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[opensuse-wiki] 11.2 Step-by-step installation guide
by DenverD 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

i wonder why it is not (yet) possible to have the live website's path lead to the 11.2 install guide, instead of: http://opensuse.org/ > http://www.opensuse.org/en/ > click "get it" > http://software.opensuse.org/112/en > click "Step-by-step installation guide" > which lands on Installation/11.*1* DVD Install does anyone know if a full set of 11.2 screen shots are available, and/or if they can just be "dropped" into the current slots and the words surrounding still sing true? or, maybe just the link from http://software.opensuse.org/112/en needs to be changed to point to an existing 11.2 install guide ??? [i don't know who has edit rights on that page, but it is sure not me.] DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind
by Rupert Horstkötter 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Date: 2009/11/17 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind To: Remy Marquis <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com> Remy, 2009/11/17 Remy Marquis <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Well i listed maximum number of templates which needs review(few are >>>> still left) by Rajko and other senior members of openSUSE Wiki .As Rajko >>>> is busy now a days with experimenting and other stuffs.So it would take >>>> a bit time , but will be completed soon :) . And now Remi (Spyhawk) is >>>> actively taking care of the templates at the same time .! >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks for the update. I talked to Spyhawk by myself on IRC and I'm >>> really looking forward to the results. Is there an approx. ETA? May >>> you please notify the team when finished with this effort? >>> >> Well i am not sure about an approx ETA (most probably a week or so, >> though not sure).As it is constant process .And requires very much of >> reviewing work and all similar stuffs.So it would take time. But will >> surely notify when its done (any one of the concerned one can do this) :) > > Hi, > > About the Flaggrev : It seems to be the way to go :) > I'm on my way reviewing what Rajko provided, but it seems it actually is, yes. Will provide more feedback later. > About the Templates : It a total mess :) > With Rajko and Shayon, we had a look at the 200+ different templates > available, cleaned bunch of articles and marked dozen of useless or > duplicate templates for deletion. There is more work to come, but at > the present state, the following wiki pages > > - [[Template]] regroups the templates that are really useful and that > shouldn't be deleted > - [[Daily_templates]] regroups the main tags that will be used for > article review/writing style policy and (more to come here) > This looks very good and exactly what I thought of actually. Thanks for the efforts so far. I'm looking forward for the rest of it - good progress! > I believe it is impossible to entirely clean the actual wiki on a > short term (as this implies to rewrite/change tags on hundreds of > pages), but we can start the new wiki with the already "checked" > templates. We will need to rewrite some pages to assure a consistent > visual style, but hopefully we won't need to change the irrelevant > pages that won't be transferred in the new wiki anyway. Also, if a > template reveals itself to be essential when we proofread the new > wiki, we can add it on the "checked template" list. > That's perfectly fine and desired that way. We'll assure a consistent visual style for transferred articles and start the new wiki with "checked" templates. No worries about "irrelevant pages": we'll go for Henne's 3rd option "3. Start the layout/strucute from scratch on a new wiki instance and copy only the content we want." when creating the new wiki instance and transfer only the content we actually want. > To summarize, it's difficult to clean the actual wiki, but we'll be > able to start the new wiki with selected template in a few days at the > latest. We still need to work a bit on the visual appearance of some > templates thus. > Thanks again for all the man-power that goes into this effort - it's much appreciated and very valuable work. Best, R > Regards, > > R. > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind
by Jon Rocker 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

