August 2014 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] The opensuse-FTT-DVD-x86_64-Build20140807 ISO
by Roman Bysh 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

Hello all, Has anyone downloaded the opensuse-FTT-DVD-x86_64-Build20140807 ISO? Does Yast qt work? Which ISOs should I stick with? Cheers! Roman -------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! -------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: systemd: like choice between BSD/SysV or closer to Win/Mac camps?
by Linda Walsh 10 Aug '14

10 Aug '14

Darren Thompson wrote: > Linda > > I'm not getting involved with the "politics" but answer your specific [[ BTW -- ask anyone who knows me, I'm a VERY apolitic creature... I hate politics... I don't do politics well, I don't dissemble enough. But these days, maybe politics is what people call someone else's reasoning that they don't like or agree with? Traditionally politics has been about giving up this or that to get other things you want. And that seems to be what systemd is all about. To get one or two features that everyone wants, they are willing to accept the 60% they don't want... That's political compromise and that's the politics I hate....... Being forcibly compromised isn't usually considered a good thing. ]] > question: "What was the problem that needed to be solved?" > > 1. The ability to monitor and restart system daemons that fail. ---- Quite reasonable... something I've thought needed for some time -- a service manager... but, as in windows, that is started after boot... > 2. "Port activity" based system startup ---- eh....niche case ... for portables to press play? I think the win8 redesign for portables as it was applied across the windows line sucked. I.e. for desktop users, it was a downgrade. hand-held usage shouldn't be driving the desktop top or the system as a whole. > 3. Reduction in the number of "short lived" processes (mostly shell > scripts) during start-up so more CPU cycles are used for "actual work". ---- Never saw this as a problem. My system boots in half the time under sysVinit as systemd -- but it's a workstation-server. Admittedly, I did (and periodically, do) go through each of the 300 lines in the chkconfig output as well as each boot script and verify what was needed. Many things were run at boot for things that didn't apply to most people's system. But all were run to handle all cases 'out of the box'... > 4. Better tracking of process ownership so that processes can be traced > and killed more eficiently (Via CGroup integration). ---- eh... not a big problem for me, but can see the usefulness of it... a better audit stream would take care of that that shows what descended from what...etc. > > It's surprisingly well dicumetned > here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html > > I don;t recall ever reading the rational of "other" init systems... ---- I think most of them were interested in starting the system reliably and making it easy to maintain. The above problems are not something that needs handling in the way it is being done. ALL of the process tracking could have been handled through the existing audit facilities which allow process tracking -- ownership who spawned what. To claim he needs process 1 to track that demonstrates his ignorance of existing facilities. It sounds like he had some problems, came up with his own solutions in a vacuum and didn't ask what existing methods might already deal with some of them. A service-control manager has been a long time coming -- but having it manage boot, power, time, system priorities... that's way too much. I want to manage most of those other things. If he'd come up with separate products that could be integrated into existing frameworks, it wouldn't have been an issue. What is at issue is that it is ALL or nothing. I don't need 75% of what he's offering. I don't want to give up control of everything he is claiming for his own, in order to get even a 10% benefit. It makes it too hard for me to manage my system. It makes it easier for others to take over my system and manage it for me without my consent -- in ways much more invasive than what Microsoft does. That has me very concerned. His problem list, like his myth list seems padded with strawmen or nice toppings. He does all this and still don't have a solid unified desktop... bleh! Priorities? 1/2 :-) Thanks for the list & pointer (though his website is a bit hard to read...)... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Release candidates in Factory
by Erwin Van de Velde 09 Aug '14

09 Aug '14

Dear all, I would love to use Factory, since I like to get the latest and greatest software. Before coming to openSUSE, I was an ArchLinux user. The main reason for coming to openSUSE was the quest to get a system with recent but stable software. Now I would like to test Factory and I have enough Linux experience to deal with occasional issues, but what I have seen worries me: Factory currently offers a release candidate of the kernel (3.16.0-rc7). If Factory wants to stop being a development and test release, I think it is important to release only packages that have been declared stable by the upstream developers. Beta and RC are still testing versions and do not belong in a rolling release in my opinion. Kind regards, Erwin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] How to use use icons from some theme without uploading it?
by jcsl 09 Aug '14

09 Aug '14

Hi. If I set an icon in a .desktop file I have to upload it. For example, I want to use preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcuts from gnome's icon theme. I think that this doesn't have to be necessary and I'm doing something wrong. Am I right? What is the proper way to do this? Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: 13.2 freeze
by Dominique Leuenberger 08 Aug '14

