September 2011 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] Unity 2D
by Nelson Marques 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

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[opensuse-factory] packaging rules
by Alin Marin Elena 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

Hi All, in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations... http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts ..... We shall decide what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule or 2. Apply the rule. Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Religious and political views in packages
by Ralf Lang 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

Hi Jon, thank you for your reply but let's stick to the list and let's not top-post. Am 09.09.2011 23:41, schrieb Jon Rocker: > Here is something to think about. > Is it free software as defined under the FSF? > Is it under the GPL or some other open source license? I don't know about GPLed nazi texts. > If both are true then it shouldn't be a problem now should it.We are an > open source project and community. Those should be the determining > factors not religion or politics or anything else. Just simply is it > open source and judging on technical merit. No, that's not my point. I surely won't judge [enter some despicable content with the exception of gnome here] simply by the rpmlint output. While I have no problem with openSUSE containing religious or pseudo-scientific utilities, I have no problem with the community deciding not to ship certain material either. But I simply referred to the fact that some items of american-style free speech are forbidden or tightly restricted in some European countries. Yes, it involves additional caution to use a product which contains these and it may or may not be judged by the community that it's worth the trouble. Just like there have been export restrictions on cryptography. > Well what if somebody suggested the inclusion of Nazi > texts in openSUSE? Would it be then valid to say > "if you do not want it, just do not install it"? > > It depends. Some of these are forbidden or at least restricted in > access in some countries. > On the original topic: As long as the wording is carefully chosen, let's just add these tools. I won't use them anyway. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Missing Broadband provider.
by Roger Luedecke 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

When trying to set up my Mobile Broadband, it no longer shows Verizon. Thus, I cannot use my Mobile Broadband now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] canonical way for mysql database creation?
by Ralf Lang 11 Sep '11

11 Sep '11

Hi list, is there a canonical way to provide easy setup for application databases say in mysql? I have invested some time into a suse-centric commandline installer for horde 4 and it works sufficiently well to be included with the distribution soon but it only works if the user already created a database and a users. Before I go ahead and reinvent the wheel, how would yast or KDE or whoever uses databases as backends do it? I would not want to make assumptions about free database/user names or how (if) the db admin user's password is set. -- Ralf Lang Linux Consultant / Developer B1 Systems GmbH Osterfeldstraße 7 / 85088 Vohburg / http://www.b1-systems.de GF: Ralph Dehner / Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg / AG: Ingolstadt,HRB 3537 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] nothing provides python-openssl
by Ilya Chernykh 11 Sep '11

11 Sep '11

Is it designed so? Is there a replacement? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] X11-Xorg for factory is still at 1.9.3
by Vincent Lejeune 11 Sep '11

11 Sep '11

Hi, xorg-x11-server in Factory is still at 1.9.3 release ; however latest stable release is in 1.10.x branch.... As feature freeze is 2 weeks away, and as an xorg update is not trivial, does that mean that openSUSE 12.1 will keep a 11 months old xorg server in november ? I'm encountering issue with obsolete GL_PROTO extension when trying to compile Mesa from master because of that. Regards, Vincent -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-project] packaging rules
by Alin Marin Elena 11 Sep '11

11 Sep '11

This thread is for a discussion on a rule on content of packages and not on content per se... please stay on subject. for your opinions on religion please use your private parties if you have co*ones. If we, the community, decide the rule stands some packages will have to go... if the rule goes... some new packages shall be welcomed... in our education package... just keep in mind that tolerance to intolerance is not a sign of being wise... it means just you are an idiot... Alin ***to NM... man you smoke something strong... please let us know what it is so we can enjoy it too ***at the moment there are different versions of the bible, full text offered by sword- related project -- see the sword thread for specifics... and they, at the moment, break the rule.. we, the community, established. -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-factory] run commands as system user
by Robert Xu 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

Hi all, How can I run a command as a system user? (because su - systemuser -c "command" doesn't work ...) -- Robert Xu + Linux is awesome; don't doubt what it can do + rxu(at)lincomlinux(dotttttt)org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 12.1m5 - FIBMAP and modem-manager ?
by Per Jessen 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