On a short term, anything of this magnitude is impossible. We need to come up with a plan in smaller bites (no pun intended). Cleaning and maintaining the wiki is one thing that should be continually done. Not something that is done once in a while. To that end, I think that if each respective team kept/maintained and organized their part of the wiki, so that it is in line with the overall wiki, then we can accomplish much more, in less time. Think of it organizationally. No large company tries to use one manager to run everything. It's to big. But instead they have managers that report to their bosses, and so on and so forth. Coming from a call center experience, I am more familiar with that organization. So you have the people taking calls (those writing the wiki articles), then you have their supervisors, and then the supervisors have their managers. The managers have the project manager. The project manager reports to the call center director. I don't know anyones position here, so I can't go and complete that analogy. I do hope you understand it though. If we work it something like that, we will be able to accomplish so much more. Respectfully Jon Rocker Sent from Sun City, AZ, United States On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 23:55, Jon Rocker <linux.learner(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a short term, anything of this magnitude is impossible. We need to > come up with a plan in smaller bites (no pun intended). Cleaning and > maintaining the wiki is one thing that should be continually done. Not > something that is done once in a while. > > To that end, I think that if each respective team kept/maintained and > organized their part of the wiki, so that it is in line with the > overall wiki, then we can accomplish much more, in less time. Think of > it organizationally. No large company tries to use one manager to run > everything. It's to big. But instead they have managers that report to > their bosses, and so on and so forth. > > Coming from a call center experience, I am more familiar with that > organization. So you have the people taking calls (those writing the > wiki articles), then you have their supervisors, and then the > supervisors have their managers. The managers have the project > manager. The project manager reports to the call center director. > > I don't know anyones position here, so I can't go and complete that > analogy. I do hope you understand it though. If we work it something > like that, we will be able to accomplish so much more. > > Respectfully > Jon Rocker > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 23:23, Shayon <hkwarlock(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Remy Marquis <remy.marquis(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>> Well i am not sure about an approx ETA (most probably a week or so, >>>> though not sure).As it is constant process .And requires very much of >>>> reviewing work and all similar stuffs.So it would take time. But will >>>> surely notify when its done (any one of the concerned one can do this) :) >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> About the Flaggrev : It seems to be the way to go :) >>> >>> About the Templates : It a total mess :) >>> With Rajko and Shayon, we had a look at the 200+ different templates >>> available, cleaned bunch of articles and marked dozen of useless or >>> duplicate templates for deletion. There is more work to come, but at >>> the present state, the following wiki pages >>> >>> - [[Template]] regroups the templates that are really useful and that >>> shouldn't be deleted >>> - [[Daily_templates]] regroups the main tags that will be used for >>> article review/writing style policy and (more to come here) >>> >> Also [[Template messages to review]] -this contains the templates which >> needs the review by the senior wiki team members, so as to how to deal with >> them >> >>> I believe it is impossible to entirely clean the actual wiki on a >>> short term (as this implies to rewrite/change tags on hundreds of >>> pages), but we can start the new wiki with the already "checked" >>> templates. We will need to rewrite some pages to assure a consistent >>> visual style, but hopefully we won't need to change the irrelevant >>> pages that won't be transferred in the new wiki anyway. Also, if a >>> template reveals itself to be essential when we proofread the new >>> wiki, we can add it on the "checked template" list. >>> >>> To summarize, it's difficult to clean the actual wiki, but we'll be >>> able to start the new wiki with selected template in a few days at the >>> latest. We still need to work a bit on the visual appearance of some >>> templates thus. >>> >> I am on the same page here Remu :) >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> R. >> >> Best, >> Shayon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org >> >> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Re: [opensuse-project] Naming: openSUSE Medical Team
by Shayon Mukherjee 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote: > Am Sonntag 15 November 2009 22:43:19 wrote Rajko M.: > >> On Sunday 15 November 2009 10:10:14 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote: >> ... >> >> >>> But if it's not so good, then we can recreate our name >>> >> The term "openSUSE Medical" is OK, my note was just about "openSUSE >> Medical Team" and its connotation on this side. Call it "Team >> openSUSE Medical", or call team "openSUSE Medical Software Team", >> > Then i propose, that we change our Team Name to: Tem openSUSE Medical. > What do you thinking, Shayon? > > Hello , Well i very much agree with Rajko and you (Sascha) on the topic - "Team openSUSE Medical" , as "openSUSE Medical Software Team " is a bit lengthy for a topic to be considered . And i feel it should finalized at the earliest :) .So as to carry one through rest of the process . Best, Shayon -- openSUSE Wiki Team Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com Twitter: wwarl0ck -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Hardware site - Link
by Andreas Ernst 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

