE3 (according to rpm query) and KDE4 are installed. KDM only offers previous, custom, icewm, twm & failsafe. There are 3 files in /usr/share/xsessions: icewm.desktop, kde.desktop & twm.desktop. kde.desktop contains KDE3 in Name & Exec, and is 3926 bytes, compared to my 11.0 KDE3 version at 6662 bytes. exec /opt/kde3/bin/startkde fails with no such file. What needs to be reinstalled to get KDE3 back, and put both KDE3 & KDE4 in the KDM menu? -- No Jesus - No peace , Know Jesus - Know Peace Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Installing: kdebase4-runtime-4.2.96-120.1 - kills mount ntfs3g
by David C. Rankin 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Listmates, It looks like the latest update of kdebase4-runtime kills ntfs mount? Here is what occurred during the update: <snip> Installing: kdelibs4-debuginfo-4.2.96-142.2 [done] Retrieving package kdebase4-runtime-4.2.96-120.1.x86_64 (96/199), 7.7 MiB (16.3 MiB unpacked) Retrieving: kdebase4-runtime-4.2.96-120.1.x86_64.rpm [done (66.7 KiB/s)] Installing: kdebase4-runtime-4.2.96-120.1 [done] Additional rpm output: error: failed to stat /windows/C: Transport endpoint is not connected Retrieving package kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre1-9.3.x86_64 (97/199), 286.0 KiB (1.0 MiB unpacked) Retrieving: kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre1-9.3.x86_64.rpm [done (8.5 KiB/s)] Installing: kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre1-9.3 [done] Additional rpm output: error: failed to stat /windows/C: Transport endpoint is not connected Retrieving package konversation-1.2alpha4-27.1.x86_64 (98/199), 872.0 KiB (2.8 MiB unpacked) Retrieving: konversation-1.2alpha4-27.1.x86_64.rpm [done (23.2 KiB/s)] Installing: konversation-1.2alpha4-27.1 [done] Additional rpm output: error: failed to stat /windows/C: Transport endpoint is not connected <snip> I had to manually umount /windows/C and then remount /windows/C to restore the mount. This is the first time this has ever happened. What do the package experts make of this?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] how to get sound, system notifications
by Patrick Shanahan 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

How do I enable sound? Had problems with pulseaudio starting and using eth0 heavily, removed pulseaudio* installed esound-daemon rcesound start fails sound plays in firefox, shoutcast amarok will not do anything w/or without pulseaudio banshee kmplayer last.exit xmms all fail. Personal Settings -> Multimedia -> test works "some of the time"... color me lost :^( -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] protecting sshd from OOM killer
by Daniele 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

Hi, I like the idea: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/tag/oom In debian you can set SSHD_OOM_ADJUST in /etc/init.d/ssh In the suse way, should be in /etc/sysconfig/ssh But watch out: http://www.nabble.com/Bug-480020:-openssh-server:-adjusted-OOM-killer- is-inherited-by-all-child-processes-td17108199.html What do you think about it ? Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Workaround if your UMTS card fails to work
by Gerald Pfeifer 10 Jul '09

10 Jul '09

If your UMTS card does not work with current FACTORY, especially if the card is Nozomi based, you may want to give an older kernel a try. 2.6.30 apparently introduced a regression here, and 2.6.27 runs just fine so far on my FACTORY system. This took me a bit of poking and playing around, which is why I am posting it here in the hope it helps someone. ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507321 ) Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp(a)novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Product Management F +49(911)74053-483 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) SUSE Linux Enterprise, openSUSE, Appliances GF Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] List of valid licenses for packages?
by Michal Vyskocil 10 Jul '09

10 Jul '09

On Thursday 09 of July 2009 11:38:59 Juergen Weigert wrote: > On Jul 09, 09 11:01:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:59:45AM +0200, Michal Vyskocil wrote: > > > On Thursday 09 of July 2009 08:50:54 Ludwig Nussel wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Today I got a bunch of new packages rejected for Factory because of > > > > an inexact license tag in the spec file ("GPL" instead of "GPLv2 or > > > > later"). How is a packager supposed to know? > > The packager currently has no chance to know that. > Only resource was the PDB, which was internal to SUSE. > since we are opening up, the PDB is no longer authorative. > > Until we have a sound set of nstructions in place, including the list of > accepted liense names, we shall be very liberal in what we accept. Can we use http://pack.suse.cz/mvyskocil/licenses.txt as a base of the list? It contains all existing License: fields in SUSE. Simple grep -v ';' licenses.txt should remove packages under several licenses $ grep -v ';' licenses.txt | wc -l 133 But there are still a lot of duplicates like, so some manual review will be necessary Common Public License - v 1.0 Common Public License v1.0 Common Public License v1.0 (CPL) Common Public License Version 1.0 Common Public License Version 1.0 (CPL1.0) It can be implemented also as rpmlint warning, if the License field is not in an exact form. > > Please let me know which packages were rejected. > > > > > What are acceptable > > > > strings in the license tag? Even the example in the wiki¹ has 'GPL'. > > Please also let me know where I could find this example. it is Wrong. > Even the copy of the Fedora Guidelines we have in [2] say, > > >>Fedora packages can no longer simply use "GPL" or "LGPL" in the > >> License: > > field<< > > > > And even some yast2 packages have 'License: GPL' ... > > which ones? I found those packages with GPL: yast2-core/yast2-core.spec:License: GPL yast2-ldap/yast2-ldap.spec:License: GPL yast2-slp/yast2-slp.spec:License: GPL yast2-sound/yast2-sound.spec:License: GPL yast2-transfer/yast2-transfer.spec:License: GPL yast2-vm/yast2-vm.spec:License: GPL yast2/yast2.spec:License: GPL yast2-ntp-client/yast2-ntp-client.spec:License: GPL yast2-repair/yast2-repair.spec:License: GPL yast2-security/yast2-security.spec:License: GPL yast2-sysconfig/yast2-sysconfig.spec:License: GPL > > > > [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/Licensing_Guidelines > > cheers, > JW- Regards Michal Vyskocil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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