08 Aug '14

Hi Stephan, Quoting Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)suse.de>: in http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2014-08/msg00013.html > We don't have an official roadmap for 13.2, but the experimental roadmap > I made has a Beta1 release on September 18th. Taking user feedback on the -factory mailing list and release dates of upstream into account, I would like to move that 'back' by abut 2 weeks. * Factory users expect 'released' software in Factory now, no longer betas/RCs * GNOME 3.14.0 release is scheduled for Sep 22; OBS power allowing, we are generally 'on the day ready' with the packaging part as well; so on Sep 23 I can 'submit' this all towards Factory Background processes already running: * GNOME:Next is kept up-to-date (currently 3.13.4) and is being run by the GNOME Team plus, looking at the feedback we get, a couple users as well (the repo structure was announced) * starting with the GNOME 3.13.90 release, we will start forwarding this to GNOME:Factory - to get one step closer * I 'envision' (coolo, please let me know if realistic) that we 'submit' 3.13.90 to openSUSE:Factory 'for staging', but not for actual checkin; so we would get Reviews, Staging fallouts as well as openQA runs. * The same we keep up for .91 (Release 3. Sep 2014), .92 (Release Sep 15 2014 - just 'the freeze date'). * By the time 3.14.0 (Sep 24 2014) are out, we should have a good overview of fallouts due to the previous staging/openQA cycles and should thus be able to 'rather quickly submit' to Factory) But all together, I can't be 'in time for the freeze on Sep 18' The alternative is, of course, to ship openSUSE 13.2 with GNOME 3.12.x (as is in current Factory) What is everybody's view on that one? I'm sure opinions will be heard - let's collect them and see what the 'right thing to do(tm)' will look like. Best regards, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] grub2 question
by Robert Schweikert 08 Aug '14

08 Aug '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, grub2 supports a i386-xen and x86_64-xen format but in our package list we only have a grub2-x86_64-xen package, which to the best of my knowledge contains the modules for this target. SHouldn't there be a grub2-i386-xen package? I am looking into this becasue I am working on using grub2 in ec2 images. Thanks, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead Public Cloud Architect rjschwei(a)suse.com rschweik(a)ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT43i0AAoJEE4FgL32d2UkbT0H+weh2QBbgQlZ+Em0fdoav9c0 JsCCWVZJviVIj9NUw922l68ja1QBL2K7yO2O6R7yt3Wm1HAbDtHILWEko1AAQ8tu 6VOgkvJDxPNz83b7PtRa7355rBbxc7Lpy0HzQKV1oT07/ilq9vCstPEkufCWtgx2 QSMY9zB7Ag8nl4Q6ucGGVPDjultdUCAg0eLrSzIS3rHjNs88kVmYxjxKtpiADUUo sxAhu7K8eSealu3dVrEC2Rs720jhZ5EcosL9z0qk854U2yfwJoFg4uHMs+t45G+2 95Y0yRb+3RJj/sZ3KfYMppFbtHxQpOuXYTY9+ChxBdS6aWbzFyai4sih+K9h61c= =Q82I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Safe to update build 117 of factory?
by Jogchum Reitsma 07 Aug '14

07 Aug '14

Hi, I have installed build 117 of factory on my wife's laptop, as a new installation. Though I didn't do a thorough test, everything seems to work as expected in the last few weeks, except for sound, which is always troublesome in my experience. Question is, would it be safe to do a zypper up on this (only factory repo's activated)? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Kmail 4.14.beta1 problems
by upscope 07 Aug '14

07 Aug '14

I update my Factory installation this week end. Kmail is experiencing several issue. 1) When retrieving mail, it will bring back duplicates of all emails I have received since installing kmail on 13.2.(this includes mail I have deleted or marked as read. It appears the server is not being told the mail was deleted or read. Is there any way I can check and see if the deletion or read indicator is being set? ( I have 13.1 Kmail on my other disk and it does not get the duplicate emails multiple times. 2) After deleting all the mail in the database using Akonadi console, all the message are gone. Kmail 4.14 still thinks there is one message left with the following error shown om the status line at the bottom of screen: [Quote] Unable to fetch item from backend (collection -1) : Unable to retrieve item from resource: <html>Invalid item retrieved</html> [/Quote] I have reinstalled Kmail a couple of times. No Help. Where do I report bugs for KDE mail from factory? Bugzilla or up stream? Thanks for any help. Russ -- openSUSE 13.2(Linux 3.16.0-rc7-2-desktop|Intel(R) Quad Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz|8GB DDR3| GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340-24)|KDE 4.13.80 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] libqt5-qtdeclarative-devel — /usr/bin/qmlscene
by Dmitriy Perlow 07 Aug '14

07 Aug '14

Hello! For some reason qmlscene is packaged in devel subpackage. It is required by https://github.com/Swordifish90/cool-old-term I would like to promote so I would like to move /usr/bin/qmlscene to the main library subpackage or to the separate one. Is it OK? Should/could I do it via a SR? -- Best regards, Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow @ Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] New Package - python3-pylast
by Malcolm 07 Aug '14

07 Aug '14

Hi I would like to introduce python3-pylast to Factory. The package currently is maintained in the devel:languages:python3 repository. This is a python interface to Last.fm and other api-compatible websites such as Libre.fm. The purpose of python3-pylast in factory is for use with the latest version of the Pithos (Pandora Radio client for the GNOME Desktop) package developed in GNOME:Apps and residing in factory. The pylast functionality was split out from the versions > 0.3.17 and Pithos is now at 1.0.0 so is necessary for this version to remain in factory. The upstream package is in development at; https://github.com/pylast/pylast Along with bug tracking etc. -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 13.1 (Bottle) (x86_64) 3.10.1 Kernel 3.11.10-17-desktop up 2 days 21:52, 5 users, load average: 0.06, 0.20, 0.23 CPU Intel® B840(a)1.9GHz | GPU Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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