Hi, the link - http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html - at this site http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/RAID_Controllers shows now to a domain parking site. Maybe this link should be removed from this site. Regards Andreas -- Andreas Ernst - IT Spektrum Postfach 5, 65612 Beselich Schupbacher Str. 32, 65614 Beselich, Germany Tel: +49-6484-91002 Fax: +49-6484-91003 ae(a)ae-online.de www.ae-online.de www.tachyon-online.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki translations
by Rajko M. 15 Nov '09

15 Nov '09

Today I started to mark RO translations for deletion as they are mostly out of date, but then reverted all that. They should go and they should stay, depends what criteria one uses. There is not way that we can have many translations without large teams covering many articles, so what to do with people that want to translate only download and installation articles, to make some friends going with openSUSE, or some article that talks about some setup problem/solution, that is targeted to very small group of users? IMHO, we should allow them. It will help spreading the word about openSUSE, without need to grow old trying to decipher internals of our wiki design. It is simple for insiders, but when one has to translate something it is steep learning first, then if you have time left you can translate too. One namespace for that, call it translations, one article in Main that will index all other in translation namespace. Title as it is now: <lang code>-English Title First section translated title [[Category:<lang code>]] or similar -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: [opensuse-wiki] Moving forward towards a better wiki
by Rupert Horstkötter 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jon Rocker <linux.learner(a)gmail.com> Date: 2009/11/13 Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] Moving forward towards a better wiki To: Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org> Is there a way to have pages flagged when they haven't been updated for X amount of time? To see if they need updating, or they are no longer relevant. This would help is keeping the wiki up to date. Just my 2 cents 2009/11/13 Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org>: > Petr, > > 2009/11/12 Petr Uzel <petr.uzel(a)suse.cz>: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 04:11:18PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: >>> Hey, >>> >>> how about we move forward now? I'm seeing 3 options we have: >>> >>> 1. Create the new layout/structure and move (nearly) all current pages >>> in the wiki around. >>> 2. Copy all current pages into a the new-wiki namespace, work on the new >>> layout/structure in the namespace and move pages back. >>> 3. Start the layout/strucute from scratch on a new wiki instance and >>> copy only the content we want. >>> >>> Each of the methods has its pros and cons. I am very much in favor of 3. >>> I think we would end up with a pretty mean 'n' clean setup which we can >>> drive forward from then on. Your opinion? Rajko? Rupert? Federico? Petr? >>> Lubos? Shayon? Everyone else? >> >> I'm also for the third option as it forces us to consider what to do >> with every page of the current wiki. >> >> Before moving any stuff from old wiki to new wiki, we should have a >> very precise plan what should be moved where, what should be >> discarded, merged, whatever. This requires existence of some >> 'transition' guidelines with which we all agree and which will be >> strictly followed while moving stuff from old to new wiki. >> > I'm completely on the same page here. If we do this without following > "Transition Guidelines", we'll just produce a new mess out of an old > one and this is not desirable. Talking about "Transition Guidelines", > we should also consider our to be created "Wiki Guidelines" - > unfortunately it's rather difficult to come up with these until other > construction yards are still un-finished (especially the QA - Rajko is > working on this and the sorting/creation of templates). I myself would > very much appreciate if we could agree on a consistent design of Wiki > articles - who's in charge of this? Shayon and John? All Petr > mentioned is perfectly appropriate but in addition to that (while > checking http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages or something > similar), shouldn't we also take care to get rid of the in-consistent > design? I'm sorry to mention again my very personal favourite wiki > ubuntuusers.de but from my perspective they just do it right and > therefore I took the time to collect some article examples (translated > to english) to show what I mean with a consistent look&feel: > http://tinyurl.com/yjz8fql http://tinyurl.com/yk2lugz > http://tinyurl.com/yz7suh7 http://tinyurl.com/yjw7sba > > From my perspective, a consistent design of content is an important > aspect to provide usability to the reader. What do you think to take > of this within the Transtition Guidelines (within the Wiki Guidelines > anyway)? > >> Perhaps this could be achieved by organizing something similar (or >> just finishing) to http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages. >> This way we could >> - minimize time for which main opensuse wiki is r/o >> - check every page whether it complies with the wiki standards > > See above: Design and general Wiki Guidelines. > >> - properly categorize each page >> >> Generally, this way we could check the wiki from perspective of >> individual pages and later, by moving, reorganize it as a whole. >> > I'm completely on the same page here Petr. > > Thanks, > R > >> >> -- >> Best regards / s pozdravem >> >> Petr Uzel, openSUSE Boosters Team >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: puzel(a)suse.cz >> Lihovarská 1060/12 http://www.suse.cz >> 190 00 Prague 9, CR >> > > > > -- > Rupert Horstkötter > openSUSE Community Assistant > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter > Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org > Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] RFC: Content Structure
by Henne Vogelsang 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

