August 2006 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] kernel-default vs. kernel-smp
by Andreas 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

a couple of days ago there was a discussion about merging the rpm's for kernel-default and kernel-smp. Did that already happen? I don't see kernel-smp in the factory-repository anymore. -- TIA Andreas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
by Stefan Dirsch 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:45:06AM -0300, Druid wrote: > > > >> Now, if only we could somehow have KMPs for ATi and Nvidia available, we > >> needn't worry about Vista at all.. > > > >I can't comment on openSUSE 10.2 (probably nobody can ATM), but for > >openSUSE 10.1 this is already in place - thanks to the common code > >base of SL 10.1/SLE10. > > > Already in place? You mean that using the sle kmp from nvidia repository, Yes. > which was broken when 10.1 got kernel update and sle didnt, Really? Did we release a kernel update for 10.1, which we didn't release for SLE10? Too bad. > [...] (or will 10.1 and sle have kernel updates synced? This was my assumption, yes. > I dont think so, as it seems 10.1 is the testbed of your enterprise > products) is actually a solution? I dont think so. If I cant update the > nvidia kmp anyday I want (including the days when 10.1 get kernel updates > and sle dont), then its not a working solution. > > Is it hard to make kmps for the opensuse releases? Or a financial hog? Or > they dont want to? > > You cant answer for 10.2? I woud expect that the current method was > maintained, It's only maintained for SLE10. Fortunately 10.1/SLE10 use the same code base. So you can use it by accident also for 10.1. > since you form Novell just got an agreement of a method with > nvidia to deliver their drivers. Or shoudl I expect it to change again? Will > it change in every suse release? Maybe I should expect that in 10.2 I would > need to run a command called "small-nvidia-updater -g"? Talk about common > procedures... I don't know either ... Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] sata partition limit
by Felix Miata 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

I just tried to install 10.1 on this SATA system that was originally cloned from PATA when I bought a new system with I915/ICH6 and a faster CPU 17 months ago. Before the clone operation, 9.2 ran from /dev/hda16, Mandriva from /dev/hda7, Knoppix from /dev/hda15, and windoz and OS/2 and data occupied various other partitions. Now the 10.1 installer gives me these error messages: - WARNING: This system has at least one hard disk with a RAID configuration presented by the BIOS as RAID that is in fact software RAID. The following disks were detected as part of such RAID: /dev/sda /dev/sdb - The Linux kernel 2.4 supported some of these systems (like Promise FastTrack and HighPoint RocketRaid), but the Linux kernel 2.6 does not support them at all. If you install onto these disks, your RAID configuration and any data on the RAID will be lost. Refer to http://portal.suse.com to learn how to migrate to a Linux software RAID. - - Your disk /dev/sda contains 46 partitions. The maximum number of partitions that the kernel driver of the disk can handle is 15. Partitions numbered above 15 cannot be accessed. - Your disk /dev/sdb contains 19 partitions. The maximum number of partitions that the kernel driver of the disk can handle is 15. Partitions numbered above 15 cannot be accessed. - At the partitioning step, only those up to 15 were listed, and it offered to delete most (mostly OS/2, which it erroneously calls windoz) partitions. At that point I aborted the install, as I have all attempted Linux installs on this system. Surely people with SATA disks of upwards of 400G cannot be satisfied with SCSI's device (partition) name limit of 14. When is this going to be fixed. When is this problem going to be solved so that I can install where 9.2 was installed, or anywhere else for that matter? When is the kernel going to quit calling SATA SCSI? Wasn't it bad enough for the system to content with real SCSI devices mixed with USB devices without adding SATA into the mix? This SCSI/USB/SATA business is a mess. -- "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] SL-Factory vs. SL-Factory-debug
by Adrian Schröter 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi, on popular request, we separated the debuginfo packages from Factory into a separated repository. We will have SL-OSS-Factory and SL-OSS-Factory-debug directories with the next sync. Users of the opensuse-full or opensuse-full-with-factory modules do not have to change anything. I hope this is fine with everybody. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian(a)suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Postfix 2.3.2 slightly incorrect
by Anders Norrbring 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