I've just installed 12.1M5 on a plain HP Compaq office machine - after logging in (KDE), and swapping to virtual console 1, I see a slew (maybe 50) of message "FIBMAP: Invalid argument". Second, a little later I see a pile of messages from "modem-manager" about plugins being loaded. I tried "man modem-manager", but found no man-page - there are no modems on this box, what's the modem-manager thingie up to? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] openSUSE-images unresolvable
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

Hello, I found lots of broken packages at [1] [1]https://build.opensuse.org/stage/project/monitor?project=openSUSE%3AFacto… In the section[2], it seems a fix to a package may resolve many similar broken packages. e.g kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 Cheers Glenn [2] The list consisted of the following from section openSUSE-images:unresolvable: nothing provides libgcr-3-0 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libcamel-1_2-28 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libebook-1_2-11 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libecal-1_2-9 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libedata-book-1_2-10 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libedata-cal-1_2-12 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libedataserver-1_2-14 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libfolks-libsocialweb24 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libfolks-telepathy24 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libfolks24 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libtracker-extract-0_11-0 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libtracker-miner-0_11-0 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides libtracker-sparql-0_11-0 needed by package-lists-openSUSE-images, nothing provides PackageKit = 0.6.17-3.1 needed by PackageKit-branding-openSUSE, nothing provides gconf2 = 3.1.4-1.3 needed by gconf2-branding-openSUSE, nothing provides libgtk-2_0-0 = 2.24.5-1.5 needed by gtk2-branding-openSUSE, nothing provides gtk2 = 2.24.5 needed by gtk2-engines, nothing provides libebook-1.2.so.11()(64bit) needed by bug-buddy, nothing provides libebook-1.2.so.11()(64bit) needed by empathy, nothing provides libfolks-telepathy.so.24()(64bit) needed by empathy, nothing provides libfolks.so.24()(64bit) needed by empathy, nothing provides libgcr-3.so.0()(64bit) needed by empathy, nothing provides libedataserver-1.2.so.14()(64bit) needed by evolution-webcal, nothing provides gdm = 3.1.2-5.4 needed by gdm-branding-openSUSE, nothing provides gnome-menus = 3.0.1-5.3 needed by gnome-menus-branding-openSUSE, nothing provides gnome-panel = 3.0.2-4.2 needed by gnome-panel-branding-openSUSE, nothing provides libedataserver-1.2.so.14()(64bit) needed by gnome-shell, nothing provides libecal-1.2.so.9()(64bit) needed by gnome-shell, nothing provides libtracker-sparql-0.11.so.0()(64bit) needed by grilo-plugins, nothing provides libkipi8 = 4.7.0 needed by gwenview, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by kdeartwork4-screensaver, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by kdenetwork4-filesharing, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by kdnssd, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by kget, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by kompare, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by krdc, nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.7.1 needed by krfb, nothing provides libfolks-telepathy.so.24()(64bit) needed by nautilus-sendto-plugin-empathy, nothing provides libfolks.so.24()(64bit) needed by nautilus-sendto-plugin-empathy, nothing provides libgcr-3.so.0()(64bit) needed by nautilus-sendto-plugin-empathy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-project] Religious and political views in packages
by Alin Marin Elena 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

> If we, as a project, did not add a software like this one, I > would consider it offensive. Simply because people who are religious > would not be able to work with openSUSE and their Bible study > software. let us be clear... we setup rules... and we shall stand by them or change them not brake them.. this software obviously breaks the rules of what can be built on obs... If you want to discuss the rule of not allowing religious texts you are welcome. what you propose is to break the rule... and I cannot consent to that Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-factory] kbd and Cyrillic fonts
by Kyrill Detinov 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

Monday 05 September 2011 Hello. We have two open bugs since 11.4. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713331 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713332 -- WBR Kyrill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Wine repos for obsolete openSUSE versions
by todd rme 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

I notice the Emulators:Wine project is still building for unsupported openSUSE version (going all the way back to 11.0). Is this intentional? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] EFI Partition (installing)
by Günther J. Niederwimmer 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