Hi, i clicked (nearly) through the (complete) wiki today, and i think we can reduce the clutter to 3 big topics and sort everything into those. - Distro (Namespace=main,Portal=Portal:$VERSION,Project=Distro) - Project (Namespace=Project,Portal=Portal:Project,Project=Project) - Meta (Wiki) (Namespace=Meta,Portal=Portal:Wiki,Project=Wiki) So something like this structure: Main -> Portal:11.2 -> /Features -> /Screenshots -> /Screenshots/KDE -> /Screenshots/UserDesktops -> /Press -> /SDB -> SDB:ASUS_WL-160N_USB_Wireless_Adapter -> keep older versions in $VERSION namespace e.g. 11.1:Features and 1.11:Screenshots/GNOME -> Portal:Project -> Project:Guiding Principles -> Project:Teams -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team/Tasks -> Project:Teams/GNOME -> Project:Teams/GNOME/Submitting_Bugs -> Project:Communication -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists/Etiquette -> Project:Communication/Forums -> Project:Communication/IRC -> Project:Communication/Meetings -> Project:Communication/Meetings/Archive -> Project:Tools -> Project:Tools/Build Service -> Project:Tools/Build_Service/Concepts -> Portal:Wiki -> Meta::Structure -> Meta:Structure/Templates -> Meta:Structure/Namespaces -> Meta:Styleguide This way we would, like Rajko proposes, keep the main namespace clean. Can limit search to the main and the Portal namespace. Won't get another 6 gazillion namespaces. And have a structure we can expand in an orderly fashion by forcing new topics to start with a portal and in their own namespace. What do you think? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Moving forward towards a better wiki
by Henne Vogelsang 13 Nov '09

13 Nov '09

Hey, how about we move forward now? I'm seeing 3 options we have: 1. Create the new layout/structure and move (nearly) all current pages in the wiki around. 2. Copy all current pages into a the new-wiki namespace, work on the new layout/structure in the namespace and move pages back. 3. Start the layout/strucute from scratch on a new wiki instance and copy only the content we want. Each of the methods has its pros and cons. I am very much in favor of 3. I think we would end up with a pretty mean 'n' clean setup which we can drive forward from then on. Your opinion? Rajko? Rupert? Federico? Petr? Lubos? Shayon? Everyone else? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Problem with wiki
by Kálmán Kéménczy 13 Nov '09

13 Nov '09

Hi there, Few pictures are missing on my wiki page, however I could see them when I click on the missing image placeholder. http://hu.opensuse.org/11.2/ What should I do? thanks in advance kalman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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