Do we want to add another relatively large/important item to our TODO list for 12.1?

Well, it's not like Plymouth is new or anything. It's been postponed over and over again.

I say stick with systemd integration for this release and then Plymouth for the next release. Huh? Wasn't systemd just postponed to 12.2? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

I can only guess there is a reason it's not pushed to factory. One possible reason I can think of is that it's not ready yet.

Well, systemd was pushed when it was not ready at all. PulseAudio is still no ready yet and in oS since years. ;-) All I know is that the current splash implementation does not display at all on my work PC with Radeon GPU. Plymouth can't be worse than that ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 5. September 2011, 11:37:27 schrieb Markus Slopianka:

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I can only guess there is a reason it's not pushed to factory. One possible reason I can think of is that it's not ready yet.

Well, systemd was pushed when it was not ready at all. PulseAudio is still no ready yet and in oS since years. ;-)

PA works for me. Systemd is a difficult matter but I'm tired of discussing it. The dice have long been rolled.

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All I know is that the current splash implementation does not display at all on my work PC with Radeon GPU.

Ticket?

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Plymouth can't be worse than that ;-)

Why potentially break something for the rest just because it's broken for you now?

Maybe somebody fixes it in time and then it can be pushed to make us all happy. Biggest advantage I have seen using systemd is when booting from live media. Without it, the boot time is painful. With Plymouth... if itsn't too much of a

On Monday, September 05, 2011 02:44:54 AM Ralf Lang wrote: pain or cause system instability. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 09/05/2011 07:06 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2011/09/05 11:44 (GMT+0200) Ralf Lang composed:

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it can be pushed to make us all happy.

That's impossible, unless its removal turns out to be a whole lot less destructive and more thorough than it is on Mandriva or Fedora. Nothing about Plymouth can make me happy. I'm only happy when traditional boot messages show up on tty1 same as before Plymouth and its predecessors, in the same non-GUI video mode that tty[1-6] ultimately use to print legible text.

I personally knows spyhawk, who start trying to package plymouth in openSUSE last year. There's a lot of step that need to be resolved to get it inside. First is seems to not work so well or even not at all with all proprio drivers like nvidia and fglrx. (Can free driver compete actually : it seems not in the 3d world and accelerated needs that our 2 main desktop need like kde4x and Gnome3x ) Then it need also quite amount of patch against kdm/gdm/lightdm/xdm and those seems to be the most problematic. In the meantime spyhawk has to change some of his priority (work mainly) but confess that was a terrible time ... One day perhaps I will have the final word about this story. But the first step is to find a brave (dumb?) contributors that are able to package plymouth and then we will be able to give it a try. Best time, next week in osc11, there's several packaging workshop, and you can meet most of the key people in Nuremberg. ps : to those who mix a bit thing, we are using bootsplash actually for the whole start/end sequence. splashy is only used and linked against the suspend things. (and yes sucks actually) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 09/05/2011 11:50 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On 09/05/2011 07:06 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/09/05 11:44 (GMT+0200) Ralf Lang composed:

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it can be pushed to make us all happy.

That's impossible, unless its removal turns out to be a whole lot less destructive and more thorough than it is on Mandriva or Fedora. Nothing about Plymouth can make me happy. I'm only happy when traditional boot messages show up on tty1 same as before Plymouth and its predecessors, in the same non-GUI video mode that tty[1-6] ultimately use to print legible text.

I personally knows spyhawk, who start trying to package plymouth in openSUSE last year. There's a lot of step that need to be resolved to get it inside. First is seems to not work so well or even not at all with all proprio drivers like nvidia and fglrx. (Can free driver compete actually : it seems not in the 3d world and accelerated needs that our 2 main desktop need like kde4x and Gnome3x ) Then it need also quite amount of patch against kdm/gdm/lightdm/xdm and those seems to be the most problematic.

In the meantime spyhawk has to change some of his priority (work mainly) but confess that was a terrible time ...

One day perhaps I will have the final word about this story. But the first step is to find a brave (dumb?) contributors that are able to package plymouth and then we will be able to give it a try. Best time, next week in osc11, there's several packaging workshop, and you can meet most of the key people in Nuremberg.

ps : to those who mix a bit thing, we are using bootsplash actually for the whole start/end sequence. splashy is only used and linked against the suspend things. (and yes sucks actually) The install of the NVidia proprietary driver breaks the VGA mode passed to

On Monday, September 05, 2011 12:59:58 PM Bruno Friedmann wrote: plymouth. It is rather simple to fix though. We could package with the RPM fro the driver a small script that repairs that change so that the user sees no change.

My quadro start in full hd screen 1920x1080 (even the grub splash) and bootsplash use the what I indicate as vga mode vga=0x34d For sure, this mode is proposed natively by my gfx. I never see the nvidia installer trying to change those params -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Doesn't the nvidia driver supports KMS? Because if it does, then you SHOULD NOT pass any VGA mode at all... that's one of th enice things on KMS. 2011/9/5 Roger Luedecke :

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On 09/05/2011 07:06 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/09/05 11:44 (GMT+0200) Ralf Lang composed:

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it can be pushed to make us all happy.