Hello, I check in the moment a EFI installation and I found that YaST2 don't let me create a bigger Partition than 156 MB (M5)? In my understanding, for Update elilo to grub2-efi, I must have a bigger Partition? I don't found any, by my search over EFI, that this partition must be 156 MB? The next question is, have any installed (tested) EFI with a existing Win 7 EFI installation? a Friend have a Intel DX58SO2 with EFI Win 7 Installation and he await eagerly the 12.1 is finish ;) The Intel Bios from the DX58SO2 have no EFI Boot menu, so I hope this is working withe grub2-efi? -- mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards, Günther J. Niederwimmer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Testing: DVD vs. CD and kernel 3.0
by Roger Luedecke 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

I vaguely remember saying I would do some testing, but as I need my computers to be functional and they are too weak to run a VM this hadn't come to fruition; until now. I was checking out Mandriva, and though it had a lot of promise it sucked in critical ways... thus I had to reinstall. For some reason all I had was a CD ISO of openSUSE. Which was fine since I wanted to get some fresh notes between the discrepancies of the DVD and CD installs. In the course of the first reinstall I decided to try Kernel 3.0 since the reviews were positive enough for me to feel safe To keep it simple here is a list, plus I'm a little drunk. KPackageKit/Updater Does not work in DVD install (at all), works perfectly in CD install(everything). NetworkManager DVD install ye olde KNetworkManager, CD installs Plasmoid. I remember from before there being discrepancies in the behavior of samba betweenst the two. As I have no systems on the network that are able to communicate in that fashion anymore, I cannot pinpoint these. I did however get some help from a fellow on IRC for getting samba to work between openSUSE and my roomies Mac. He was very helpful, I would recommend somebody trying to get some feedback from him on samba. He is "kukks" on IRC. **** **** **** My experience with Kernel 3.0 was fairly positive. Power consumption was down, heat was down, noise was down. Speed slightly up. Weird 30 second countdown in the boot, "connecting." Only managed to load RPM NVidia driver once. I found no application anomalies with using that kernel. I hear there are some vicious problems with the Sandy Bridge architectures, and would recommend adding some sort of release notes to the SUSE welcomer thingy that pops up after a fresh install. I attempted Tumbleweed and got alot of strange errors in the boot process, but since I was having trouble getting to a graphical interface to begin with (thanks to removing the Nouveau driver) I could not be sure if they were critical. Some miscellaneous notes: It seems the brcm80211 driver has come a long way, since it isn't causing any kernel panics anymore. However, it behaved typically off the LiveCD... but after installed behaves superior to the WL driver. This could be due to upgraded kernel (I don't think so) or because its pulling configuration from the unformatted /home partition. I must make note, that whatever the reason it works correctly it is faster by a wide margin to connect to the WIFI. Nouveau is much much better. I imagine that in a years time I may no longer bother to install the proprietary driver. I have discovered some boot arguments that make my netbook run cooler, and the reports all over the web are similar. acpi_osi=Windows or Linux have a cooling effect... they seem to both be equal. There was another one that I was made aware of that I observed no definite effect from; I'll look it up later. I would have suggested that maybe we should include those arguments in future installs, but 3.0 handles power better for the most part (unless you have sandy-bridge) so it may not be relevant anymore. I think this is everything ATM. I will append this if I remember other things. Om namah Shivaaya! Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] systemd and not powering off the system
by Robert Kaiser 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

Hi, Since I switched from sysvinit to systemd on my Factory system, I notice that it fails to power down after a shutdown, while it did that OK before. Now, it just sits there and tells me the system has been halted but leaves it running. Is that a configuration problem or a systemd-related bug? I found none on file in Bugzilla as a dependency of the "systemd by default" bug, so I wanted to ask here if it's just a one-off. (I found a bug for my second problem, which is apache not starting properly, so I won't complain about that here.) Cheers, Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Any words on Plymouth and 12.1 ?
by Nelson Marques 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

