Re: [opensuse-factory] Religious and political views in packages

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Ralf Lang

9 Sep 2011 9 Sep '11

22:09

Hi Jon, thank you for your reply but let's stick to the list and let's not top-post. Am 09.09.2011 23:41, schrieb Jon Rocker:

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Here is something to think about. Is it free software as defined under the FSF? Is it under the GPL or some other open source license?

I don't know about GPLed nazi texts.

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If both are true then it shouldn't be a problem now should it.We are an open source project and community. Those should be the determining factors not religion or politics or anything else. Just simply is it open source and judging on technical merit.

No, that's not my point. I surely won't judge [enter some despicable content with the exception of gnome here] simply by the rpmlint output. While I have no problem with openSUSE containing religious or pseudo-scientific utilities, I have no problem with the community deciding not to ship certain material either. But I simply referred to the fact that some items of american-style free speech are forbidden or tightly restricted in some European countries. Yes, it involves additional caution to use a product which contains these and it may or may not be judged by the community that it's worth the trouble. Just like there have been export restrictions on cryptography.

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Well what if somebody suggested the inclusion of Nazi texts in openSUSE? Would it be then valid to say "if you do not want it, just do not install it"?

It depends. Some of these are forbidden or at least restricted in access in some countries.

On the original topic: As long as the wording is carefully chosen, let's just add these tools. I won't use them anyway. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Ilya Chernykh

10 Sep 10 Sep

06:36

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On Saturday 10 September 2011 02:09:54 Ralf Lang wrote:

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Am 09.09.2011 23:41, schrieb Jon Rocker:

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Here is something to think about. Is it free software as defined under the FSF? Is it under the GPL or some other open source license?

I don't know about GPLed nazi texts.

Well if they were published > 70 years ago, they are in PD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Joerg.Schilling＠fokus.fraunhofer.de

15:02

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Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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I don't know about GPLed nazi texts.

Well if they were published > 70 years ago, they are in PD.

Speculations don't help people..... A work becomes "Gemeinfrei" 70 years after the death of the Author. "Mein Kampf" would have become Gemeinfrei May 1st 1995 bacause at that time, the time frame has been 50 years but then (for this reason and because of a special wish from Disney) two years before, the time was extended by 20 years. If this does not happen again, the next date will be May 1st 2015. In any case, "Geimeinfrei" does not mean that other people could claim authorship (without modifying it first) and set up a license like the GPL. So please come back to reality..... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Robert Xu

16:24

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package? -- Robert Xu + Linux is awesome; don't doubt what it can do + rxu(at)lincomlinux(dotttttt)org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

16:27

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* Robert Xu [09-10-11 12:26]:

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package?

using that criterion we would never have KDE4.... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

phanisvara das

16:30

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:54:24 +0530, Robert Xu wrote:

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package?

yeah; nothing more difficult, it seems, than letting people believe and think what they like. it used to be the church taking it upon themselves to tell people what's acceptable and what not; now it's the other way around: you aren't allowed to believe anymore, at least not where others can see. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

17:01

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On Saturday, September 10, 2011 09:30:34 AM phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:54:24 +0530, Robert Xu wrote:

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package?

yeah; nothing more difficult, it seems, than letting people believe and think what they like. it used to be the church taking it upon themselves to tell people what's acceptable and what not; now it's the other way around: you aren't allowed to believe anymore, at least not where others can see. Well then, I would like to include a copy of Bhagavad Gita software, and a

collection of 3D hindu deity models. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

phanisvara das

17:06

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:31:35 +0530, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Saturday, September 10, 2011 09:30:34 AM phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:54:24 +0530, Robert Xu wrote:

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package?

yeah; nothing more difficult, it seems, than letting people believe and think what they like. it used to be the church taking it upon themselves to tell people what's acceptable and what not; now it's the other way around: you aren't allowed to believe anymore, at least not where others can see.

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Well then, I would like to include a copy of Bhagavad Gita software, and a collection of 3D hindu deity models.

please go ahead by all means. doesn't matter to me if it's in factory, education, or your home on OBS; i'd certainly install it. :) -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

18:10

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:31:35 +0530, Roger Luedecke

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On Saturday, September 10, 2011 09:30:34 AM phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:54:24 +0530, Robert Xu

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package?

yeah; nothing more difficult, it seems, than letting people believe and think what they like. it used to be the church taking it upon themselves to tell people what's acceptable and what not; now it's the other way around: you aren't allowed to believe anymore, at least not where others can see.

Well then, I would like to include a copy of Bhagavad Gita software, and a collection of 3D hindu deity models.

please go ahead by all means. doesn't matter to me if it's in factory, education, or your home on OBS; i'd certainly install it. :) It seems that "Education" is the right repo for all these sorts of things, or if that doesn't mesh quite right, to create a "library" repo for all such

On Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:06:02 AM phanisvara das wrote: things... like Sword, or Zekr, or who knows what else. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

phanisvara das

18:24

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:40:36 +0530, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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It seems that "Education" is the right repo for all these sorts of things, or if that doesn't mesh quite right, to create a "library" repo for all such things... like Sword, or Zekr, or who knows what else.

that sounds exactly right to me. it's nothing to do with openSUSE as such, but it's something people want to use. the only criteria should be legality, IMO. if it's not available at all, you'll only drive people to other distros or M$. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

20:37

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:40:36 +0530, Roger Luedecke

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It seems that "Education" is the right repo for all these sorts of things, or if that doesn't mesh quite right, to create a "library" repo for all such things... like Sword, or Zekr, or who knows what else.

that sounds exactly right to me. it's nothing to do with openSUSE as such, but it's something people want to use. the only criteria should be legality, IMO. if it's not available at all, you'll only drive people to other distros or M$. Exactly agreed. I'm not perfectly sure what the brouhaha was about including it in factory, except that some people assume that means it would wind up on

On Saturday, September 10, 2011 11:24:10 AM phanisvara das wrote: the DVD, which is not the case. But I think by creating a repo that functions like a public library would, we can get around the need to even change offensive descriptions in the packages. And we certainly need to come up with some sort of solution, since just about everyone got butthurt for some reason or another. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

12 Sep 12 Sep

07:22

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On 9/10/2011 12:30 PM, phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:54:24 +0530, Robert Xu wrote:

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Now, this discussion is proof of why this package shouldn't get into openSUSE repositories. See all the discussion that has been generated by this single package?

yeah; nothing more difficult, it seems, than letting people believe and think what they like. it used to be the church taking it upon themselves to tell people what's acceptable and what not; now it's the other way around: you aren't allowed to believe anymore, at least not where others can see.

Thank god. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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