That's impossible, unless its removal turns out to be a whole lot less destructive and more thorough than it is on Mandriva or Fedora. Nothing about Plymouth can make me happy. I'm only happy when traditional boot messages show up on tty1 same as before Plymouth and its predecessors, in the same non-GUI video mode that tty[1-6] ultimately use to print legible text.

I personally knows spyhawk, who start trying to package plymouth in openSUSE last year. There's a lot of step that need to be resolved to get it inside. First is seems to not work so well or even not at all with all proprio drivers like nvidia and fglrx. (Can free driver compete actually : it seems not in the 3d world and accelerated needs that our 2 main desktop need like kde4x and Gnome3x ) Then it need also quite amount of patch against kdm/gdm/lightdm/xdm and those seems to be the most problematic.

In the meantime spyhawk has to change some of his priority (work mainly) but confess that was a terrible time ...

One day perhaps I will have the final word about this story. But the first step is to find a brave (dumb?) contributors that are able to package plymouth and then we will be able to give it a try. Best time, next week in osc11, there's several packaging workshop, and you can meet most of the key people in Nuremberg.

ps : to those who mix a bit thing, we are using bootsplash actually for the whole start/end sequence. splashy is only used and linked against the suspend things. (and yes sucks actually) The install of the NVidia proprietary driver breaks the VGA mode passed to

On Monday, September 05, 2011 12:59:58 PM Bruno Friedmann wrote: plymouth. It is rather simple to fix though. We could package with the RPM fro the driver a small script that repairs that change so that the user sees no change. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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On Mittwoch 07 September 2011 18:59:31 Nelson Marques wrote:

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Doesn't the nvidia driver supports KMS? Because if it does, then you SHOULD NOT pass any VGA mode at all... that's one of th enice things on KMS.

The proprietary driver does not support KMS. Nouveau does, however. Since Nouveau (incl. Nouveau 3D) became pretty good in recent months, I wouldn't bother keeping the proprietary driver as top priority. It should be able to install but that's it. (IMHO) Nouveau has come a bloody long way. I have had to fix Plymouth splashes before, and its not that hard to do... just a matter of adding a VGA mode in Grub. We wil hear alot of complaints about peoples splashes breaking after installing NVidia, so we just need to make sure we are ready to point them to correct info. Also, Plymouth defaults to an Ascii splash if it can't go VGA...

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On Mittwoch 07 September 2011 20:15:00 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Plymouth defaults to an Ascii splash if it can't go VGA... this could be a fun opportunity to put in some retro Ascii art.

Can't it just fall back to Splashy if anyone really cares about pretty boot for 'nvidia' users? I don't think so, but once again... Plymouth DOES work with NVidia... it just needs a VGA=blabla parameter in Grub to reenable it. Not a big deal, a simple fix. And, we may be able to bundle a bit of script in the NVidia RPM to append

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2011/9/5 Bruno Friedmann :

On 09/05/2011 07:06 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/09/05 11:44 (GMT+0200) Ralf Lang composed:

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it can be pushed to make us all happy.

That's impossible, unless its removal turns out to be a whole lot less destructive and more thorough than it is on Mandriva or Fedora. Nothing about Plymouth can make me happy. I'm only happy when traditional boot messages show up on tty1 same as before Plymouth and its predecessors, in the same non-GUI video mode that tty[1-6] ultimately use to print legible text.

I personally knows spyhawk, who start trying to package plymouth in openSUSE last year. There's a lot of step that need to be resolved to get it inside.

And if I am not mistaken, Jeff Mahooney has done it here: * https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Ajeff_mahoney%3Abetter...

First is seems to not work so well or even not at all with all proprio drivers like nvidia and fglrx.

It does work with Catalyst as long as you have the vga=0x??? entry, in Fedora and openSUSE at least (manual install).

(Can free driver compete actually : it seems not in the 3d world and accelerated needs that our 2 main desktop need like kde4x and Gnome3x ) Then it need also quite amount of patch against kdm/gdm/lightdm/xdm and those seems to be the most problematic.

GDM in openSUSE 11.4 was already patched for it if I'm not mistaken. KDM required the patch to be re-writted in a proper way because it was a nasty hack, I'm not doing it, because I don't even use the bloody thing.

In the meantime spyhawk has to change some of his priority (work mainly) but confess that was a terrible time ...

I'm not sure on the progress with Jeff, but it seems that even systemd integration is done. See above.

One day perhaps I will have the final word about this story. But the first step is to find a brave (dumb?) contributors that are able to package plymouth and then we will be able to give it a try. Best time, next week in osc11, there's several packaging workshop, and you can meet most of the key people in Nuremberg.

ps : to those who mix a bit thing, we are using bootsplash actually for the whole start/end sequence. splashy is only used and linked against the suspend things. (and yes sucks actually)

If you allow me a flame... So much care about systemd and too much focus on having a faster booting system, and you leave the crap software which takes 2 whole secs for a dumb splash ? :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 5 September 2011 03:06, Markus Slopianka wrote:

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Do we want to add another relatively large/important item to our TODO list for 12.1?

Well, it's not like Plymouth is new or anything. It's been postponed over and over again.

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I say stick with systemd integration for this release and then Plymouth for the next release. Huh? Wasn't systemd just postponed to 12.2?

I have not heard of that. I think it was just being enabled in Factory by default now (-ish).

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