Like the subject states: "Any word on Plymouth and 12.1" ? Jeff, still working on Plymouth? NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] how come
by Donn Washburn 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

could this becausing part of the compile problems. Two same files with different sizes. Which one is correct? -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb(a)comcast.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb(a)arrl.net " VoIP via Skype:n5xwbg BMWMOA #:4146 Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316

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[opensuse-factory] lizards.opensuse.org broken?
by Roger Luedecke 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

I can't sign in, and when I click sign up nothing happens... is it broken? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Systemd experiences (was How to enable systemd at installation time)
by Vahis 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

I have now enabled systemd more or less successfully in an M5 running in VBox. Some things and probs that I have ran into: This installation runs in Oracle VBox and I'm used to run also their guest additions. So normally always after a kernel installation I run a script of theirs, 'VBoxLinuxAdditions.run' which has always worked. It did now, but not when booted with (F5) systemd. I booted the default way then and this script did its job normally. A reboot with systemd and I was in business :) There have been some persistent errors in '/var/log/messages' though: Sep 3 11:08:44 121 SuSEfirewall2: Setting up rules from /etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall2 ... Sep 3 11:08:47 121 SuSEfirewall2: Error: iptables-batch failed, re-running using iptables Sep 3 11:08:48 121 SuSEfirewall2: Error: ip6tables-batch failed, re-running using ip6tables Sep 3 11:08:50 121 SuSEfirewall2: Firewall rules successfully set The above and some others appears frequently: Sep 2 12:03:48 a88-112-25-185 gnomesu-pam-backend: pam_systemd(gnomesu-pam:session): Failed to create session: Invalid argument Sep 3 11:41:09 121 sudo: pam_systemd(sudo:session): Failed to parse message: Message has only 3 arguments, but more were expected Sep 3 11:10:11 121 systemd[1]: Unit NetworkManager.service entered failed state. Sep 3 11:10:11 121 systemd[1]: Unit dev-sda1.swap entered failed state. Sep 3 11:10:11 121 systemd[1]: Job remote-fs.target/start failed with result 'dependency'. Sep 3 11:10:11 121 systemd[1]: Unit data5.mount entered failed state. Sep 3 11:10:14 121 systemd[1]: Unit home-mcman-waxborg_home.mount entered failed state. Sep 3 11:10:14 121 systemd[1]: Unit data1.mount entered failed state. Sep 3 11:10:14 121 systemd[1]: Unit data75.mount entered failed state. Sep 3 11:11:40 121 systemd[1]: Unit NetworkManager.service entered failed state. Sep 3 11:11:40 121 systemd[1]: Unit dev-sda1.swap entered failed state. Sep 3 11:11:41 121 systemd[1]: Unit data1.mount entered failed state. Sep 3 11:11:41 121 systemd[1]: Unit nfs.service entered failed state. Then I thought I'd boot the default way to see how everything goes. The NFS client lost all shares. # mount -a Starting rpc.statd ... portmapper not running failed mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. mount.nfs: Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start statd. mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified Starting rpc.statd ... portmapper not running failed mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. mount.nfs: Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start statd. mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified Starting rpc.statd ... portmapper not running failed mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. mount.nfs: Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start statd. mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified And tens of other stuff. I guess I'll revert to snapshot before systemd and wait for a while. This is interesting and I'm interested in testing but I guess I would need to know what exctly is meant to be achieved with systemd. It must be good, why otherwise would it be pushed, but my skills ran out, sorry for that. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.2 (x86_64) 2.6.31.14-0.8-default "Evergreen" main host openSUSE 12.1 Milestone 5 (x86_64) 3.0.0-4-desktop in VirtualBox openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.0.4-43-desktop "Tumbleweed" in EeePC 900 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Have builds of openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0nnn-Media.iso stopped ?
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

Hello Have builds of openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0nnn-Media.iso stopped ? The reason I ask is the last built images I see are: - openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0263-Media.iso 06-Sep-2011 08:33 4.2G - openSUSE-DVD-i586-Build0270-Media.iso 08-Sep-2011 02:55 3.7G Source:http://openqa.opensuse.org/opensuse/factory/iso/ Cheers Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Taking notes from Mandriva.
by Roger Luedecke 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