I just found a little annoying thing in Postfix 2.3.2 from factory.. There's a missing definition in the SPEC that disables cyrus sasl authentication. I simply added export CCARGS="$CCARGS -DUSE_CYRUS_SASL" to the %build block, and everything worked fine. Oh, 10.2 isn't yet defined in Bugzilla, so I didn't post anything in there about this. -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: new discussion on what kind of patterns we should have
by Per Jessen 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Andreas Jaeger wrote: > I only made a minimal list of patterns - and now want to open a new > discussion on what kind of patterns we should have. > I can add everything I find usefull - but please tell me what you find > usefull ;-) Without having thought a lot about it - the initial selection by patterns/groupings is meant to give the user a system with a set software suitable for the primary purpose(s) of the machine being installed. So what are the typical main roles of an openSUSE system? Desktop | +--- Desktop for/with multimedia +--- Desktop for development +--- Desktop for office/backoffice +--- etcetera | Laptop +--- (not sure how to divide this) | Server | +--- Fileserver +--- Internetserver (DNS, web etc.) +--- Database +--- Directory +--- Firewall, network server +--- etcetera | [other roles?] This is only a proposal - I really just wrote it up in five minutes. Maybe it's entirely in appropriate. Maybe the selection is 1-2-3 step: Primary qualifier, secondary qualifier, plus add-ons (things you might want to do regardless of which type of system): "Experienced User", "Kernel development", .... Primary and secondary qualifier could fit into one page/window in a tree-style display as the above, and going to the 2nd window for add-ons could be made optional, such that new-bies or non-techies would have a fast-path, whereas techies and/or experienced users would still have the option of a detailed selection etc. /Per Jessen, Zürich

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Adding SBIG CCD camera support to SUSE?
by Dominique Leuenberger 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

>>>> Matthias Koenig <mkoenig(a)suse.de> 08/28/06 1:38 PM >>> >Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.de> writes: > >> Jasem Mutlaq <mutlaqja(a)ikarustech.com> writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Sorry if this is not the appropiate list to discuss >>> this issue. >>> >>> Santa Barbara SBIG CCD camera is one of the most >>> popular cameras used in astronomy. In order to >>> operate, the CCD requires a firmware to be uploaded >>> upon detection on the USB port. Otherwise, you can't >>> establish any further communications at all. >> >> What is the license of this firmware? Is it possible to re-distribute >> it? If this is not the case, then we cannot include it, > >Unfortunately the Linux Developer Kit from SBIG does not contain >any hint about the license of the firmware. Though the included >example code is mentioned to be "free". >Note, that the camera needs a USB driver, which is provided by SBIG >as a binary only non-kernel driver also without any license. I think the best thing in this case is to get in touch with the vendor and ask for an explicit permission to redistribute the drivers / and firmware within our openSUSE bundle. For sure there IS any sort of license bound to their source code. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Announcing Yast-GTK (forw)
by Joerg Mayer 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

... because the reply-to on a discussion list is not pointing to the list.... ----- Forwarded message from Joerg Mayer <jmayer(a)loplof.de> ----- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:58:47 +0200 From: Joerg Mayer <jmayer(a)loplof.de> To: Marcel Hilzinger <mhilzinger(a)linuxnewmedia.de> Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Announcing Yast-GTK In-Reply-To: <200608231123.02818.mhilzinger(a)linuxnewmedia.de> On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 11:23:00AM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: > > Just out of interest, what is the advantage of re-implementing yast by > > linking it with libgtk instead of libqt? Wouldn't the time have been > > better spent improving yast itself? > > What's the advantage of having a qt and a gtk frontend for networkmanager? And > having a qt and a gtk desktop at all? > > Give KDE users qt and Gnome users gkt ! And while you are at it: Can the next SoC project please remove the gnome dependencies from zen (and other system services) and offer qt/kde alternatives for those who only want to run a kde desktop? ciao Joerg -- Joerg Mayer <jmayer(a)loplof.de> We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works. Some say that should read Microsoft instead of technology. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Joerg Mayer <jmayer(a)loplof.de> We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works. Some say that should read Microsoft instead of technology. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] distribution meeting - introduction and agenda
by Andreas Jaeger 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