Taking Notes from Mandriva I recently caught wind that a new version of Mandriva was released. Having checked out the last version on the advice of a good friend, and having been underwhelmed by it I took a look again to see if I could see the magic he spoke of to me. Overall this was indeed a much better release, and were it not for a few show-stopping bugs it may very well have remained on my beloved netbook. One interesting thing of note is that Mandriva has discontinued their multiple versions. They have even abandoned the Gnome environment in favor of KDE. However, their approach was quite unique. Clearly like I had, they too took away some interesting ideas away from Gnome3; and like me were not willing to suffer the bugs. There were a couple interface elements of note. They replaced Kickoff with an interesting full screen ordeal with a document time-line view called SimpleWelcome. Though many don't like the shifting paradigm of including smart phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop, I found its layout mostly comfortable on my tiny netbook. It is very reminiscent of Gnome3. This was part of their new default Plasma panel called RocketBar. The RocketBar is not terribly different from the upstream default, with the exception of SimpleWelcome. I personally did like that their Task Manager was designed so as to only show the application icon, and not a description. As I am fond of docks, I liked this. This is something that should be integrated into the Task Manager as a option. When my friend first told me of Mandriva, he told me that it was all about the eye-candy and polish. This latest release was certainly a good example of that. With a gorgeous new GTK based widget theme, and a simple but elegant set of icons and window decoration Mandriva managed to distinguish itself. But even before that, it is distinguished in its beautiful boot splash, KDM theme, and finally the login splash. Here we can take some pointers seeing as the presentation is encouraging to the new user. They see polish and anticipate a professional distribution. It is of course not a major technological point... but then success rarely comes to the best, but rather to the clever. Now for a brief review of what was under the hood. Mandriva has switched to using systemD, which though not a very obviously faster boot from HD is brilliant when having to boot from Live media. Frankly the prior release of Mandriva was the very very slowest Live boot ever from USB... now it is second in live boot speed only to Fedora. Once again, this may not be critical but it helps. Especially since openSUSE is slow enough when booting from live media as it is, making people think the installer or live boot has frozen. Mandriva also uses the Plymouth splash, which seeing as it resembles the last splash nearly identically I assume it used last time. Since I am unfamiliar with Plymouth vs. Splashy I can only say one should go take a look. There were two show stopping bugs for me, one which we share in some degree. That being the issue with overheating. In Mandriva the overheating was extreme enough to shut my netbook down. From what I understand this is caused by a poor ACPI implementation. One thing that has helped is to add a line pertaining to ACPI into the grub boot options string. We may want to add one of these parameters by default. I apologize for the verbosity of my letter, but considering the number of points I wished to bring up felt it necessary. So in an effort to relieve tedium, I hope my letter has been as engaging of a read as I hoped. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] systemd or not systemd - todays bug?
by jdd 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

Hello, I have two factory boot: one with systemd on the kernel command line, and the very same one, but without the option. after a today zypper dup (only complaining about some libreoffice library), the one with systemd option do not find the harddrive so no log), but the version without systemd boots perfectly That said, my /var/log/messages is full of systemd calls! (here the end: Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 systemd[1]: Child 7672 died (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 systemd[1]: Child 7672 belongs to network.service Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 systemd[1]: network.service: control process exited, code=exited status=0 Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 systemd[1]: network.service got final SIGCHLD for state stop Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 systemd[1]: network.service changed stop -> dead Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 systemd[1]: Job network.service/stop finished, result=done Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. Sep 7 13:43:15 linux-lpd0 rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.4" x-pid="899" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] exiting on signal 15. ) so I wonder if systemd is now default? if not may I fill a bug report for the other one (the one that stops at HDD not found) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] (most likely) kiwi broke x86_64 factory
by Stephan Kulow 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

Hi, If you zypper dup your factory installation, don't be suprised if zypper suggests to reinstall your system as 32bit - the current FTP tree has no x86_64 packages that zypper would see. Most likely cause of this is a new kiwi checked in yesterday, so hopefully it's easy enough to fix. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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