We have an internal meeting every few weeks called "dist meeting" that discusses major technical changes in our distribution. Since it's not possible for most of you to attend it, I'd like to try an experiment and share the agenda before the meeting - and the meeting minutes afterwards with you. I'm asking for your feedback on the agenda and any comments that you have and will bring those comments into the meeting and raise the points you've made. Will this work? The planned topics for tomorrow's meeting are: * D-Bus 0.91 and PolicyKit/resmgr We just switched to D-Bus 0.91 and the question arises whether to continue to use resmgr or switch to PolicyKit. * Move to GNOME 2.16 The packagers have started already with the first packages, we want to discuss the timeframe for the move and the move of GNOME to /usr (from /opt/gnome). * SuSEconfig removal SuSEconfig is currently run after each package installation by YaST and is a huge bottleneck. Some scripts have already been removed and we have to discuss how to move on. * update messages general/conditional (e.g. bind) During update of packages they could notify users about changes via email and/or the SuSEplugger (until 10.0, this is not anymore in 10.1). Most of these are outdated and not really usefull anymore and should be removed. The question is how to handle situations like bind where config files get rewritten and the user should be informed if this fails. * Dropping UP Kernel on i386/x86-64 The proposal by the kernel team is to use only SMP kernels and no UP kernel. It's already this way on Xen - there is no Xen UP kernel. Advantages: One less kernel rpm. On 64bit there will be only two kernel rpms then, kernel-default and kernel-xen; and with some luck if paravirt ops works out as designed we can then later drop kernel-xen too and only ship a single 64bit kernel. 32bit could go down to two. Less QA. Less space on ftp servers. Less build time. Avoids a lot of problems with install kernel being different from final kernel. The i386 UP kernel e.g. doesn't support advanced APIC modes, which broke i386 installation of SLES10 on some systems. We've had quite a lot of bugs in this area over the years. Disadvantages: Will be slightly slower and bigger on UP systems. Most of the performance difference is fixed up by kraxel's LOCK prefix runtime patch. Memory usage will be up a bit on UP systems We would lose a few drivers which are BROKEN_ON_SMP. Usually these are long unmaintained drivers which are broken for other reasons anyways so it's not a big loss. Also we never had them in the SMP kernel and most modern systems run SMP kernels. There might be other bugs caused by this, but Fedora has done this before us and they didn't seem to have regretted it so far. * Linker Options and Optimizations We plan to use the recently developed linker optimizations for the GNU hashstyle and use the readonly relocations: LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=both" (http://lwn.net/Articles/192082/ ) LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z relro" (see http://people.redhat.com/drepper/nonselsec.pdf) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a)suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SL-Factory vs. SL-Factory-debug
by Peter Czanik 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

Hello, Adrian Schröter írta: > on popular request, we separated the debuginfo packages from Factory into a > separated repository. > Thanks, this was a very good idea. Finally I don't need to use --exclude in rsync in my mirror scripts, and I hope, it will significantly decrease the RAM and CPU requirements of package parsing. Just a rough estimate: one third less package data to parse by YaST / libzypp. Once the installer is working again, I'll check out, if I can install factory again with 256MB of RAM without turning on swap from the command line :-) Related question: do you know anything about when fixes introduced here: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=201164 will hit the factory repository? Installer files are still from 18th August, and thus severely broken... Bye, CzP --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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